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Good, you don't like him as much. No sh*t, tk. Though that has nothing to do with the basis of this thread of discussion.

It's not that I don't like him as much.

Three QBs were drafted before our 33 pick. There might have been two teams that might have been in a position to draft a back-up, heir apparent type QB with a second round pick. & if I remember at the time, it was doubtful they would.

You loved him... great. You wouldn't have taken the chance.

I'm not trying to insult Garoppolo, or say he wasn't worthy of the 33rd pick.

All I'm saying is he was available at 60. That's a fact.

The Rick & Bill team has shown more propensity to trade up than aversion. Moving up one spot to get the guy they want, Will Fuller, or several spots, Nix... I can't see why they wouldn't trade up to get him, if they wanted him.
 
Why? He's got Brady, fairly good of getting veterans because he's got Brady. His draft record is on the low side of mediocre, particularly when it comes to QB's

See, I was thinking the same thing. He's this QB savant but what have all of Brady's backups done in the league? Belichick's best trait may be that he shuts the hell up. He knows he has a great thing going and is doing all he can to keep it going. Next QB will probably be the next HC's problem. I see Belichick and Brady riding off together.
 
Why? He's got Brady, fairly good of getting veterans because he's got Brady. His draft record is on the low side of mediocre, particularly when it comes to QB's

He also got Gronk/Solder/Edelman/drafted all of the OL including a UDFA starting center. Drafted Vereen and White who helped him win a SB and this is just on offense. This doesn't even take into account he drafted his Brady insurance in Garappolo. (Out smarting Ricky and crew in the process.

Drafted Wilfork/Hightower/Vrabel/Bruschi/Mayo/UDFA Ninkovich/Butler. Drafted Malcolm Brown/Ty Law etc....

Yeah BB misses a few but he hits more than he misses, Hence multiple Lombardi's. Why? Brady said it best on HK, he works harder than most are willing to work.
 
Patriots draft results: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team

Looks just as iffy as every other teams. Does a good job of finding guys from other teams to fill roles for them. I don't get this love affair with Patriots drafts.

Drafted Wilfork/Hightower/Vrabel/Bruschi/Mayo/UDFA Ninkovich/Butler. Drafted Malcolm Brown/Ty Law etc....

Yeah BB misses a few but he hits more than he misses, Hence multiple Lombardi's. Why? Brady said it best on HK, he works harder than most are willing to work.

Belichick didn't take over until 2000.
Ty Law was drafted in 1995,
Bruschi was in 1996
Vrabel was drafted by Steelers in 1997
Ninkovich was drafted by the Saints in 2006
 
I would've been completely satisfied if RS and O'Brien had decided to with Derek Carr and Gabe Jackson (OG) in 2014 instead of Su'a-Filo and Fiedorowicz. Surprisingly, both guys are starting for the Raiders.
 
I would've been completely satisfied if RS and O'Brien had decided to with Derek Carr and Gabe Jackson (OG) in 2014 instead of Su'a-Filo and Fiedorowicz. Surprisingly, both guys are starting for the Raiders.
Gabe Jackson was my guy but there was no way Houston was drafting another Carr.
 
Patriots draft results: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?teamId=3200&type=team

Looks just as iffy as every other teams. Does a good job of finding guys from other teams to fill roles for them. I don't get this love affair with Patriots drafts.



Belichick didn't take over until 2000.
Ty Law was drafted in 1995,
Bruschi was in 1996
Vrabel was drafted by Steelers in 1997
Ninkovich was drafted by the Saints in 2006

And BB found away to make these guys champions.

I notice how you did a great job of cherry picking thru my post though.
 
And BB found away to make these guys champions.

I notice how you did a great job of cherry picking thru my post though.

Did you look at the all his picks? Like I said, just as suspect as all other GMs. He doesn’t need the extra credit. Lots of shitty picks and some good ones. Stumbling upon Brady was his greatest moment. Let’s not act like they were in love w him.
 
Did you look at the all his picks? Like I said, just as suspect as all other GMs. He doesn’t need the extra credit. Lots of shitty picks and some good ones. Stumbling upon Brady was his greatest moment. Let’s not act like they were in love w him.

Funny how he took a dead team walking to an 11-5 in 1994 just before Modell split town.
 
Didn't know exactly where I should post this, but decided to do it here. There is a good reason why the Texans released him after the college incident. They knew that he would be suspended...........evidently new serious findings have now extended the suspension.


Howard Balzer‏@HBalzer721

Free-agent LB Max Bullough had another 4 games added to suspension. Now suspended for first 8 games of season.

6:12 PM - 15 Aug 2017
 
Steph putting out some good stuff............but not a pretty picture painted by Football Outsiders for the projected Texans 2017 season.

I feel like every year these guys predict doom and gloom for us. Personally, I have zero idea as to how the season will turn out, there are too many unknowns for me. I'm super excited for it to get going though
 
Steph putting out some good stuff............but not a pretty picture painted by Football Outsiders for the projected Texans 2017 season.

At face value... based on what the Texans have done recently, defense holding steady, offense on a steep decline, & our division rivals tracking the other way, the outlook for our club is bleak.

Unless you're convinced the Texans have correctly identified their primary issues & how to fix them, there's no reason to believe the Texans will do well.

It's up to Bill O'Brien to do the unthinkable.
 
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At face value... based on what the Texans have done recently, defense holding steady, offense on a steep decline, & our division rivals tracking the other way, the outlook for our club is bleak.

Unless you're convinced the Texans have correctly identified their primary issues & how to fix them, there's no reason to believe the Texans will do well.

It's up to Bill O'Brien to do the unthinkable.
Don't be so glum chum.

Watson looks like rookie Moon - if he pans out the same way - Championship!
 
How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon

You are right. We need Trent Dilfer to win. Or Brad Johnson.

Did Moon have the defense that the Texans have? If this defense stays healthy it could be really special if everyone plays up to their skill set.

For the last several years all we have been waiting for is a QB that was as good as Schaub when he was at his best and healthy. Moon is a HOF. You mean to tell me Moon in his prime couldn't lead this team to SB?

That's like saying if we didn't have Marino we couldn't win.

C'mon man...
 
Don't be so glum chum.

Watson looks like rookie Moon - if he pans out the same way - Championship!

How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon
You are right. We need Trent Dilfer to win. Or Brad Johnson.

Did Moon have the defense that the Texans have? If this defense stays healthy it could be really special if everyone plays up to their skill set.

For the last several years all we have been waiting for is a QB that was as good as Schaub when he was at his best and healthy. Moon is a HOF. You mean to tell me Moon in his prime couldn't lead this team to SB?

That's like saying if we didn't have Marino we couldn't win.

C'mon man...

Nope,

The difference is that the Oilers were the most talented team of that era. (Even more talented team than the Cowboys. Another difference is Marino never lead (And I use this term loosely) a team to a historical collapse in the playoffs.

Moon isn't a HOF'er in my mind for that reason and the only reasons he got in were 1. Race 2. Pancakes pull on the HOF committee.
 
How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon


Nope,

The difference is that the Oilers were the most talented team of that era. (Even more talented team than the Cowboys. Another difference is Marino never lead (And I use this term loosely) a team to a historical collapse in the playoffs.

Moon isn't a HOF'er in my mind for that reason and the only reasons he got in were 1. Race 2. Pancakes pull on the HOF committee.

Fair argument as to why you think he isn't an HOFer, even if I disagree with why you think he got in.

Marino and Fouts are in the HOF without having won a Lombardi and having some talented teams around them. And Moon didn't play in the league until he was 28 and still finished just a hair under 50K yards and 300 TD's. Those are HOF worthy stats, IMHO.
 
How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon
Better question to me is what would Moon have done with this roster? Impossible to know and I dislike comparing players from different eras.
 
How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon


Nope,

The difference is that the Oilers were the most talented team of that era. (Even more talented team than the Cowboys. Another difference is Marino never lead (And I use this term loosely) a team to a historical collapse in the playoffs.

Moon isn't a HOF'er in my mind for that reason and the only reasons he got in were 1. Race 2. Pancakes pull on the HOF committee.

I know, right? Because that freaking Moon couldn't cover Andre Reed for shit. Or at least get some pressure on the great Frank Reich.

F'ing Moon!
 
M-O-O-N
Tom Cullen: M-O-O-N, that spells "deaf and dumb".

Tom Cullen: M-O-O-N, that spells Tom Cullen.

Tom Cullen: [to Nick] We going to Kansas City?
[Nick shakes his head]
Tom Cullen: To go see the old black lady?
[Nick does a take, mimicks playing a guitar]
Tom Cullen: That's right, she lives out in the corn and she sits out on her front porch and plays the guitar. I wouldn't mind seeing her, but we won't see the other one, will we? The one that turns into a crow? He scares me.

Tom Cullen: M-O-O-N; that spells X!

M-O-O-N. That spells moon.

Frannie Goldsmith: Are you the same Tom that Nick met in Oklahoma?
Tom Cullen: Yes... no. I'm God's Tom.
one of best books I have read. Stephen King's The Stand. Now back to your normal message board entertainment...

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How about Jack Pardee following the unwritten rule between coaches about running up the score!!!! Pardee went conservative run with an offense that featured no TE's!!! Talk about knocking the wind out the sails of his high-octane offense.

Up 35-3 with that much time on the board...I'd have zero pitty and put up another 35+ points. his halftime speech should have been, "lets go drop another 35 on the Bills!" That gentlemanly gesture cost him his team and then his job. Try re-thinking your gesture while you're waiting in the unemployment line. I never liked Barry Switzer when he was Oklahoma but dang...I did love his no mercy attitude and the no mercy attitude of his Sooner teams.

Sad part...my very good friend scored me a ticket to the Super Bowl and I should have been having the time of my life watching the Oilers and the Cowboys...that would have been a much better game than the effort the Bills put forth. To top it all off...sitting 3 rows down from me was a sizable group from the 70's Steelers SB teams. Cool experience....even got to chat with Carroll O'Connor (Archie Bunker) in the beer line.
 
How many NFL SB's did Moon win?

How many AFC Championship games did he play in?

To be a SB winner Watson will have to be better than Moon


Nope,

The difference is that the Oilers were the most talented team of that era. (Even more talented team than the Cowboys. Another difference is Marino never lead (And I use this term loosely) a team to a historical collapse in the playoffs.

Moon isn't a HOF'er in my mind for that reason and the only reasons he got in were 1. Race 2. Pancakes pull on the HOF committee.

Bwahahahah!!! What are you smoking with the bolded? Seriously drug tests for everyone around.

BTW, that loss wasn't on Moon, there were 2 missed FGs (including a botched snap) and a recovered onside kick, just for the Bills to get the game to overtime.. Not to mention the defense let a backup QB push their **** in (Most talented team of that era my ass, you think the 9ers or Cowboys would've done that?)

Someone did the math way back when. The Oilers could've handed the ball off on every down after they took their huge lead and they would've won the game. All they did was have to control the clock and play field position with punts and they would've won the game (why the hell do you think Buddy Ryan was punching Kevin Gilbright on the damn sideline?). Instead they kept giving the ball back to the Bills at midfield and the defense got dead tired, but that doesn't fit your narrative does it? Nope all Moon's fault. Give me a break.

And if you don't think Moon was a HOFer, well that's why you don't have a vote.

And please with your "#2 and Pancakes pull on the HOF committee" If the man had so much damn pull Robert Brazile would've been inducted many years ago, He was LT before LT and helped create that position.. He's the only linebacker of the 1970's all decade team that is not in the damn hall, infact He's NEVER EVEN BEEN a freaking finalist.

"Pancakes HOF pull" my ass. :rolleyes: If Pancakes can't even get the committee to make THAT guy a finalist after he helped revolutionize a position then what pull does he really have amongst his fellow voters? Go sell that somewhere else. Moon's #s speak for themselves. (Seriously though McClain isn't doing his job well enough)

Do you just pull stuff out of your rear end and throw it at a wall just to see how much of it actually sticks?
 
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Bwahahahah!!! What are you smoking with the bolded? Seriously drug tests for everyone around.

BTW, that loss wasn't on Moon, there were 2 missed FGs (including a botched snap) and a recovered onside kick, just for the Bills to get the game to overtime.. Not to mention the defense let a backup QB push their **** in (Most talented team of that era my ass, you think the 9ers or Cowboys would've done that?)

Someone did the math way back when. The Oilers could've handed the ball off on every down after they took their huge lead and they would've won the game. All they did was have to control the clock and play field position with punts and they would've won the game (why the hell do you think Buddy Ryan was punching Kevin Gilbright on the damn sideline?). Instead they kept giving the ball back to the Bills at midfield and the defense got dead tired, but that doesn't fit your narrative does it? Nope all Moon's fault. Give me a break.

And if you don't think Moon was a HOFer, well that's why you don't have a vote.

And please with your "#2 and Pancakes pull on the HOF committee" If the man had so much damn pull Robert Brazile would've been inducted many years ago, He was LT before LT and helped create that position.. He's the only linebacker of the 1970's all decade team that is not in the damn hall, infact He's NEVER EVEN BEEN a freaking finalist.

"Pancakes HOF pull" my ass. :rolleyes: If Pancakes can't even get the committee to make THAT guy a finalist after he helped revolutionize a position then what pull does he really have amongst his fellow voters? Go sell that somewhere else. Moon's #s speak for themselves. (Seriously though McClain isn't doing his job well enough)

Do you just pull stuff out of your rear end and throw it at a wall just to see how much of it actually sticks?

HOF'er QB's dont blow 35-3 leads in the 3rd qtr? How many HOF QB's never even made it to a conference championship game?

As much as I detest Glanville, he called Moon's career best. Cant win the big one./Not a big game QB.

If you like stats though Moon is your guy.
 
HOF'er QB's dont blow 35-3 leads in the 3rd qtr? How many HOF QB's never even made it to a conference championship game?

As much as I detest Glanville, he called Moon's career best. Cant win the big one./Not a big game QB.

If you like stats though Moon is your guy.

Playcalling and every facet of the team played a part. When you blow a historic lead like that, it isn't just the QB..that's your problem. He and the offense put them up 35 to 3.. as a team they should've closed it out. I mean that's what the "best team of their era" should've done right?

Remember last year's SB.. well read this.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/si/mmqb/2017/03/21/super-bowl-51-falcons-collapse-1993-oilers-bills-game?source=dam

It's the same ****..Matt Ryan didn't cost them that game, they lost it as a team... through horrible playcalling and absolutely bone headed mistakes.

And if you read that article I don't know if you realize it, but Moon did his job late in that game.. He led them late down the field for a FG that would've secured the game, but they botched the FG snap. A special teams play shouldn't keep a player out of the damn hall. But go ahead... Hate, Hate, Hate, rabble, rabble, rabble.
 
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Playcalling and every facet of the team played a part. When you blow a historic lead like that, it isn't just the QB..that's your problem. He and the offense put them up 35 to 3.. as a team they should've closed it out. I mean that's what the "best team of their era" should've done right?

Remember last year's SB.. well read this.

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/si/mmqb/2017/03/21/super-bowl-51-falcons-collapse-1993-oilers-bills-game?source=dam

It's the same ****..Matt Ryan didn't cost them that game, they lost it as a team... through horrible playcalling and absolutely bone headed mistakes.

And if you read that article I don't know if you realize it, but Moon did his job late in that game.. He led them late down the field for a FG that would've secured the game, but they botched the FG snap. A special teams play shouldn't keep a player out of the damn hall. But go ahead... Hate, Hate, Hate, rabble, rabble, rabble.

You could also add the Seahawks calling in a pass play to win the game versus running it in.
 
With Derek Rivers' injury the Pats are very thin at DE. They just practiced with the Texans who have plenty of DEs and run a similar scheme on defense... trade incoming?

I could see the Texans moving Covington possibly to shore up a position. Maybe a Covington/Amendola trade makes sense here?
 
With Derek Rivers' injury the Pats are very thin at DE. They just practiced with the Texans who have plenty of DEs and run a similar scheme on defense... trade incoming?

I could see the Texans moving Covington possibly to shore up a position. Maybe a Covington/Amendola trade makes sense here?

If at all after week 3 you would think
 
With Derek Rivers' injury the Pats are very thin at DE. They just practiced with the Texans who have plenty of DEs and run a similar scheme on defense... trade incoming?

I could see the Texans moving Covington possibly to shore up a position. Maybe a Covington/Amendola trade makes sense here?

Amendola...Italian for often injured.

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I'm not ready to trade a Dlineman..yet and no for Amendola. Dunn, Heath, Covington and Watkins can play DE/DT and Nose. I like what I've seen/heard about Anku 6'3 325 & developing deep backups that could soon be starters is right direction.
 
I suggested that a few weeks ago and got laughed at. Of course I wanted a first and it was part of a package IIRC.

Is there much of a market for his skill set and pay? I can see him being cut next year. I think he hangs on this year but when the injuries start it's committee time.
 
We use him wrong so might as well find out what his worth is on the market.
It would be better if he can be used as his skills indicate he should be used. He can be a very good back and cap charge is not a hindrance. A trade now would probably be not a good one for us. I am not against putting feelers out.

Is there much of a market for his skill set and pay? I can see him being cut next year. I think he hangs on this year but when the injuries start it's committee time.
He has averaged last three seasons apprx 1,000 yds @ 4.5 plus he is good catching and moving the ball. I maintain that he needs a more accurate QB (Savage) and a game plan designed for what he does best. I have no idea why he is running between tackles.
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/08/21/p...-tomlin-physical-training-camp-nfl-peter-king

WHITE SULPHUR SPRINGS, W.V. — On Wednesday, in a joint practice session against the Patriots, J.J. Watt lined up at left defensive end, across from Patriots tackle Marcus Cannon, a rising 335-pound building block for the New England line. Tom Brady took the snap. Now, in most of these joint practices, there’s no blitzing, no motion, and little stunting—it’s just man-on-man. And with the Patriots and Texans set to play in Week 3, you won’t see either team trying out many tricks. For the defense, it’s basically bull-rush football.

Watt low-leveraged into Cannon and pushed him back a couple of straining steps with brute force. Cannon prevented Brady from taking a hit, but on this play and many others over two days, the Texans, and Watt, saw everything they needed to see against prime competition. Watt’s surgically repaired back held up, and he is playing with no residual pain after disc surgery that KO’d his 2016 season. The man who won the NFL defensive player of the year award at 23, 25 and 26 before sitting his age-27 season believes he can pick up where he left off at 28. As does his coach.

“I can tell you right now the guy’s going to be at the top of his game,” Bill O’Brien told me. “He’s had a great training camp. I think he’ll be better than he was.”

Whoa.

When I told Watt what O’Brien said, he seemed genuinely happy—not just in a cliché sense. “I appreciate that, I appreciate it very much,” Watt said. “Obviously coming from him, it means a ton because he has seen every practice. He’s been out here, he’s been watching the film, he’s seen the practices, he knows what’s been going on. I haven’t talked too much about it. Everybody always asks, ‘Hey, how are you going to be? What is this season going to be like for you?’ And I don’t talk too much about it because the thing I have been focused most on this year is letting my play do the talking in practice. It’s been fun, I’ll say that. I feel very good.”

Remember that Watt won his third defensive award in 2015 when he was entirely healthy for maybe two weeks. It was September 2015 that a series of injuries—to his core, his groin and his back—began to accumulate through the season, and he and trainers had to scotch-tape the way through the season. It was still a 17.5-sack year, though it was often agonizing. He paid for that year with back surgery last fall, and the lost 2016.

“I feel like I am playing football the way I am supposed to play football, and I feel like I am the player I am supposed to be,” he said. “In the offseason, I transferred the tire-flipping and the 700-pound back squats into different exercises. Now I’m doing 14 different core exercises. It’s not any less time or less effort. It’s just different.”

“Do you honestly think you can be better than you were?” I asked.
 
It would be better if he can be used as his skills indicate he should be used. He can be a very good back and cap charge is not a hindrance. A trade now would probably be not a good one for us. I am not against putting feelers out.

He has averaged last three seasons apprx 1,000 yds @ 4.5 plus he is good catching and moving the ball. I maintain that he needs a more accurate QB (Savage) and a game plan designed for what he does best. I have no idea why he is running between tackles.

I agree. If Miller could be in more passing plays like the one Foreman was in he could be a serious asset to us. But, as been pointed out before everywhere we run him up the middle which is not his strength.

Now that you bring up accuracy, i wonder if having Brock made OB not game plan for Miller as much because Brock was so inaccurate.

Maybe this changes with Savage and OB isn't showing all his cards yet.
 
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