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The Actual and Real 2017 Texans Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

bah007 said:
Next four after Kiwi:

3 (71) LA Chargers - @htownfan32
3 (72) New England - @xtruroyaltyx
3 (73) Cincinnati - @mussop
3 (74) Philadelphia - @beerlover

Wouldn't be a bad idea to PM somebody with a short list just in case you might not be around.
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Sent you and Lucky a PM on the Raiders pick later on. It's likely I'll make my pick within 15 minutes after the pick before them. If not, y'all go ahead and make the pick from my list. At least one will be available.
 
bah007 said:
Per PM from @steelbtexan,

With the 69th pick the Rams select Chris Godwin - WR, Penn St.

@kiwitexansfan is on the clock for the Jets until 2:50 PM.
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This is a great pick. This is a really good WR class. Going to be a lot of value in 3rd and 4th rounds. I think Godwin is as close to a sure thing to be a perennial 1000 yd receiver as you can get. To get that kind of reliability in the 3rd roundd is crazy.
 
With their 3rd round selection the NY Jets select:

Adam Shaheen, TE, Ashland Great Lakes

Bottom Line
Big, fast and athletic, Shaheen will immediately interest teams who are looking for size and traits. He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame, but he's also a much more dangerous pass catching target. The jump in competition will be substantial and teams will expect him to become a more consistent blocker, but he's a pass catching tight end in a Y-tight end's body. Shaheen has starting potential with an ability to impact a passing game early in his career.


Basically with Petty and Hack the future in NY, we need a comfort blanket for them.
 
La Chargers pick Josh Jones, Safety, NC State.

With the departure of Eric Weddle, the Chargers are in need of some secondary help. With the CB pick in the first round and a safety pick here early in the third, the Chargers plan on giving their pass rush with Joey Bosa the extra second of coverage they need to get to the opposing QB.
 
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mussop said:
Sorry guys anyone got an updated Big Board?
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These are the top 10 left on my board

Carl Lawson Auburn EDGE
Montravius Adams Auburn DL3T
Teez Tabor Florida CB
Zay Jones East Carolina WRF
Davon Godchaux LSU DL5T
Cooper Kupp E Washington WRF
Curtis Samuel Ohio St WRS
Dalvin Tomlinson Alabama DL3T
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma WRS
Elijah Qualls Washington DL1T
 
Lucky said:
Next 5 picks:

3 (73) Cincinnati - @mussop - on the clock
3 (74) Philadelphia - @beerlover -
3 (75) Buffalo - @bah007 -
3 (76) New Orleans - @austins23 -
3 (77) Arizona - @Shishkabob -
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Ravens just traded Timmy Jernigan to the Eagles in a 3rd round pick swap. Could we swap (74) Philadelphia with (99) Baltimore?

I know that's going to be tough on @TexansFTW since he wouldn't be expecting to be on deck all of a sudden but thought I'd at least throw it out there.

@beerlover thoughts?
 
kiwitexansfan said:
These are the top 10 left on my board

Carl Lawson Auburn EDGE
Montravius Adams Auburn DL3T
Teez Tabor Florida CB
Zay Jones East Carolina WRF
Davon Godchaux LSU DL5T
Cooper Kupp E Washington WRF
Curtis Samuel Ohio St WRS
Dalvin Tomlinson Alabama DL3T
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma WRS
Elijah Qualls Washington DL1T
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Are you sure M Adams and Z Jones are still available???
 
kiwitexansfan said:
These are the top 10 left on my board

Carl Lawson Auburn EDGE
Montravius Adams Auburn DL3T
Teez Tabor Florida CB
Zay Jones East Carolina WRF
Davon Godchaux LSU DL5T
Cooper Kupp E Washington WRF
Curtis Samuel Ohio St WRS
Dalvin Tomlinson Alabama DL3T
Dede Westbrook Oklahoma WRS
Elijah Qualls Washington DL1T
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Somebody is going to get a steal with Samuel if he goes this late in the draft.

Lots of starting quality talent still available.
 
mussop said:
I wanted say Jones because he would be great opposite of green but at this point Adams is a perfect fit Cincinnati in my opinion.
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I've got 3 guys on my short list for the Raiders and Adams was on it. Throughout the day, he became my favorite. So....

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I guess I missed my pick. What happened? What trade are y'all talking about?

I leave most of my stuff on my work CPU that has my "Big board". I checked it at around 3 and assumed I had minimum 12-24 hours.

I apologize and know this looks bad on me as I've been defending those that miss picks and then I miss a pick...
 
TexansFTW said:
I guess I missed my pick. What happened? What trade are y'all talking about?

I leave most of my stuff on my work CPU that has my "Big board". I checked it at around 3 and assumed I had minimum 12-24 hours.

I apologize and know this looks bad on me as I've been defending those that miss picks and then I miss a pick...
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Ravens moved up 25 spots in the draft by trading Jerrigan. Nobody saw that coming.
 
TexansFTW said:
I guess I missed my pick. What happened? What trade are y'all talking about?

I leave most of my stuff on my work CPU that has my "Big board". I checked it at around 3 and assumed I had minimum 12-24 hours.

I apologize and know this looks bad on me as I've been defending those that miss picks and then I miss a pick...
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The Eagles swapped 3rd round picks with the Ravens in a trade today. It happened right before that pick went live in the mock so we decided to incorporate it into the mock. Eagles traded pick #74 to Ravens for pick #99 and Timmy Jernigan.

And, IMO, you didn't miss your pick. Technically the 4 hours expired but I'm not pressing on that as you literally got zero warning and were thrown onto the clock because of a live event that happened outside the mock (we were on pick #73 when it happened).
 
I understand. Well, thank you for your leniency.

I didn't see that coming and that must've happened like right as I left work for the day.

Obviously I now need to replace Jernigan, but I have my board at work and don't really know what to do on the fly, I'm not as good as some of yall and can just drop it from my brain.

That said, I assumed I was going to have a decent Defensive Line going into this draft and I know this might annoy people, but I love the talent of Fabian Moreau - UCLA and was sneakily thinking of grabbing him with my next pick if he slid that far.

I read a couple days ago he has a real good shot of being ready for preseason, therefore I think an arguable first round pick sliding to the 3rd is a good price, even if I already got one in the 2nd. I feel like you can't have enough DBs in today's NFL when you have teams constantly running 3 and 4 wide on offense.

Sorry for the hold up.

Fabian Moreau - CB - 6'0" - 206 lbs. - UCLA

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TexansFTW said:
I guess I missed my pick. What happened? What trade are y'all talking about?

I leave most of my stuff on my work CPU that has my "Big board". I checked it at around 3 and assumed I had minimum 12-24 hours.

I apologize and know this looks bad on me as I've been defending those that miss picks and then I miss a pick...
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No worries at all. This was a unique situation that is not in the slightest on you.

I'm glad we got that trade into the mock though.
 
with the 77th pick the Arizona Cardinals take Davis Webb- QB Cal.

Arians said he believe only oneed QB in this draft can start right away luckily for him he doesn't need someone to start right away, but someone who can start in a year or two. Webb is a big strong armed kid who throws with ease, fresh off of winning the Senior Bowl MVP, like Dak and Derek. Smart kid, coaches son, oh and did I mention he broke a lot of Goffs single season records with a lot less talent. Honestly I flip flop back and forth with Webb and Peterman, but I just feel like Arians wants a big QB with a cannon to lead his deep threat offense.

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LZ on Davis Webb:

NFL Comparison
Brock Osweiler

Bottom Line
System quarterback with more than 65 percent of his attempts coming inside of 10 yards. Webb has enough raw talent to be considered a developmental prospect, but his decision-making and accuracy issues beyond 10 yards is a big red flag that might be tough to overcome in the NFL.

Anytime you get compared to The Brockening, I'm out.
 
The Jernigan loss still has me a bit thrown off. Ravens trying to be like Patriots I guess, just lacking all of the post season success.

So now the biggest needs that I am currently seeing are an OLB / Edge to replace Elvis Dumervil, RT (LT) to replace Wagner, LDE (DT) to replace Jernigan, and sometimes if a great talent slips to far I might go that direction too...

With that said, it's clear that I need a 3rd CB so with the 78th pick I select... NOT a CB.

Carl Lawson - DE / Edge - 6'2" - 261 lbs - Auburn

CLaw possesses many of the tools that a lot of teams look for, and he played against some big time talent in his time in college and had success. That said, he also doesn't have the most desired height and length as can be seen by his 0 passes deflected that I read somewhere last night, and he also has a lengthy injury history. That all said, he's the BPA on my board, he addresses a serious need, and he has been recommended to me by a trusted draft adviser. Stay healthy Carl, we got Steelers to sack.

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Former 1st round pick, Shariff Floyd’s career may be over because of injury making DT their 2nd biggest need.

Vikings select DT Larry Ogunjobi

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He’s thick everywhere, has the athleticism, quickness and explosion to get after the QB but needs work with his technique. Compared to a ‘raw version of Sheldon Rankins’ with measurables very similar to Floyd.

@jradMIT is on the clock (3 (80) Indianapolis)
@Lucky is on deck (3 (81) Washington)
 
WolverineFan said:
The Eagles swapped 3rd round picks with the Ravens in a trade today. It happened right before that pick went live in the mock so we decided to incorporate it into the mock. Eagles traded pick #74 to Ravens for pick #99 and Timmy Jernigan.

And, IMO, you didn't miss your pick. Technically the 4 hours expired but I'm not pressing on that as you literally got zero warning and were thrown onto the clock because of a live event that happened outside the mock (we were on pick #73 when it happened).
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Baltimore was able to move up 25 spots in the third-round and get some value back for Jernigan, who was entering his final year under contract. The Ravens still have two third round picks, 74th overall and 78th overall.


The Ravens who have mastered the compensatory pick system, benefitted from the new rule which allows teams to trade comp picks. The 99th overall pick was one of the comp picks Baltimore received this off-season.
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I missed that until I saw this - now comps can be traded making them even more valuable now.
 
Indy is ecstatic to get this guy in the third round. The pick is in, Indy selects Alvin Kamara RB - Tennessee

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Pff

Name: Alvin Kamara

School: Tennessee

Position fit: Running back

Stats to know: Tied with Dalvin Cook for the highest elusive rating in the 2017 RB draft class. Forced 23 missed tackles on just 40 receptions, the highest rate in the draft class.

What he does best:

  • Shifty runner, one of the better runners laterally in the draft class.
  • Slips off tackles with ease.
  • Strings together moves in the open field.
  • Gets skinny through tight gaps very well.
  • Was able to produce behind a bad offensive line that featured below-average run-blocking grades by all nine linemen with at least 30 run-blocking snaps.
  • One of the best running backs after the catch coming out of the backfield in the draft class. Ranked third with 2.4 yards per route run.
  • Forced 90 missed tackles on 284 touches over last two years, a strong rate of one every 3.2 touches.
Biggest concerns:

  • Not overly powerful as a runner, won’t move piles often at his current weight.
  • Did not have a big workload. Carried the ball 15-plus times in a game just five times in two years. 14 games with fewer than 10 carries. Can also be viewed as a positive.
  • Not a lot of experience in pass pro with his utilization as a receiver, stayed in on less than 25 percent of passing plays.
  • Allowed seven pressures on 93 snaps in pass protection.
Bottom line: Unlike the other top running backs in the draft class, Kamara doesn’t have nearly as much volume of production due to splitting playing time and a knee injury. When Kamara was given the ball though, he was nothing short of electric. He excels at making defenders miss, both in the open field and in tight spaces. He sets up downfield blocks and sees downfield cutback lanes, and shows the ability to actually make those cuts athletically. He had to deal with a poor offensive line to make the most out of what he had, and was still very productive as a runner. As a receiver, Kamara is excellent after the catch and still stands out in a strong class of receiving running backs. While he isn’t great at pass protection, at the very least he could step in immediately as a receiving back and make a significant contribution, but is also capable of being a No. 1 back right away as long as he can handle the increased workload.

NFL.com

OVERVIEW

One of the top high school running backs in the country as a high school senior, Kamara went to Alabama to be the next big thing. A preseason knee injury forced him to redshirt, however. He was also suspended for the Sugar Bowl and not on the sideline for the team's game against LSU for "behavioral reasons." Kamara left Alabama in January, but found trouble again a month later in his hometown (Norcross, GA) with a traffic arrest. He suited up for Hutchinson Community College in 2014, winning conference offensive player of the year (1,211 yards, 21 TD). Given a second chance in the SEC by Tennessee, Kamara averaged 6.5 yards per carry as a reserve in 2015 (107-698, 7 TD; 34-291, TD receiving). He was impressive again as a junior, running for 596 yards and nine scores on only 103 carries (40-392, 4 TD receiving), though he missed time with a sprained left knee (LCL, meniscus).

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Spirited runner with NFL size and speed. Will open creases by varying pace of his runs. Burst to top speed is available at flip of a switch. Creates yardage with speed, wiggle and power. Twitchy and decisive. Strong lower body provides superior balance. Flexible and agile with ability to twist, spin and ricochet off of bodies and continue to gain yards after contact. Very productive; 23 touchdowns in just 284 touches at Tennessee. Well-liked inside program and a team leader. Can play on all three downs. Improved in pass protection and squares up blitzers. Has lined up at slot receiver at times. Sure-handed pass catcher with excellent burst out of breaks to consistently uncover. Has talent as punt returner.
WEAKNESSES
Vision can be hit or miss. Not an instinctive runner. Needs to see running lane develop and is missing a feel for reading progressions of his blocks. Makes inconsistent decisions on stretch plays. Can be his own worst enemy on third level. Will run himself into a tackler rather than setting him up for a downfield blocker. Consistently cuts left when given an open-field choice against tackler. With knee injuries in his background, combine medicals could come into play. Needs to tuck ball high and tight to prevent fumbles.
NFL COMPARISON
Thomas Jones
BOTTOM LINE
Ascending, competitive runner who has flashed explosive NFL talent at various times over the last two seasons. A committed runner with excellent balance who finds yardage that isn't blocked for him. While he has never logged 20 carries in a single game, he has the talent to play on all three downs if he can prove his durability.


After starting his career at Alabama and transferring to a junior college, Kamara finally got the opportunity to showcase the talents that made him one of the top high school Running Backs in the country when he came to Tennessee. Kamara was never the feature back in Knoxville. Tennessee's offense featured Jalen Hurd in 2015 and a portion of 2016. On top of that, Tennessee's offense runs heavy read-option, where mobile quarterback took a lot of carries.

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Despite playing behind Hurd, Kamara made a major impact, averaging 6.5 yards per carry and scoring seven touchdowns in 2015, and averaged 5.79 yards per carry and scored nine times this past season. Kamara is incredibly talented. He's quick out of the backfield. Once he's at the line of scrimmage, he can turn on the jets and accelerate. He's shifty, strong and can evade defenders. Best of all, he's got a great change of direction. He can plant, cut, and then reaccelerate, unlike many backs coming out, who have trouble getting moving again.

In the passing game, he's used all over the field. He can line up in the slot or be a receiver out of the backfield. He shows willingness and talent as a pass blocker.

Sometimes his explosiveness can get him into trouble. He needs to develop more patience when he's running. Sometimes he can find and hit the holes, but other times, he runs into piles and bodies before something can develop, or even miss something that is developing elsewhere. Much of this though, can be fixed by seeing more in-game action. As mentioned, he was never the starter for a full season, so more reps and gameplay can help in this aspect.

There's a lot to be excited about with Kamara. He has everything a team could want out of a 3 down running back. Plus, as a huge bonus, he has light tread on the tires (only 210 carries and 74 receptions the past two years). He has vision/patience problems, but as mentioned, these are things that could be fixed over time with more reps. He has suffered some injuries to his knees, but recent success of NFL players have shown they can be fixed as long as they are not super severe/career threatening.

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He's established himself firmly as a Day 2 pick in the draft, and would likely be competing for late first round if he saw more on field action and had greater statistical success during his career.

NFL Comparison: Paul Perkins (New York Giants)

Strengths
- Quickness, Acceleration, Speed
- Change of direction
- Receiving Ability

Weaknesses
- Inconsistent Vision
- Lacks patience as a runner

 
With the 81st pick in the TT Mock Draft the Washington Redskins select Justin Evans, Safety Texas A&M

Via PM by Lucky
 
I've got Mussops pick

I'm going to be leaving the office about 1:00 so hopefully Cak makes his pick by then. I will check in by phone around 1:30
 
Cak did make a post a page or so back about Malik McDowell. He's off the board. I'm not sure if Cak was making that post as a pick or not?
 
bah007 said:
Cak did make a post a page or so back about Malik McDowell. He's off the board. I'm not sure if Cak was making that post as a pick or not?
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We may need to pick for him Suggestions?

CB- Jalen Myrick- Cam Sutton- Howard Wilson
DT/DE - Nzir Jones
RB- Kareem Hunt

Would be my choices, whatever the majority says put me in agreement with whatever the majority is if one of those guys are an option.
 
steelbtexan said:
We may need to pick for him Suggestions?

CB- Jalen Myrick- Cam Sutton- Howard Wilson
DT/DE - Nzir Jones
RB- Kareem Hunt

Would be my choices, whatever the majority says put me in agreement with whatever the majority is if one of those guys are an option.
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Denver has landed Bolles and Mixon in the first two rounds. I'm thinking top DL or top CB available. Elijah Qualls or Jalen Myrick?
 
steelbtexan said:
We may need to pick for him Suggestions?

CB- Jalen Myrick- Cam Sutton- Howard Wilson
DT/DE - Nzir Jones
RB- Kareem Hunt

Would be my choices, whatever the majority says put me in agreement with whatever the majority is if one of those guys are an option.
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He posted six minutes ahead of you... do you have Cak blocked?
 
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