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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Texian said:
same as it was before he got to Houston. Clowney has done nothing to address, counter or prove different his 3 sacks and Spurrier's comments.
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So you've followed his pro career & your assessment is "lazy"?
 
thunderkyss said:
So you've followed his pro career & your assessment is "lazy"?
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Yes, I take Spurrier at his word. You don't flip a switch and being lazy goes away. To me, Clowney has not demonstrated any change in his behavior from his days at South Carolina. I'm not sure any player has milked one tackle, 3 sacks and jumping over bean bags and picking up a tennis ball as well as Clowney has.
 
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Texian said:
Yes, I take Spurrier at his word. You don't flip a switch and being lazy goes away. To me, Clowney has not demonstrated any change in his behavior from his days at South Carolina. I'm not sure any player has milked one tackle, 3 sacks and jumping over bean bags and picking up a tennis ball as well as Clowney has.
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Must have been the 21 other sacks he had at SC .
 
Spurrier is a fine example of "work ethic". The reason he got run out of the NFL was because he didn't have the work ethic it took to coach at the highest level. Yeah, I guess he ought to know what lazy looks like.
 
ObsiWan said:
Spurrier is a fine example of "work ethic". The reason he got run out of the NFL was because he didn't have the work ethic it took to coach at the highest level. Yeah, I guess he ought to know what lazy looks like.
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Interesting take on that. I always thought it was because of his college "rah rah" style, that didn't translate well with veterans. That and I never thought he had the football smarts to deal with playing every week against top tier competition. I see him as a better recruiter than coach.
 
ObsiWan said:
Spurrier is a fine example of "work ethic". The reason he got run out of the NFL was because he didn't have the work ethic it took to coach at the highest level. Yeah, I guess he ought to know what lazy looks like.
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Stop being silly, the man is 70 years old, has won the Heisman, been involved with football for over 60 years and has won wherever he has coached. He has seen enough football players come and go that he knows lazy football players. If Clowney's work ethic had been just average and what was expected Spurrier would've never brought up Clowney's lack there of. If your term paper was based on Spurrier getting fired by Daniel Snyder because Spurrier was lazy, you get an F. Would you like a do over? a makeup test/term paper?
 
Texian said:
Stop being silly, the man is 70 years old, has won the Heisman, been involved with football for over 60 years and has won wherever he has coached. He has seen enough football players come and go that he knows lazy football players. If Clowney's work ethic had been just average and what was expected Spurrier would've never brought up Clowney's lack there of. If your term paper was based on Spurrier getting fired by Daniel Snyder because Spurrier was lazy, you get an F. Would you like a do over? a makeup test/term paper?
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Wasn't a problem when he was lighting up teams, as soon as he went on cruise control his last season due to not wanting to get injured, it became an issue. I don't agree with how Clowney played his last year, but I at least understand his reasoning. Watching your friend get his knee tore up twice is devastating on the mind, considering millions of dollars was on the line for him. If he didn't dispel the notion this off-season that he was "lazy" then you weren't paying attention.
 
amazing80 said:
Wasn't a problem when he was lighting up teams...
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The single mild comment came after Clowney's college career and yeah I'm sure Spurrier felt like Clowney coasted the last year. I didn't like that coasting either but I wouldn't say that means, and I don't think Spurrier was stating, Clowney is some always has been always will be lazy punk. But Texian always tries to read too much into a single speck of tea leaf.

"He was OK," Spurrier said on NFL Network, the implication being that Clowney didn't exactly wear out the alarm clock or tax the hinges on the weight-room door. "It wasn't like Marcus Lattimore, you know, every player is a little different. His work habits are pretty good, they're not quite like Lattimore, a Stephon Gilmore, Melvin Ingram, some of those guys, but when the ball is snapped he's got something no one else has."

Lattimore's legendary work habits were praised by Spurrier prior to the 2013 NFL Draft.
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It's on the path to getting on someone because a coach says, "well he's no JJ Watt."
 
Texian said:
Stop being silly, the man is 70 years old, has won the Heisman, been involved with football for over 60 years and has won wherever he has coached. He has seen enough football players come and go that he knows lazy football players. If Clowney's work ethic had been just average and what was expected Spurrier would've never brought up Clowney's lack there of. If your term paper was based on Spurrier getting fired by Daniel Snyder because Spurrier was lazy, you get an F. Would you like a do over? a makeup test/term paper?
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Spurrier was never going to be a good NFL coach because he liked to do his thing and 18 hour days wasn't in his plans . The only one who didn't know this was Snyder who made him a rich offer and Spurrier took it .

As far as Clowney goes , it's always the guy who has a hurt peepee who call some lazy . Sme of the most useless people I"ve met say stuff like that . I think it's some Freudian indictment on themselves . The reality is Clowney was so talented that challenges physically were far and in between . He didn't have to give 110% to be good and they drafted him ( so would the other 31 teams ) #1 overall for that reason .
 
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but when the ball is snapped he's got something no one else has."
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Spurrier did underscore Clowney's explosiveness, a rare trait that the veteran coach said reminds him of former Florida Gators defensive end Jevon Kearse, a first-round pick of the Tennessee Titans in 1999 who had 74 career sacks.
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I'll go with that testimony by Clowney's HC in college. I can handle that.
 
Will that's a bummer about his dad. Also I ain't so sure micro fractures happen overnight. His knee has probably been hurting a few years. Some people play through pain but don't tell anyone, which can turn in to not giving 100 percent or lazy.
 
Texian said:
Yes, I take Spurrier at his word. You don't flip a switch and being lazy goes away. To me, Clowney has not demonstrated any change in his behavior from his days at South Carolina. I'm not sure any player has milked one tackle, 3 sacks and jumping over bean bags and picking up a tennis ball as well as Clowney has.
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I agree. You don't just flip a switch. I just haven't seen anything to peg Clowney as lazy & unmotivated.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. You don't just flip a switch. I just haven't seen anything to peg Clowney as lazy & unmotivated.
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You know truthfully I haven't either with the exception of his 3 sack season. However I do trust in those (Spurrier) who know and go where our eyes and ears can't and don't go. Spurrier had no reason and nothing to gain for making his Clowney comments.
 
Texian said:
You know truthfully I haven't either with the exception of his 3 sack season. However I do trust in those (Spurrier) who know and go where our eyes and ears can't and don't go. Spurrier had no reason and nothing to gain by his Clowney comments.
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Unless Spurrier saw Clowney as bucking him or questioning his coaching judgement.
 
Texian said:
You know truthfully I haven't either with the exception of his 3 sack season. However I do trust in those (Spurrier) who know and go where our eyes and ears can't and don't go. Spurrier had no reason and nothing to gain for making his Clowney comments.
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I don't think there is anyone arguing the underperformance in Clowney's last college season.

It's the argument that it (which stands out for being unusual) is the norm rather than the aberration which people take exception to.
 
infantrycak said:
The single mild comment came after Clowney's college career and yeah I'm sure Spurrier felt like Clowney coasted the last year. I didn't like that coasting either but I wouldn't say that means, and I don't think Spurrier was stating, Clowney is some always has been always will be lazy punk. But Texian always tries to read too much into a single speck of tea leaf.



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It's on the path to getting on someone because a coach says, "well he's no JJ Watt."
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Some of these Clowney excuses are just down right amazing
 
Texian said:
You know truthfully I haven't either with the exception of his 3 sack season. However I do trust in those (Spurrier) who know and go where our eyes and ears can't and don't go. Spurrier had no reason and nothing to gain for making his Clowney comments.
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Well, his current head coach has said, on multiple occasions, that Clowney has worked his tail off and has done everything asked of him during the time he played and during his rehab. So who you gonna believe, O'Brien, who sees him today, or Spurrier's quote from 2-3 years ago? Are you saying that O'Brien is lying and Spurrier is not??
 
infantrycak said:
I don't think there is anyone arguing the underperformance in Clowney's last college season.

It's the argument that it (which stands out for being unusual) is the norm rather than the aberration which people take exception to.
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I'm a regular listening to former Texans Seth Payne on 610, and Seth has said he has no issues on Clowneys efforts in his last year at S.Carolina, said he watched Clownesys game
tapes more than once. Seth is someone who is inarguably an expert on Dline play.
 
Texian said:
You know truthfully I haven't either with the exception of his 3 sack season. However I do trust in those (Spurrier) who know and go where our eyes and ears can't and don't go. Spurrier had no reason and nothing to gain for making his Clowney comments.
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Au contraire. Clowney still had two years of college eligibility left and undermining his star player's draft position with self serving comments IS just like him. You seem to have an unnatural trust in Spurrier, so I wonder why he gets for your devotion?
 
Marshall said:
Au contraire. Clowney still had two years of college eligibility left and undermining his star player's draft position with self serving comments IS just like him. You seem to have an unnatural trust in Spurrier, so I wonder why he gets for your devotion?
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Mr. Contraire, he gets my respect because he's one of college football's most successful coaches.
 
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IDEXAN said:
I'm a regular listening to former Texans Seth Payne on 610, and Seth has said he has no issues on Clowneys efforts in his last year at S.Carolina, said he watched Clownesys game tapes more than once. Seth is someone who is inarguably an expert on Dline play.
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Which only reinforces the argument and Spurrier's comments that while Clowney was putting forth the effort on the field, off the field maybe not so much and would explain why only the 3 sacks. Also Seth is a public figure and doubtful he would make disparaging remarks about an active Texan player much less their #1 draft pick. Seth knows who butters his bread.
 
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ObsiWan said:
Well, his current head coach has said, on multiple occasions, that Clowney has worked his tail off and has done everything asked of him during the time he played and during his rehab. So who you gonna believe, O'Brien, who sees him today, or Spurrier's quote from 2-3 years ago? Are you saying that O'Brien is lying and Spurrier is not??
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I don't think O'Brien is going to excoriate any player in the public arena. And as of today Clowney has spent more time under Spurrier's tutelage than O'Brien's.
 
Texian said:
He gets my respect because he's one of college football's most successful coaches.
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Not comparing the two, but Bob Knight is one of college basketball's most successful coaches. Does he get your respect as well?

Why base your opinion of a player on one old statement rather than the current situation?
 
paycheck71 said:
Not comparing the two, but Bob Knight is one of college basketball's most successful coaches. Does he get your respect as well?

Why base your opinion of a player on one old statement rather than the current situation?
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Really Bob Knight? Not comparing the two and then you did. What do you think? What's the current situation? What you believe or what someone else wants to believe? Why do you want to disregard Spurrier's comments and act like it never happened?
 
paycheck71 said:
Not comparing the two, but Bob Knight is one of college basketball's most successful coaches. Does he get your respect as well?

Why base your opinion of a player on one old statement rather than the current situation?
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Agenda
 
Texian said:
Which only reinforces the argument and Spurrier's comments that while Clowney was putting forth the effort on the field, off the field maybe not so much and would explain why only the 3 sacks. Also Seth is a public figure and doubtful he would make disparaging remarks about an active Texan player much less their #1 draft pick. Seth knows who butters his bread.
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You obviously don't follow his show regularly, because if you did you'd know he doesn't pull his punches and has been critical of the Texans and their personnel decisions on more than one occasion, but to be sure in a constructive manner.
 
Texian said:
Really Bob Knight? Not comparing the two and then you did. What do you think? What's the current situation? What you believe or what someone else wants to believe? Why do you want to disregard Spurrier's comments and act like it never happened?
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You're the one who said you respect Spurrier because he's successful. If that's your only criterion for respect, I gave you another example.

I'm not disregarding his comments, I just want to keep them in context and take into account what has happened since then.
 
Texian said:
Which only reinforces the argument and Spurrier's comments that while Clowney was putting forth the effort on the field, off the field maybe not so much and would explain why only the 3 sacks. Also Seth is a public figure and doubtful he would make disparaging remarks about an active Texan player much less their #1 draft pick. Seth knows who butters his bread.
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So you trust Spurrier without question, but Seth Payne is self serving. Could this possibly be blinders?
 
paycheck71 said:
You're the one who said you respect Spurrier because he's successful. If that's your only criterion for respect, I gave you another example.

I'm not disregarding his comments, I just want to keep them in context and take into account what has happened since then.
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Spurrier doesn't have Knight's baggage so that's why it's a very bad comparison and desperate reach for an excuse. Purely from BB coach perspective, yes, Knight achieved results. As a reason and comparison for Clowney, a BIG time stretch and bridge to far. You can do better. No you've dismissed them. Clearly you hear only what you want to hear and have disregarded anything doesn't fit your narrative and what you want to believe (an absence of reality).

Marshall said:
So you trust Spurrier without question, but Seth Payne is self serving. Could this possibly be blinders?
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BIG difference here Seth is radio talking head with a lot of air time to fill dictated by parameters of things he can and can't say. Spurrier is a highly successful college football coach. Seth saw game videos, Spurrier was up close and personal, on and off the field.

The Pencil Neck said:
Spurrier has come out over and over saying that people took his statements the wrong way.

Why don't we trust him on that?
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Because at the time he did, it was quite clear it was after new recruits were in house and there was backlash from the recruiting community. Other SEC coaches telling recruits do you want to go to SC where Spurrier will bad mouth you in public. In a haste Spurrier walked back some comments reading from a 5 x 8 index card, very scripted. It was damage control to protect his recruiting efforts, nothing more.
 
pirbroke said:
Will that's a bummer about his dad. Also I ain't so sure micro fractures happen overnight. His knee has probably been hurting a few years. Some people play through pain but don't tell anyone, which can turn in to not giving 100 percent or lazy.
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Actually microfractures happen in minutes since it's the surgeon who creates them. Microfracture surgery is an articular cartilage repair surgical technique that works by creating tiny fractures in the underlying bone. This causes new cartilage to develop from a so-called super-clot. Those of you who see this as microfractures in his bones that need repairing misunderstand the injury.
 
Bottom line, I haven't seen anything that suggests lazy. I've yet to hear anyone with the Texans hint towards lazy. In conclusion I'm leaning towards Spurrier being butt hurt about something.

Don't know what, but there's some reason he answered the way he did, but it wasn't Clowney's work ethic, unless he turned it around & up a notch. If that's the case, kudos to Clowney & thank you to Spurrier.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Spurrier has come out over and over saying that people took his statements the wrong way.

Why don't we trust him on that?
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uh.. cause coaches lie? I think Spurrier was upset Clowney left and spouted off then tried to cover. Issue is not should we have drafted him (I am ok with folks :deadhorse ) but issue for me is what do we do now? Until final medical decision is made, not much we can do.
 
Isn't this the same reason the previous Clowney thread was shut down? Cut the crap already. Love him or hate him, he's on our team. Get over it.
 
PapaL said:
Isn't this the same reason the previous Clowney thread was shut down? Cut the crap already. Love him or hate him, he's on our team. Get over it.
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Isn't this a message board? or is this a message board only for discussions that you approve?
 
Texian said:
Isn't this a message board? or is this a message board only for discussions that you approve?
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Is this a message board or your personal soap box to cry about Clowney being the pick even though you, with your insider knowledge, said it was Bortles?
Take your agenda elsewhere troll.

Have something relevant to add about JC? We're all dying to hear.
 
Nitrofish said:
Actually microfractures happen in minutes since it's the surgeon who creates them. Microfracture surgery is an articular cartilage repair surgical technique that works by creating tiny fractures in the underlying bone. This causes new cartilage to develop from a so-called super-clot. Those of you who see this as microfractures in his bones that need repairing misunderstand the injury.
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Nitro,

Glad you brought this very important distinction up. Even the media many times refers to the injury as "microfracture," where, in fact, "microfracture" is the refers to the surgical procedure that is employed when the articular bone is denuded of its protective articular cartilage coverage.
 
thunderkyss said:
Bottom line, I haven't seen anything that suggests lazy. I've yet to hear anyone with the Texans hint towards lazy. In conclusion I'm leaning towards Spurrier being butt hurt about something.

Don't know what, but there's some reason he answered the way he did, but it wasn't Clowney's work ethic, unless he turned it around & up a notch. If that's the case, kudos to Clowney & thank you to Spurrier.
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Yea Spurrier was probably 10 over on that days round, so I think especially at this point in his life (he's 70)his golf game is what he lives for, not the rigors of coaching.
And hey we all know Billy is not reticent about coming down on players who lack the kinda effort he expects from them on the field, case in point is one Louis Nix whom you may recall Billy blasted in the media last year for failing to complete a single practice. On the other hand he's been generally complimentary about Clowney re his demeanor and attitude in general.
 
IDEXAN said:
Yea Spurrier was probably 10 over on that days round, so I think especially at this point in his life (he's 70)his golf game is what he lives for, not the rigors of coaching.
And hey we all know Billy is not reticent about coming down on players who lack the kinda effort he expects from them on the field, case in point is one Louis Nix whom you may recall Billy blasted in the media last year for failing to complete a single practice. On the other hand he's been generally complimentary about Clowney re his demeanor and attitude in general.
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Not just Nix, but he got on Brandon Brooks & XSF about their body composition & most recently Strong & XSF again.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Nitro,

Glad you brought this very important distinction up. Even the media many times refers to the injury as "microfracture," where, in fact, "microfracture" is the refers to the surgical procedure that is employed when the articular bone is denuded of its protective articular cartilage coverage.
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Does the distinction improve Clowney's prognosis? If not, screw Nitro. LOL :sarcasm: on the last part.
 
DocBar said:
Does the distinction improve Clowney's prognosis? If not, screw Nitro. LOL :sarcasm: on the last part.
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I don't know if the sarcasm was also assigned to the first part of the question. If it wasn't...the distinction only clarifies the terminology........but has no effect on Clowney's prognosis.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't know if the sarcasm was also assigned to the first part of the question. If it wasn't...the distinction only clarifies the terminology........but has no effect on Clowney's prognosis.
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The :sarcasm:just applies to the latter. If it doesn't improve the outlook, screw it.
 
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