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The New New JaDeveon Clowney Thread

Clowney on 610 radio this morning and reported he got up to 280 last year but is now down to 265. Seth Payne says after watching him at yesterdays practice he appears to move better, is more comfortable.
 
IDEXAN said:
Clowney on 610 radio this morning and reported he got up to 280 last year but is now down to 265. Seth Payne says after watching him at yesterdays practice he appears to move better, is more comfortable.
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Must be close to no body fat. I've only seen a few photos of him, but there was one where he was walking next to Nuk and he looked HUGE.
 
Damn you guys know how to derail a thread.

If Clowney blows up this year, what do you do with the guy? Extend his contract? That seems like a dicey proposition and I do not envy the people who have to make that decision (okay yes I do because I would gladly make decisions like that for millions of dollars a year and I don't care how badly I was perceived publicly while doing it).
 
b0ng said:
Damn you guys know how to derail a thread.

If Clowney blows up this year, what do you do with the guy? Extend his contract? That seems like a dicey proposition and I do not envy the people who have to make that decision (okay yes I do because I would gladly make decisions like that for millions of dollars a year and I don't care how badly I was perceived publicly while doing it).
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Clowney is in the 3rd year of a 4 yr deal that can be team optioned to a 5th. Absolutely no reason to consider a new contract for 2 more years. With the injury history I wouldn't even do that - play out the 5 yrs and then hope to re-sign him.
 
Fair points, I was thinking this was a contract year for some reason. Still though, if he has two monster seasons are you trying to give him JJ Watt money?
 
b0ng said:
Fair points, I was thinking this was a contract year for some reason. Still though, if he has two monster seasons are you trying to give him JJ Watt money?
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With his injury history I don't care if he sets new sack records each of the next 2 years wouldn't give him that money. He may be a monster for 3-4 years if he starts this season but he is not going to be a long career player.
 
How bout this for a plan. He needs to get through his 5th year option with no serious injuries that require surgery. That's 3 seasons since he is just starting his 3rd season. During that 5th year option season, offer him a 4 year deal at around $60 mil with maybe $20 mil guaranteed money and performance bonuses. During the 4th year of that contract if he again sustains no serious injuries requiring surgery, then extend him maybe another 3 year performance laidened contract to finish his career.
 
I wouldn't offer any contract that goes past his 10th year in the league. And I would always discount in anticipation of rapid decline or outrght out at any time. Doc has explained his new cartilage isn't as strong and is already wearing down.
 
infantrycak said:
I wouldn't offer any contract that goes past his 10th year in the league. And I would always discount in anticipation of rapid decline or outrght out at any time. Doc has explained his new cartilage isn't as strong and is already wearing down.
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What facts are there to justify either of those claims? Not as strong? Already wearing down?
I'd like to see official reports that support either of these opinions. And that's what they are. Opinions.
As a matter of fact, Clowney is moving better and faster then he has since he's been here. He has gained strength this off-season. He has also lost weight, going from 280 to 265. And today, he dominated the offensive line in practice. Those are facts.
 
He probably won't have a 10 or 12 year career but it'll be nice to get good performance from him for at least 3 to 4 more years. An 8 or 9 year career would be ok. Which is probably his outside longevity with a reconstructed knee.
 
JamTex said:
What facts are there to justify either of those claims? Not as strong? Already wearing down?
I'd like to see official reports that support either of these opinions. And that's what they are. Opinions.
As a matter of fact, Clowney is moving better and faster then he has since he's been here. He has gained strength this off-season. He has also lost weight, going from 280 to 265. And today, he dominated the offensive line in practice. Those are facts.
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Just FYI - Doc is CloakNNNdagger around here and is a surgeon. His opinions have been spot on for a decade.
 
I don't mean to sound like I'm disputing Doc. The physical stress these athletes put their bodies through is tremendous. Considering Clowney's injury history, he may have only a few more years left. 4 or 5 at the most.
But he can still contribute with the attributes he does have. No one knows how long his knee will hold up. It might not make it through training camp. Then again, he could play another 6 good years on it. We just don't know.
We shall see as it plays out in front of us.
 
JamTex said:
What facts are there to justify either of those claims? Not as strong? Already wearing down?
I'd like to see official reports that support either of these opinions. And that's what they are. Opinions.
As a matter of fact, Clowney is moving better and faster then he has since he's been here. He has gained strength this off-season. He has also lost weight, going from 280 to 265. And today, he dominated the offensive line in practice. Those are facts.
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Before you go off with such strong condemning statements, you might note that you are presenting your own "opinion." You might try to go back and read the surgical literature (of which I posted many related articles) which has established with quite valid consistency what the natural course and prognosis of Clowney's knee injury and associated microfracture surgery is. And furthermore, this is not even to mention all the significant core and other lower limb injuries that he has had to already deal with in his extremely short NFL history. Those are "facts." Clowney has yet to prove anything consistent or significant on the field, or that he can stay on the field long enough to offer up that proof. You and others are certainly entitled to your opinions, but they cannot stand up to the long-standing facts that are known to all surgeons that deal with this type of trauma. No one including myself has the magic crystal ball to look into Clowney's exact future.......and I will, like others, continue to root for him to become a player who can attain and maintain a consistent and even an elite productive level of performance..............but the "facts" keep getting in my way, and I must remain realistic re. the most probable ultimate outcome.
 
infantrycak said:
Clowney is in the 3rd year of a 4 yr deal that can be team optioned to a 5th. Absolutely no reason to consider a new contract for 2 more years. With the injury history I wouldn't even do that - play out the 5 yrs and then hope to re-sign him.
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Do you know what the 5th year money would be on his contract? To me, if it's well below the cap figure for his position I'd pick it up. If not, I'd take my chances.
 
thunderkyss said:
Do you know what the 5th year money would be on his contract? To me, if it's well below the cap figure for his position I'd pick it up. If not, I'd take my chances.
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It's the transition tag number for his position from the 4th year of his contract - probably $11-12 mil.
 
infantrycak said:
It's the transition tag number for his position from the 4th year of his contract - probably $11-12 mil.
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So we're only paying an extra $3M~$4M or some where around there if we do not pick up that 5th year option, then tag him that fifth year.


So if Tkyss was the guy making this decision, if JD can play 10 games at the level we expected when we drafted him #1 overall, I'd pick up his fifth year option for 2017 when this season is over.
 
Bill O'Brien sees improvement from Jadeveon Clowney
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Jadeveon Clowney displayed flashes of his trademark explosiveness and increasing skill as a pass rusher and run-stopper during his second NFL season.

The Texans' talented outside linebacker and former top overall pick from South Carolina continued to have a caveat attached to his name, though.

Because of his frequent health issues, although nothing as serious as the microfracture knee surgery he underwent as a rookie and has fully recovered from, Clowney remains a player carrying the potential tag moreso than being known as an accomplished, productive professional.
Now, the Texans are hoping to capitalize on the benefits of a healthy Clowney. Clowney is visibly lighter and quicker at training camp having gotten down to 265 pounds from the 284 pounds he played at last season. Clowney has also been working on refining his pass-rushing moves and building his repertoire.

"Yes, Clowney's been out here every day practicing hard," Texans coach Bill O'Brien said. "He's a guy that's gotten better. He understands our system, he understands the scheme, and he understands his role in it. I think he's added a couple of pass rush moves. He's getting better every day."

Clowney didn't play in the Texans' 30-0 AFC wild-card playoff game loss to the Kansas City Chiefs or their regular-season finale against the Tennessee Titans due to a sprained foot that didn't require surgery. He finished the season with a career-high 4 1/2 sacks and 40 tackles with one forced fumble in 13 games and nine starts.

Since being drafted first overall in 2014, the former college All-American has dealt with a myriad of injuries.

He underwent microfracture knee surgery, a meniscus arthroscopic procedure, sports hernia surgery and a concussion as a rookie when he was limited to four games, seven tackles and zero sacks.

Clowney dealt with a sprained ankle and a lower back injury this past season.

Texans linebackers coach Mike Vrabel, a former All-Pro outside linebacker with the New England Patriots, has witnessed a resolve from Clowney as he tries to achieve more and stay on the field in his third NFL season.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Bill-O-Brien-sees-improvement-from-Jadeveon-9122818.php
 
JamTex said:
What facts are there to justify either of those claims? Not as strong? Already wearing down?
I'd like to see official reports that support either of these opinions. And that's what they are. Opinions.
As a matter of fact, Clowney is moving better and faster then he has since he's been here. He has gained strength this off-season. He has also lost weight, going from 280 to 265. And today, he dominated the offensive line in practice. Those are facts.
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Well he was not moving very fast or at all his first two seasons so....We have time and as I'Cak said we need to get through this year and maybe most of his 4th as he probably will start to decline due to severity of his past injuries plus the effects those had and will have as he plays on. My approach is use him while you can.

Of his $22. 3 m fully guaranteed contract, he has already pocketed most; signing bonus was $14.4 and picked up another $2 m in '14 & '15. 2016 he gets $ 2 m roster bonus plus base of about .5 m or total about $19 m. in only three seasons. Anyone think opponents will not be not be going for his legs? We probably will never see him earn the 22 m but he can hopefully be a solid if not great OLB.
 
thunderkyss said:
So we're only paying an extra $3M~$4M or some where around there if we do not pick up that 5th year option, then tag him that fifth year.


So if Tkyss was the guy making this decision, if JD can play 10 games at the level we expected when we drafted him #1 overall, I'd pick up his fifth year option for 2017 when this season is over.
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TK just to clarify Texans control his contract for 2016 & 2017, then 2018 for his 5th year option. As 'Cak posted, we can franchise him next two years 2019 and 2020 so team might not be interested in a long term deal anyway.
 
badboy said:
TK just to clarify Texans control his contract for 2016 & 2017, then 2018 for his 5th year option. As 'Cak posted, we can franchise him next two years 2019 and 2020 so team might not be interested in a long term deal anyway.
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Right.

I'm getting him mixed up with Nuk as far as timing goes.
 
Texian said:
"His knee is swollen up to the size of a basketball and the Doctors and trainers are trying to get the swelling down and find out what is causing the swelling?"
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*sigh*

Many of us are thinking it. I can't help but resent Clowney (not as a person, but just the situation). I know it's not his fault and injury is part of the game yada yada yada, but dammit, we endured a 2-14 season to get that 1.1 pick and use on his gimpy ass. Right now, I feel like it was a complete waste until proven otherwise.

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Hope for the best and all that jazz. Happy face! :)
 
Maybe way off here, but could Clowney suffer from severe anxiety more than anything else? From comments made by both Spurrier and O'Brien ("Dr Clowney" type comments) it seems like a high likelihood to me. I imagine it puts a coach in a tough spot and he can't throw Clowney under the bus. These days you just can't tell a player who says he is in pain to toughen up and get out on the field. Hearing how fit he came into camp I was pretty excited but then, here we go again. Has there been similar cases of previous players who have missed time for injury after injury after injury after illness after injury being diagnosed with severe anxiety later on?
 
gs27 said:
Maybe way off here, but could Clowney suffer from severe anxiety more than anything else? From comments made by both Spurrier and O'Brien ("Dr Clowney" type comments) it seems like a high likelihood to me. I imagine it puts a coach in a tough spot and he can't throw Clowney under the bus. These days you just can't tell a player who says he is in pain to toughen up and get out on the field. Hearing how fit he came into camp I was pretty excited but then, here we go again. Has there been similar cases of previous players who have missed time for injury after injury after injury after illness after injury being diagnosed with severe anxiety later on?
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Here we go again? Perhaps we can wait until he misses a game until we start all the doom and gloom
 
I've said it before, Clown is becoming the Greg Oden of the NFL. Greg Clowney, or Jadeveon Oden which ever you prefer.

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could of had Mack or that lame tackle from ATL ....... or we could of had Johnny Football ... LOL
 
gs27 said:
Maybe way off here, but could Clowney suffer from severe anxiety more than anything else? From comments made by both Spurrier and O'Brien ("Dr Clowney" type comments) it seems like a high likelihood to me. I imagine it puts a coach in a tough spot and he can't throw Clowney under the bus. These days you just can't tell a player who says he is in pain to toughen up and get out on the field. Hearing how fit he came into camp I was pretty excited but then, here we go again. Has there been similar cases of previous players who have missed time for injury after injury after injury after illness after injury being diagnosed with severe anxiety later on?
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usually the anxiety begins when player is cut and has no NFL income landing in his bank account. Also remember Clowney has bone spurs...
 
badboy said:
usually the anxiety begins when player is cut and has no NFL income landing in his bank account. Also remember Clowney has bone spurs...
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If there is any anxiety and trepidation being experienced by Clowney it most likely from his having to refrain from using his water pipe and his Laremy Tunsil gas mask. :)

 
Texian said:
If there is any anxiety and trepidation being experienced by Clowney it most likely from his having to refrain from using his water pipe and his Laremy Tunsil gas mask. :)

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I tried one of those gas mask bongs, back in my younger days....It left me hazy for about 10 minutes....
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thunderkyss said:
Sounds like something that was said about Dominic Davis, which this is very reminiscent of.
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Ok, if somebody doesn't mind catching me up, is it Clowney's repaired knee that's swollen up and being drained?

Dominic Davis? Christ! :thud:
 
Texecutioner said:
Yeah well a lot of us screamed it before the draft, and yet you still have guys that will curse and scream to his and the GM's defense for what a waste of a #1 draft pick it was. Might as well had just forfeited it.
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Yep, I think it was you, me and maybe one or two others in that camp. Also believe that it was just us that was all in for Blake Bortles.
 
The Saga continues...

Texans' Jadeveon Clowney likely to practice next week
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SANTA CLARA, Calif. - As the Texans continue to exercise caution with outside linebacker Jadeveon Clowney given his history of injuries, the former top overall pick is expected to return to practice as soon as next week.

However, Clowney isn't expected to practice during a joint practice session Friday with the San Francisco 49ers or play in a preseason opener Sunday at Levi's Stadium.


Clowney is making steady progress and is getting over minor soreness in his knee he experienced that prompted the team to rest him, according to sources not authorized to speak publicly.
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http://www.chron.com/sports/texans/...n-Clowney-likely-to-practice-next-9136996.php
 
Texian said:
Yep, I think it was you, me and maybe one or two others in that camp. Also believe that it was just us that was all in for Blake Bortles.
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Kudos on being correct (so far) about Clowney, but I wouldn't go on riding the Bortles horse just yet. Even Schaubbie put up monster stats in garbage time.

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Sorry, but saying that Bortles was good last year is akin to saying that the Texans was a good team with the 9-7 record.

Bortles was so good in the 56-16 trashing of the Colts that he received a total QBR of 3.8 (NOT thirty-eight, but three point eight.)

His "better" games were against some of the worst defenses last year.
That and garbage time are ideal for fantasy football though.

I wanted neither Bortles nor Clowney (injury situation known).
I had promoted the idea of trading away the pick; getting future picks if possible.

Everybody on the draft forum knew that I was putting Mariota and Winston at the top of the order even from the season previous. (I only scratched off Winston due to concerns about his characters.)

Bortles isn't a terrible player, but there's no way I would have drafted top 5, or even top 10.

He's similar to Ryan Tannehill, whom I dídn't want in the top 10 either.
 
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