PapaL
Loose Screw
Naw it’s Ronnie, Bobby, Ricky, and Mike
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banned1976
sleeper mode
Hopefully you're right. A lot of people have wrote/said O'Brien isn't good with QB's. If you also believe that do you think he'll change his ways with Watson? Or will they win in spite of O'Brien?
My hope is O'Brien will imrpove the play calling drastically. Not only does it appear to confuse the QB's but the WR's as well. And there's a lot of young receivers on this team.
I can't really make any BOLD predictions (most people who have known me as long as you and TK know I don't stick my neck out with predictions and hypotheticals). I believe the defense will be top 3 but that's hardly a bold prediction. The offense with O'Brien calling all the shots is a big wildcard for me as well as the impact Crennel will have as a "roving Head Coach". I think Crennel can help O'Brien with game management (another complaint I've had with O'Brien) but how much remains to be seen. I'm looking forward to seeing how it all works out.
Ah heck, I'll make a bold prediction. Clowney will be defensive MVP of the NFL and Watt will finish runner-up.
banned1976
sleeper mode
One more - both Foreman and Miller will have over 1,000 yards each from the line of scrimmage.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I was having fun with this prediction thread. I really don't trust Bill O'Brien's play calling at all. A lot of fans continues to point the finger at Godsey. But when O'Brien took over I did not see any improvement whatsoever. I truly thought we were still in the preseason because that offense was still vanilla. I kept telling myself, the next game, we will finally see O'Brien open up the offense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That's a good prediction because we all know O'Brien is going to lean heavily on the running game.
My hope is that he gets better.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Vince Wilfork’s one regret: His parents didn’t live to see him play in the NFL
August 9, 2017, 1:00 PM EDT
During the summer after Vince Wilfork's freshman year at Miami, his father died of kidney failure. Six months later, his mother died of a stroke. Wilfork persevered through a college football career that made him a first-round draft pick, and a pro football career that ended with his retirement this week after 13 season, five Pro Bowls and two Super Bowl rings.
In announcing his retirement, Wilfork said his one regret about that great career is that his parents didn’t get to experience any of it.
“They didn’t get a chance to see their son live out a dream,” he said. “Physically, that hurt every day — by the hour, daily. Not a minute goes by. But I know they had the best seat in the house. Thank you, David and Barbara Wilfork.”
Wilfork credited his wife, children, family and friends for being with him every step of the way.
“To my family and friends, thank you for the sacrifice over all these years. I know it was rough sometimes with the career I had, but I think at the end of the day, it was worth it,” Wilfork said.
His parents were with him, too, if only in spirit.
August 9, 2017, 1:00 PM EDT
During the summer after Vince Wilfork's freshman year at Miami, his father died of kidney failure. Six months later, his mother died of a stroke. Wilfork persevered through a college football career that made him a first-round draft pick, and a pro football career that ended with his retirement this week after 13 season, five Pro Bowls and two Super Bowl rings.
In announcing his retirement, Wilfork said his one regret about that great career is that his parents didn’t get to experience any of it.
“They didn’t get a chance to see their son live out a dream,” he said. “Physically, that hurt every day — by the hour, daily. Not a minute goes by. But I know they had the best seat in the house. Thank you, David and Barbara Wilfork.”
Wilfork credited his wife, children, family and friends for being with him every step of the way.
“To my family and friends, thank you for the sacrifice over all these years. I know it was rough sometimes with the career I had, but I think at the end of the day, it was worth it,” Wilfork said.
His parents were with him, too, if only in spirit.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
All these trades today have me thinking player for player trade opportunities for the Texans. I wonder if the Texans will give the Dolphins a call due to their 2nd round startin MLB tearing his ACL. We have quite a few options at ILB.
Also Ajayi's recent concussion and our surplus at RB is another opportunity... interested to see if we trade one of our RBs/ILBS to a needy team as injuries continue to hit to shore up some weaknesses left on our roster.
Also Ajayi's recent concussion and our surplus at RB is another opportunity... interested to see if we trade one of our RBs/ILBS to a needy team as injuries continue to hit to shore up some weaknesses left on our roster.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
How about that Garrapolo? So, whose decision was it to pass on him and draft Filo? Rumor has it that OB wanted him, and Rick said we could get him im the 3rd.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
I'm sure it was a collaborative process... and who is to say Garropollo is a franchise QB again?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
It's only collaborative when it's a good decision. When its a bad decision It's usually someone else's.
And Garrapollo has been looking good enough for the job after Brady. Most if not all agree. And Belicheck makes few mistakes.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Maybe...or maybe he's injury prone?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Like D. Watson? Look at how many injuries he had in college.
Did they really pass on Garoppolo? Did anyone, other than our posters, have Garoppolo going at 33? I thought he was predicted to go mid third.
It would have been like drafting Tom Savage at 33. Can you imagine this board's reaction?
Does that make Garoppolo less injury prone, or does it make it acceptable if he is?
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
This. Fact is Jimmy G got hurt in his 2nd NFL start. Fair or not he's proved about as much as Tom Savage that he can stay healthy and be a franchise QB.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Good job asking questions with questions.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Does it make the whole injury prone thing go away because all three had history injuries?
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Same with Watson and his injuries in college.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
OK... So why are you holding up Jimmy G as a player we failed to draft again? Geez... at least go the Derek Carr route!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
cushioning for Cush and Co..........
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Mark Berman@MarkBermanFox26
6Texans,incl Brian Cushing,Benardrick McKinney,Andre Hal wearing helmet from @VicisPro helps protect players from concussions.Bigger,heavier
10:46 AM - 12 Aug 2017 from Lewisburg, WV
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Mark Berman@MarkBermanFox26
6Texans,incl Brian Cushing,Benardrick McKinney,Andre Hal wearing helmet from @VicisPro helps protect players from concussions.Bigger,heavier
10:46 AM - 12 Aug 2017 from Lewisburg, WV
I don't remember the uproar about not drafting Garoppolo when we drafted Sua-filo. Most Garoppolo fans felt we would probably get him with our third round pick. It wasn't until the Patriots drafted him with their second that Garoppolo fans voiced their opinion that we should've drafted him with our 2nd... 29 picks sooner.
Our 3rd round pick was only three selections after Jimmy G was drafted.
Does anyone question why we passed on Bridgewater? No. Most people ask why we failed to trade up & get him at the bottom of the first. To me, that's the question we should ask about JimmyG, instead of saying we passed on him. Why didn't we trade back into the second & get him at the bottom of the 2nd round.
Makes more sense than saying we should have taken him 29 spots sooner.
But... we all know no one expected Garoppolo to be drafted between 60 & 65.
The question is if Garoppolo is injury prone.
Whether Watson is or isn't has no bearing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Looks like the Texans are signing ex Clemson WR Germone Hopper to a multi year deal. Talented player with discipline baggage (suspended several times/walked out on his team) which hopefully has been overcome with new family responsibilities. Waived by the Panthers during mini camp. Has mostly played the slot. Potential if he can keep his head in the game.
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Houston Texans to Sign Wide Receiver Germone Hopper
The Houston Texans are set to sign free agent wide receiver Germone Hopper.
The Houston Texans will sign wide receiver Germone Hopper to a multi-year deal according to sources. Hopper played his college football at Clemson from 2012-2014 before he decided to leave the team.http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...n-receiver-longshot/iwxscpmkgwo31wpj9zh5pa7qa
During his time with the Tigers, Hopper had 71 receptions for 797 yards and six touchdowns. In 2014, Hopper had his best season, posting 27 receptions for 331 yards and three touchdowns.
Hopper left the team due to suspensions and disputes over this playing time prior to Clemson's national championship run. Despite leaving the team, he participated in Clemson's pro day this past season with Deshaun Watson and worked out for the San Francisco 49ers during the NFL draft process with Watson as well.
Hopper spent time with the Carolina Panthers during 2017 but was waived during mini-camp. link
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NFL Draft 2017: Former Clemson receiver Germone Hopper wants one last chance
Published on Mar. 13, 2017
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Germone Hopper wants another chance.
After walking away from the Clemson football program last year, Hopper is hoping to draw at least one NFL team's interest.
Listed at 6 feet, 180 pounds while at Clemson, Hopper caught 71 passes for 797 yards and six touchdowns over three seasons. If you don’t quite remember who he is, he’s the dude who juked Syracuse safety Antwan Cordy into viral Internet infamy in 2015.
Hopper left Clemson after the 2015 season with the intent to transfer. Although, he told Omnisport, Clemson created a "family atmosphere" for the players, Hopper had trouble remaining content with his football family.
He was suspended a couple of times and didn't even clean out his apartment before leaving school. Clemson assistant Danny Pearman, who wasn't available to comment for this story, actually collected Hopper’s belongings and drove them to his home in Charlotte.
Hopper, 23, said he was immature and admitted to a lack of discipline, especially when it came to his academics.
Hopper explained that he wanted to be closer to home for the birth of his daughter, Caleigh, last May. Instead of transferring to another school, however, Hopper said life “steered” him in another direction. He started to work at a family friend's barbershop, earning $10 an hour.
He’s now thinking about supporting his family for the long term and knows the NFL would be the best avenue in which to do so.
What he has to prove to at least one team is that he is committed to playing football.
"Me being away from it just let me know how much more I loved it, and how much more appreciative I needed to be toward football," Hopper told Omnisport after one of his daily workouts at a Charlotte high school. "It was definitely a bump in the road, missing football for a year, but it brought me closer to it and made me have a stronger feeling for it.
"Knowing that I still have years left to play brought me closer to the game."
While Hopper won’t participate in Clemson's pro day Thursday, he will hold a private workout there Wednesday with about a dozen NFL teams.
What he has that NFL teams like is speed, with a 40-yard dash time he says he expects to be under 4.4 seconds. He also prides himself on being an adept route runner.
Hopper realizes he likely won't be drafted, but that doesn't mean the talent isn't there. Rob Henry, the head of pro and collegiate business at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., where Hopper has been training, claims Hopper's skill set is on par with other NFL prospects.
"Germone is just as good as anyone," Henry said. "He's got all the skills needed to be an NFL wide receiver. He has everything you need. It's just a matter of continuing to improve and being consistent with his play. That will earn him playing time once he gets into a minicamp and, hopefully, training camp."......THE REST OF THE STORY
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Houston Texans to Sign Wide Receiver Germone Hopper
The Houston Texans are set to sign free agent wide receiver Germone Hopper.
The Houston Texans will sign wide receiver Germone Hopper to a multi-year deal according to sources. Hopper played his college football at Clemson from 2012-2014 before he decided to leave the team.http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/new...n-receiver-longshot/iwxscpmkgwo31wpj9zh5pa7qa
During his time with the Tigers, Hopper had 71 receptions for 797 yards and six touchdowns. In 2014, Hopper had his best season, posting 27 receptions for 331 yards and three touchdowns.
Hopper left the team due to suspensions and disputes over this playing time prior to Clemson's national championship run. Despite leaving the team, he participated in Clemson's pro day this past season with Deshaun Watson and worked out for the San Francisco 49ers during the NFL draft process with Watson as well.
Hopper spent time with the Carolina Panthers during 2017 but was waived during mini-camp. link
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NFL Draft 2017: Former Clemson receiver Germone Hopper wants one last chance
Published on Mar. 13, 2017
CHARLOTTE, N.C. — Germone Hopper wants another chance.
After walking away from the Clemson football program last year, Hopper is hoping to draw at least one NFL team's interest.
Listed at 6 feet, 180 pounds while at Clemson, Hopper caught 71 passes for 797 yards and six touchdowns over three seasons. If you don’t quite remember who he is, he’s the dude who juked Syracuse safety Antwan Cordy into viral Internet infamy in 2015.
Hopper left Clemson after the 2015 season with the intent to transfer. Although, he told Omnisport, Clemson created a "family atmosphere" for the players, Hopper had trouble remaining content with his football family.
He was suspended a couple of times and didn't even clean out his apartment before leaving school. Clemson assistant Danny Pearman, who wasn't available to comment for this story, actually collected Hopper’s belongings and drove them to his home in Charlotte.
Hopper, 23, said he was immature and admitted to a lack of discipline, especially when it came to his academics.
Hopper explained that he wanted to be closer to home for the birth of his daughter, Caleigh, last May. Instead of transferring to another school, however, Hopper said life “steered” him in another direction. He started to work at a family friend's barbershop, earning $10 an hour.
He’s now thinking about supporting his family for the long term and knows the NFL would be the best avenue in which to do so.
What he has to prove to at least one team is that he is committed to playing football.
"Me being away from it just let me know how much more I loved it, and how much more appreciative I needed to be toward football," Hopper told Omnisport after one of his daily workouts at a Charlotte high school. "It was definitely a bump in the road, missing football for a year, but it brought me closer to it and made me have a stronger feeling for it.
"Knowing that I still have years left to play brought me closer to the game."
While Hopper won’t participate in Clemson's pro day Thursday, he will hold a private workout there Wednesday with about a dozen NFL teams.
What he has that NFL teams like is speed, with a 40-yard dash time he says he expects to be under 4.4 seconds. He also prides himself on being an adept route runner.
Hopper realizes he likely won't be drafted, but that doesn't mean the talent isn't there. Rob Henry, the head of pro and collegiate business at IMG Academy in Bradenton, Fla., where Hopper has been training, claims Hopper's skill set is on par with other NFL prospects.
"Germone is just as good as anyone," Henry said. "He's got all the skills needed to be an NFL wide receiver. He has everything you need. It's just a matter of continuing to improve and being consistent with his play. That will earn him playing time once he gets into a minicamp and, hopefully, training camp."......THE REST OF THE STORY
Here he is going 40th to the Vikings
Bill Polian thought he was a first rounder
And he was invited to attend the first day of the draft by the league..
Tom Savage was none of those things, by anyone, except our font office..
Understood, but after the Vikings took Bridgewater & Garoppolo was there at 60, who'd have guessed he'd be drafted before our pick? Who'd have guessed the Patriots would be the ones to draft him.
I'd be shocked if you were to tell me you weren't shocked.
I'm not saying he isn't worthy, just saying it wasn't expected.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Preseason reading...nothing much honestly.
The Breakdown: A Look at the Houston Texans Schematic Philosophy
http://lastwordonprofootball.com/2017/08/13/houston-texans-schematic-philosophy/
The Breakdown: A Look at the Houston Texans Schematic Philosophy
http://lastwordonprofootball.com/2017/08/13/houston-texans-schematic-philosophy/
I don't know what the Texans' board look like, but I had JG in the second.
Where about is difficult to pinpoint since we fans lack a lot of resources to know more about him.
For me, he was a good prospect, within the limited resources a fan has.
He did get hurt, I agree.
But he showed much more than Savage when he was on the field.
On the injury front, it's also Savage that looks more iffy.
TheRealJoker
Hall of Fame
Yes, but point is neither should be considered a franchise QB (like Derek Carr) and someone that we should complain about having passed on.
We've passed on lots of excellent players. No need to bring up Jimmy G as an example...
I don't. JG hasn't shown enough.
Just like him as a prospect, that's all.
Every player has to show that they can take their game to the next level.
Shock yourself.
I wasn't the least shocked.
Thank you.
I didn't read it per your "recommendation", LOL.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
As been pointed out - some had him targeted in the second. Rumor is (don't know how true) OB wanted him in second and Rick was confident to get him in third.
It seems he is being groomed to be the heir apparent for Brady. I would trust Belicheks decision on players.
And it was being brought up as a could have been. OB wanted him. What could have been - we may have not even reached for Brock had we just started him. And by all accounts he looks great in games but not practice.
But whatever.
This comes off a bit goal post moving tbh, tk.
And no, I wasn't shocked to see a team take him take him before our third pick. My thoughts were clear on him back then, wouldn't have risked whatsoever waiting past #33 to snag him, and was repeating this to my draft buddy as we were getting ready for the start of day two then. Didn't necessarily think it'd be NE who took him, but the moment I saw it was them it immediately made perfect sense.
I don't think I'm moving the goal post.
Again, it's not that I said he wasn't worthy, but after four QB were off the board to the team's most likely to take a QB, I would have been shocked if another QB was selected before the third.
& in my post I said once he got to 60..
60. Carolina
61. Jacksonville
62. Patriots
63. Dolphins
64. Seahawks
I could actually go all the way back to the Bears at 51 as the only team likely to take a QB in the 2nd.
Maybe a team would have traded back into the 2nd to take him, still it would have to be early for me to think the story is that we passed on him. Three picks before our third, I'd think the story should be that we didn't trade up.
But I guess since most people aren't happy with XSF, they say we should have used that pick on a QB.
I bet they'd say the same thing if the Texans went OL instead of QB like they did this time.
You asked specific questions and were given specific indisputable answers. Then you asked different questions to try and buoy your argument. Call it what you will.
You just continuously discount that there were/are people who've believed highly enough in Garroppolo thinking that the Texans should've also. It's not shocking to think so. The mocks and many experts agreed then. I showed you this. The Pats proved it. His play ever since, albeit limited, has only reinforced it over and over.
He's a wicked talented player with a solid head on his neck. These guys tend to go earlier than not come one way or another, and especially at his most valuable of positions. Many of us were rooting for his choosing to happen thinking it unwise to risk missing out and will continue to think he's exactly the kind of 'one that got away'. Whatever reason you have for not wanting to see this I've no idea really, but it's been told and evidenced and witnessed ad nauseam. We simply could have had him.
"Who'd have thunk it?" Is rhetorical. I wasn't asking a question in that post.
The draft usually gets it right on mid to late round QBs. Not many Tom Bradies & Russell Wilsons out there.
We're arguing semantics. We did pass on him as we didn't select him in the second.
It would have been more efficient to trade back into the 2nd & get him before New England did. Some people even suggested New England only selected JimmyG because we wouldn't give them our third for Mallett.
But you don't hear many people argue the Texans should have traded up to get him at 60, or 61... most likely because no one expected him to be taken at 62, 63, or 64.
Imagine how happy we'd all be if we got him at 65
You didn't simply ask 'who'd have thunk it', you asked all the nuts and bolts about how and why it was thunk.
You've actually misplaced your own goalposts at this point.
Not sure what this has to do with Garoppolo. He wasn't a mid to late round QB.
Again, you're completely ignoring, and I don't know if it's the contrarian hangup or that you simply refuse to see this position for what it is, the fact that the risk was deemed too much by several people for completely good reason and it is well within rights to look back and say, 'well damn, that certainly should/could've been a positive for my team' versus the convoluted turdstain of a road said team has taken to get to a hopeful difference maker at QB.
Trade back up would've been fine if one were playing the result, but he was in our hands to be had and the pooch was screwed given the risk/reward of the situation.
Actually not sure what it is, in light of everything that's been unpacked on the topic, that you're actually arguing against at this point.
It's not my job to guess. I wouldn't have had to guess because I would've traded into the bottom of the 1st for Jimmy G. I still cant believe your guy (McCarron) didn't get picked before Savage. Or for that matter Manziel. (You called it at the time.) He was a winner just like Watson. Only his game is better suited for the NFL game. IMHO
People who guess wrong should be fired. Especially if they guess wrong and miss on 2nd thru 4th rd draft picks regularly.
Why? He's got Brady, fairly good of getting veterans because he's got Brady. His draft record is on the low side of mediocre, particularly when it comes to QB's
I think just that it wasn't unreasonable to think that because he was available at 61 that he would be available at 65. I was shocked to see the Pats take him, because they had Mallet for another year. But like you said, in hindsight it makes sense. Hindsight says the Texans trade down from 2-1 and take him no later than 40... cuz hindsight works so well.
At the time it was surprising, as was Nix falling to 83.
But yeah the Texans blew it
He was drafted three spots from our third round pick. It doesn't make sense to take him 29 spots sooner.
I'm not being contrarian. It made sense to believe he would be there at 65. & that's if they were looking at him in the first place.
Not only do they have Brady, they drafted Parcell's boy in the third round of the 2016 draft.
It would make sense for the Texans to draft a guy in the 2nd, sit him for two years, then draft another guy in the third.
But not the Patriots. I'm sure there's a good reason for many teams to do it... but the Patriots?
Why not?
It made sense to some that the risk/reward was worth banking on him being there at 65, sure. It didn't to me and several others. For the multiple reasons I've pointed to here. As a fan I feel comfortable holding these as a reasonable criticism of our front office regarding their continued lack of success at this position. The latter there being the whole point to this whole thread of discussion, of course.
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I certainly thought at the time that the Texans would take JC at 1-1 and then JG at 2-1. After that I was just hoping
It makes more sense to trade up & get him at 60. That's all I'm saying.
What you're saying is the Texans should have drafted Savage at 65, just to be safe.
Of course Garoppolo could go on to make everyone forget about Brady, then yeah... it wasn't worth the risk, should have taken him at 33.
But right now, where the majority of his "tape" is preseason, & he's not killing it like Prescott did... I think it makes more sense to say we should have traded up to get him... or, since he's accomplished about as much as Savage & realistically speaking he's got about as much chance of being the next Tom Brady as Tom Savage... see if he falls to 65.
Good, you don't like him as much. No sh*t, tk. Though that has nothing to do with the basis of this thread of discussion.