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The All Encompassing FIRE KUBIAK & REPLACEMENT thread II
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You would think we would have learned change is not always good.
1st change under Gruden - Michael Vick.
houstonspartan
All Pro
Considering that IAH is one of the largest airports on the planet earth, this is not surprising. Dude could have been connecting to another flight.
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Not even close, the Raiders were knocking on the door when Gruden left. Hell, if not for the stupid Tuck rule, I think Gruden would have gotten there in Oak as well
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
A couple of years ago I talked with a guy who played under Gruden at Tampa Bay. He said that most of the players "managed to put up with him...and that's about it. He was kind of a hard-ass."
He went on to say "we wanted to like him, because he knew football. And he could have a good sense of humor. But he was really full of himself."
Gruden wouldn't be high on my wish list. But I do think his time at ESPN would help him if he coaches again. Might make him less of a "hard-ass."
He went on to say "we wanted to like him, because he knew football. And he could have a good sense of humor. But he was really full of himself."
Gruden wouldn't be high on my wish list. But I do think his time at ESPN would help him if he coaches again. Might make him less of a "hard-ass."
At 2-9 change is not only a good thing, it's necessary if you want a winning team. A hardass would be a good fit for this team. Rather than the players coach softy/country club mentality that currently exists.
No to Jon Gruden, Yes to Jay Gruden, Jay has more fire and is an offensive mind, as well as being a hardass.
I garuntee you one thing Jay Gruden wouldn't be having an elective surgery during the combine after a glorious non playoff 9-7 season.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Man you go straight to spin everything once you decide not to like someone. Clearly you can guarantee no such thing. Calling Kubiak's two surgeries elective is a joke. Correcting sleep apnea is not cosmetic surgery. And duh, surgery would best be done in the off-season.
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Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
On that subject , I wonder if his one condition somehow led to the other ? I don't think anyone has ever questioned Kubiak's work ethic .
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Looks like the typical Kubiak apologists are still reaching to make it seem like this guy hasn't been a total embarrassing disaster here for the last 8 years. I find it amusing that people actually credit him for the first playoff season when it was Wade's defense that caused that all season when Yates was throwing check downs all season long and there was hardly any offense. Hell, if it wasn't for Mcnair Kubiak would have still kept Smith for another year. Lol!
Sorry guys, but all of those arguments for Kubiak over the years have all but failed over and over again. We're a worse team now then what we were in Dom Capers last season. I always found it funny that Kubiak's disciples in here would bash Capers on and on, but at the same time excuse and put Gary on a pedastool. Capers had some horrid seasons, but he had Carr and company and an expansion team he inherited with no Oline. Kubiak's had a ton of talent for several years and ran this team into the ground as if he was driving a jet 500 miles per hour into the ground.
Sorry guys, but all of those arguments for Kubiak over the years have all but failed over and over again. We're a worse team now then what we were in Dom Capers last season. I always found it funny that Kubiak's disciples in here would bash Capers on and on, but at the same time excuse and put Gary on a pedastool. Capers had some horrid seasons, but he had Carr and company and an expansion team he inherited with no Oline. Kubiak's had a ton of talent for several years and ran this team into the ground as if he was driving a jet 500 miles per hour into the ground.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
This is such hateful bile... Exactly what defies logic. After taking that same disaster under capers and starting 0-4 with them in 2006, Texan fans did not root for a losing team in any season other than 2010 and this season. While those are not championship credentials, it also isn't "driving a jet 500 miles per hour into the ground". Also, why do you need everyone to hate Kubiak? Nobody is arguing for Kubiak to stay next year. So, what is this obsession with "apologists"? I have been marked as a Kubiak apologist, which is fine, but even I have blamed this disastrous season primarily on Kubiak's miscalculations and coaching limitations. So, what is it that you need exactly?
Section516
Warrior
taniaganguli Tania Ganguli
"@TravHaneyESPN: In recent days, I'd heard Aggies were more concerned about losing Sumlin to Texans than USC."
"@TravHaneyESPN: In recent days, I'd heard Aggies were more concerned about losing Sumlin to Texans than USC."
Just what the fans want another Aggie who has never even won a confrence championship in COLLEGE.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
My impression of Sumlin is that he could be a very good NFL coach... I have concerns about how quickly he would successfully adapt his offense to the NFL. Mostly, though, I worry about what his defensive staff would look like. The day he would be hired, though, I would primarily experience optimism.
The offseason, after the combine.
I cant garuntee anything. But do you think Gruden would've had the surgery? Be honest.
How did I spin anything? Nice try counselor. Sorry the Gary thing didn't work out. Both of us wanted it to work out. Only one of us are being honest with ourselves.
A crawl on ABC, just said that sumlin has agreed to a new 6 year contract with the Aggies
Good for you and another 8 yrs of mental masturbation.
It doesn't bother you that Sumlin has never won anything despite having 2 of the greatest college QB's in NCAA history. (He didn't recruit either of them)
You really want Sumlin to lead a pro team? Give me Jay Gruden or Zimmer, people that have proven themselves in the NFL. As opposed to a guy that hasn't even proven he can win big at the college level.
Maybe winning isn't your, or BoB's #1 priority.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I honestly don't know what Gruden would do and neither do you. You claiming to know is spinning and being dishonest with yourself.
Great rebuttal,
How many other HC's do you know that have missed the combine for an elective surgery? History may be on my side on this one.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
First off, not all HCs attend the combine. History is definitely on my side on this one. Every year there is reporting on which HCs are at the combine and at which sessions.
Second, I have no idea and once again neither do you. You are making things up.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
Can you explain the infatuation with Jay Gruden? What exactly has he proven in the NFL? I agree that Zimmer has the track record and deserves HC consideration somewhere.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
No, I don't either. His stubbornness has always been his biggest issue, He refuses to adapt to what he has and what he is up against.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Don't mind him, it's just a name he's latched onto for some reason.
Oh yeah, Cincinnati Bengals---the gold standard for offense in the NFL since 2011.
I'm glad that college gimmick guy Sumlin isn't "in the running" anymore. I want a coach to take us to the next level. College guy ain't gonna do that. That's a guy you could roll the dice on for a rebuild. We're not rebuilding. We're attempting to do what the Chargers tried when they fired Schottenheimer. Let's hope we have more success with the next guy than they had with Norv Turner.
Oh yeah, Cincinnati Bengals---the gold standard for offense in the NFL since 2011.
I'm glad that college gimmick guy Sumlin isn't "in the running" anymore. I want a coach to take us to the next level. College guy ain't gonna do that. That's a guy you could roll the dice on for a rebuild. We're not rebuilding. We're attempting to do what the Chargers tried when they fired Schottenheimer. Let's hope we have more success with the next guy than they had with Norv Turner.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
A&M can keep Sumlin.
His decision a little while ago to punt with only 2 minutes remaining, and down 7, on the road (at Missouri), was insane...
His decision a little while ago to punt with only 2 minutes remaining, and down 7, on the road (at Missouri), was insane...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It is his first year as DC. Why would you think him ready to be HC?
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
I stopped reading as soon as Kareem Jackson headed the list of draft failures.
I think Seattle's defense is excellent and would love to model the Texans after their success. I would like to see us go back to the 4-3 and I would like to see us get a coach who is going to maximize our biggest strength - JJ Watt and the potential of our DL. He is a DL guy by training.
He was an assistant HC under Jim Mora so I think he has enough NFL experience to be successful.
The last thing is that Seattle clearly has a lot of success due to their secondary. I'd love a guy who plays to our strengths but looks to develop our weaknesses. He seems to value both (no proof of this except for the performance -- I don't know how much of this is him vs Carol)
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Pete Carrol?!?!
Not that guy, he is a huge failure as an NFL head coach.
That is what people were saying when Carrol was hired by Seattle.
Tolar's Ghost
Waterboy
Mike Tomlin was an OC for only a year (with the Vikings in 2006) before being named the Steelers' head coach in '07.
He hasn't done badly.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You would be hard pressed to find a more unique circumstance for a new HC. He inherited a SB winning team (don't go there on the 2006 season - Big Ben had his motorcycle wreck and a miserable year) and a full staff and continuing administration. Hard to extend that to ordinary circumstances.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
Now this is some great reasoning. Something tells me you could find something to b*tch about no matter the circumstances.
Good stuff bro... thanks for the laugh. I too consider undead HC's creepy.
Hilarious... Never seen that either. Thanks for sharing.
+100 for the funny way you added the Sir Mixalot lyrics in there. I agree it is time to move on and try something different.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
What about Jack Del Rio? I think he would make a good coach. Great defenses without the gimmicks, and he would start with more talent here than he did with JAX. Plus he's been in the game without a commentary hiatus to make you soft.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Of course I would. What's your point?
Do you like Cincy's offense? I do
Gruden appears to have some of the WC offenses princeples. (Not all) He is more modern and less conservative with his game plan/play calling than Kubiak and has helped in the development of Dalton. Who I consider to be a younger version of Schaub.
If Gary has final say on who makes the roster, Then the least he could do would be to show up at the combine. (Atleast somebody who puts winning 1st would.)
sometexansfan
Blue Bomber
I'm not quite sure about a HC candidate yet, but as far as DC's go, the Jets seem to be imploding once again...
Would love to have Rex as DC.
Wow, you are really hung up on this. Do you think that all successful coaches go to the combine every year? And to all the college workouts too? Half Scout/half coach?
Can't you find a different reason to hate? This one is old and stale
Dismiss it if you want, but you would think the guy who has control over the roster would make it a priority to be at the combine. The fact that the Texans were trumpeting a 9-7 season as some kid of benchmark and finishe 6-10 the next yr told me all I needed to know about BoB/Rick/Gary and the rest of the crew. Style over substance and very little has been done to change my mind.
Did you really feel like the Texans were a SB contender the last 2 yrs? If so, this is where we disagree.
Maybe I expect too much out of the leader of the on the field product. You knw, like doing everything in his power to put the best team possible on the field. Clearly Gary didn't do this and rightly should pay/have paid with his job 4-5 yrs ago.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
How about you provide some examples of teams who did not celebrate their first winning season or first one under a new regime?
No, I didn't. I thought they were a contender to make it thru the divisional round.
I don't think that him being at the combine in person would have made any difference however
I dont keep up with other teams. Do you?
Except when it comes time for the TT Mock Draft. Yeah Baby
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