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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns

justmy2cents said:
I agree with giving Savage a serious shot. I don't see anyone close to a Franchise QB in this draft. Retain that 2nd rd pick that we just gave away, add it to our first in 2018, and move up to get said franchise qb. 2018 is going to be another draft like last year .... strong QB stock ! You can't draft them if they're not there ! BTW, they just announced that the Browns didn't really want Brosweiller .... they just wanted the 2nd rd pick !!
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What's not being seriously considered in our loss of the 2nd rnd pick..............you can get yourself a dang good player and lock him up for at least 5 years for relative peanuts...........long term loss for poor short term decision.........and the trade off will be made even worse when we go for Romo for a price that doesn't resemble a fire sale.
 
thunderkyss said:
Sam Darnold
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You think that he will be available in the late second rd next year or were you planning on packaging this 2nd with something else to move up? From what I've read, he looks like a 2018 1st rounder. And that's if he decides to leave USC early, which isn't a given.
 
Lucky said:
If Romo is cut, he becomes what's referred to as a street free agent. Like Manning was when the Colts released him. They're not considered in compensation as the team willfully lost the players. And because they aren't considered for the team losing the player, they aren't considered for the team acquiring the player.
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Thanks for the clarification.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
The going after Brady on the sideline, or the news of OB and Os getting into an altercation aren't the only examples of OB loosing his cool...

I'm starting to worry OB can't handle the pressure...

https://streamable.com/zfmz
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I don't have a problem w/ OB losing his cool -- I actually love the passion. I also don't have a problem w/ a qb or any other player or coach responding when he comes at them like that -- I want a team full of passionate guys that get their blood up from time to time and hug it out afterwards. It's just ridiculous to me (not referring to you) to extrapolate from all this that personnel decisions are made because OB comes at guys and they respond in like manner and now that person needs to be cut because they don't 'get along' w/ OB. There isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't have incidents like this from time to time during the season -- it's not a big deal.
 
Max said:
I don't have a problem w/ OB losing his cool -- I actually love the passion. I also don't have a problem w/ a qb or any other player or coach responding when he comes at them like that -- I want a team full of passionate guys that get their blood up from time to time and hug it out afterwards. It's just ridiculous to me (not referring to you) to extrapolate from all this that personnel decisions are made because OB comes at guys and they respond in like manner and now that person needs to be cut because they don't 'get along' w/ OB. There isn't a team in the NFL that doesn't have incidents like this from time to time during the season -- it's not a big deal.
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I can get down with this thinking. I'm not real sure that the rumor is suggesting that Osweiler was cut all because of that situation. Osweiler was cut mid season, it just didn't make financial sense to do it. If he really was causing issue in the locker room, it makes a bit more sense why they'd want to straight up toss him aside.

As I've been saying, he was horrible. This ain't Brady. This ain't anybody compentent in any manner. This is a guy who straight sucks.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What's not being seriously considered in our loss of the 2nd rnd pick..............you can get yourself a dang good player and lock him up for at least 5 years for relative peanuts...........long term loss for poor short term decision.........and the trade off will be made even worse when we go for Romo for a price that doesn't resemble a fire sale.
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Quick fix band aid mentality, pretty much sums up McNair's M. O.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What's not being seriously considered in our loss of the 2nd rnd pick..............you can get yourself a dang good player and lock him up for at least 5 years for relative peanuts...........long term loss for poor short term decision.........and the trade off will be made even worse when we go for Romo for a price that doesn't resemble a fire sale.
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Yeah, just think, we could have had Jimmy Garappolo with our 2nd a few years ago...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What's not being seriously considered in our loss of the 2nd rnd pick..............you can get yourself a dang good player and lock him up for at least 5 years for relative peanuts...........long term loss for poor short term decision.........and the trade off will be made even worse when we go for Romo for a price that doesn't resemble a fire sale.
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Exactly.

What exactly is $10 million in capspace worth after most free agents are gone?

Typical O'Brien move to criminally undervalue draft picks.
 
Also, I read that Osweillers contract has offset language for his guaranteed salary. So had we cut him, he might have signed elsewhere for a small amount, but it would have lessened the 19m hit this year had we cut him.
 
TejasTom said:
This news reminds me of the old saying...
The best 2 days in a boat owners life, the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
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This is the best post in the thread. It perfectly sums it up. Even us guys who are bent about losing the 2nd, more than others, got a little satisfaction.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
What's not being seriously considered in our loss of the 2nd rnd pick..............you can get yourself a dang good player and lock him up for at least 5 years for relative peanuts...........long term loss for poor short term decision.........and the trade off will be made even worse when we go for Romo for a price that doesn't resemble a fire sale.
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Meh. 50-50 chance with Smith making the selection. I highly value draft picks and I'm not overly butt hurt about this. I actually thought it was quite creative. It would be nice to know which side started the negotiations. My gut says the Browns did.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
The purpose of the interview is more to find out just that more can he do the job, but does he fit.

Don't the coaches all tell us how informative the 15 minute combine interviews are?

Of course, he could snow the Texans at the interview, but I am sure how handing someone 72 million and not actually talking to him (even behind the scenes some way) is justifiable.
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It certainly makes zero sense why the Texans didn't fly up to meet Osweiler. I just don't see how that would've precluded the signing.

Osweiler was a bad signing because he played like crap. He didn't play as well as he did in Denver. Brock is to blame. O'Brien is to blame. The page has now turned. The lesson to be learned should be, find someone that can evaluate QBs.
 
DocBar said:
Meh. 50-50 chance with Smith making the selection. I highly value draft picks and I'm not overly butt hurt about this. I actually thought it was quite creative. It would be nice to know which side started the negotiations. My gut says the Browns did.
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The radio announced that the Browns did. But credit was also given to Smith. This type of deal had been put forward several times in the past but always rejected by the second party. Smith is being given credit for having the cajones to be the first to accept such a radical, for the NFL, proposition.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
The argument with Brady was mild, the only reason it got attention was because it involved Tom Brady.
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Oh really?

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Video already posted upthread.



I've really got to read these things to the end before posting
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Lucky said:
It certainly makes zero sense why the Texans didn't fly up to meet Osweiler. I just don't see how that would've precluded the signing.
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The CBA doesn't allow teams to contact pending free agents until they are free agents. The "tampering" period allows teams to high level contract talks with the agents.

For some reason the Texans felt a strong need to have him signed the first day of the new league year. So actually talking to Osweiler was out of the question.
 
thunderkyss said:
For some reason the Texans felt a strong need to have him signed the first day of the new league year. So actually talking to Osweiler was out of the question.
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They could have been in Denver or Missoula or wherever Brock was at T= Free Agency Period. Not really an excuse or out of the question.
 
Lucky said:
They could have been in Denver or Missoula or wherever Brock was at T= Free Agency Period. No really an excuse or out of the question.
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Certainly could have.

JMO this is all BS though - rumor mongering after the fact. Similar to not a peep of misconduct from Mallett until a long list of grievances was alleged as he was cut. I'm getting a picture OB is a shut up and listen coach.
 
infantrycak said:
Certainly could have.

JMO this is all BS though - rumor mongering after the fact. Similar to not a peep of misconduct from Mallett until a long list of grievances was alleged as he was cut. I'm getting a picture OB is a shut up and listen coach.
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It is BS, because if Mallett or Osweiler had played worth a damn, there wouldn't have been big blowups. Their common denominator is that they both suck. Smith and O'Brien's common denominator is that neither can pick a good QB. I guess my question is - Who's going to pick the next QB?
 
Lucky said:
It is BS, because if Mallett or Osweiler had played worth a damn, there wouldn't have been big blowups. Their common denominator is that they both suck. Smith and O'Brien's common denominator is that neither can pick a good QB. I guess my question is - Who's going to pick the next QB?
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Different issue. Not disputing either or both didn't play their way out of their jobs. That doesn't change the origin/veracity of these friction stories. Yeah, yeah if they played like Brady they wouldn't be on the chopping block. That's avoiding the facts. They didn't but the Texans had lots of ways to handle that failure.
 
Not talking about anyone in particular, but interesting to see some of the guys with more negative takes in here and the Romo thread starting to hedge their positions in case something good comes from all of this. The powers that be don't have the luxury of knowing if we'll be able to sign Romo or if he'll stay healthy or if we're able to pry away another quality qb or who they'll be able to sign with the freed up cap space -- but the critics act as though they should know the future. I think a more fair judgment is on our teams willingness to stick their neck out to make big moves towards a championship -- not every team would make the bold moves we have in the last few year. It feels like there's some hope for this coming season if things fall into place -- hope that wouldn't have existed if we did nothing. I don't mind the criticism about our ability to evaluate talent -- seems a perfectly justified take and I'm not saying RSMith and McNair are beyond criticism, but everything our GM does is the worst decision ever? Criticize all you want, but I think it says more about you as a critic (w/ an eye towards revising your take as things unfold) than it does our Owner/GM.
 
Max said:
Not talking about anyone in particular, but interesting to see some of the guys with more negative takes in here and the Romo thread starting to hedge their positions...
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I don't want Romo. But I'm not all negative about it. I know they're going to do what they're going to do, regardless what I think.

But I've always enjoyed watching Romo play. He's fun to watch. But I've always felt that he'll never win a Super Bowl & that's what I'd like the Texans to do.

I don't have a crystal ball. Romo may be like Elway & win a Super Bowl or two on his way out... who knows? Even healthy, I don't think it will happen.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want Romo. But I'm not all negative about it. I know they're going to do what they're going to do, regardless what I think.

But I've always enjoyed watching Romo play. He's fun to watch. But I've always felt that he'll never win a Super Bowl & that's what I'd like the Texans to do.

I don't have a crystal ball. Romo may be like Elway & win a Super Bowl or two on his way out... who knows? Even healthy, I don't think it will happen.
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I like Romo, I think he plays well.

He won't stay healthy.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't want Romo. But I'm not all negative about it. I know they're going to do what they're going to do, regardless what I think.

But I've always enjoyed watching Romo play. He's fun to watch. But I've always felt that he'll never win a Super Bowl & that's what I'd like the Texans to do.

I don't have a crystal ball. Romo may be like Elway & win a Super Bowl or two on his way out... who knows? Even healthy, I don't think it will happen.
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I've always enjoyed watching and waiting for the inevitable moment Romo chokes. Sometimes I'm caught off guard and he doesn't.
 
Romo spent his entire career in Dallas. A lot of those years were spent with Garrett as either the OC or HC. His returns...1 playoff victory and some nasty injuries of late. I just don't get why some fans think that Romo would walk in on year one and suddenly take this team to the Super Bowl...and I thought I was optimistic. First, Romo has never played for O'Brien, he's never played in a offensive system like O'Brien's and he's never played a snap with this offensive personnel. Secondly, he's not arriving to a team that has a running game even remotely in the league of what Murray brought to Dallas (Romo's year) or what EE brought to Prescott's successful in his first season. The TE position will be a big step down versus what Romo was used to in Dallas. Should I even try and compare OL's?

Romo would be walking into the same situation that has plagued every QB who's tried to win with the Texans. Will not be able to utilize entire playbook for at least a couple of seasons and while they've all been forced to execute a watered-down version of the offense behind a watered-down version of an OL. At what point does this organization finally realize that their approach has failed miserably? Especially if winning a Super Bowl or being perineal winners of the division and conference crowns was their target. it seems to me that they have become complacent with 9 wins and a lucky division crown when fate hands it to them. Throw in a couple of RD1 playoff victories and this FO thinks they're something special.

Signing Romo at this juncture will just become another financial disaster. Some of the building blocks are in place but there are too many holes overall to fix through FA and the draft before it all boils down to the Texans being a broken down 38 year old QB away from winning the Super Bowl.
 
Romo spent his entire career in Dallas. A lot of those years were spent with Garrett as either the OC or HC. His returns...1 playoff victory and some nasty injuries of late. I just don't get why some fans think that Romo would walk in on year one and suddenly take this team to the Super Bowl...and I thought I was optimistic. First, Romo has never played for O'Brien, he's never played in a offensive system like O'Brien's and he's never played a snap with this offensive personnel. Secondly, he's not arriving to a team that has a running game even remotely in the league of what Murray brought to Dallas (Romo's year) or what EE brought to Prescott's successful in his first season. The TE position will be a big step down versus what Romo was used to in Dallas. Should I even try and compare OL's?

Romo would be walking into the same situation that has plagued every QB who's tried to win with the Texans. Will not be able to utilize entire playbook for at least a couple of seasons and while they've all been forced to execute a watered-down version of the offense behind a watered-down version of an OL. At what point does this organization finally realize that their approach has failed miserably? Especially if winning a Super Bowl or being perineal winners of the division and conference crowns was their target. it seems to me that they have become complacent with 9 wins and a lucky division crown when fate hands it to them. Throw in a couple of RD1 playoff victories and this FO thinks they're something special.

Signing Romo at this juncture will just become another financial disaster. Some of the building blocks are in place but there are too many holes overall to fix through FA and the draft before it all boils down to the Texans being a broken down 38 year old QB away from winning the Super Bowl.
 
Honestly?

I'll take becoming enjoyable to watch again. At this stage, I pretty much ******* hate watching and following the Texans. We're boring, we have zero identity, we're terribly coached and terribly prepared especially against every major opponent. We're hardly even likable off the field or as a model franchise anymore. I'd do anything to feel excitement for games and more importantly DURING games. I used to wait all week anxiously and would love waking up to watch Football Sunday but the past three years, this feeling has gotten progressively non-existent and I pretty much feel nothing positive about the sport or the team I root for.

Frankly, before we discuss Romo coming in and helping us win a Super Bowl, we should discuss Romo coming in and making us WATCHABLE again. We watch football to be entertained and to enjoy it. I don't buy into "win whichever way you can" because you're supposed to love the team you watch regardless. We have pretty much zero likable characteristics at the moment outside of JJ Watt's presence as a player, leader, teammate, and presence on the football landscape. Even if we somehow won last year, it wouldn't have been very enjoyable because I see no pleasure in what's happened in Houston the last 3 years and first and foremost I want to address that.

So whether it's Romo or Cutler or whoever this Mahomes guy is or maybe even some refugee or some ****, whoever and whatever makes this team likable again, that's what I'm rooting for.
 
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My dad has spent 37 years trying to make me a Cowboys fan. I went from Oilers to Steelers (because of the Oilers) to the Texans. Unlike Matrix finding Romo a thin reason to force himself to watch the Texans, I spend every day trying NOT to say 'I'm out'. Hell, I used to be here every day as part of the community, now I'm just around because I've had too much to drink. Dad's wish has caught hold over the past few seasons, and I see a new Emmitt Smith poster on my wall in the near future. Our GURU is so awesome that he and his wtf management think that a little bit of cap space is worth a 2nd round pick.

All the Kubiak hate is coming back huh. He built this franchise, until Smith became the 'godfather' and things started going sideways.
 
I mean I want to find a way to like watching the team because I'm a Texans fan. But there have been quite a few games over the last three years that I've turned off early, missed watching entirely, was just able to listen via phone app or didn't catch in any way due to choice or circumstance, and it barely bothered me because I knew I wasn't missing anything special. I was missing predictably uninspired, boring, garbage, undisciplined, pointless play.

I used to watch games, often standing up, yelling and clapping after every play but the last three years I've basically just laid down in bed and watched like I was watching mindless filler.

It's a shitty feeling.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Will not be able to utilize entire playbook for at least a couple of seasons and while they've all been forced to execute a watered-down version of the offense...
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Why? Is the playbook written in Cryillic and Romo only reads Italian? Transcribe the playbook into Italian. Easy fix.

Jeez. Some of the anti-Romo excuses are getting absurd. Just say, "I don't like the guy" and be done with it.
 
Lucky said:
Why? Is the playbook written in Cryillic and Romo only reads Italian? Transcribe the playbook into Italian. Easy fix.

Jeez. Some of the anti-Romo excuses are getting absurd. Just say, "I don't like the guy" and be done with it.
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I could be wrong, but I think that was meant more as an indictment of OBriens "complicated system" than of Romo.

My anti Romo excuse is only that he is fragile and the Texans haven't had much success with fragile players.

Being a Texan fan you should understand this sentiment.

:coffee:
 
cuppacoffee said:
I could be wrong, but I think that was meant more as an indictment of OBriens "complicated system" than of Romo.
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Mythology to make OB sound like some sort of offensive guru. Belichick and his staff plug and play people annually not on some 3 year plan before they can comprehend the full play book.

More specific to Romo, he is known to have almost Manning like ability/dedication to breaking down film, analyzing offenses, designing plays, etc.
 
Lucky said:
Why? Is the playbook written in Cryillic and Romo only reads Italian? Transcribe the playbook into Italian. Easy fix.

Jeez. Some of the anti-Romo excuses are getting absurd. Just say, "I don't like the guy" and be done with it.
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I don't think that there is any doubt that if Romo plays like the Romo of old, he'll provide the best QB play we've ever had, by far, and from the jump.

It's just kind of absurd to think he's going to remain healthy all year and through the playoffs.
 
infantrycak said:
Mythology to make OB sound like some sort of offensive guru. Belichick and his staff plug and play people annually not on some 3 year plan before they can comprehend the full play book.

More specific to Romo, he is known to have almost Manning like ability/dedication to breaking down film, analyzing offenses, designing plays, etc.
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Agree with the mythology.

Not dismissing Romo's abilities, only his availability Maybe he could make a good coach, we do need an OC.

:coffee:
 
Week 17 altercation was last straw for Texans and Osweilerhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...weiler/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Confusion emerged during the second quarter as to whether Savage had been cleared to return to action. At halftime, Savage got the news: He was being shut down for the day.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Savage became very upset, knocking things around in the locker room and otherwise making a ruckus about having his status jeopardized by a doctor’s decision to keep him from playing. At or about the same time, coach Bill O’Brien informed Osweiler that he’d be finishing the game.

Osweiler, per the source, reacted negatively, telling O’Brien in the visiting coach’s office at Nissan Stadium in Nashville that he’s only playing Osweiler because O’Brien needs him. [Editor’s note: That’s sort of how football depth charts work.] An argument ensued, voices were raised. At one point, it’s believed that Osweiler got up to walk away and O’Brien threw out an arm to stop him. That prompted Osweiler to act as if he were being “held hostage,” a claim that he would repeat (per the source) in the days after the game.
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So it looks like I was probably wrong about this only being about OS sucking. So we gave up a 2nd because OS is a cry baby.
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infantrycak said:
Mythology to make OB sound like some sort of offensive guru. Belichick and his staff plug and play people annually not on some 3 year plan before they can comprehend the full play book.

More specific to Romo, he is known to have almost Manning like ability/dedication to breaking down film, analyzing offenses, designing plays, etc.
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I'm not sure that this whole "complicated offense" argument is meant to make OB look like an offensive genius, more the opposite.
 
Maybe a pattern for O'Brien.... but the "held hostage" thing might be the funniest thing I have read in awhile.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Romo spent his entire career in Dallas. A lot of those years were spent with Garrett as either the OC or HC. His returns...1 playoff victory and some nasty injuries of late. I just don't get why some fans think that Romo would walk in on year one and suddenly take this team to the Super Bowl...and I thought I was optimistic. First, Romo has never played for O'Brien, he's never played in a offensive system like O'Brien's and he's never played a snap with this offensive personnel. Secondly, he's not arriving to a team that has a running game even remotely in the league of what Murray brought to Dallas (Romo's year) or what EE brought to Prescott's successful in his first season. The TE position will be a big step down versus what Romo was used to in Dallas. Should I even try and compare OL's?

Romo would be walking into the same situation that has plagued every QB who's tried to win with the Texans. Will not be able to utilize entire playbook for at least a couple of seasons and while they've all been forced to execute a watered-down version of the offense behind a watered-down version of an OL. At what point does this organization finally realize that their approach has failed miserably? Especially if winning a Super Bowl or being perineal winners of the division and conference crowns was their target. it seems to me that they have become complacent with 9 wins and a lucky division crown when fate hands it to them. Throw in a couple of RD1 playoff victories and this FO thinks they're something special.

Signing Romo at this juncture will just become another financial disaster. Some of the building blocks are in place but there are too many holes overall to fix through FA and the draft before it all boils down to the Texans being a broken down 38 year old QB away from winning the Super Bowl.
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Precisely why my personal preference is to go with Savage, Weeden and a mid-round pick. Then next year go all in with a first round pick.
 
FuzzyLogic said:
Maybe a pattern for O'Brien.... but the "held hostage" thing might be the funniest thing I have read in awhile.
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Unfortunately this type of behavior seems to follow O'Brien around and it creates a negative perception, especially for free agents who are looking for a new team to play for.
 
Or perhaps Texans have zeroed in identifying and agreeing on specific player (QB) via the draft (would that be too much to ask?).
 
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