I have no idea what PFF says about Beasley. I do my own evaluations.
Texans Wide Receivers
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Exactly. That’s exactly what I said.
We’re one of the few teams he’d be a walk-on starter with no “real” competition
I don’t know how confident you are in Caserio’s ability to pick up a guy cut from another team that would produce as well as Beasley did last season. Maybe he can find a couple of solid contributors, but I don’t think it likely he can find specifically a slot WR.
just like those teams who are satisfied with their rosters & opting not to sign Beasley, the Texans seem to be content with their roster.
I’m not saying the Texans should sign Beasley. Probably a dozen reasons they shouldn’t. I don’t really care one way or the other.
But I can absolutely positively say I prefer Cole Beasley over Chris Moore.
Me too, our evaluations are different because of the value we put on having at veteran safety valve.
What does the Covid vaccine have to do with anything?
Beasley hasn't signed with another team because he wants more than the vet min and probably a 2 yr deal.
I'm not against giving Moore a chance and he's a really good ST's to boot. But he's not a slot guy. I guess you want to move Cooks to the slot. But that's a waste of his talent. IMHO
You do know that vaccinated people are currently getting Covid as often as non vaccinated people. That's why the NFL has done away with the bogus COVID protocols, those were all for show anyways. Look at what they did in last years playoffs as an example of what the NFL thinks about Covid. CnD would probably better to speak on this than me. But I'm sure this thread would get locked.
Is it based upon past results, or something else? Beasley is a year older and slower. There's a career curve , and Beasley is absolutely, positively at the bottom of his. As far as Caserio's ability to find talent on the waiver wire is concerned, this seem to be your logic flow:
Caserio may not be about to find talent at the slot position.
Therefore, Caserio should sign Beasley.
But if Caserio can't find talent at slot and signs Beasley, how can we be confident that Beasley would still have talent? He was signed by Caserio.
The question that no one has answered is, why is Beasley unsigned?
Texansballer74
The Marine
No thoughts on bringing in Emmanuel Sanders. At this stage of his career he should be able to play in the slot position.
So? Being in Houston in 2022 is a waste of Cooks' talent. The Texans are going nowhere. Cooks is here to help Mills and help the team develop. If that's best in the slot, so what?
If you get a quality slot and Cooks plays outside then you've given Mills the weapons he needs to succeed. Minus a TE that can both block and catch. But that will get fixed in next yrs draft.
I guess 65 catches isn't what you consider a quality slot. But it's better than anything the Texans have had playing in the slot in along time. Maybe since their inception.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Mangler
Toro Español
Those who got the Covid shot and the 10 other useless “boosters” are technically the real spreaders, but I’m pretty sure you’re not ready to have that discussion. Off topic I know, but you’re the one who went there.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I am interested in seeing Mills’ former roommate Connor Weddington. Not necessarily at WR but he averaged 27.4 yards per kick return in college and tested well athletically as a UDFA last season (4.47 40, 38.5 vertical, 6.66 3 cone).
Could be competition for Tremon Smith as a KR.
Could be competition for Tremon Smith as a KR.
Yep, no need to add a guy like that
Speed isn’t a major part of Beasley’s game. His ability to get open on time & catch aren’t dependent on speed.
No, that’s missing the point. I’m sure Caserio can find a couple (that’s what I said) maybe even a few guys who can contribute at some level.
But to specifically find a slot receiver is a tall order. Not based on Caserio’s ability, but because of the nature of the market.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Again, you can't miss something you never had, especially a rookie coming off a knee injury. I wish him a speedy recovery with the apl. From a football point of view, I saw better options especially with Cooks being the moveable piece from the slot and outside. I thought they needed a perimeter wr to push cooks inside and keep him off the press . We will see soon enough
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
His burst seem to be missing when I watched him last season. You and I disagree on this slot concept. I believe Brandon Cooks plays that role better than anyone they have, Metchie included. Thats why I believe they should've drafted an outside wr. Nonetheless, why not just bring Fuller back or throw away a pick for Brehsard Perriman since they're loaded at wr?
When is the last time any of the guys you listed have caught 85 balls in a season. Disagreement is what keeps this MB interesting.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Who are the young players they’re trying develop for the future?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
If you catch 85 passes in a season you are a significant part of your offense. There aren’t many players currently on the market who would be a significant part of an offense. Beasley would be for Houston.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Conley, Collins and TE Brevin Jordan. We need to know where we stand on them before 2023 draft.
Any over flow should go to our running backs and on the roster older players. We are supposedly a run oriented offense so the passing snaps should be reduced.
Conley is 29. Agree with Collins and Jordan.
vtech9
All Pro
You talk like the jab is either going to stop you from getting Covid, or stop you from spreading Covid. Neither is true.
vtech9
All Pro
Now, this part I agree with. I think Cooks is our best option at Slot, but he's the #1 right now. If we had a true #1, I'd put Cooks in the Slot with a quickness. There are a few potential #1 WR FA's still available. Odell is still out there, but IMHO, he's a cancer. Emmanuel Sanders is there too, as @Texansballer74 mentioned, but he's 35. So, I think we have to roll with Cooks as the #1.
Unless we bring in Beasley, I think we roll with Davion Davis, Chad Bebe, or Johnnie Johnson in the slot. Maybe next year we'll draft a true #1, and move Cooks to the slot. Who knows?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Nico and Jordan, sure. But nobody would be taking snaps away from them.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yes but Conley is considered part of the future and any new FA coming in is either taking up cap or will be getting snaps. I want Chad Beebe or Phillip Dorsett getting snaps
Conley is on a one year deal. He is exactly what he is. A backup on a bad team.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Again we agree only apparent difference is I don't think Caserio wants to go another vet FA.
I think Nick will find someone to pickup on the WW. Who is on the cut line in New England?
* Nelson Agholor has a near $15 million cap hit this year. Patriots save almost $5 million cutting or trading Agholor. After trading for DeVante Parker and drafting Baylor WR Tyquan Thornton in the 2nd, Agholor is a goner.
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leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
In my opinion, you're not developing the qb if you're throwing to a non rb getting 8 ypc. That throw has nothing to do towards development. Thats basically turning the qb into checkdown charlie. Then when you get into the money zone and the defense squeeze those out, you kick fg's . I'm not opposed to upgrading the wr talent, but there are better options that will give him a clearer picture of the defense.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I did not think Caserio would pick up any WRs even if Metchie returned late season so have not reviewed other team's possible cast offs in this position. His diagnosis may have changed that.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
Didn't Dorsett and Conley come out the same year? They're like the same age
Josh Allen would sis
Josh Alle would disagree with you. That was his security blanket. I would like Mills to have that security blanket that Allen had.
Who would you suggest that's better?
Josh Alle would disagree with you. That was his security blanket. I would like Mills to have that security blanket that Allen had.
Who would you suggest that's better?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
You remember the Witten his last year in Dallas? He was like 8 ypc,but it did nothing to develop or improve the offense. Bringing on another older, slower, wr avg 8ypc is not really beneficial to Mills. The defense will give you thos 8 ypc and tackle the wr, then when they get close to the redzone, they just choke that play off. If it were me, I would look for an outside guy. Look at a team that has numbers like Tampa. Somebody is going to get cut who could start for this team. I would bring Fuller back if I could too
At the end of camp would you trade a late rd say a 5th or 6th for Scotty Miller?
Don't want to bring back WFV, once is enough.
Don't want to bring back WFV, once is enough.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
4 sure! I mean teams only carry 6 wrs unless youre the Texans and carry 6 rbs. Look at the money and Gage,Evans,Julio,and Godwin got real money on their contracts. Miller is a late rd pick, Perriman came back where he had his best year. They a wr availible
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Probably a vet minimum contract and can compete for return duties. Could do worse.
Not who I would have signed, but a solid vet for Mills to throw too is a good signing.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Jesus Christ, the vaccine doesn't stop you from catching Covid or spreading the disease. This vaccine isn't like a damn rabbies shot where you don't contract the disease. Also how is a individual who makes a personal medical decision being selfish?
Everyone is free to make their own decision whether to get the shot or not. If you're that scared by all means take the damn shot, they're free if that's your prerogative.. Just like I have the choice to not take the shot if I have decided that I don't want it after weighing the possible negative outcomes. That's my decision, no one else's, and it doesn't make me a selfish person for making that decision either.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I hate that site.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
True. But unlike a lot of the JAG WRs on the team, Rogers has some special teams ability.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Speaking of WRs rumors of Nico Collins becoming a stud are coming from TC. Many podcasts and reporters are saying he is making huge catches. Along with he looks more relaxed and is running very good routes. I have not seen footage but at what 6' 4 and 220ish I really hope the reports are true
vtech9
All Pro
I'm hearing reports that Nico isn't getting any separation, and is having problems breaking free of press coverage at the line. I'm hearing his only positive so far is his size, and ability to win jump balls. I'm not there, so it's only hearsay.
DeAndre Hopkins has made a pretty good career for himself doing exactly that.
vtech9
All Pro
Not getting separation, yes, but D'Hop never had much of a problem beating press coverage off of the line.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That’s not what I’m hearing. Coty and several others are saying he’s having a awesome camp. Started off rough but picked it up on day 2.