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Texans Wide Receivers

Texian said:
Must be a figment of your imagination.

I've been the biggest proponent of PFF on this message board. I've never denigrated or acted like I know more than PFF. They do such a fine job that all 32 NFL teams subscribe to their services. I know how to filter through their grades. For example, D Hop was suspended for 7 games and when he returned he had McCoy and David Blough throwing him the ball. Your OC Bobby Slowik worked at PFF grading games.

Mike Renner on Twitter: "49ers passing game specialist Bobby Slowik and Rams assistant QB coach Zac Robinson taught me more about football back when they worked at PFF than anyone else I’ve ever met Now one of them is guaranteed to be coaching in the Super Bowl. Couldn’t be happier for those guys" / Twitter
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You say “I know how to filter through their grades” and I hear “I use the grades when they support my personal thoughts and I wave them away when they don’t”. You say Hopkins was playing with some handicaps and I’d agree with that. Would you agree that Collins has been playing with similar handicaps (notably his QB’s this year being Davis Mills and Kyle Allen)?

I like PFF, I pay for PFF, this isn’t some anti PFF thing. I just think consistency when using their ratings is important
 
Texian said:
Pep was the Michigan passing game coordinator when Nico arrived at Michigan.
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Khelar said:
Yeah I mean he’s a possession guy and still a question mark I don’t think I claimed anything different. Just saying that his production on the field in a less than desirable situation hasn’t been bad and I’m excited to see if he’s able to put up better numbers with decent QB play and a decent OC (hopefully).
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It's not like Collins was a reach where the Texans drafted him (3.89) He was rated as a late 2nd/high 3rd round pick.

Nico Collins Draft and Combine Prospect Profile | NFL.com
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While Collins hasn't had the downfield opportunities the past 2 seasons, his profile still fits. Good hands, but doesn't get separation in coverage despite his speed/size combo. Maybe Nico has been misused? He'll get another chance in a new offense. But Collins needs to stay on the field, in games and practice.
 
Texian said:
Collins was a JAG at Michigan. Pep had a connection and fell in love with the player and pounded the table to trade up for him.
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He also played with a QB that never sniffed an NFL field and a receiver by committee scheme where 5 different receivers were all between 25-45 receptions his last year.

Drafting Nico on his potential/measurables and production in a system that didn't spotlight a WR1/WR2 guy at the bottom of the third round is exactly where you take that type of player.

He was the 14th WR taken in the draft. So far, there are only 4 WR's in that draft that have clearly outperformed him and another 3-4 with similar production. And that is with missing games and having Davis Freaking Mills as his QB.

He wasn't WR1 at Michigan. He hasn't been WR1 with the Texans. Cooks got 93 targets while missing 4 games. That translates to 120 targets for a full season (he had 136 targets in 2021). The RB's had over 120 targets (they had 105 targets in 2021).

Collins averaged 6 less yards a game than Cooks who was on pace for another 1,000 yard season.

First and foremost, I want to see him on the field. I also want to see him have a competent QB that doesn't lock in on one receiver or constantly dump it off to the RB's. Until both happen, I don't think we can have an accurate measure of what type of receiver he is.
 
Khelar said:
But since Collins is my breakout crush Texan for next year and I'm taking off work tomorrow let me talk about him a bit.

To start, no I don't actually think Collins is currently on the level of DJ Moore, Hopkins, Cooks, or even Kirk so I'm not saying that.

But I don't think I'm going overboard on the excuses. Looking at the Texans nobody produced on this offense, including Brandin Cooks who is a good WR. Brandin Cooks was going for 53ypg last year Nico was second on the team with 48. Next was Chris Moore with 34. This was a team with a bad QB, below average oline play, and a bad OC. Those may be excuses but they're also facts.

Looking at production around the league he's also not as far off as you might think. He was ranked 43rd in YPG among WR's which would put him as an above average #2 WR. He's not in terrible company, DJ Moore for instance had 52 YPG, Deebo Samuels had 48, DJ Chark had 45, and Adam Thielen had 42. And all those guys I mentioned with the exception of DJ Moore had the advantage of having good OC's calling for them and good QB's throwing to them which is something Nico Collins has not had yet. Go back and watch the games, he's had significant chunks of yards taken off the board because we had a QB who cannot consistently deliver the ball when he gets open.

I like to point to two plays from the beginning of the season to show what I mean. The Texans last play on offense in week 2 and a play during Week 1 towards the end of the game. The week 2 play vs the Broncos was 4th and 16, under 2 minutes, Texans driving down the field to try and tie the game and go to OT. Collins gets open on 4th down, on the sideline, past the first down marker and Mills misses him. Could have been a first down and kept the game going but Mills misses.

The second play is from week 1 vs the Colts with about 4.5 minutes left to go. Texans are up 7 and driving to try and put the game out of reach. It's a 3rd and 8 at midfield a first down allows us to maybe score and win the game but at least either take all the Colts timeouts or run the clock down another 2 minutes. Collins is open past the first down marker on the back shoulder, Mills tries to hit it but sails it over his head. Texans punt, game eventually ends in a tie. Those are big moments where you need playmakers to step up and Collins did and we just didn't have a QB that could deliver the ball.

Those are just 2 early examples from when I did a film watch on Collins there are plenty of other examples of him getting open and the QB just missed. I'd estimate from what I watched that in the 10 games Collins played in 2022 he probably had 150 yards left on the field from QB misses. He's better than the numbers show and I think we'll see that come out if we can get a competent OC and QB to work with him.
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Two thumbs up.
 
Lucky said:
Two things. Collins has missed 9 games in his first two seasons. I don't know how many practices. If Nico showed up, his numbers would be better. Nico has top end measurables. 6'4" 215 lbs with a 4.4 40. You would think a guy like that would shake a DB and take it to the house on his own a couple of times a season. Instead, Collins has a grand total of 3 broken tackles in 2 seasons. He's been a possession receiver in a playmaker's body.

No one is advocating for Collins to be cut. Just as no one should be jocking him as a top 35 WR, when he clearly has not been. Nico is getting another chance in a new offense and hopefully a better QB. Until he proves something, Collins is a big question mark.
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Collins is the X. I've seen, maybe heard, a comment that the person commenting would like to see him as the Z.
 
Number19 said:
You can't catch the ball if it's not thrown to you. This stat is meaningless unless you include the number of attempts he had.
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Careful what you ask for. Didn’t include targets because I didn’t want to make it look worse than it was.

70 catches on 126 targets for his career. That’s a subpar 55.6%. So there’s that. But you already know that.
 
Lucky said:
Two things. Collins has missed 9 games in his first two seasons. I don't know how many practices. If Nico showed up, his numbers would be better. Nico has top end measurables. 6'4" 215 lbs with a 4.4 40. You would think a guy like that would shake a DB and take it to the house on his own a couple of times a season. Instead, Collins has a grand total of 3 broken tackles in 2 seasons. He's been a possession receiver in a playmaker's body.

No one is advocating for Collins to be cut. Just as no one should be jocking him as a top 35 WR, when he clearly has not been. Nico is getting another chance in a new offense and hopefully a better QB. Until he proves something, Collins is a big question mark.
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Agreed. Collins is fighting with Noah Brown most likely for his playing time. He has the talent to win that job but Brown does the little things that have allowed him to stick around and make the most out of his talent. Like blocking and playing special teams. He is a grinder and Collins will not just be handed the job due to draft position going into year 3.
 
Khelar said:
0 drops, not sure what more there is to do than catch the ball when the QB is able to deliver it to you
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You do realize that there are catches that aren't made that should/could have been that aren't counted as drops, right? Of course you do. That's what an agenda looks like.

Look, I hope you're right and Collins does break out. I was expecting that last year but it never materialized. So maybe the 3rd year is the charm. But again, for what he's accomplished so far, just a guy.
 
76Texan said:
Among QBs with 250 attempts or more, Mills had the highest percentage of bad throws (23.2%).

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It's highly possible that Collins was the unlucky one.
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Never said the QB didn't play a factor. But Mills can hit the shorter Cooks (5'10") more consistently than 6'4" Collins? It ain't all on the QB, even though that QB is horrible.
 
Speedy said:
Never said the QB didn't play a factor. But Mills can hit the shorter Cooks (5'10") more consistently than 6'4" Collins? It ain't all on the QB, even though that QB is horrible.
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Anything is possible.
We jusy don't have the concrete data to say one way or another.
 
Speedy said:
Never said the QB didn't play a factor. But Mills can hit the shorter Cooks (5'10") more consistently than 6'4" Collins? It ain't all on the QB, even though that QB is horrible.
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Perhaps Nico and Davis can discuss it in unemployment line? At least they can have a game of pitch and Not Catch.
 
Speedy said:
You do realize that there are catches that aren't made that should/could have been that aren't counted as drops, right? Of course you do. That's what an agenda looks like.

Look, I hope you're right and Collins does break out. I was expecting that last year but it never materialized. So maybe the 3rd year is the charm. But again, for what he's accomplished so far, just a guy.
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Film doesn't lie. Took a quick look at his worst game by catch percentage last year against the Browns where he went for 3 catches on 11 targets. Here are the 8 incompletions

1. He's open complete overthrow
2. Allen throws up a 50/50 jump ball, slightly overthrown but catchable.
3. Tight window would be a tough catch but Allen doesn't give him a chance as he overthrows it
4. Fade to the corner of the endzone, good coverage by the DB makes Collins come down with it but out of bounds
5. He's open Allen misses him wide
6. He's open and gets overthrown again
7. Another overthrow, Collins jumps and gets his fingertips on this one but can't get up high enough to make the catch. We'll be nice to Allen and call this catchable
8. Miscommunication, Collins runs a curl Allen throws it deep

4 passes in this game (at least) where he's open for a good gain and QB can't make it happen

Also a little side note the overthrows if thrown well would have accounted for another 55-60 yards.

It's not an agenda it's exactly what the tape shows, I suggest you watch if you have the time.
 
Speedy said:
Never said the QB didn't play a factor. But Mills can hit the shorter Cooks (5'10") more consistently than 6'4" Collins? It ain't all on the QB, even though that QB is horrible.
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Collins caught every ball when it's catchable.

Yes there's a contested ball and he didn't get open.
But it's more of the QB's fault for going to a well-covered receiver. The ball was thrown behind Collins; if anything, the DB had a better chance at it than the receiver.

 
And just to re-iterate I don't think Collins is gonna be a stud #1 WR or anything like that.

I think he's a guy who can be a pretty good #2 option. He's shown that he can get open, he's got good hands, he's not a jump ball guy really but he is good in contested catch situations when a defender is right there to make the play. Given a QB that can be relied on to make the throws and I think he's a player who can get you 55 or 60 catches and 800 yards. We'll see maybe I'm wrong and that never comes to fruition.
 
Khelar said:
And just to re-iterate I don't think Collins is gonna be a stud #1 WR or anything like that.

I think he's a guy who can be a pretty good #2 option. He's shown that he can get open, he's got good hands, he's not a jump ball guy really but he is good in contested catch situations when a defender is right there to make the play. Given a QB that can be relied on to make the throws and I think he's a player who can get you 55 or 60 catches and 800 yards. We'll see maybe I'm wrong and that never comes to fruition.
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I always had Collins as a capable no. 2.
It's one of the pick from Nick Caserio that I agree with.

My hope is that he can become one of the top no. 2.
Nobody knows about the number.
It depends on the make up of the team.

Let just assume that Mechie comes back and play sparingly as the no. 4

I think the Texans would have a few no. 2 and no. 3 type of receivers.

It's likely will be a balanced offense, depending on how well the run game goes.

I doubt it that the Texans will be pass happy.

They now have options at TE and RB (to catch the ball).

Unless they draft a real weapon, I think it's going to be a committee approach.
 
76Texan said:
I always had Collins as a capable no. 2.
It's one of the pick from Nick Caserio that I agree with.

My hope is that he can become one of the top no. 2.
Nobody knows about the number.
It depends on the make up of the team.

Let just assume that Mechie comes back and play sparingly as the no. 4

I think the Texans would have a few no. 2 and no. 3 type of receivers.

It's likely will be a balanced offense, depending on how well the run game goes.

I doubt it that the Texans will be pass happy.

They now have options at TE and RB (to catch the ball).

Unless they draft a real weapon, I think it's going to be a committee approach.
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Yeah it’ll be really interesting to see how the wide receiver room and the offense as a whole pans out. They’re gonna wanna be a run first team this year I think that’s for sure.

Assuming Metchie comes back at full speed I wonder if we’ll try to make him the Houston Deebo. From what I remember he was absolutely electric in college after the catch.
 
Khelar said:
Film doesn't lie. Took a quick look at his worst game by catch percentage last year against the Browns where he went for 3 catches on 11 targets. Here are the 8 incompletions

1. He's open complete overthrow
2. Allen throws up a 50/50 jump ball, slightly overthrown but catchable.
3. Tight window would be a tough catch but Allen doesn't give him a chance as he overthrows it
4. Fade to the corner of the endzone, good coverage by the DB makes Collins come down with it but out of bounds
5. He's open Allen misses him wide
6. He's open and gets overthrown again
7. Another overthrow, Collins jumps and gets his fingertips on this one but can't get up high enough to make the catch. We'll be nice to Allen and call this catchable
8. Miscommunication, Collins runs a curl Allen throws it deep

4 passes in this game (at least) where he's open for a good gain and QB can't make it happen

Also a little side note the overthrows if thrown well would have accounted for another 55-60 yards.

It's not an agenda it's exactly what the tape shows, I suggest you watch if you have the time.
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And the rest of the team had a 63% catch rate in the same game.
 
76Texan said:
I always had Collins as a capable no. 2.
It's one of the pick from Nick Caserio that I agree with.

My hope is that he can become one of the top no. 2.
Nobody knows about the number.
It depends on the make up of the team.

Let just assume that Mechie comes back and play sparingly as the no. 4

I think the Texans would have a few no. 2 and no. 3 type of receivers.

It's likely will be a balanced offense, depending on how well the run game goes.

I doubt it that the Texans will be pass happy.

They now have options at TE and RB (to catch the ball).

Unless they draft a real weapon, I think it's going to be a committee approach.
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What exactly is a #1 or #2 receiver? The receiver the qb depends on or throws to most frequently? Plays are, or should be, designed, and called, to take advantage of weaknesses in the defense. If we draft Young, he'll read the defense and the receiver getting single coverage becomes his first read. Young has shown the ability to be a master at reading defenses. And I agree, Young would spread the ball around. He's good at this as well.

Or is a #1 receiver simply the one who has shown he's the best, and is the player most frequently double teamed by the defense. If this is the case, he may not be the most productive receiver because a smart qb doesn't throw into double coverage.

In the few KC games I watched, the TE Kelci was the receiver Mahomes relied on. Is, or can, a TE be the #1 receiver?
 
Khelar said:
Lol talk about an agenda huh
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Facts are not an agenda.

Texansphan said:
Are you talking #1 receiver Cooks here?
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Everyone else not named Collins who was targeted in that same game combined for a 63% catch rate. While Collins was at 30%. I’m not saying he couldn’t benefit from a better QB but somebody on that team wasn’t constantly being overthrown and were making some catches.

bigbrewster2000 said:
Not sure how relevant that is with the breakdown provided above other than showing how truly inconsistent The QB play was last year.
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Again, others had a much better catch rate. Moore at 64% for example. Only Phillip Dorsett, Brevin Jordan, Quitoriano and OJ Howard had a worse catch rate than Nico did.

Look, if y’all want to fight tooth and nail for a mediocre receiver, more power to you. I won’t be dying on that hill.
 
Number19 said:
What exactly is a #1 or #2 receiver? The receiver the qb depends on or throws to most frequently? Plays are, or should be, designed, and called, to take advantage of weaknesses in the defense. If we draft Young, he'll read the defense and the receiver getting single coverage becomes his first read. Young has shown the ability to be a master at reading defenses. And I agree, Young would spread the ball around. He's good at this as well.

Or is a #1 receiver simply the one who has shown he's the best, and is the player most frequently double teamed by the defense. If this is the case, he may not be the most productive receiver because a smart qb doesn't throw into double coverage.

In the few KC games I watched, the TE Kelci was the receiver Mahomes relied on. Is, or can, a TE be the #1 receiver?
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In my thinking, the no. 1 is the guy the OC often calls a play for when the team needs it the most. (The highest percentage, usually by a good margin, as the first read).
A throw under twelve yards is nearly impossible to be double-teamed without being too obvious.
It only makes the job of the QB much easier by going to the next read.
 
Number19 said:
What exactly is a #1 or #2 receiver? The receiver the qb depends on or throws to most frequently? Plays are, or should be, designed, and called, to take advantage of weaknesses in the defense. If we draft Young, he'll read the defense and the receiver getting single coverage becomes his first read. Young has shown the ability to be a master at reading defenses. And I agree, Young would spread the ball around. He's good at this as well.

Or is a #1 receiver simply the one who has shown he's the best, and is the player most frequently double teamed by the defense. If this is the case, he may not be the most productive receiver because a smart qb doesn't throw into double coverage.

In the few KC games I watched, the TE Kelci was the receiver Mahomes relied on. Is, or can, a TE be the #1 receiver?
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I believe a TE can be a teams number 1 receiving threat. Kelce was that guy for the Chiefs in 2022. In 2021 and 2020 it was Hill 1.a and Kelce 1.b depending on how you break "it" (yards, receptions, TD's, etc.). Kelce had more yards that Hill in 2020 but Hill had more touchdowns.
 
Speedy said:
Facts are not an agenda.



Everyone else not named Collins who was targeted in that same game combined for a 63% catch rate. While Collins was at 30%. I’m not saying he couldn’t benefit from a better QB but somebody on that team wasn’t constantly being overthrown and were making some catches.



Again, others had a much better catch rate. Moore at 64% for example. Only Phillip Dorsett, Brevin Jordan, Quitoriano and OJ Howard had a worse catch rate than Nico did.

Look, if y’all want to fight tooth and nail for a mediocre receiver, more power to you. I won’t be dying on that hill.
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At this point it’s not even about Collins I just think it’s interesting that you prefer to ignore game film and somehow think stats tell the whole story.
 
banned1976 said:
I believe a TE can be a teams number 1 receiving threat. Kelce was that guy for the Chiefs in 2022. In 2021 and 2020 it was Hill 1.a and Kelce 1.b depending on how you break "it" (yards, receptions, TD's, etc.). Kelce had more yards that Hill in 2020 but Hill had more touchdowns.
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Gronk was Brady's #1 for several years. Antonio Gates for Rivers. Tony Gonzalez for whatever QB was playing with him.

HOF TEs can be #1's. If Dalton Schultz is your #1, you need to get better WRs.
 
76Texan said:
In my thinking, the no. 1 is the guy the OC often calls a play for when the team needs it the most...
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This.

With our current receivers, if he comes back 100%, this could be Metchie, if we draft Young. In the red zone inside the 10 yd line, it could be Collins or Schultz.
 
Khelar said:
At this point it’s not even about Collins I just think it’s interesting that you prefer to ignore game film and somehow think stats tell the whole story.
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Do you agree that the story on Collins thus far is, "He hasn't done enough, yet"? Collins doesn't need excuses. He is getting a fresh start.
 
Speedy said:
Facts are not an agenda.



Everyone else not named Collins who was targeted in that same game combined for a 63% catch rate. While Collins was at 30%. I’m not saying he couldn’t benefit from a better QB but somebody on that team wasn’t constantly being overthrown and were making some catches.



Again, others had a much better catch rate. Moore at 64% for example. Only Phillip Dorsett, Brevin Jordan, Quitoriano and OJ Howard had a worse catch rate than Nico did.

Look, if y’all want to fight tooth and nail for a mediocre receiver, more power to you. I won’t be dying on that hill.
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I’m not fighting for anything other than pointing out that the information above seems to show that Collins got the short end of the stick on 4 overthrown balls. Which says inconsistency at least attributed to the low catch completion.
 
Everything else aside, we still don't know what we have in Metchie. He could be a solid starter or a solid back-up. Maybe he'll be a star, maybe he'll be out of the league in 3 years. Just don't know and we don't know the timetable on his return. “I say there’s a chance that he’ll be ready for the start of the offseason program,” Caserio said. “I think there’re still some things that he has to complete or go through. But, quite frankly, it’s amazing what he’s done to this point. … DeMeco Ryans ‘excited to work’ with John Metchie III - al.com
 
Lucky said:
Do you agree that the story on Collins thus far is, "He hasn't done enough, yet"? Collins doesn't need excuses. He is getting a fresh start.
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That’s not really the question though, I think anyone would agree looking at raw production over the last 2 years that he hasn’t done much. To me the question is what is the reason for that and is there any reason to expect differently moving forward.
 
Just found an interesting web site while looking for info on Collins' injuries.

Nico Collins Injury History & Updates

Nico Collins Injury History & Updates. Our injury data is so comprehensive, even NFL teams have paid for it. Our algorithm even predicts injuries
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He's had injury to his shoulder (2021), foot (2021, 2022), hip (2021) and groin (2022).

Despite these, this web site assesses his chance of injury a "very low risk" with a 16% chance he'll miss at least 2 quarters. His chance of injury per game is 1%.

Whether you agree or not, interesting site.
 
Speedy said:
Everyone else not named Collins who was targeted in that same game combined for a 63% catch rate. While Collins was at 30%. I’m not saying he couldn’t benefit from a better QB but somebody on that team wasn’t constantly being overthrown and were making some catches.
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WR - 8/16 = 50%

TE's - 7/14 = 50%

RB's - 5/7 = 71%

Context matters. Allen did a great job dumping off to the running backs. Not so much to the guys who catch passes for a living.
 
Khelar said:
At this point it’s not even about Collins I just think it’s interesting that you prefer to ignore game film and somehow think stats tell the whole story.
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I use stats to back up what my eyes see. How many games has Collins had an impact on in his career to this point? You can probably count them in a couple of fingers if that much.


bigbrewster2000 said:
I’m not fighting for anything other than pointing out that the information above seems to show that Collins got the short end of the stick on 4 overthrown balls. Which says inconsistency at least attributed to the low catch completion.
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sandman said:
WR - 8/16 = 50%

TE's - 7/14 = 50%

RB's - 5/7 = 71%

Context matters. Allen did a great job dumping off to the running backs. Not so much to the guys who catch passes for a living.
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If you want to go by that ONE game then fine. You win. Again though, Chris freaking Moore had a 64% catch rate. Nico? 56%. And again, only Dorsett, Jordan, Quitoriano and Howard had worse catch rates than Nico. How’s that for context?
 
Speedy said:
I use stats to back up what my eyes see. How many games has Collins had an impact on in his career to this point? You can probably count them in a couple of fingers if that much.





If you want to go by that ONE game then fine. You win. Again though, Chris freaking Moore had a 64% catch rate. Nico? 56%. And again, only Dorsett, Jordan, Quitoriano and Howard had worse catch rates than Nico. How’s that for context?
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After going back and watching the tape you would have to add some more fingers to that if he had a QB that could deliver the ball.

I’d love for you to go back and watch those missed throws from the Browns game I pointed out and tell me what you think he should do rather than just repeating “but the catch percentage”
 
Khelar said:
That’s not really the question though, I think anyone would agree looking at raw production over the last 2 years that he hasn’t done much. To me the question is what is the reason for that and is there any reason to expect differently moving forward.
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1. Collins is not a dynamic WR. He doesn't make big plays and does not uncover at a high rate.
2. Collins is injured too often. He has missed 10 games in 2 years. Collins production would be 30% higher with equal production in the games he has missed.
3. Collins has played in a poor offense with poor QB play. Collins play has been a component of the poor offense. But not the major component.

How can Collins improve?
1. Show up on game day and practices.
2. Develop a mastery of the new offense and a rapport with the new QB.
3. Become more aggressive in his routes and with the ball in the air.

The best reason to expect Collins to improve? Money. Collins will be entering the penultimate year of his rookie deal. After which, good players are often extended. I'm sure Collins will be looking for the best 2nd deal he can get.
 
Khelar said:
After going back and watching the tape you would have to add some more fingers to that if he had a QB that could deliver the ball.

I’d love for you to go back and watch those missed throws from the Browns game I pointed out and tell me what you think he should do rather than just repeating “but the catch percentage”
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No worse than you being stuck on one game and ignoring 2 years worth of results.
 
Speedy said:
I use stats to back up what my eyes see. How many games has Collins had an impact on in his career to this point? You can probably count them in a couple of fingers if that much.

If you want to go by that ONE game then fine. You win. Again though, Chris freaking Moore had a 64% catch rate. Nico? 56%. And again, only Dorsett, Jordan, Quitoriano and Howard had worse catch rates than Nico. How’s that for context?
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Listen, he didn't have a big sample size last season with missing 7 games. So any one game in the season is going to stand out.

To be fair, he had three BAD games in terms of catch rate: @Denver (4/9), @NYG (5/10) and CLE (3/10). So it's not just one game, there were three. Which was 30% of his season. That's not inconsequential, even if not fully on his shoulders. These also the three highest targeted games of the season.

For the other 7 games, he had a 68% catch rate.

So it wasn't a season long issue. But it was a small sample size. So which is the real Nico? The three games or the seven games?

Maybe he shouldn't be targeted like a WR1. Keep it in the 5-6 per game range.

Above all else, stay on the damn field.
 
sandman said:
Above all else, stay on the damn field.
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And that's part of it too. He's already missed 10 games.
And let's not forget this is a guy Caserio gave up 3 picks to go get. The production from this guy needs to be much better than it has been, I don't give a damn who the QB is.
 
Speedy said:
And that's part of it too. He's already missed 10 games.
And let's not forget this is a guy Caserio gave up 3 picks to go get. The production from this guy needs to be much better than it has been, I don't give a damn who the QB is.
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I know it is semantics, but giving up three picks means you have a net loss of three picks. It was a net loss of two picks.

Got a 3rd. Gave up a 4th/5th in same draft and a 4th the following year.
 
Why so much effort put in on a WR that has a total of 70 catches for 927 yards with 3 TD's? Just shows how pathetic the receiving group of the Texans is. Collins averages 1 TD every 8 games... that sucks
 
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