Texans random thought of the day

[Scooter]

If that was the excuse O'Brien would have allocated more help to his o-line in the first 3 weeks. He didn't he left Rankin and Davenport on an island far to often, he didn't start really giving help to our line until last week.

Which wasn't actual help, it was last year's Clemson offense. Mixing motion and stacked backfield to give players not on the line the chance to get clean blocks. Resulted in near max-protect situations, but like last year gave Watson the time to see the field and make plays.

 

[steelbtexan]

The Patriots also live with a below average Oline (IMO). But they have an OC that can game plan for that. OB can't game plan for a trip to the crapper. I think if OB could game plan like he thought he was in New England, this Oline would be just fine. Not good, but just good enough.

How many Welker's/Edelman's or Gronkowski's are on the Texans roster?

Coutee has potential.

 

[Scooter]

Tell me Myers/Smith were on their last legs and ZBS type OL. Newton sucked and Ricky didn't want to pay Brooks due to his misdiagnosed anxiety issues. Look we've been over this many times and this is going nowhere. If you want to say BOB/Devlin/Gaine sucks because they thought signing a bunch of backup OL to be starters was a good idea then I can get on board with that.

Again, loads of excuses.

 

[Shishkabob]

Which wasn't actual help, it was last year's Clemson offense. Mixing motion and stacked backfield to give players not on the line the chance to get clean blocks. Resulted in near max-protect situations, but like last year gave Watson the time to see the field and make plays.

well pre snap motion, leaving TEs in to block more or at least chipping is giving them help. He rarely did that in the first few weeks, then went back to doing it more last week. Watson went from being pressued over 50% of his drop backs to 36% I wonder why?

Only O'Brien and Devlin were dumb enough to have a rookie LT with 0 experience even in the off season, and a very green RT play on islands and not allocate help for them. People on here keep saying the Chiefs have a decent line, and they do, but even with that Reid has still ran more max protect looks, and given his blockers help more than anyone else this season, and he has experienced tackles

 

[steelbtexan]

Again, loads of excuses.

Truth isn't excuses.

Were Smith/Myers not on their last legs or Newton sucked?

 

[Shishkabob]

Truth isn't excuses.

Were Smith/Myers not on their last legs or Newton sucked?

Newton actually rounded out into one of the better RTs in the league before his knees exploded

 

[Scooter]

Truth isn't excuses.

Were Smith/Myers not on their last legs or Newton sucked?

Would all 3 in spite of age and ailments not be better than our current offensive line?

I can't wait for this lie and/or excuse.

Guess why they would still be better, and it isn't draft status or draft acumen or their paychecks or their criminal history.

 

[Texansballer74]

Actually he let Watson run more of the Clemson offense. Hopefully it's because Watson is getting healthier and not out of desperation.

Clearly out of desperation.

 

[DocBar]

Newton actually rounded out into one of the better RTs in the league before his knees exploded

Newton's only above average season was in his contract year. He got paid and immediately started sucking again.

 

[Scooter]

Newton actually rounded out into one of the better RTs in the league before his knees exploded

No not really, he only seemed that way because by that point O'Brien had collapsed our line and he became the best of the worst (instead of being the worst). Newton was fairly competent, and that's pretty much the highpoint of his career.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

No not really, he only seemed that way because by that point O'Brien had collapsed our line and he became the best of the worst (instead of being the worst). Newton was fairly competent, and that's pretty much the highpoint of his career.

This is what a remember of Newton, that he was average to below average but a functional NFL player that an oline could survive having if the other members are better.

The current problem is that our two best OLmen, Fulton and Martin, are performing at that level where Newton was more times than not.

 

[Shishkabob]

This is what a remember of Newton, that he was average to below average but a functional NFL player that an oline could survive having if the other members are better.

The current problem is that our two best OLmen, Fulton and Martin, are performing at that level where Newton was more times than not.

Newton was fairly good in '14 and '15 graded out with a score higher than 80 in both those seasons. Was PFF's 26th ranked tackle in '14 out of 83, and was their 22nd our of 77 in '15. People put blinders on in regards to Newton because of his early career struggles

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-derek-newton-hits-reservepup-expected-to-miss-2017

 

[Scooter]

This is what a remember of Newton, that he was average to below average but a functional NFL player that an oline could survive having if the other members are better.

When O'Brien took over, Newton was the weakest link and had been for a year or two. One of the biggest reasons myself and others pushed for Matthews instead of Clowney was to replace Newton since he was the weak link holding us back. The rest of the line had older players who were still talented but on their way out, but had strong backups like Ben Jones and just needed backups to coach up. Instead we quickly dropped everyone except for Newton, literally our worst offensive lineman - and actually gave him a new contract. We didn't coach anybody up, because we couldn't. And instead of holding onto our players as common sense dictates, we dropped starter after starter.

 

[Thorn]

 

[austins23]

How many Welker's/Edelman's or Gronkowski's are on the Texans roster?

Coutee has potential.

Gronk I'll give you, but Welker/Edelman are a product of that OC/system and Brady. My point was that that team game plans on offense to hide its deficiencies. OB, not so much.

 

[AcresHomesTexan]

Newton was fairly good in '14 and '15 graded out with a score higher than 80 in both those seasons. Was PFF's 26th ranked tackle in '14 out of 83, and was their 22nd our of 77 in '15. People put blinders on in regards to Newton because of his early career struggles

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-derek-newton-hits-reservepup-expected-to-miss-2017

Thanks for the actual numbers versus my memory.

 

[austins23]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/10/04/nfl-offense-passing-records-through-four-weeks

We’ve seen this scene unfold everywhere in the NFL this fall.

First down. Receiver coming uninterrupted off the line, and unbothered by the threat of contact. Defense geared to respect the run. Offense raring to take a shot. Touchdown.

“They are playing aggressively on early downs,” said one rival quarterbacks coach. “And that’s a trend sweeping the league.”

Through three weeks, Bucs QB Ryan Fitzpatrick was throwing more on first down than any other down (with former Oklahoma State OC Todd Monken calling the plays), completing 31 of 44 throws on those plays for 627 yards five touchdowns, a pick and a 141.3 rating. We used a first-down play from Goff to kick the column off, and he’s been pretty good on those too—going 46 of 56 for 668 yards, six touchdowns, no picks and a 152.1 rating. Teams are also more aggressive on fourth down, which is a factor in extending drives.

HAHA!! Ya, but we have Lamar Miller and he is gonna break one going up the middle on first down!!!
OB trying to be the smartest guy in the room!

By comparison to the stats in blue, Watson is 33 of 55 for 464 yards, ZERO TD's, 1 INT, 7 sacks and a 79.7 rating.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

After a 1-3 start, the Texans have a 23.1 percent chance of making the playoffs

 

[jshabang]

The last 2 years, Bryant has been a distraction to his team and has seemed to blame everyone except himself for his decreasing production.

As far as injuries, he is laden with a long list, especially in the last few years.

Throughout the 2017 season, he was slowed by a chronic (since 2013) "knee tendonitis".......probably aggravated by the patellar (kneecap) fracture in 2016
In addition, throughout the 2017 season, his ankle also dogged him (a progressive problem with the ankle he fractured the end of 2015)
Dec 2016, he started having back problems
Sep 25, 2016 knee patella Fracture Dez suffered a hairline fracture in his knee during Week 3.
Aug 22, 2016 suffered a concussion in a preseason practice and sat out the final 2 preseason games.
Dec 19, 2015 ankle fracture Bryant had loose bone chips removed from the front of his right ankle, which had generated pain and swelling.
Dec 19, 2015 aggravated his fractured Jones foot fracture and required a 2nd revision surgery.
Sep 13, 2015 Jones fracture (5th metatarsal) in his right foot. He had surgery 9/14 and missed the next 5 games (with a Week 6 bye mixed in).
Aug 6, 2015 hamstring tear grade 2 in an early-August TC practice and sat out all 4 preseason games.
Sep 8, 2013 mid foot sprain and played through the issue.
Dec 9, 2012 left index finger fracture in Week 14, played through the season but required surgery in the offseason.
Oct 28, 2012 bruised his right hip but didn't miss a game.
Aug 20, 2012 knee sprain and sat out 2 preseason games while dealing with accompanying patellar tendinitis in his right knee, also known as "jumper's knee."
Sep 11, 2011 a thigh bruise , missed time.
Dec 5, 2010 right fibula fracture, placed on IR.

Some of his injuries did not have him miss time, but many resulted in obvious negative effects on his performance.

Bottom line he is a troubled player..............troubled both by injury and attitude..........with a sense of entitlement and no insight into his present ability and worth.

I get what you saying from a Free Agent stand point....... maybe you don’t give either one a look....... but you are the resident Dr here....... you see the shape our receivers and DB’s are in ....... the injury report today says it all....... our receivers been on it with soft tissue injuries since training camp....... same with DB’s

So maybe you don’t give Dez or Cory a kick in the tires in free agency for the above mentioned history ....... but we are gonna have to sign some street free agents for both positions at some point because they dropping like flies........ so you saying you rather a no name instead at least giving those guys a shot......???? Especially since we gonna have to do it anyway with the hamstring issues of our receivers...... which you know better then I do will linger ALL SEASON AND WORSE if we don’t actually sit those guys to fully or at least 80% health

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't think its completely that, because he did this with all 12 QB'S who has played in his system.

Not 1 of which could hold Watson's jock.

 

[steelbtexan]

Newton actually rounded out into one of the better RTs in the league before his knees exploded

LOL, this tells me we cant have an honest discussion if you really believe this. Newton after his contract yr (Shocker) went back to sucking.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

I get what you saying from a Free Agent stand point....... maybe you don’t give either one a look....... but you are the resident Dr here....... you see the shape our receivers and DB’s are in ....... the injury report today says it all....... our receivers been on it with soft tissue injuries since training camp....... same with DB’s

So maybe you don’t give Dez or Cory a kick in the tires in free agency for the above mentioned history ....... but we are gonna have to sign some street free agents for both positions at some point because they dropping like flies........ so you saying you rather a no name instead at least giving those guys a shot......???? Especially since we gonna have to do it anyway with the hamstring issues of our receivers...... which you know better then I do will linger ALL SEASON AND WORSE if we don’t actually sit those guys to fully or at least 80% health

I'll stand by my previous posts. Attitude and selective effort (all you had to do is watch Hard Knocks) and injury history all go into my saying no. BTW, with concern over our hamstrung players, Coleman sustained a severe hamstring tear just the very beginning of June..........was released by the Browns while still rehabbing his hamstring in Aug...........was picked up by the Bills and 1 month later still could not shake his hamstring.........and had to be released by the Bills in Sept. He was picked up and released twice in the last month by the Pats (the last time, from the PS). There's a reason why he has not been signed to date.

 

[steelbtexan]

Would all 3 in spite of age and ailments not be better than our current offensive line?

I can't wait for this lie and/or excuse.

Guess why they would still be better, and it isn't draft status or draft acumen or their paychecks or their criminal history.

They all retired/weren't re-signed by any team in the NFL. So no they wouldn't be better. A better question to ask is why didn't other teams knock down their doors trying to sign them after the Texans let them go?

 

[Texansballer74]

Not 1 of which could hold Watson's jock.

Lol indeed but not my point.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Not 1 of which could hold Watson's jock.

Oh, I don't know about that. With proper instruction and with a full offseason and preseason to practice, I'm sure they could all be taught to handle Watson's jock with great finesse.

 

[steelbtexan]

Oh, I don't know about that. With proper instruction and with a full offseason and preseason to practice, I'm sure they could all be taught to handle Watson's jock with great finesse.

Great stuff Doc

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Texans PR‏Verified account@TexansPR 3h3 hours ago


In Week 4 at IND, #Texans WR @DeAndreHopkins finished with 169 receiving yards on 10 receptions (16.9 avg.) and one touchdown. He has gained at least 60 scrimmage yards in every game since Week 8 of the 2017 season, which is the longest streak in the NFL and longest of his career

 

[infantrycak]

Hate made up stats.

But fyi, he barely played game #7, coming out with an injury.

 

[Shishkabob]

LOL, this tells me we cant have an honest discussion if you really believe this. Newton after his contract yr (Shocker) went back to sucking.

Can anyone have an honest discussion with you, everytime you get proven wrong you just ignore the facts move to the next thread and bring up your same tired ass argument.

I was refering to his 2014 and 2015 season if you read my posts in which he graded out as one of the leagues top RTs. Signed his contract then dropped from grading at around an 80 to a 67(which was still slightly above average for RTs and much better than we have now) Or we can look at it this way, by far his 2 worst games that year he went against Justin Houston, and Von Miller, oh man a tackle being left on an island against 2 all pro pass rushers geeze I wonder what will happen. Maybe it had something to do with the person we had running our offense not knowing how to properly adjust protections, I mean Brock wasn't any good at any other aspect of his job why would he be good at that? Or maybe just maybe his knees didn't magically explode because of the force coming off of Von Miller as he raced by, maybe just maybe the world renowned Texans medical staff missed diagnosed some problem with his knees that affected his play. Oh man sorry I forgot not to discuss logic, reason, or facts with you.

 

[steelbtexan]

Can anyone have an honest discussion with you, everytime you get proven wrong you just ignore the facts move to the next thread and bring up your same tired ass argument.

I was refering to his 2014 and 2015 season if you read my posts in which he graded out as one of the leagues top RTs. Signed his contract then dropped from grading at around an 80 to a 67(which was still slightly above average for RTs and much better than we have now) Or we can look at it this way, by far his 2 worst games that year he went against Justin Houston, and Von Miller, oh man a tackle being left on an island against 2 all pro pass rushers geeze I wonder what will happen. Maybe it had something to do with the person we had running our offense not knowing how to properly adjust protections, I mean Brock wasn't any good at any other aspect of his job why would he be good at that? Or maybe just maybe his knees didn't magically explode because of the force coming off of Von Miller as he raced by, maybe just maybe the world renowned Texans medical staff missed diagnosed some problem with his knees that affected his play. Oh man sorry I forgot not to discuss logic, reason, or facts with you.

Facts are he played his best during a contract yr, got paid and went back to sucking. Anything else is being disingenious. I do agree the Texans medical staff could've played a part in Newton's suckage.

 

[Shishkabob]

Facts are he played his best during a contract yr, got paid and went back to sucking. Anything else is being disingenious. I do agree the Texans medical staff could've played a part in Newton's suckage.

he did play his best during his contract year, not exactly strange for a 4th year player who was drafted in the 7th round to play his best in his 4th year. He also played very well in his 3rd year as I also have point out, Newton had a very good work ethic if he didn't he wouldn't have lasted as long. His regression probably has a lot more to do with the things I pointed out then some random notion that he got paid and stopped caring that you seem to be trying to hint at.

 

[infantrycak]

His regression probably has a lot more to do with the things I pointed out then some random notion that he got paid and stopped caring that you seem to be trying to hint at.

He battled injuries throughout his 5th season. Iirc Doc said he was brought back too quickly at the time.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

He battled injuries throughout his 5th season. Iirc Doc said he was brought back too quickly at the time.

You remembered correctly but it occurred earlier. Everyone remembers his 2016 bilateral patellar tendon ruptures. But most have forgotten that he suffered a similar unilateral patellar tendon tear in the 2012 Dec Thanksgiving game. The patellar tendon degeneration was going on throughout that season leading up to the tear markedly affecting his performance. He only missed 2 games following the Thanksgiving game, and was thrown back to play (obviously hobbled) 3 more regular season games and 2 post season games. Then he went on to have necessary offseason patellar tendon repair. Because of the desperate RT situation at the time, he was brought back way too early for the beginning of the 2013 season. His rehab was totally inadequate, and this was in light of the fact that when he was released to practice, he was still carrying a significant increase of weight due to his injury (in June, he weighed in at ~330 lbs).....not conducive to the ZBS. Patellar tendon tear/rupture is at least 3 times more difficult to come back from compared to an ACL. Newton never really totally recovered from the injury. The type of injury to begin with and the way his injury was handled predicted the rest of his career.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Jon Machota
(@jonmachota)
Jerry Jones on @1053thefan said he wishes Dez Bryant the best, but it's not currently in Dallas' best interest or Bryant's best interest to have him return to the Cowboys. Jones said he is on board with the team's decision to not have Bryant on the team
31 mins ago · Twitter

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

wrong thread

 

[Shishkabob]

Both Clowney and Watt are top 5 in ESPN's new pass rushing metric

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ushing-stats-analytics-explainer-faq-how-work

 

[otisbean]

JJ has been playing very well so far this year, BUT I’d love to see him rushing from inside, ala Aaron Donald, in obvious passing situations with either Whitney or Duke out side. It seemed like the Colts started doubling Watt and Clowney in the second half and just running them past Luck, allowing him to step up in the pocket. Given our struggles in the secondary, we HAVE to generate consistent pressure to keep our DBs from being exposed

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

The Texans worked out OT Tyreek Burwell and OT Rick Leonard.

 

[JB]

Burwell an UDFA that has been through two teams, former Charger released with injury settlement hand(?), released with injury settlement (knee)? from Colts
Leonard... Tall, thin former DE, short arms & tiny hands but strong... former 4th round practice squad guy just released by Saints

To save time for those wanting to know

Geez, Texans are both desperate and clueless

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Burwell an UDFA that has been through two teams, former Colt released with injury settlement hand(?) from Chargers, knee (?) from Colts

Leonard... Tall, thin former DE, short arms & tiny hands but strong

Geez, Texans are both desperate and clueless

Leonard couldn't hold a block in college...........his pass pro was pretty pathetic.........he was drafted in the 4th rnd where most of the League would have had to think twice about picking him up as a UDFA.........for a PS.

 

[Sonny]

Is Obrien 'forcing' Watson to play from the pocket or are defenses forcing him to do so.

Lots of opinions here that Obrien is trying to make Watson into a pocket passer much to his detriment.

Am I unjustly blaming Obrien?

Let him free Amistad style.
Not a pocket player imo.
Kid has a good arm but he can't even punch a hole in an HEB trash bag.
Just sayin'

 

[Sonny]

Is Obrien 'forcing' Watson to play from the pocket or are defenses forcing him to do so.

Lots of opinions here that Obrien is trying to make Watson into a pocket passer much to his detriment.

Am I unjustly blaming Obrien?

Let him free Amistad style.
Not a pocket player imo.
Kid has a good arm but he can't even punch a hole in an HEB trash bag.
Just sayin'

 

[Texansballer74]

Let him free Amistad style.
Not a pocket player imo.
Kid has a good arm but he can't even punch a hole in an HEB trash bag.
Just sayin'

Lol huh Are you saying he's that weak because my 10 year old nephew can punch a hole in an HEB trash bag. Bwhahaha the analogy is classic.

 

[austins23]

Lol huh Are you saying he's that weak because my 10 nephew can punch a hole in an HEB trash bag. Bwhahaha the analogy is classic.

Hey, leave @Sonny alone! His avatar is better than yours!! lol

 

[Texansballer74]

Hey, leave @Sonny alone! His avatar is better than yours!! lol

10000 times better than mines for sure. Lol

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

A very interesting piece of Texans history for those of you that didn't know.

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Dallas Cowboys Owner Jerry Jones Gifted the “Texans” Name to the Houston Texans
October 6, 2018

There is some history between the Houston Texans and Dallas Cowboys in this in-state game set for Sunday Night Football. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was instrumental in landing the Texans for Houston, especially after the Oilers left Houston at the conclusion of the 1996 season.

Jones talked with 105.3 The Fan (Dallas-Forth Worth-KRLD-FM) on the upcoming game and discussed how the Texans name came to be. Jones called Houston one of his favorite places and he spent plenty of time in the city in his younger years prior to buying the Cowboys.

“I feel a kinship there, I really did everything I could do to get a team back into Houston,” Jones said of the Texans franchise. “We are talking about this team, the Texans.”

The Texans were awarded to Houston in 1999 to even the league out to 32 teams after Cleveland was awarded back a team due to their original franchise moving to Baltimore to become the Ravens. The Houston football ownership, led by owner Bob McNair narrowed the team name options down to the Apollos, Bobcats, Stallions, Texans, and Wildcatters. The name “Texans” was eventually selected to become the moniker and McNair reached out to then Kansas Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt to show respect on using the “Texans” name. However, Hunt did not own the name, it was Cowboys owner Jones who owned the rights to the name.

“I had the actual rights on the sports team for ‘Texans.’” Jones explained. “I gave that to Bob McNair and the Texans when they decided that was the name they wanted to use.”

At the time, Jones owned not only had the Cowboys, but was also part of the Arena Football League. The Texans name was owned just in case Jones wanted to use for his AFL team, however he elected to go with the Dallas Desperados.

Jones went into why he owned the name. “It was basically, probably initiated by the interest we had in arena football.”

He continued, “We didn’t end up calling the team the Texans, but that is what made me want to corner off the rights to the Texan name.”

 

[ObsiWan]

Burwell an UDFA that has been through two teams, former Charger released with injury settlement hand(?), released with injury settlement (knee)? from Colts
Leonard... Tall, thin former DE, short arms & tiny hands but strong... former 4th round practice squad guy just released by Saints

To save time for those wanting to know

Geez, Texans are both desperate and clueless

or that illustrates the 'quality' of OL guys still available.

I'm betting anyone worth having already has a job.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

Zachary Binney‏@zbinney_NFLinj
My new NFL injury article has SO MUCH INFO, let's go bit-by-bit: Stadiums: -Excluding Mexico City, 7 most dangerous (and 14 of worst 15) all use artificial turf -Worst grass stadium is CAR -Seattle isn't dangerous b/c the Legion of Boom hurt people https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2018/untangling-nfl-injury-web…

5:14 AM - 4 Oct 2018

 

[IDEXAN]

A very interesting piece of Texans history for those of you that didn't know.

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Dallas Cowboys Owner Jerry Jones Gifted the “Texans” Name to the Houston Texans
October 6, 2018

There is some history between the Houston Texans and Dallas Cowboys in this in-state game set for Sunday Night Football. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was instrumental in landing the Texans for Houston, especially after the Oilers left Houston at the conclusion of the 1996 season.

Jones talked with 105.3 The Fan (Dallas-Forth Worth-KRLD-FM) on the upcoming game and discussed how the Texans name came to be. Jones called Houston one of his favorite places and he spent plenty of time in the city in his younger years prior to buying the Cowboys.

“I feel a kinship there, I really did everything I could do to get a team back into Houston,” Jones said of the Texans franchise. “We are talking about this team, the Texans.”

The Texans were awarded to Houston in 1999 to even the league out to 32 teams after Cleveland was awarded back a team due to their original franchise moving to Baltimore to become the Ravens. The Houston football ownership, led by owner Bob McNair narrowed the team name options down to the Apollos, Bobcats, Stallions, Texans, and Wildcatters. The name “Texans” was eventually selected to become the moniker and McNair reached out to then Kansas Chiefs owner Lamar Hunt to show respect on using the “Texans” name. However, Hunt did not own the name, it was Cowboys owner Jones who owned the rights to the name.

“I had the actual rights on the sports team for ‘Texans.’” Jones explained. “I gave that to Bob McNair and the Texans when they decided that was the name they wanted to use.”

At the time, Jones owned not only had the Cowboys, but was also part of the Arena Football League. The Texans name was owned just in case Jones wanted to use for his AFL team, however he elected to go with the Dallas Desperados.

Jones went into why he owned the name. “It was basically, probably initiated by the interest we had in arena football.”

He continued, “We didn’t end up calling the team the Texans, but that is what made me want to corner off the rights to the Texan name.”

I only wish Jones would have kept the "Texans" handle for his arena league team and given McNair the Desperados name.

 

[badboy]

I only wish Jones would have kept the "Texans" handle for his arena league team and given McNair the Desperados name.

do you think that would jibe with McNair's arguable "no desperado" players? The Eagles singing Desperado would make me sad..sort of like the Texans season.