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The Actual And Real 2016 Texans' Talk Mock Draft Extravaganza

I personally would like there to be a bit more discussion for the Texans picks... let's list our options at least. Have to think about value and what we do going forward as well.
 
JB said:
I'm torn between Cravens, Cash and Nick Martin for the Texans in round 2. Martin is supposed to be better than his brother and would solidify the position for years... compares to Alex Mack
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The Texans should love Martin too.

10 yr starter and can play anywhere along the OL just like his brother.
 
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infantrycak said:
I see no reason why not. Turn out is pretty good on votes already.

The big morning guys are Marshall and Texian and they're both in.
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There's The Pencil Neck, who won't wake up for a while. TexansSeminole and a handful of others.
 
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JB said:
I'm torn between Cravens, Cash and Nick Martin for the Texans in round 2. Martin is supposed to be better than his brother and would solidify the position for years... compares to Alex Mack
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Martin is good, but he's not better than Zack. Not even close. That's not to disparage his talent, but Zack was a top 5 OG in the league as a rookie. He's elite. Nick is good, but he's not that good. If he was elite like Zack he'd be getting top 10 hype like he did instead of being graded as a 2nd rounder. I think he's definitely in play for this pick, just pointing out that he's not on the same level as his brother.

As for Safety, I prefer Darian Thompson over both Cash and Cravens because he can cover while both of those guys are primarily box players.
 
WolverineFan said:
Martin is good, but he's not better than Zack. Not even close. That's not to disparage his talent, but Zack was a top 5 OG in the league as a rookie. He's elite. Nick is good, but he's not that good. If he was elite like Zack he'd be getting top 10 hype like he did instead of being graded as a 2nd rounder. I think he's definitely in play for this pick, just pointing out that he's not on the same level as his brother.

As for Safety, I prefer Darian Thompson over both Cash and Cravens because he can cover while both of those guys are primarily box players.
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saved me alot of typing.
 
My vote goes to Fuller. I really like his game and he gets into the endzone. He also did it under a handful of QBs, which I think is impressive.

Shepard is also a good player but I like Fuller's ability to make the big play more.

I also like Cash, I think he's really solid around the LOS, I just worry about his deep pass defense in the NFL. His skill set fits what we need though. Maybe a bit early for him?
 
Count as of now, subject to change. Looking at the number of people participating in the draft, we have about 6-7 eligible voters that haven't cast a vote yet.

OT Shon Coleman (2) - Mollywhopper, Texian
WR Will Fuller (4) - beerlover, Marshall, steelbtexan, TexansSeminole
WR Braxton Miller (2) - Lucky, thunderkyss
WR Sterling Shepard (4) - bah007, infantrycak, mussop, WolverineFan
 
WolverineFan said:
Martin is good, but he's not better than Zack. Not even close. That's not to disparage his talent, but Zack was a top 5 OG in the league as a rookie. He's elite. Nick is good, but he's not that good. If he was elite like Zack he'd be getting top 10 hype like he did instead of being graded as a 2nd rounder. I think he's definitely in play for this pick, just pointing out that he's not on the same level as his brother.

As for Safety, I prefer Darian Thompson over both Cash and Cravens because he can cover while both of those guys are primarily box players.
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Agreed, Zack is the better player, but Nick can still be a 10 yr starter. So can Glasgow, so can Seumalo, if I were making the pick and wanted to solidify the OL the picks would be Coleman in rd 2 and Glasgow in Rd.3. ( This is a great C class.)
 
bah007 said:
Count as of now, subject to change. Looking at the number of people participating in the draft, we have about 6-7 eligible voters that haven't cast a vote yet.

OT Shon Coleman (2) - Mollywhopper, Texian
WR Will Fuller (4) - beerlover, Marshall, steelbtexan, TexansSeminole
WR Braxton Miller (2) - Lucky, thunderkyss
WR Sterling Shepard (4) - bah007, infantrycak, mussop, WolverineFan
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I'll give anyone who switches their vote to Shepard 10 likes!
 
steelbtexan said:
If he was as fast as Sanders I would agree with you.

BTW, who is the last Oklahoma WR that had a long and productive career?

Mark Clayton? LOL
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4.48 vs 4.41 without pads on is plenty fast for me.

Who cares who was the last productive guy at a school? Plenty of big school/name guys bomb out.
 
mussop said:
Speed is over rated especially for slot guys. A more comparable player would be Tyler Lockett.
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On the Texans not so much. So the Texans dont need a guy who can stretch the field? Is Shepherd that kinda guy?

I dont see Sheperd as being like Lockett. Lockett was/is a homerun hitter. I honestly dont know how many 30 yd plus plays Sheperd made last yr. But I will tell you Fuller made a bunch.

Like I said Sheperd isn't a bad player. I just dont think he's that much different than Malcolm Mitchell.
 
PapaL said:
Sanders draft profile:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/emmanuel-sanders?id=497322

Lockett profile:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/tyler-lockett?id=2552430

Shepard draft profile:
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/sterling-shepard?id=2555295
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This kind of makes my point. While Shepard is a really good WR. Probably better than Lockett, not as good as Sanders, Shepard isn't the explosive athlete that the Texans offense is currently missing. Tell me what's so different between Shepard and Daniel Braverman?

I could get on board with Shepard this early if you told me deep speed like Peake would be added later in the draft.
 
Since we went DT in the first, I believe we have to add to the depth of the OL while we can. Are we going to completely forget the prognosis of DB? The performance of Newton? I don't believe we have answered the question of Center either. I'm ok with a WR, but it needs to be a difference maker. Lots of good receivers with Sheperds attributes can be picked up later in the draft. Receiver is not our biggest need nor is Sheperd the top receiver available. How does this make sense?
 
Shepard is the more realistic prospect, availablity, when Texans select 2nd rd. as reason why most now target him here.

Both Coleman & Fuller should go 1st & fit what Texans need/want to add on their roster. Hence Fuller is an absolute steal in this mock draft exercise.

FYI - Lance has Fuller rated 19th overall prospect.

Anyhow this would be perfect, never get Texan picks right, lol
 
JB said:
Since we went DT in the first, I believe we have to add to the depth of the OL while we can. Are we going to completely forget the prognosis of DB? The performance of Newton? I don't believe we have answered the question of Center either. I'm ok with a WR, but it needs to be a difference maker. Lots of good receivers with Sheperds attributes can be picked up later in the draft. Receiver is not our biggest need nor is Sheperd the top receiver available. How does this make sense?
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Was typing post (for Fuller) while yours posted but I will say it's because your reaching for need & not taking BPA. even though outside speed & dynamic slot receiver is immediate need as well.

We don't know what Texans know, regarding Duane Brown recovery, but given his toughness & work ethic his rehab should all but be wrapped up come training camp & 100% to go (we can only hope). Have no problem looking to layer in developmental bigs for OL but not at expense of passing on game changers :)
 
Braxton miller is my vote. I really like Shepard as well he is more polished, but the sky is the limit for Braxton and I really think if he can hit his full potential he will be one of those guys that's talked about as one of the best to come out of this draft. Something about will fullers body type worries me, whenever I see him play I just think he's going to break
 
JB said:
Since we went DT in the first, I believe we have to add to the depth of the OL while we can. Are we going to completely forget the prognosis of DB? The performance of Newton? I don't believe we have answered the question of Center either. I'm ok with a WR, but it needs to be a difference maker. Lots of good receivers with Sheperds attributes can be picked up later in the draft. Receiver is not our biggest need nor is Sheperd the top receiver available. How does this make sense?
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I like Chris Clark enough to give us a wait & see approach on Brown. If it's really that bad, I'd rather target his replacement next year in FA, or with a first.

I also think Bergstrum is a guy who's been on our pro personnel's list, since he was drafted. Those guys have been doing a good job of finding solid players that can do their job.

I'm more worried about Newton's spot on the team than I am about depth, with Manz, Obushi, & Lamb.

But our offense is sorely missing play makers. I hope Miller can be the guy we think he can. I hope Griffin can be the guy we think he can. I hope Strong can be the guy we think he can. Stacking the deck here with one more card, I think, will increase our chances that we'll have a 2nd play maker on offense.
 
I could tie things up, but I gotta go with my gut. I'm adding my vote to the Shon Coleman contingent. Love DB. My wife has his jersey. But that injury worries me.
 
Good Morning.

Who gets to play the tie-breaker role if it comes down to it? Or will there be a runoff?
 
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OT Shon Coleman (4) - Mollywhopper, Texian, The Pencil Neck, austins23
WR Will Fuller (6) - beerlover, Marshall, steelbtexan, TexansSeminole, SayWatt, srrono
WR Braxton Miller (3) - Lucky, thunderkyss, Shishkabob
WR Sterling Shepard (5) - bah007, infantrycak, mussop, WolverineFan, PapaL
 
Will Fuller
Draft Profile

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/will-fuller?id=2555346

Analysis
Strengths
Big time, vertical daddy. Had just over 27 percent of his catches go for 25-plus yards this year. Uses short, controlled strides into his routes for maximum balance and suddenness underneath. Will change routes speed to rock corners to sleep before climbing past them. Works to establish early leverage points against man coverage. Has elite acceleration to create easy separation vertically. Cornerbacks fear his speed giving him ample cushion. Able to drive defenders into early turn and bail when charging into his route. Shake a go release can whip press coverage. Can challenge and defeat press with nine routes and posts. Can make sharp in-breaking cuts. Above average ball tracking skills and has good feel for the sideline at all times. Talented with the ball in his hands and can change direction without gearing down.

Weaknesses
Undersized outside receiver with skinny legs who is unlikely to make a living in the middle of the field. Hands can be wretched at times (see Boston College game). Body catcher with focus issues and lack of hand strength. Logged nine drops in each of the last two seasons. Feast or famine target lacking frame and hands to be a volume receiver. Needs to improve route savvy for underneath and intermediate routes. Won't offer much at all as run blocker.

Sources Tell Us
"I hear the DeSean Jackson comparison and I can't get there. DeSean was faster, tougher and more reliable than Fuller. I'm not saying Fuller can't play, but I don't think he's DeSean." -- Former NFL receiver and current scout

NFL Comparison
Ted Ginn, Jr.

Bottom Line
Fuller doesn't check all the boxes with his slight frame, below average hands and limitations with his game-by-game production, but he possesses the coveted ability to hit the big play and score touchdowns. My grade might be higher than some, but Fuller has the type of functional speed that can win deep and free teammates up in the intermediate passing game. Look for Fuller to come in and contribute early on as a third receiver.
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I don't see where all the love for this guy is coming from. Terrible hands, body catcher, but he's fast!
 
While I believe Fuller is the best choice, I would be happy with any of these choices:

WR2 Fuller
WR3 Shepherd/Miller
OL Coleman

None are perfect, but then - who is?
 
That's 18 votes. I think that's everybody but Blake, who we aren't expecting.

Looks like it's Fuller in a close one.
 
PapaL said:
Will Fuller
Draft Profile

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/will-fuller?id=2555346



I don't see where all the love for this guy is coming from. Terrible hands, body catcher, but he's fast!
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He is much like Bob Hayes. Fast enough to make you cheer and inconsistent (note: NOT consistently bad) enough to make you jeer.

But I'm hoping working out with Hopkins every day will have a positive effect on his technique.
 
When Will Fuller first came up as a possible first round selection by us, I was fine with it. He was a relatively highly ranked WR on most boards.

But as time has gone by and I've gotten more information (I don't watch nearly as many college games as some guys and rely on second hand information more than my own judgment), I don't see Fuller as that great of a deal. He's a fast guy but not great hands.

OTOH, if you look at the people who are pulling for Fuller, they're guys who know football and know their players. So, if it's Fuller, it's Fuller.
 
thunderkyss said:
This is a gut pick, I don't really know where this guy "should" be taken. I'm looking at a few different top 100s, a couple of rankings from some of our very own draftniks... but I just like this guy for Atlanta more than the guys I "should" take. So...

With the 50th pick in the 2016 NFL Draft, the Atlanta Falcons select Michael Thomas WR(Ohio State).

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This is not a Roddy White replacement... this is something different, something new... hopefully something better.
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I don't understand this.... Falcons already gave Sanu 5 year / $32 M. That's the Roddy White replacement.

This guy would have been the perfect Jaelen Strong replacement for Texans. I know since talking of it earlier a lot of people aren't worried about Strong, but I am. I know an idiot when I see it. People weren't afraid for Martavis Bryant either until he kept on and kept on. We don't address this eventually then it's gonna always be Nuk, the next Nate Washington Journeyman, and garbage TEs until Nuk gets tired of this and leaves.
 
PapaL said:
Will Fuller
Draft Profile

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/will-fuller?id=2555346



I don't see where all the love for this guy is coming from. Terrible hands, body catcher, but he's fast!
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No offense to anybody who is in the Fuller camp, the guy is highly rated by almost every media guy. I can't blame anyone for wanting him.

But I think this discussion is an obvious example of having extreme tunnel vision about a single attribute that causes you to not weigh other important factors.

The group has spoken and Fuller is the pick. But we made him the pick not because he's the best player, there are better receivers and better route runners available. We chose him because he's about one step faster over 40 yards in a straight line with no pads on.

That's how you draft a bust. That's not me guaranteeing that Fuller will be one, but this is the mindset that puts teams in that position. I see it as no different than drafting the QB with the strongest arm and ignoring everything else that is important for the position. Maybe the guy with the strongest arm turns out to be the best player, but how often is it that simple?
 
bah007 said:
There's a couple of options I see.

Possible future LT in Coleman.

Stud S in Jeremy Cash.

But I'll cast my vote for:

Sterling Shepard - WR, Oklahoma

That's a no brainer to me. Perfect slot receiver. More well-rounded than Fuller. Every bit the athlete, better route runner, and better hands by a great deal.
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Why do we want a slot WR so bad when we have a better one, today, in Cecil Shorts if we can just find someone to put on the outside so he can actually be used in the slot?
 
TexansFTW said:
Why do we want a slot WR so bad when we have a better one, today, in Cecil Shorts if we can just find someone to put on the outside so he can actually be used in the slot?
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I think Strong has what it takes to be a solid #2 outside. Shorts is a versatile weapon that can play both spots.

So you would have Hop at #1, Strong/Shorts at #2, and Shepard/Shorts at #3 depending on situation. Plus, if you needed to have four wide you would have two guys that excel in the slot.

I also think that Shorts was brought in as a short term filler for that spot. Strong was drafted last year for the outside spot. My gut tells me they are looking for that inside guy in this draft.
 
bah007 said:
No offense to anybody who is in the Fuller camp, the guy is highly rated by almost every media guy. I can't blame anyone for wanting him.

But I think this discussion is an obvious example of having extreme tunnel vision about a single attribute that causes you to not weigh other important factors.

The group has spoken and Fuller is the pick. But we made him the pick not because he's the best player, there are better receivers and better route runners available. We chose him because he's about one step faster over 40 yards in a straight line with no pads on.

That's how you draft a bust. That's not me guaranteeing that Fuller will be one, but this is the mindset that puts teams in that position. I see it as no different than drafting the QB with the strongest arm and ignoring everything else that is important for the position. Maybe the guy with the strongest arm turns out to be the best player, but how often is it that simple?
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What you say is why I wouldn't take him a 22. But this is 52. Each of the alternatives also has flaws (Separation or footwork.)

Each has potential to either boom or bust. Only hindsight will be 20/20 here.
 
Marshall said:
He is much like Bob Hayes. Fast enough to make you cheer and inconsistent (note: NOT consistently bad) enough to make you jeer.

But I'm hoping working out with Hopkins every day will have a positive effect on his technique.
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bah007 said:
No offense to anybody who is in the Fuller camp, the guy is highly rated by almost every media guy. I can't blame anyone for wanting him.

But I think this discussion is an obvious example of having extreme tunnel vision about a single attribute that causes you to not weigh other important factors.

The group has spoken and Fuller is the pick. But we made him the pick not because he's the best player, there are better receivers and better route runners available. We chose him because he's about one step faster over 40 yards in a straight line with no pads on.

That's how you draft a bust. That's not me guaranteeing that Fuller will be one, but this is the mindset that puts teams in that position. I see it as no different than drafting the QB with the strongest arm and ignoring everything else that is important for the position. Maybe the guy with the strongest arm turns out to be the best player, but how often is it that simple?
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I think a guy can improve route running. I think a guy can improve on being a WR by learning the nuances of being a Pro WR. I don't think a guy can go from terrible hands to great hands. Give me the guy that's going to catch the ball. Those guys stay in the league a long time. Fast and no hands is what the Raiders WRs were under Al Davis. I'm good on that. Alas if he's the pick so be it. We've all made a pitch for our guy.
 
I want a safety here. I'm not caught up, so I'm reading as I'm going. I thought I had until 900 AM to cast my Texans pick, but just reading up it looks like I won't. I want a safety, but if the vote is between Fuller and Sheppard then give me Fuller all day.
 
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