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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

JB said:
One year wonder was offered a very nice contract. He wanted to go home. Can you please move on to today?
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Could have franchised him?

I think so, this is a part of how the Texans have to change the way they go about doing business if they care about winning.

The only thing the Texans have won at is making bank, this off-season unfortunately looks like that not much has changed other than the Henderson Signing this off-season looks a lot like every other offseason.

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steelbtexan said:
Could have franchised him?

I think so, this is a part of how the Texans have to change the way they go about doing business if they care about winning.

The only thing the Texans have won at is making bank, this off-season unfortunately looks like that not much has changed other than the Henderson Signing this off-season looks a lot like every other offseason.
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They could have... they (and most here, even you I think) didn't think it necessary or feasible.

You do love your hindsight.
 
steelbtexan said:
Could have franchised him?

I think so, this is a part of how the Texans have to change the way they go about doing business if they care about winning.
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And it would have made squat difference to last season and he'd still be gone now. Give it a rest. The incessessent hammering is as annoying as the Kaep discussion.
 
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JB said:
They could have... they (and most here, even you I think) didn't think it necessary or feasible.

You do love your hindsight.
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Yep, I wanted them to invest Bouye 's money in the OL.

Water under the bridge, tell me, does it seem like the Texans are doing business any differently under Gaine this year? Not so much IMHO but they can still win with better drafting and solid FA pick ups.

Problem is the Jags are doing things the way I would since Coughlin took over. #Norwell
 
Franchise him as a LB I’m sure he would be unhappy, franchise him as Defensive End (arguably natural 4-3 end) he might be ok with it, but as Texan history shows a long term contract is in the works, just do it now before you blow some more stupid money. Not really impressed with any of these signings except Colvin.
 
infantrycak said:
And there's the rub. Doing things your way is not the only way to try to win.
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True #15 years let's try something different.

You make this post every off-season. You need more material.

With the Matheu signing maybe you are right and the Texans are changing The way they do business. We can only hope.
 
The best thing with Clowney would be to sit him down and say 'we got 5th year and then we can franchise you for 2 more. We have length of contract concerns. Let's work out a 4 year
steelbtexan said:
True #15 years let's try something different.

You make this post every off-season. You need more material.

With the Matheu signing maybe you are right and the Texans are changing The way they do business. We can only hope.
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You can't seem to grasp this. I don't disagree with much of what you'd like for the team. I disagree with your saying because they don't follow your plan they don't want to win. It's the attacking them as people I disagree with.

I've known tons of people, hell it is a routine problem, who had bad ideas about how to win. But I didn't doubt they wanted to. Riding shepherd on your own client is half the work or more. But they want to win.

Learn to put your ideas out there without slamming the people making the decisions. Just a thought.
 
infantrycak said:
The best thing with Clowney would be to sit him down and say 'we got 5th year and then we can franchise you for 2 more. We have length of contract concerns. Let's work out a 4 year
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I actually like the idea of playing out the 5th and then franchise him one or two years. With his injury History we would have an out every year plus it would be cheaper. We might piss him off a bit though and he probably wouldn't sign with us after those 7 years. Still I would prefer that to a hefty 4 or 5 year contract...
 
LikeMike said:
I actually like the idea of playing out the 5th and then franchise him one or two years. With his injury History we would have an out every year plus it would be cheaper. We might piss him off a bit though and he probably wouldn't sign with us after those 7 years. Still I would prefer that to a hefty 4 or 5 year contract...
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I'd be ok with trading him if we could get a 1st or high second for him
 
infantrycak said:
The best thing with Clowney would be to sit him down and say 'we got 5th year and then we can franchise you for 2 more. We have length of contract concerns. Let's work out a 4 year


You can't seem to grasp this. I don't disagree with much of what you'd like for the team. I disagree with your saying because they don't follow your plan they don't want to win. It's the attacking them as people I disagree with.

I've known tons of people, hell it is a routine problem, who had bad ideas about how to win. But I didn't doubt they wanted to. Riding shepherd on your own client is half the work or more. But they want to win.

Learn to put your ideas out there without slamming the people making the decisions. Just a thought.
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What you consider slamming people I consider it telling it like it is rather than sugar coating/koolaid drinking. If you dont care for my style dont respond. If you have an issue with me saying the people in charge dont really want to win or atleast care more about making $$$$ than winning after 15 yrs of proof. Then I dont know what to tell you.

Fact is, as BL said the only thing that the McNair's have been great at is making $$$$. That's by design and I dont hold that against them. But dont try to sell me that they're doing everything they can to win. They aren't and haven't, if me calling them out makes me a bad person in your eyes or you dont like my style I would suggest you put me on ignore.

I'm not changing, if the Texans change the way they go about acquiring players and it looks like they are slowly changing with the additions of Mathieu/Henderson then maybe things are changing down on Kirby and we've got a GM that knows what he's doing. It appears that the Texans are bargin bin shopping at the dollar store while the Jags are shopping at Nordstrom's if that makes you feel uncomfortable so be it.

BTW, it's not my way when it comes to winning, it's the way we've seen other teams operate that win. It's bigger than selecting a certain player. it's a philosophy and it works. See Coughlin and the Jags as an example.
 
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steelbtexan said:
I'm not changing, if the Texans change the way they go about acquiring players and it looks like they are slowly changing with the additions of Mathieu/Henderson then maybe things are changing down on Kirby and we've got a GM that knows what he's doing. It appears that the Texans are bargin bin shopping at the dollar store while the Jags are shopping at Nordstrom's if that makes you feel uncomfortable so be it.

BTW, it's not my way when it comes to winning, it's the way we've seen other teams operate that win. It's bigger than selecting a certain player. it's a philosophy and it works. See Coughlin and the Jags as an example.
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Specifically which players don't you think the Texans went after aggressively enough in this free agency ? Surely you acknowledge they had no chance at Solder because of his
desire for family reasons to remain in the northeast ?
 
IDEXAN said:
Specifically which players don't you think the Texans went after aggressively enough in this free agency ? Surely you acknowledge they had no chance at Solder because of his
desire for family reasons to remain in the northeast ?
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Norwell
 
steelbtexan said:
Norwell
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I guess I'm stuck in the middle on this. I'd love to see solder and Norwell here but both guys got salaries beyond their talent level.

I don't want us blowing our cap wad on a guard. Maybe a quality LT , but not a guard.

If the jags run game kills us for 150 plus twice this year tell me I'm wrong. I'll own it.
 
powda said:
I guess I'm stuck in the middle on this. I'd love to see solder and Norwell here but both guys got salaries beyond their talent level.

I don't want us blowing our cap wad on a guard. Maybe a quality LT , but not a guard.

If the jags run game kills us for 150 plus twice this year tell me I'm wrong. I'll own it.
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The Jags are going to be really good next yr with Fournette running behind Robinson/Norwell if they stay healthy.
 
powda said:
Yup. Great defense and what could be a devastating run game. Signing suh could counteract that. I don't know that he's a "McNair kinda guy" though.
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If they want a truly dominant defense they should sign Suh.

Several dominate players on all levels of the defense.
 
The problem with Such, other than cheap shot play, is that I have heard he is a locker room cancer. I doubt we would go that root.
 
steelbtexan said:
If they want a truly dominant defense they should sign Suh.

Several dominate players on all levels of the defense.
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Our front is as much a 5/2 or a 4/3 as it is a 3/4. Deffinetly a place for him here.

Watt, Clowney, Mercy. Add Suh. Tell me we can't sale that. Our front 7 would be havoc.
 
edo783 said:
The problem with Such, other than cheap shot play, is that I have heard he is a locker room cancer. I doubt we would go that root.
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I'd like to think that the Texans have a few defensive stars that could help lure Suh over from the dark-side, including RC.
 
steelbtexan said:
Norwell
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So you wanted to pay a guard almost 10% of your teams entire cap. We have to many holes to blow a huge was on 1 player. While our roster doesn't lack star players, it severely lacks depth. it will take more than 1 off-season and a couple big name signings to fix it. you want throw the jags out there as an example? they have been big spenders for awhile in FA and it didn't work, they had what almost a decade of picking in the top 10 year in and year out? But yes let's act like they are so high and mighty.
 
Shishkabob said:
So you wanted to pay a guard almost 10% of your teams entire cap. We have to many holes to blow a huge was on 1 player. While our roster doesn't lack star players, it severely lacks depth. it will take more than 1 off-season and a couple big name signings to fix it. you want throw the jags out there as an example? they have been big spenders for awhile in FA and it didn't work, they had what almost a decade of picking in the top 10 year in and year out? But yes let's act like they are so high and mighty.
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They have, had the money to get the best and chose not too. An all pro OG.

As far as the Jags go you're right except things have changed in the way they have started going about their business since Coughlin is in charge. Not a coincidence they've started winning.
 
steelbtexan said:
They have, had the money to get the best and chose not too. An all pro OG.

As far as the Jags go you're right except things have changed in the way they have started going about their business since Coughlin is in charge. Not a coincidence they've started winning.
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what changed all so much last season? they still went after multiple high price free agents which they did before, and they picked in the top 10 again. they hit on high ptixd free agents for once, and already had and added to a ton of yoiubf talent they acquired from constantly picking high. they have a guy who can coach now, and someone to make sure he doesn't mess up.
 
Shishkabob said:
So you wanted to pay a guard almost 10% of your teams entire cap. We have to many holes to blow a huge was on 1 player. While our roster doesn't lack star players, it severely lacks depth. it will take more than 1 off-season and a couple big name signings to fix it. you want throw the jags out there as an example? they have been big spenders for awhile in FA and it didn't work, they had what almost a decade of picking in the top 10 year in and year out? But yes let's act like they are so high and mighty.
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I can't entirely disagree with this but I will point out 1 huge factor. We have a qb on a rookie contract. Now is our window. 4 years from now the cap will be taxed by Watson. Until then we should make hay. It's an advantage we should and can exploit over the next couple of years.
 
steelbtexan said:
Norwell
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One guy, just one guy you are frustrated about because the Texans didn't make a hard enough move on him, Ok nobodys perfect including Gain & Co.
OK maybe the Texans don't think Norwell is quite as good as the market and you say he is, and I'm a big market guy, believe in them when it comes to setting the price for NFL players in free agency or stocks and bonds in the financial world, but every once in awhile the price mechanism can overestimate or underestimate the value of a given product.
So I guess Gain & Co thought Norvell was too pricey given the alternatives they had available in the guys they signed. There were no such alternaties for Solder so they were willing to pay the price for Solder according to the info we have, but failed to land him for non financial reasons that were beyond their control.
 
IDEXAN said:
One guy, just one guy you are frustrated about because the Texans didn't make a hard enough move on him, Ok nobodys perfect including Gain & Co.
OK maybe the Texans don't think Norwell is quite as good as the market and you say he is, and I'm a big market guy, believe in them when it comes to setting the price for NFL players in free agency or stocks and bonds in the financial world, but every once in awhile the price mechanism can overestimate or underestimate the value of a given product.
So I guess Gain & Co thought Norvell was too pricey given the alternatives they had available in the guys they signed. There were no such alternaties for Solder so they were willing to pay the price for Solder according to the info we have, but failed to land him for non financial reasons that were beyond their control.
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Do the texans have enough faith in their scouting to overcome not signing norwell? Probably they do.

As cak so astutely said elsewhere, "Not every girl wants to dance with you."
 
Shishkabob said:
what changed all so much last season? they still went after multiple high price free agents which they did before, and they picked in the top 10 again. they hit on high ptixd free agents for once, and already had and added to a ton of yoiubf talent they acquired from constantly picking high. they have a guy who can coach now, and someone to make sure he doesn't mess up.
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You answered your own question.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yep, I wanted them to invest Bouye 's money in the OL.

Water under the bridge, tell me, does it seem like the Texans are doing business any differently under Gaine this year? Not so much IMHO but they can still win with better drafting and solid FA pick ups.

Problem is the Jags are doing things the way I would since Coughlin took over. #Norwell
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Coughlin has only been back in Jacksonville ONE season. The Jags were making smart moves before he got back there.
 
ObsiWan said:
Coughlin has only been back in Jacksonville ONE season. The Jags were making smart moves before he got back there.
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And even smarter moves once he got there. Signing Campbell/Bouye/Gibson.

Drafting Fournette/Robinson/ finding that little FA WR etc....
 
steelbtexan said:
Regardless of draft position, I will take Fournette.

That guy is a stud.
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Don't you see @ #4 overall you take one of those young franchise QBs like Mahomes or Watson, or atleast the young stud shut corner Marshone Lattimore out of the Ohio state U and get a back like Kamara in a later round because there's good backs throuhout the whole Draft.
What the Jags did in last years Draft that was highly commendable is get a solid OT in the second round, very sound value pick.
 
IDEXAN said:
Don't you see @ #4 overall you take one of those young franchise QBs like Mahomes or Watson, or atleast the young stud shut corner Marshone Lattimore out of the Ohio state U and get a back like Kamara in a later round because there's good backs throuhout the whole Draft.
What the Jags did in last years Draft that was highly commendable is get a solid OT in the second round, very sound value pick.
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I agree with this philosophy. But people were making it out like Fournette wasn't worth the pick. He's a stud. Fornette over QB could have had something to do with Bortles contract situation. IDK.

This philosophy rinds me of Ricky's philosophy of picking a LB, an easier position to find a guy later in the draft vs the OL.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with this philosophy. But people were making it out like Fournette wasn't worth the pick. He's a stud. Fornette over QB could have had something to do with Bortles contract situation. IDK.

This philosophy rinds me of Ricky's philosophy of picking a LB, an easier position to find a guy later in the draft vs the OL.
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He's definitely a load when he's healthy. The problem is the jags offense is set up to run him 25-30 times a game & i'm not sure his body will be able to handle that; for very long at least. We know what happens to RB's at 300 touches. He only had 268 last year & he still missed 3 games. So given his running style and his injury history dating back to college and how the Jags plan to deploy him, it's not hard to envision him being broken down or damaged goods by the end of his rookie deal & for a #3 overall pick, that ain't what you want.
 
Mr teX said:
He's definitely a load when he's healthy. The problem is the jags offense is set up to run him 25-30 times a game & i'm not sure his body will be able to handle that; for very long at least. We know what happens to RB's at 300 touches. He only had 268 last year & he still missed 3 games. So given his running style and his injury history dating back to college and how the Jags plan to deploy him, it's not hard to envision him being broken down or damaged goods by the end of his rookie deal & for a #3 overall pick, that ain't what you want.
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It’s not ideal but Fournette is a throwback RB and the Jags are turning back the clock to the way football games used to be won. Smashmouth running game and dominant defense. Bullying other teams. They are going to be in cap hell next season and have had a terrible track record picking top 10 before that. So they went with the sure thing and it works perfectly for the type of team they are. You can do much worse than getting Fournette and running him until the wheels fall off. See: All the Jags 1st round draft picks last 10 years excluding Ramsey.
 
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