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The Johnny "Football" Manziel NFL thread

Not that well thought out. Hypothetical...........Manziel signed as backup..........Romo breaks his collarbone during the first game of the season........Manziel, who has gone through no successful rehab, takes over the face of the franchise........runs around in his usual circles leaving a big fat circle in the scorebox........booed by the fan base.........can't take the pressure.........parties and drinks all night long and beats his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend or whatever girl happens to be available............Cowboys, with wasted preseason QB experience leaving no viable alternative, can't recover, and miss the playoffs again..........fan base revolts and assassinates Jerry.......... :spy:

I'm not sure if that's a best or worst case scenario.
 
Not that well thought out. Hypothetical...........Manziel signed as backup..........Romo breaks his collarbone during the first game of the season........Manziel, who has gone through no successful rehab, takes over the face of the franchise........runs around in his usual circles leaving a big fat circle in the scorebox........booed by the fan base.........can't take the pressure.........parties and drinks all night long and beats his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend or whatever girl happens to be available............Cowboys, with wasted preseason QB experience leaving no viable alternative, can't recover, and miss the playoffs again..........fan base revolts and assassinates Jerry.......... :spy:

In the event that Johnny lands on the Cowboys roster I doubt if he would be the go to guy in the event that Tony experiences another injury. Johnny just might find that being a Cowboy requires a lot more than getting the opportunity to play on his favorite team and will require much more than he can deliver without a 180 degree turn around. His best bet is to never forget that if he winds up on the team initially he will be a project.
 
In the event that Johnny lands on the Cowboys roster I doubt if he would be the go to guy in the event that Tony experiences another injury. Johnny just might find that being a Cowboy requires a lot more than getting the opportunity to play on his favorite team and will require much more than he can deliver without a 180 degree turn around. His best bet is to never forget that if he winds up on the team initially he will be a project.

Unless this happens......and I wouldn't hold your breath.......his not being the center of attention will quickly lead to the repeat of history.
 
From a business perspective, it's probably worth the jersey sales alone. Manziel still has a dedicated fan base that would buy them up, especially here in Texas.

Manziel is Tim tebow doing a keg stand to wash down Viagra. He's shown that he's a marginal QB and nothing more. I'm
Sure tebow was far more dedicated and serious about his career than this little boy but none the less still a bad QB. Manziel fans will continue to support him regardless of his obvious shortcomings. And while I agree that from a dollars and cents prospective singing this dumb little boy is a profitable move, knowing that this little boy is your backup for an aging and injury prone QB is not wise. Jerry better have another QB on the roster to try and salvage the season after romo gets hurt again and Manziel reverts to Jonny douchebag.
 
From a business perspective, it's probably worth the jersey sales alone. Manziel still has a dedicated fan base that would buy them up, especially here in Texas.
Sigh. The "jersey sales" argument. First off decidated JFF fans already have an Aggie or Browns jersey. At this point it is hard to see that there are even Cowboys fans who want to drop the $$$ for a Johnny Brown #2 jersey. Even if there are, jersey sales are split 32 ways! So Jerruh gets 1/32 of every Browns, Manziel, Reggie, Mario, Vince, and Brian Hoyer jersey already. Besides, you seem to have bought into SteelB's idea that there is an inverse relationship between NFL profitability and competiveness, so why would any owner (except McNair who you and SteelB think hates winning) want to increase profits?
 
Even if there are, jersey sales are split 32 ways! So Jerruh gets 1/32 of every Browns, Manziel, Reggie, Mario, Vince, and Brian Hoyer jersey already.

The Cowboys license separately from the NFL Trust (settlement after exchanging lawsuits back in the 90's). But I agree the demand would be a pittance in Jerry's grand scheme of things.
 
In the event that Johnny lands on the Cowboys roster I doubt if he would be the go to guy in the event that Tony experiences another injury. Johnny just might find that being a Cowboy requires a lot more than getting the opportunity to play on his favorite team and will require much more than he can deliver without a 180 degree turn around. His best bet is to never forget that if he winds up on the team initially he will be a project.
Being on the Cowboys Roster in the Jones era does NOT require Johnny to change at all as long as he performs halfway decently on the field, which is the most you could hope for if a fan. I haven't been a Jones fan since the day Landry was fired in a most disrespectful way.
 
The Cowboys license separately from the NFL Trust (settlement after exchanging lawsuits back in the 90's). But I agree the demand would be a pittance in Jerry's grand scheme of things.
Yes Jerry has more money Cresus, but he also loves creating a buzz. What better way than bringing in a buzzed QB.
 
Brandon Marshall: Johnny Manziel needs to walk away from NFL, get help
By Jared Dubin | Staff Writer
February 3, 2016 9:34 am ET

In the wake of all of this, New York Jets wide receiver Brandon Marshall felt compelled to speak about Manziel in an appearance on Super Bowl Live with Greg Gumbel, Bill Cowher, Steve Beuerlein, and Jason La Canfora.

May 3, 2011, at 9:35, I prepared a letter to the Miami Dolphins, this was during the lockout, and whoever else in the NFL that I had to send it to. And this was a letter stating that I was going to walk away from football because my life was in turmoil and it was a mess. I spent three months in the outpatient program at McClean Hospital where I did a neurological evaluation and a clinical evaluation to see if I was even capable of changing with what I was dealing with.

… So, for me, this has nothing to do with football. Johnny Manziel needs to walk away from the game, maybe even go to McClean hospital, and get his life under control. This young man has a serious issue. I feel for him, I understand what he's going through, and I wish him well. But, all of us in the NFL and the surrounding the NFL need to know that this is a serious issue and I pray that he gets the help that he needs.

In response to what Marshall said, former Steelers head coach Bill Cowher had a lot to say about the pressured placed on NFL players to never show weakness.

It's powerful words, to me, coming from Brandon right here because here's a guy, he's in the community, this is a compadre right there. He's reaching out to him. I think, I talked to you (Marshall) about this, I said, 'You know, it's not easy at times to be an NFL player in the National Football League because you're in the spotlight, there's a lot of pressure put on you. Not only pressure from you that you put on yourself but also from the outside coming in, whether it be family or friends. The expectations that people want you to live up to. Sometimes it's OK to reach out and get help. It's OK. That's not a sign of weakness, it's a sign of strength to recognize I need someone to help me through these difficult times. I need someone to be able to lean on.' I agree with you, for Johnny Manziel, he was in rehab last summer and obviously at some point he still has some issues to deal with.

Marshall, who has been extremely open about his mental health issues and steadfast in his support of and advocacy for other people and players that might have them, then repeatedly emphasized that what he dealth with (and what Manziel might be dealing with) is a sickness.

It's a sickness. You said it best, coach. All of our lives we've been told to mask our pain. To show no signs of weakness. That's what makes us great at football. That's what makes us who we are. That's why he's Money Manziel or Johnny Whatever we call him. So for Johnny, he has to do exactly what you said. Show weakness and that's a sign of strength.

I just want everyone to understand that this is a sickness. That's not an excuse for behavioral issues, but we have to understand that there's a lot of Americans, a lot of people in this world that deal with this.
 
I get where Marshall is coming from but what if Manziels issues are not substance abuse. What if Manziel just isn't a good person? What kind of help do you get if you think you can do whatever you want and be irresponsible?
 
I get where Marshall is coming from but what if Manziels issues are not substance abuse. What if Manziel just isn't a good person? What kind of help do you get if you think you can do whatever you want and be irresponsible?
Brandon Marshall has been diagnosed with a condition called "Borderline Personality Disorder", and has been pretty successful in dealing with it. While most in the field agree that the name of the condition is a bit misleading, some of the symptoms (for lack of a better word) are
  • Problems with regulating emotions and thoughts
  • Impulsive and reckless behavior
  • Unstable relationships with other people.
I don't pretend to know how this would tie in with a substance abuse issue, but since your question was "What if his issues aren't substance abuse", I'll defer to Brandon Marshall's viewpoints.
 
I get where Marshall is coming from but what if Manziels issues are not substance abuse. What if Manziel just isn't a good person? What kind of help do you get if you think you can do whatever you want and be irresponsible?

Psychopathy, if this is what we're seeing in Manziel, is commonly associated with substance abuse and other risky activities. Psychopaths’ brains are wired and chemically altered (dysfunction in the brain chemical dopamine reward circuitry) to seek rewards, no matter the consequences. There is a long tradition of research on psychopathy that has focused on the lack of sensitivity to punishment and a lack of fear. It’s not just that they don’t appreciate the potential threat, but that the anticipation or motivation for reward overwhelms those concerns. This condition is extremely difficult and very commonly impossible to successfully treat. In the world of psychotherapy, they are called "lost souls."
 
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Sigh. The "jersey sales" argument. First off decidated JFF fans already have an Aggie or Browns jersey. At this point it is hard to see that there are even Cowboys fans who want to drop the $$$ for a Johnny Brown #2 jersey. Even if there are, jersey sales are split 32 ways! So Jerruh gets 1/32 of every Browns, Manziel, Reggie, Mario, Vince, and Brian Hoyer jersey already. Besides, you seem to have bought into SteelB's idea that there is an inverse relationship between NFL profitability and competiveness, so why would any owner (except McNair who you and SteelB think hates winning) want to increase profits?

ha! You are delusional. Please show me any post that I made that says McNair hates winning. That's nonsense. Even if someone believes that McNair is only in it for the money (and I'm not one of them, btw), winning is the best thing to boost the bottom line.

For the record, I think McNair really wants to win. I just don't think he knows how to do it with regards to judging professionals to run his organization. Big difference between this and your baseless assumption of my pov.

Now, on to the Manziel jersey sales; Do you honestly believe that there are no JFF fans in Texas that would jump at the chance to buy a Manziel Cowboys jersey? The Cowboys could sign him to "compete" through training camp and then cut him before the season. Tebow jersey sales proved this time and time again to be a profit boost every time any team gave him a looksee.
 
Being on the Cowboys Roster in the Jones era does NOT require Johnny to change at all as long as he performs halfway decently on the field, which is the most you could hope for if a fan. I haven't been a Jones fan since the day Landry was fired in a most disrespectful way.
I disagree. Q. Carter wasn't the best in the QB world, but was all we had when he was let go, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson, Terrell Owens, Demetrius Underwood, and Joseph Randle. There is another who already has one foot on the banana peel and only time will tell if he slides.

It sounds like you have never been a Jones fan unless it was back in the oil and gas days because he fired Coach Landry shortly after becoming owner and prior to football season.
 
I disagree. Q. Carter wasn't the best in the QB world, but was all we had when he was let go, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson, Terrell Owens, Demetrius Underwood, and Joseph Randle. There is another who already has one foot on the banana peel and only time will tell if he slides.

It sounds like you have never been a Jones fan unless it was back in the oil and gas days because he fired Coach Landry shortly after becoming owner and prior to football season.

It's being reported that the Cowboys are tired of Hardy and will be releasing him............not because of the domestic abuse issue, but because of "too much partying." If Jones hasn't learned to extrapolate from experience, and still goes on to sign Billy Football, he deserves exactly what he will inevitably end up with. Billy won't have to leave Dallas to party "Hardy."

Some teams have been known for taking several troubled players and turning them around. The contemporary Cowboys have not tended to be one of those teams.
 
I disagree. Q. Carter wasn't the best in the QB world, but was all we had when he was let go, Adam Jones, Tank Johnson, Terrell Owens, Demetrius Underwood, and Joseph Randle. There is another who already has one foot on the banana peel and only time will tell if he slides.

It sounds like you have never been a Jones fan unless it was back in the oil and gas days because he fired Coach Landry shortly after becoming owner and prior to football season.
You are correct that I was never a Jones fan. I WAS a Cowboy fan at one time though.
 
If you get a chance, listen to Sean Jones' new radio show on AM 790 in the afternoons.

He's dishing some dirt and does not have the shackles of working for the Texans flagship station.

He is saying the same thing about McNair being the true GM and Smith just being his right hand yes-man. This would explain why Smith is Teflon at this point. He only does what his boss tells him to do.

Sean Jones told about very interesting and insightful experience with the early Texans. He was interviewed by Casserly to be a capologist when the franchise was started. He was asked point blank who he'd draft, and he said Julius Peppers. The mentality was that an expansion team would suck for at least a couple of years, so Jones' perspective was to draft a badass defensive player that would be here for 10-15 years. Build the team and then get a QB, because you are most likely picking high over the next several drafts. He said Casserly told him that they were leaning toward David Carr, but were very unsure about it. But, the owner wanted a face of the franchise and a QB could easily be that face. Here's yet another example of a marketing company with a football division.

Jones also said that he knows for a fact that both Casserly and Smith were recommendations by the NFL front office in New York. This tells me that McNair is not really qualified to pick a GM. He listens to advisers, the way most successful corporate CEOs do with boardroom mentalities.

What is really important to this owner? Consecutive sellouts? Color coordinated jerseys and themed games? Merchandise sales where you can find 200+ products with Texans logos on them? This organization certainly earns an A++ in marketing, gameday experiences, and customer service. You know, those things that big corporations do J.D. Power and Associates studies to evaluate and perfect. These are things that you can completely control, unlike the outcome on the field of play.

This quote speaks volumes:

“Frankly, I’m not concerned with what the record is,” McNair said. “I’m concerned about winning the division. That’s what counts – whatever it takes to get there.”


Winning the divisions means jack squat in the bigger picture. Yay, another pretty banner for his football palace, but that's about it when your team gets its ass handed to them 30-0 in a playoff game. There is no hope in that outcome as a fan. It feels like eating whipped cream for dinner. Eat enough of it and you puke.

The more I think about them not picking a QB with 1.1 and opting instead for the likes of Fitzpatrick and Hoyer...honestly, it just disgusts me as a football fan. Nobody can convince me that either of these losers are better than Bridgewater, Carr, or even Bortles. What the hell? They go the "safe" pick and listen to all the media talking heads about "once in a generation player" garbage in spite of reservations by his college coach, injuries, and the eye test. And I have yet to see anything in the dude that suggests that he's at the level of "once in a generation player" when he actually makes it on the field.

It is clear that McNair is making fundamental decisions. Probably not all of them, but crucial ones that waste seasons. Extending David Carr and forcing Kubiak to spend his first year as HC dealing with him. Getting personally involved with contracts and our "legacy player" Andre Johnson. Hiring Wade Phillips. Signing Ed Reed and picking him up with his personal jet. Firing Kubiak mid-season so he could rush to get his Belichick disciple. I have little doubt that the decisions to get South Carolina Gamecock Clowney has McNair's fingerprints all over it.

Call me a heretic, call me a hater, I don't give a crap. I call it like I perceive it, and I have nothing to suggest that competent FOOTBALL people are truly running this organization after closely watching everything for 14 seasons.



The Colts were in the 2014 AFC Championship game and only lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions.

That's not mediocre.

They only fell back this year because the most important position on the field was hobbled with injuries. I have no doubt that they will be back next year stronger than ever with a healthy Luck.

Meanwhile, the hapless Texans still need a QB....

ha! You are delusional. Please show me any post that I made that says McNair hates winning. That's nonsense. Even if someone believes that McNair is only in it for the money (and I'm not one of them, btw), winning is the best thing to boost the bottom line.

For the record, I think McNair really wants to win. I just don't think he knows how to do it with regards to judging professionals to run his organization. Big difference between this and your baseless assumption of my pov.

Now, on to the Manziel jersey sales; Do you honestly believe that there are no JFF fans in Texas that would jump at the chance to buy a Manziel Cowboys jersey? The Cowboys could sign him to "compete" through training camp and then cut him before the season. Tebow jersey sales proved this time and time again to be a profit boost every time any team gave him a looksee.
Maybe someone hacked your account. In the first post the hacker thinks what is important to McNair is sellouts and merchandise sales, not winning, and implying that they are incompatiable. And that every bad decision ever made was McNair's idea. And that not drafting a QB at 1.1 is always a mistake, except for when one was drafted at 1.1 then that was a mistake. Not directly "McNair hates winning" but pretty close to the SteelB position that McNair would take $1 over a championship, so excuse me for deductive reasoning.
 
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Maybe someone hacked your account. In the first post the hacker thinks what is important to McNair is sellouts and merchandise sales, not winning, and implying that they are incompatiable. And that every bad decision ever made was McNair's idea. And that not drafting a QB at 1.1 is always a mistake, except for when one was drafted at 1.1 then that was a mistake. Not directly "McNair hates winning" but pretty close to the SteelB position that McNair would take $1 over a championship, so excuse me for deductive reasoning.

I just ask questions as a fan. Apparently unlike some of y'all, I do not perceive Bob McNair as an infallible savior or godlike figure that shoots rainbows out of his ass that turn into kittens and lollipops.

SteelB and I have had our agreements and disagreements, but our perspectives are not interchangeable. For the record and always on record, my position is and has always been that McNair wants to win but just doesn't know how to accomplish it.

He's a great owner from a family-friendly gameday experience perspective. He's average, at best, at running an NFL football franchise as it pertains to building a championship team. This cannot be argued. It is proven time and time again with regular J.D. Powers and Associates surveys and simple history of the past 15 years.

I guess some folks just want to be fans, and I respect that. And I guess the customer in me makes folks uncomfortable when I reveal their magical Wizard of Oz is yet another old bald man blowing smoke and whistles.

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We can respectfully agree to disagree. Just don't put words in my mouth based on assumption-based 'deductive reasoning'.
 
This should be the coup de grace!

EXCLUSIVE: Manziel's ex claims QB threatened to kill her, himself
Rebecca Lopez, WFAA 6:57 PM. CST February 04, 2016

DALLAS - The ex-girlfriend of NFL quarterback Johnny Manziel told police that the Heisman Trophy winner told her "shut up or I'll kill us both" after forcing her into a car, hitting her, and dragging her by the hair.

On Thursday, News 8 learned harrowing details of last week's alleged assault of Colleen Crowley by Manziel, who is currently on the Cleveland Browns roster, but is not expected to return next season.

After News 8 broke this story Thursday afternoon, Manziel denied wrongdoing in a published report.

“We've been clear about expectations for our players on and off the field,” said Sashi Brown, the Browns executive vice president of football operations, in a statement Tuesday.

“Johnny's continual involvement in incidents that run counter to those expectations undermines the hard work of his teammates and the reputation of our organization,” Browns statement reads. “His status with our team will be addressed when permitted by league rules. We will have no further comment at this time.”

"We're trying to get our son better," Manziel's father, Paul Manziel told News 8. "We're not there yet."

The NFL released a statement later Thursday saying it is aware of the police report.
Mike Leslie Verified account ‏@MikeLeslieWFAA

#NFL statement regarding Johnny Manziel: “Our review of this incident began when it happened. We are aware of the police report.”

Crowley has told authorities that, according to sources, she is afraid for her safety and has drafted an order of protection to be presented to a Tarrant County district court judge.

Crowley and Manziel dated for two years and lived together for four months before breaking up in December, sources said.

Sources say in her affidavit, Crowley outlines the details of an alleged assault that she said began in Manziel's hotel room in Dallas in the early morning hours of Saturday, Jan. 30.

Sources say on Friday night, Crowley and three friends started the evening off at Victor Tangos, a swanky restaurant in the Knox-Henderson neighborhood in Dallas.

Crowley and friends bar-hopped for a few hours before she met Manziel in his room at Hotel ZaZa in Uptown Dallas.

Sources say while in his hotel room, the two of them argued over another girl. Crowley told police she tried to leave the room, but that Manziel wouldn't let her.

Crowley told police Manziel "restrained" in some manner and "led" her down a back stairway to the valet area.

"I was crying and begged the valet, 'Please don't let him take me. I'm scared for my life!'" she told police. The valet reportedly told her, "I don't know what to do" and let Manziel leave with her.

Sources say Manziel then drove her about a half-mile to her car, which was parked near the Concrete Cowboy bar off Cedar Springs Road. She claims she jumped out of the car and tried to hide from Manziel, but he found her in some nearby bushes.

"He grabbed me by my hair and threw me back into the car and got back in himself," she reportedly told police. "He hit me with his open hand on my left ear for jumping out of the car. I realized immediately that I could not hear out of that ear, and I still cannot today, two days later."

Crowley then reportedly hit Manziel several times, hoping to get out of the car, but, she told police, Manziel "threw me off of him" and she hit her head on the car window. She told police he would not give her her phone.

Sources say Manziel then got on Interstate 30 and began driving to her apartment in Fort Worth. While en route, she claims, she yelled at him, "I hate you!" He allegedly replied that "he was going to drop me off, take my car and go kill himself," sources said.

She says she thought he was on drugs or maybe having a psychotic break. She told police she then began telling him she loved him.

She says at that time Manziel "started laughing" and then reportedly yelled at her to "shut up or I'll kill us both."
She says they finally made it to her Fort Worth apartment where the argument continued.

Crowley claims Manziel became angry, and smashed her phone. He then went outside and started "pacing," she told police. While she was alone, she tried to use her computer to contact her parents through Apple's FaceTime video chat system.

She said Manziel came back into the apartment, checked her computer, and realized she had tried to contact her parents.

"I was in my kitchen, so out of fear for my life, I pulled a knife out of my knife block and advanced toward him," Crowley told police.

"He ran out of the apartment," she said. When she saw him in the parking lot, she said she banged on a neighbor's door and screamed for help. Manziel fled on foot, she told police.

Manziel burst onto the national sports scene in 2012 while a freshman at Texas A&M University. That season, he led the Aggies to 11 wins, including a victory over top-ranked Alabama.

The win over the Crimson Tide and his dazzling play in college football’s toughest conference positioned Manziel to become the first ever freshman to win the Heisman Trophy.

He left Texas A&M after his sophomore season and entered the NFL draft. Manziel’s past legal problems and concerns over his size led NFL executives to question whether he could compete at the professional level.

Manziel wasn’t taken until the 22nd overall pick by the Cleveland Browns. Over his two seasons in the NFL, Manziel has played in 14 games for the Browns.
 
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I just ask questions as a fan. Apparently unlike some of y'all, I do not perceive Bob McNair as an infallible savior or godlike figure that shoots rainbows out of his ass that turn into kittens and lollipops.

SteelB and I have had our agreements and disagreements, but our perspectives are not interchangeable. For the record and always on record, my position is and has always been that McNair wants to win but just doesn't know how to accomplish it.

He's a great owner from a family-friendly gameday experience perspective. He's average, at best, at running an NFL football franchise as it pertains to building a championship team. This cannot be argued. It is proven time and time again with regular J.D. Powers and Associates surveys and simple history of the past 15 years.

I guess some folks just want to be fans, and I respect that. And I guess the customer in me makes folks uncomfortable when I reveal their magical Wizard of Oz is yet another old bald man blowing smoke and whistles.

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We can respectfully agree to disagree. Just don't put words in my mouth based on assumption-based 'deductive reasoning'.
I had to look several times. I kept seeing "redacted reasoning" instead of "deductive reasoning."

I need to get my eyes checked.
 
After Manziel fled, Crowley told police that she was “running in and out of her apartment through the front door in an attempt to get away” from him and that she finally went to a neighbor for help, the report states.


Crowley became irritated when police asked if the assault continued at the apartment, the report states. She refused to answer more questions, did not want to fill out a statement or make a report and did not want officers to photograph her injuries, it says.


Crowley told police that Manziel fled on foot. The Fort Worth police helicopter searched the area but couldn’t find him. Attempts to find the person Manziel may have been staying with at Hotel ZaZa turned up no leads on his whereabouts.

Police later reached Manziel’s father, who said he had seen his son and that he was doing fine. Manziel’s father asked that officers not contact him unless there is a warrant.

In a 911 call released by Fort Worth police, a woman said she heard screaming about 5:15 a.m. and went to see what happened. The caller said the woman, believed to be Crowley, said her boyfriend assaulted her and left, but did not want the caller to call police.
Dallas Morning News
 
This should be the coup de grace!

Things that make you go hmmm...

Crowley and Manziel dated for two years and lived together for four months before breaking up in December, sources said.

Sources say in her affidavit, Crowley outlines the details of an alleged assault that she said began in Manziel's hotel room in Dallas in the early morning hours of Saturday, Jan. 30.

Crowley and friends bar-hopped for a few hours before she met Manziel in his room at Hotel ZaZa in Uptown Dallas.

Sources say while in his hotel room, the two of them argued over another girl. Crowley told police she tried to leave the room, but that Manziel wouldn't let her.

Maybe Manziel is not the only one with problems
 
No charges will be brought...........his ex is still uncooperative. I have no doubt that this incident (in addition to all the others) will nevertheless have dire consequences as far as his NFL career is concerned.


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Not unexpected with uncooperative witnesses. All statements are suspicious and only seem to ring true if it reinforces a previously held view.

But that banana peel is doing what banana peels do.
 
I really can't wrap my head around the obsession with this kid.

Nobody really has a obsession with him anymore.. people are just rubber necking at this point..he's a wreck on the side of the road right now. Johnny Manziel is pretty much a athletic celebrity "Affluenza teen". I'm sure he's never been told no before and never really had to deal with adversity.

I don't see things ending well for him at all. He needs to step away from football for awhile and try to get his life together before it's too late.
 
I just ask questions as a fan. Apparently unlike some of y'all, I do not perceive Bob McNair as an infallible savior or godlike figure that shoots rainbows out of his ass that turn into kittens and lollipops.

SteelB and I have had our agreements and disagreements, but our perspectives are not interchangeable. For the record and always on record, my position is and has always been that McNair wants to win but just doesn't know how to accomplish it.

He's a great owner from a family-friendly gameday experience perspective. He's average, at best, at running an NFL football franchise as it pertains to building a championship team. This cannot be argued. It is proven time and time again with regular J.D. Powers and Associates surveys and simple history of the past 15 years.

I guess some folks just want to be fans, and I respect that. And I guess the customer in me makes folks uncomfortable when I reveal their magical Wizard of Oz is yet another old bald man blowing smoke and whistles.

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We can respectfully agree to disagree. Just don't put words in my mouth based on assumption-based 'deductive reasoning'.
If you don't even understand the implication of your post you shouldn't be trying to play the "intelligence" card. I just logically analyzed your post. Feel free to retract and say it wasn't your real feelings, but don't pretend it doesn't say what it says. And don't whine about others putting words in your mouth when you go to the "apparently you think Bob McNair is a godlike figure..." on me.

I think Bob McNair cares deeply about winning but just doesn't know how. Thus (being logical) I think he keeps Rick Smith around because he thinks that is his best chance to become a winner, and if he thought firing Rick would improve the chances of winning he would do it immediately, godchild stuff be damned.

You want to say he cares about winning, but in your other post you claim he keeps Rick around just for the personal relationship. Pick a story and stick to it.
 
So his agent drops him, his dad saying he won't live past 24 if he doesn't change...his gf saying he's hit her multiple times and threatened to kill her and himself....

If he's on a team next year I'd be surprised.
 
Johnny Manziel's father worried QB won't 'live to see his 24th birthday'; LINK

Manziel's father, Paul, told the newspaper that the Cleveland Browns quarterback has refused to enter area rehab facilities twice in the last week. He said the family tried to get Manziel, 23, to enter a local addiction facility on Saturday, but Manziel refused to stay. Paul Manziel said he tried to have his son admitted to a psychiatric and chemical dependency hospital on Tuesday but Manziel was allowed to leave, despite his father telling officers that he believed Manziel was suicidal.

"I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday," Paul Manziel told the paper.

Manziel turns 24 in December.

The wheels are FLYING off at this point. Kind of sad seeing this train wreck unfold.
 
At this point, I'm not concerned about his career in the NFL or lack thereof. I hope that someone in Johnny's life, family, friends, or trusted coach will be able to get through to him so that he can save his life. If he can get that straight, then maybe down the road he can salvage his career or find other productive means of living a happy and productive life.
 
Johnny Manziel's father worried QB won't 'live to see his 24th birthday'; LINK



The wheels are FLYING off at this point. Kind of sad seeing this train wreck unfold.
Oh damn now this is turning ugly. I've piled on Manziel and I think he deserves the criticism but I think his NFL career is the least of this guys issues. When his dad starts saying stuff like this then I change my tone. Manziel needs to find it in himself to accept the help that he needs before he does something he can't undo.
 
Mommy, daddy, coaches, girls, friends, people who wanted to be friends, and probably a good of amount of people in between have either been cleaning up Manziels messes or kissing his ass his whole life. Doubt the dude knows what personal responsibility is and am willing to bet he's scared shitless of it. Though mom and dad probably never expected anything out of him except good grades and good football - doubt being a good person ever entered the equation.
 
Oh damn now this is turning ugly. I've piled on Manziel and I think he deserves the criticism but I think his NFL career is the least of this guys issues. When his dad starts saying stuff like this then I change my tone. Manziel needs to find it in himself to accept the help that he needs before he does something he can't undo.

Ryan Leaf made a comment today about how it's like he's living his problems again. That should be enough to scare anyone!
 
At this point, I'm not concerned about his career in the NFL or lack thereof. I hope that someone in Johnny's life, family, friends, or trusted coach will be able to get through to him so that he can save his life. If he can get that straight, then maybe down the road he can salvage his career or find other productive means of living a happy and productive life.

Johnny Manziel's dad: Without rehab 'he won't live to see his 24th birthday' By Mary Kay Cabot, Cleveland.com February 05, 2016 at 12:10 PM
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SAN FRANCISCO -- Johnny Manziel's father said Friday that Manziel twice refused to go rehab this week and that he believes his son is suicidal.

"I truly believe if they can't get him help, he won't live to see his 24th birthday," Paul Manziel told The Dallas Morning News.

Paul Manziel said the family first tried to get Manziel, 23, to go to rehab on Saturday after an argument with his ex-girlfriend Colleen Crowley that resulted in Fort Worth police searching for him by helicopter. The police report states that Crowley told police Manziel struck her several times.

But Manziel refused to stay at the Enterhealth Ranch addiction facility in Van Alstyne, Paul said, adding that he then tried to have Johnny admitted Tuesday to Carrollton Springs Hospital, but Manziel was permitted to leave.

Paul Manziel was upset that Manziel -- who was not charged for the incident with Crowley -- was allowed to leave after he told a sheriff that he believed his son was suicidal. Carrollton Springs is a dual-diagnosis chemical dependency facility that specializes in treating substance abuse and/or mental illness.

Last year at this time, Manziel spent 73 days in the Caron Addiction treatment center in Pennsylvania for unspecified issues. But he's been seen out drinking frequently over the past few months and a source close to him have told cleveland.com "he's a train wreck.''

Important people in Manziel's life are parting ways as he refuses to get help.

His agent, Erik Burkhardt, who has stuck closely by his side for the past two years, ended his professional relationship Friday.

In a statement he said: "It is with deep regret that after several emotional and very personal discussions with his family, his doctors, and my client himself, I have made the decision to terminate my professional relationship with Johnny Manziel.

"Though I will remain a friend and Johnny supporter and he knows I have worked tirelessly to arrange a number of professional options for him to continue to pursue, it has become painfully obvious that his future rests solely in his own hands. His family and I have gone to great lengths to outline the steps we feel he must take to get his life in order. Accountability is the foundation of any relationship, and without it, the function of my work is counterproductive."

The Browns will waive Manziel March 9, when the new league year opens.

Coach Hue Jackson told TMZ here at the Super Bowl that Manziel "is not my concern.''
 
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Ryan Leaf made a comment today about how it's like he's living his problems again. That should be enough to scare anyone!
Yeah I heard him too. I actually felt really bad for him. He looks like he's gotten his life together, but it's sad to hear him say that he doesn't guarantee that tomorrow he won't give in to his demons. That's is scary schit to live with an addiction. I can't imagine.
 
Yeah I heard him too. I actually felt really bad for him. He looks like he's gotten his life together, but it's sad to hear him say that he doesn't guarantee that tomorrow he won't give in to his demons. That's is scary schit to live with an addiction. I can't imagine.
Ryan Leaf on Johnny Manziel: It's like a mirror
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  • Todd Archer ESPN Staff Writer

IRVING, Texas -- As he watches Johnny Manziel go through some of the same issues that cost him his NFL career, Ryan Leaf reached out to the quarterback's former agent to offer help.

Leaf, whom the San Diego Chargers picked second overall -- one spot behind Peyton Manning -- in the 1998 draft, was out of the league after the 2002 season, which included three starts for the Dallas Cowboys in 2001.

The Afternoon Show with Tim Cowlishaw and Matt Mosley on KESN 103.3 FM. "I listen to and hear stuff that's being said and what's going on and it's like a mirror for me. I can relate to so many things ... There's a solution. There always is but it's so hard to see when you're on this pedestal and [think] you don't need help. You don't need to be vulnerable because you're a big, strong football player and help means [being] weak. It doesn't. Asking for help might be the strongest thing you ever do. So it's hard because it was so fun to watch him. Great college quarterback. He's very capable and people want to cheer for him.

"But now Cleveland dislikes him so much to the point, like San Diego to me [where] it's at the point you just have to get out of town. By me getting out of town and getting a new start, it didn't work for me either. I got to a great place in Tampa with coach [Tony] Dungy and that team but I couldn't restart it and I'm worried that he's not going to be able to catch on somewhere else and be as successful as he's capable of being. I hope he can."
 
I care about Johnny cleaning up his life the same amount I care about anyone I don't personally know in general having issues.

But I think other people care more than he does.
 
I care about Johnny cleaning up his life the same amount I care about anyone I don't personally know in general having issues.

But I think other people care more than he does.
That could hold true for any addiction, alcohol, food, drugs sex, tobacco, you name it. I know when I smoked in the back of my mind I knew the warning labels on the packs, the lady in the office two doors down coughed all day, and comments from concerned friends were all for my best interest to quit. But, it still took a while for me to actively participate in getting control of what had become out of control. Thankfully, it's been 20 years since kicking the habit and blessed not to have any smoking related diseases. Unfortunately, some are not as lucky.
 
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