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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread

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dream_team said:
Sure, I'm with you that I would have like to have seen Kubiak try to establish the run early. But I don't think things would have been different if he did. Texans struggled to run on the Packers, I don't think it would have made a difference if we started off the game running.

This was by far the worst game of the season for the OL. Quite surprising considering all of the injuries on GB's side. They couldn't run block and struggled with pass pro. For supposedly one of the best OLs in the league, they failed to show up today.
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But the problem of pass pro, IMO, was due to not establishing an early run game.

In that sense, the Texans invited the Packers to blitz like maniacs all night long.

There should have been sweeps, RB screen plays galore, draw plays, shovel passes, reverses to Keshawn, everything in the book thrown at the Packers.

Kubiak just wanted to gunsling and forgot who he was playing. Period. And then our defense acted like they wouldn't decide if they were going to play the run or the pass the whole game. One defense looked sure of what they wanted to accomplish, the other? Nope.

One offense set out to pass on the defense and succeeded. The other set to to pass and couldn't get it done.

Kubiak picked a poison and he chose the wrong one. It backfired tonight.
 
GP said:
But the problem of pass pro, IMO, was due to not establishing an early run game.

In that sense, the Texans invited the Packers to blitz like maniacs all night long.

There should have been sweeps, RB screen plays galore, draw plays, shovel passes, reverses to Keshawn, everything in the book thrown at the Packers.

Kubiak just wanted to gunsling and forgot who he was playing. Period. And then our defense acted like they wouldn't decide if they were going to play the run or the pass the whole game. One defense looked sure of what they wanted to accomplish, the other? Nope.

One offense set out to pass on the defense and succeeded. The other set to to pass and couldn't get it done.

Kubiak picked a poison and he chose the wrong one. It backfired tonight.
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Which reminds me... where's the Wade bashing? The defense gave up 6 passing TDs, a backup RB had an effective game today, and with Watt being doubled, there was no pass rush. I thought that OL had trouble protecting Rodgers all season? Why is Kubiak only getting all of the blame?
 
I'd like to know what kind of conversation Gary had with Wade. That's going to tell us whether or not he has what it takes to be a head coach.

If he has the talk with Wade that he needs to have, the same talk he needs to have with his OC, and a step change is made, then that's what a HC is supposed to do.

If he can't bring himself to talk to Wade, to provide critique, for whatever reason (he's scared, or he has no influence on Wade since McNair hired him) then we're going to go the way of Wade's Dallas Cowboys.

How are we going to know if Kubiak had that discussion with Wade? Most likely we won't. But when he still talks about being a head coach in the media... kinda lets you know. When you see our defensive stars mocking the other team with the discount double check & the predator... kinda lets you know.

But the Seahawks beat the Patriots today.
 
Fiddler said:
I'd like to know what kind of conversation Gary had with Wade. That's going to tell us whether or not he has what it takes to be a head coach.

If he has the talk with Wade that he needs to have, the same talk he needs to have with his OC, and a step change is made, then that's what a HC is supposed to do.

If he can't bring himself to talk to Wade, to provide critique, for whatever reason (he's scared, or he has no influence on Wade since McNair hired him) then we're going to go the way of Wade's Dallas Cowboys.

How are we going to know if Kubiak had that discussion with Wade? Most likely we won't. But when he still talks about being a head coach in the media... kinda lets you know. When you see our defensive stars mocking the other team with the discount double check & the predator... kinda lets you know.

But the Seahawks beat the Patriots today.
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What??
 
Defense was all over the place, refs (and the commentators of NBC) were getting off their knees just long enough from blowing Aaron Rodgers to say how much the Texans suck and it was as much a Packer win as it was a Texan breakdown in communication. One loss does not obliterate the entire season.
 
Fiddler said:
I'd like to know what kind of conversation Gary had with Wade. That's going to tell us whether or not he has what it takes to be a head coach.

If he has the talk with Wade that he needs to have, the same talk he needs to have with his OC, and a step change is made, then that's what a HC is supposed to do.

If he can't bring himself to talk to Wade, to provide critique, for whatever reason (he's scared, or he has no influence on Wade since McNair hired him) then we're going to go the way of Wade's Dallas Cowboys.

How are we going to know if Kubiak had that discussion with Wade? Most likely we won't. But when he still talks about being a head coach in the media... kinda lets you know. When you see our defensive stars mocking the other team with the discount double check & the predator... kinda lets you know.

But the Seahawks beat the Patriots today.
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QFT.

All of it.
 
steelbtexan said:
All that needs to be said is,

Gary is who we thought he was.

Gary growing as a HC = LOL
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Exactly.

I'm not saying we should fire Gary right now. Obviously that would be idiotic to do when you are a 5-1 football team. But Gary has improved?!? In what ways exactly?

The only improvement I am seeing is he actually has a decent defensive coordinator now. Other than that, he is making the same kind of mistakes he made in year one with the Texans and most of us are aware of exactly what those mistakes are.

I think it's time we change Gary's name to Turtle.

I'm not saying we can't win with Gary Kubiak as head coach. But I'd feel a lot more comfortable if a guy like Chucky was at the helm.
 
I'm starting to wonder if there was any way short of going 16-0 that this thread/sentiment wouldn't have been brought up. It's shocking how one loss (as bad as it is) considering the level of talent and competition in the league can send people on tilt
 
Last night really bothered me. I remember back in 2002 going to a signing event with Corey Bradford. There was a huge line and the Texans had just been beaten by somebody. I don't remember what I said to him but I remember him telling me "No man, we let all ya'll down Sunday". He looked genuinely sorry that they hadn't been able to keep up with whoever it was the beat them. I told him that they didn't let anybody down and that things would get better.

Last night this group of Texans with a handful of exceptions genuinely let us down. I think of Jack Pardee's hyper-talented Oilers teams that didn't play up to their ability and that's what was on display last night. The previous 5 weeks it was mostly playing precise careful, winning football. Last night was undisciplined crap.
 
16 and 7 over our last 23 games. 13 and 4 when our starting qb plays. Our recent history is anything but mediocre. We lost to a great team than needed to prove a point after starting out poorly. We were coming off a short week. Teams lose!
 
Hervoyel said:
This was prior to his having his "ass handed to him by Dom Capers".
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I think it's obvious: HIRE DOM!!! :fingergun:

Hervoyel said:
Last night really bothered me. I remember back in 2002 going to a signing event with Corey Bradford. There was a huge line and the Texans had just been beaten by somebody. I don't remember what I said to him but I remember him telling me "No man, we let all ya'll down Sunday". He looked genuinely sorry that they hadn't been able to keep up with whoever it was the beat them. I told him that they didn't let anybody down and that things would get better.

Last night this group of Texans with a handful of exceptions genuinely let us down. I think of Jack Pardee's hyper-talented Oilers teams that didn't play up to their ability and that's what was on display last night. The previous 5 weeks it was mostly playing precise careful, winning football. Last night was undisciplined crap.
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I told my son after the first play and subsequent sack that this was going to be a long game. It just had that "feel" to it. You know the one as a Houston football fan. A talented team getting way too much hype from the local and national media, individual interviews with Watt, Schaub, Foster, and everyone patting them on the back as they jump on the bandwagon.

The Texans are obviously unable to handle the glaring spotlight of success right now.

They waltzed into to Reliant last night, chests puffed out - "hey 2-3 Packers, WE are the no. 1 power ranked team in the nation. We haven't lost a game this year!"

And the Packers got to work dismantling every aspect of this team. Offense. Defense. Special Teams. Coaching.

The Texans were dominated and humiliated on prime-time.

Now let's see what kind of heart and soul this team has after a serious week-long gut check.

Their performance against the Ravens will say more about Kubiak's "evolution" than anything else. All teams lose. But the good ones bounce back and let the loss inspire them to be better.

utahmark said:
16 and 7 over our last 23 games. 13 and 4 when our starting qb plays. Our recent history is anything but mediocre. We lost to a great team than needed to prove a point after starting out poorly. We were coming off a short week. Teams lose!
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yep. It was sad to see, but I'm still hopeful that this season has many great things to come.

I told my oldest son that they were due to lose before the game. I did not expect to see the 2006 Texans out there, tho'... :winky:

That had to be embarrassing for them. Let's hope that the Ravens get the brunt of it now.
 
Hervoyel said:
Last night really bothered me. I remember back in 2002 going to a signing event with Corey Bradford. There was a huge line and the Texans had just been beaten by somebody. I don't remember what I said to him but I remember him telling me "No man, we let all ya'll down Sunday". He looked genuinely sorry that they hadn't been able to keep up with whoever it was the beat them. I told him that they didn't let anybody down and that things would get better.

Last night this group of Texans with a handful of exceptions genuinely let us down. I think of Jack Pardee's hyper-talented Oilers teams that didn't play up to their ability and that's what was on display last night. The previous 5 weeks it was mostly playing precise careful, winning football. Last night was undisciplined crap.
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I chuckled when I read this because last night NBC played the old Houston Oilers #1 song while showing Bum Phillips in a suite. Hah to those memories. Man I miss that old song. :vincepalm:
 
Double Barrel said:
I think it's obvious: HIRE DOM!!! :fingergun:



I told my son after the first play and subsequent sack that this was going to be a long game. It just had that "feel" to it. You know the one as a Houston football fan. A talented team getting way too much hype from the local and national media, individual interviews with Watt, Schaub, Foster, and everyone patting them on the back as they jump on the bandwagon.

The Texans are obviously unable to handle the glaring spotlight of success right now.

They waltzed into to Reliant last night, chests puffed out - "hey 2-3 Packers, WE are the no. 1 power ranked team in the nation. We haven't lost a game this year!"

And the Packers got to work dismantling every aspect of this team. Offense. Defense. Special Teams. Coaching.

The Texans were dominated and humiliated on prime-time.

Now let's see what kind of heart and soul this team has after a serious week-long gut check.

Their performance against the Ravens will say more about Kubiak's "evolution" than anything else. All teams lose. But the good ones bounce back and let the loss inspire them to be better.



yep. It was sad to see, but I'm still hopeful that this season has many great things to come.

I told my oldest son that they were due to lose before the game. I did not expect to see the 2006 Texans out there, tho'... :winky:

That had to be embarrassing for them. Let's hope that the Ravens get the brunt of it now.
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As a rival fan, I admire the hell out of this post. I also believe your team was gutted by the loss of Cushing. Moving on now is critical on the defensive side f the ball. Watt was the only player winning his battles. Other key players, especially Joseph, were just torched.
 
Fire Kubiak!
Fire Phillips!
Cut Joseph!
Cut Shaub!
Cut Foster!

Just blow the whole thing up and start over!

Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

/sarcasm
 
buddyboy said:
I'm starting to wonder if there was any way short of going 16-0 that this thread/sentiment wouldn't have been brought up. It's shocking how one loss (as bad as it is) considering the level of talent and competition in the league can send people on tilt
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utahmark said:
16 and 7 over our last 23 games. 13 and 4 when our starting qb plays. Our recent history is anything but mediocre. We lost to a great team than needed to prove a point after starting out poorly. We were coming off a short week. Teams lose!
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No, no, you guys have it all wrong. 5-1, we fire Kubiak. We lost a game, for crying out loud! (We don't fire the DC who gave up 42 points... that wouldn't make sense.[IMGwidthsize=15]http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc366/PlagueEleven/Smileys/no.gif[/IMG])

The Giants should have fired Tom Coughlin last year when they lost the 3rd of 4 straight losses to the Saints 49-24. Moved their record to 6-5 on the way to 6-6. Stoopid Giants blew their chance at dumping Coughlin and ended up winning the Super Bowl. Dumbazzes.
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Also, look for the 49ers to be firing Jim Harbaugh this week after that humiliating 26-3 loss to New York. Bye bye, Jim
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... we should've fired you after losing to the lowly Vikings.

Bill Belichick is 3-3 after losing to Pete Carroll's rah-rah[IMGwidthsize=30]http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-cheer.gif[/IMG] Seahawks. He would have been fired years ago if he didn't have those compromising:photos:pictures of his owner Robert Kraft. I mean, geez, the Pats lost to the Cardinals in week 2.


Getting the hang of it, now? This is how edumecated Texans fans think. This is how the intelligencia of NFL fans think, modeled after the greatest fans in all of sport: the revered Philly fan. [IMGwidthsize=15]http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii17/Surinderjit/duncesmiley.gif[/IMG]
 
Double Barrel said:
I think it's obvious: HIRE DOM!!! :fingergun:



I told my son after the first play and subsequent sack that this was going to be a long game. It just had that "feel" to it. You know the one as a Houston football fan. A talented team getting way too much hype from the local and national media, individual interviews with Watt, Schaub, Foster, and everyone patting them on the back as they jump on the bandwagon.

The Texans are obviously unable to handle the glaring spotlight of success right now.

They waltzed into to Reliant last night, chests puffed out - "hey 2-3 Packers, WE are the no. 1 power ranked team in the nation. We haven't lost a game this year!"

And the Packers got to work dismantling every aspect of this team. Offense. Defense. Special Teams. Coaching.

The Texans were dominated and humiliated on prime-time.

Now let's see what kind of heart and soul this team has after a serious week-long gut check.

Their performance against the Ravens will say more about Kubiak's "evolution" than anything else. All teams lose. But the good ones bounce back and let the loss inspire them to be better.



yep. It was sad to see, but I'm still hopeful that this season has many great things to come.

I told my oldest son that they were due to lose before the game. I did not expect to see the 2006 Texans out there, tho'... :winky:

That had to be embarrassing for them. Let's hope that the Ravens get the brunt of it now.
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I went to bed after the 3rd touchdown by GB. And I never miss a game but you could just tell with this one. I've seen that waaaayy too many times as an old Oiler fan and Texan fan from the start. I just didn't want to subject myself to the pain of watching a primetime meltdown by the Texans.

I just hope they don't embarrass us on thanksgiving. The rest of the primetime games are on the road and tough. I don't expect them to beat the Patriots in December and maybe not the Bears on sunday night but please beat the Lions on turkey day. I don't want to spew out some long tirade of filth and break a tv in front of sleepy family members with full bellies.

It was only one game but it does reaffirm my belief that Kubiak in never going to get it as a head coach. No light is going to suddenly come on for this guy. I also realize he isn't going anywhere. But when that day finally does come in some distant future they need to send Rick Smith packing with him. I'm no fan of either.
 
utahmark said:
Baltimore will be next week.:boogie:
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I used to look at next weeks opponents, if they lost, I would be like, "damn!! they're going to give us 110%, especially if it were a "good" team."

I'm hoping the fans of other teams are saying the same thing about us. Not like when I look at Miami, I couldn't care less what happened to Miami the week before. They've never beat us, & most likely never will (watch.. this just jinxed us & Miami will beat us in our first play-off game this season).
 
I feel that our upcoming opponents' feelings of new-found confidence will quickly change to fear when they realize WE STILL WON THE TIME OF POSSESSION.:kitten:
 
utahmark said:
16 and 7 over our last 23 games. 13 and 4 when our starting qb plays. Our recent history is anything but mediocre. We lost to a great team than needed to prove a point after starting out poorly. We were coming off a short week. Teams lose!
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That's ridiculous. They need to clean house. Nobody is safe.
 
Oh look, it's this thread again. Sometimes I think that Texans fans are a bunch of immature little kids in adult's bodies who can't be rational after a loss, but then I read Texanstalk and... wait, nope I'm right.
 
We were going to lose at some point. It's a pisser that it was such a horrible loss in a game we probably should have and could have won. But the Packers are still a really good team despite having a meltdown against the Colts and getting jobbed against the Seahawks.

The loss of Cush really hurt us. Hopefully, Wade can figure out a way to make this work because right now, it's not working.

And we need to get back to doing what we do on the offensive side of the ball. We need to settle down and start pounding the rock.

But it's just a game. We might lose the next one, too. It's going to be a tough game but it's a winnable game. We need to get the ship righted.
 
Goatcheese said:
Oh look, it's this thread again. Sometimes I think that Texans fans are a bunch of immature little kids in adult's bodies who can't be rational after a loss, but then I read Texanstalk and... wait, nope I'm right.
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HAHA! You speak the truth.

I am simply amazed to come to he board and see this thread. It's too comical to feel ashamed, so I'll stick with amazed.

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Goatcheese said:
Oh look, it's this thread again. Sometimes I think that Texans fans are a bunch of immature little kids in adult's bodies who can't be rational after a loss, but then I read Texanstalk and... wait, nope I'm right.
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Don't go into gameday threads when the team is losing. It's the worst. People are running around with their hair on fire eating babies and kicking puppies.
 
IlliniJen said:
Don't go into gameday threads when the team is losing. It's the worst. People are running around with their hair on fire eating babies and kicking puppies.
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People are running around with their hair on fire, eating babies and kicking puppies when we're ahead a lot of times in those threads.

They're great to go back and read after a win.

After a loss, I leave them be.
 
toronto said:
Tonight's one game had little to do with adjustments and everything to do with terrible discipline. The offside call on the punt is inexcusable. That's for starters.

No disrespect, but you get a swelled head after starting 5-0 and deservedly so, but in the last week two things happened...

You lost your best defensive player
They're were pissed off like hell and played like the top contending team they are supposed to be.

This is still a 12-4 team that, if they can beat Baltimore, has a potential lock on home field throughout the playoffs. Next weeks game for your team is a much bigger test, and it tlooks like they too, will be missing their heart and soul if Rey Rey is gone...

It happens. I'm sure 49er fans feel the same way tonight too.
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There's no room for sane reasoning here. One must hate on the head coach or else. :kitten:
 
steelbtexan said:
Good news for the Texans is that Rodgers wont be playing QB against them this week.
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Very good news!

I agree with some of the posters that mentioned the overuse of man defense in the game. We needed to drop into more zone coverages and hammer on those guys and slow them down a little. It was a good learning experience and something I'm sure they'll recognize in film study.

My larger concern was the inability to run the ball. Not only that but GB seemed to know exactly when it was a run and when it was play action... I have to believe they picked up a key on one of the linemen, or something. Only the straight drop back passes ever seemed to catch the Pack off guard... that was odd...

Let's see how the team responds. Remember, we had a short turn around, after the Monday night game and the defense had to adjust to Cushing's loss... It was predictable that they were going to struggle. The offense needs to step up and lead the team to a win this week and give the defense a chance to reorganize over the bye and fully prepare to continue without Cushing.
 
dalemurphy said:
Very good news!

I agree with some of the posters that mentioned the overuse of man defense in the game. We needed to drop into more zone coverages and hammer on those guys and slow them down a little. It was a good learning experience and something I'm sure they'll recognize in film study.

My larger concern was the inability to run the ball. Not only that but GB seemed to know exactly when it was a run and when it was play action... I have to believe they picked up a key on one of the linemen, or something. Only the straight drop back passes ever seemed to catch the Pack off guard... that was odd...

Let's see how the team responds. Remember, we had a short turn around, after the Monday night game and the defense had to adjust to Cushing's loss... It was predictable that they were going to struggle. The offense needs to step up and lead the team to a win this week and give the defense a chance to reorganize over the bye and fully prepare to continue without Cushing.
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This post expressed my thoughts better than I could have myself.

I still think they need a vertical threat opposite AJ to help loosen things up in the run game, especially against good teams.
 
What I don't understand is "FIRE KUBIAK" after a game we lost because our defense gave up a gazillion points. Sure the offense was mediocre, but the defense was flat out bad. If you're going to call for somebody's head after that melt down wouldn't it be Son of Bum?

Of course nobody went there, because firing a coach over one game would be crazy... ahem.
 
steelbtexan said:
This post expressed my thoughts better than I could have myself.

I still think they need a vertical threat opposite AJ to help loosen things up in the run game, especially against good teams.
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Agreed... However, while it is early to have certainty, I believe Lestar Jean can fill this role very well... I also think Martin adds an explosive dynamic that is very useful in the slot. He just needs to be more consistent. So, I feel good about it. I think this team did not know how to respond to trailing by multiple scores late in the game and, therefore, reacted poorly. It was a good experience for them. We can not expect to simply manage the game constantly in the lead, especially against some of the better teams.

I'm hopeful we see some improvement this week. I certainly hope to see Lestar Jean stretching the field some this week. Let's keep an eye on how many snaps he has with AJ... versus replacing him.
 
Perki-Perk said:
Fire Kubiak!
Fire Phillips!
Cut Joseph!
Cut Shaub!
Cut Foster!

Just blow the whole thing up and start over!

Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!!!

/sarcasm
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6-1 and the loss was to the packers :panic:


The texan's head just got to big, it needed to be deflated... can't wait for the ravens this week we're gonna play angry!
 
dalemurphy said:
Agreed... However, while it is early to have certainty, I believe Lestar Jean can fill this role very well... I also think Martin adds an explosive dynamic that is very useful in the slot. He just needs to be more consistent. So, I feel good about it. I think this team did not know how to respond to trailing by multiple scores late in the game and, therefore, reacted poorly. It was a good experience for them. We can not expect to simply manage the game constantly in the lead, especially against some of the better teams.

I'm hopeful we see some improvement this week. I certainly hope to see Lestar Jean stretching the field some this week. Let's keep an eye on how many snaps he has with AJ... versus replacing him.
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Jeans inability to stay healthy bothers me. Martin is a player. Perfect slot guy/KR/PR.

The defense really missed Cushings intensity/leadership when things got tough. Much more than I thought they would.
 
Why is this thread still alive? Oh right, dumbasses like me keep posting in it.

Please for the love of God lock this thread. Fire Kubiak after starting 5-1? This is embarrassing for our fan base.
 
SCOTTexans said:
6-1 and the loss was to the packers :panic:


The texan's head just got to big, it needed to be deflated... can't wait for the ravens this week we're gonna play angry!
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The 49ers have never lost back to back games since Harbaugh got there. Granted, they've only had 4 opportunities to date, but it's still an interesting stat. I've got a personal criteria for judging good teams. Good teams do not lose three in a row.

Not losing back to back games over a 24 game period.... that's elite.
 
I think we need to fire kubiak ASAP and rehire capers because its clear that he can right this sinking ship. We are 5-1. I'd rather be 6-0 but ill take it. Kubiak is not bill Walsh but we could be in worse situations so calm the Phuket down people.
 
I saw it coming. As soon as AJ caught that ball into FG territory, I knew Kubes was gonna go ultra conservative. Why not keep attacking for a better percentage FG? We had 2 timeouts. I know I wasn't the only one who saw that coming. Someone back me up here. Settling for a long FG even pre-false start.
 
TEXANRED said:
Why is this thread still alive? Oh right, dumbasses like me keep posting in it.

Please for the love of God lock this thread. Fire Kubiak after starting 9-1? This is embarrassing for our fan base.
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Fixed it for ya. F'king bunch of morons.
 
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