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infantrycak said:
Are you talking about Savage? Flashed/shown improvement lol - he has 19 attempts.
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Yes I am. He showed considerable improvement and talent last preseason and I was impressed with how he overcame a shaky start against the Colts with a respectable 2nd half in 2014. We both saw the same games, but came away with differing opinions on what we saw. You have your septic tank and I have mine. I guess we'll see whose is more full of Shiite than the other's. lol
 
infantrycak said:
I have no problem with Savage having a shot. But he shouldn't be the plan.
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You've made several posts that indicate the opposite. I'm not against drafting a shiny new rookie QB, but I don't want to see the team mortgage the future to trade and up and get a QB that's 50-50, at best, to develop when the Texans already have a QB that should be developed by now.
We're both speculating here. I prefer to speculate on the bird in hand and give RGIII and Weeden the opportunity to compete with Savage in OTA's and mini camp.
 
infantrycak said:
Point one out. All I have ever said is don't plan on Savage being the guy. If he turns out, great.
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No.

Why do people have so much hope/faith in a guy who was a distant 3rd to Hoyer and Mallett? - other than the fact he is on the roster.

Savage shouldn't be regarded as anything but a backup for planning purposes. If some miracle occurs and he shines in training camp fine. But for now he's a non-entity as a starter.


Hardly an endorsement for competing for the starting job. What do you see about Savage that gives you this opinion?
 
Great. You just proved my point. Don't plan on him.

You have some whisper and prayer hope he will break what's usual.
 
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infantrycak said:
I have no problem with Savage having a shot. But he shouldn't be the plan.

Freakin' Hoyer looked good in preseason. Not trying to win the preseason Superb Owl.
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Savage's future as a starting QB relies on what he's able to do in "closed practices".
 
Like I've said before I wouldn't be mad if we went into the season with Savage, Weeden/Yates/RG3, and an early round QB. Hopefully one of the young guys, Savage or the rookie, would blow the doors off the competition but we would be in a much better position for this year and the future...assuming they don't all get hurt again.
 
DocBar said:
Yes I am. He showed considerable improvement and talent last preseason and I was impressed with how he overcame a shaky start against the Colts with a respectable 2nd half in 2014. We both saw the same games, but came away with differing opinions on what we saw. You have your septic tank and I have mine. I guess we'll see whose is more full of Shiite than the other's. lol
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I've yet to see Savage do anything stupid. I feel pretty good that he can play as well as Dalton & Tannehill did their first years in the league. Like you, I'd rather the Texans get the best RB, TE, & a speedy receiver than to reach on a QB they don't believe in.

At the same time, if they're sold that one of this year's QBs can be a franchise QB, I'd rather they get him, regardless the cost. Whether it's giving up the whole draft to get him, or they do a good job of hiding their intentions & getting him in the late rounds.

But if they are able to get a guy in the later rounds, I want them to get behind him 100% & treat him like the future of the franchise. Don't come out & say, "There isn't much separation between any of these guys." They need to say, "We feel like he's special. He was our guy all along & we think the "scouts" got it wrong." Don't bury him on the depth chart for two years. & if our starter struggles out the gate, the season's over with an 0-3 start... throw him in, get him ready for next season.
 
man we played the SB champs pretty close it was like 20 to 27 has any other team did that this year ..???? what does that say I guess there we just having a down day
 
DocBar said:
I find it odd that the same people who have no faith in a QB who has flashed talent, has all the measurables and shown improvement all seem to want to draft, with many wanting to trade up in the 1st round, a completely unproven rookie and roll the dice just because "you have to draft a QB in the 1st round". I guess the grass is always greener on the other side of the septic tank. :brickwall:
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DocBar said:
Yes I am. He showed considerable improvement and talent last preseason and I was impressed with how he overcame a shaky start against the Colts with a respectable 2nd half in 2014. We both saw the same games, but came away with differing opinions on what we saw. You have your septic tank and I have mine. I guess we'll see whose is more full of Shiite than the other's. lol
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Flashed talent? In pre-season? You're going to base your opinion on what a guy does against 3rd stringers and future FedEx drivers in the pre-season? That doesn't even make sense. OK, I guess he played better against 3rd stringers this year than he did last year. Guess what? Case Keenum played better in camp 2 than he did camp 1.

Not saying Savage won't lead the Texans to the Super Bowl some day, but I'm not going to sit here and say his play against 3rd string pre-season talent and 1 quarter of real football makes him a proven commodity, certainly not to the point where he's that far ahead of an unproven rookie. Tom Savage hasn't proven jack.
 
Speedy said:
Flashed talent? In pre-season? You're going to base your opinion on what a guy does against 3rd stringers and future FedEx drivers in the pre-season? That doesn't even make sense. OK, I guess he played better against 3rd stringers this year than he did last year. Guess what? Case Keenum played better in camp 2 than he did camp 1.

Not saying Savage won't lead the Texans to the Super Bowl some day, but I'm not going to sit here and say his play against 3rd string pre-season talent and 1 quarter of real football makes him a proven commodity, certainly not to the point where he's that far ahead of an unproven rookie. Tom Savage hasn't proven jack.
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You flash talent when given the opportunity. He has. It's not HIS fault he needed time coming out of college. He's made the most of the limited opportunities he's had. But he will almost certainly have growing pains as he gets up to NFL speed. But the best way to do that is to play.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not against drafting a shiny new rookie QB, but I don't want to see the team mortgage the future to trade and up and get a QB that's 50-50, at best, to develop when the Texans already have a QB that should be developed by now.
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I dont want to see the team mortgage away another 2 seasons because their to incompetent to get another quarterback.
 
powda said:
I dont want to see the team mortgage away another 2 seasons because their to incompetent to get another quarterback.
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I don't think anyone here wants that either.

All people are saying is the Savage has shown improvement. There seems to be a different "intensity" on the field when he is playing. He has improved and they would like to see what he brings to the table.

BUT if there is a QB in the draft - that we like/want we should not have to mortgage the future by giving up a lot of picks to move up and get - we should draft one also.
 
Grams said:
BUT if there is a QB in the draft - that we like/want we should not have to mortgage the future by giving up a lot of picks to move up and get - we should draft one also.
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What's to much? That'll be different person by person. I could handle exchanging 1's plus a 3rd round pick. Maybe a future 3. More then that and I get gun shy and probably have to be talked into it. A couple of 3rd round picks arent going to destroy the team's future.

We can plan on savage this year as much as we could on mallett last year. They were/are unknown commodities come game time - - better have other talent in place.
 
DocBar said:
I didn't want the Texans to get Manning.
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I never thought they had a real shot unless they way overpaid. I would like to know who told or led McNair to believe that Schaub would recover from his foot injury and lead this team to a SB
 
JB said:
I never thought they had a real shot unless they way overpaid. I would like to know who told or led McNair to believe that Schaub would recover from his foot injury and lead this team to a SB
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We didn't have the cap room at the time. Sure, it could've been done, but a lot of money would've had to be moved around. I'm not a cap guy, but we'd probably still be hurting cap-wise
 
HOU-TEX said:
We didn't have the cap room at the time. Sure, it could've been done, but a lot of money would've had to be moved around. I'm not a cap guy, but we'd probably still be hurting cap-wise
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Which is a problem with the article that DocBar's post linked to. It assumes you simply remove Schaub, insert Peyton, and everything else stays the same. In reality, some of those players would have had to go. No way to know who it would have been, but there definitely would have been a domino effect of bringing Manning in.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Which is a problem with the article that DocBar's post linked to. It assumes you simply remove Schaub, insert Peyton, and everything else stays the same. In reality, some of those players would have had to go. No way to know who it would have been, but there definitely would have been a domino effect of bringing Manning in.
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If my memory serves me correctly. Schaub's 2013 salary was guaranteed so Houston would have needed to trade him; which would have left a $14m dead money charge towards the cap that year. If you used Manning's contract, with Denver, as the example it had a $18m cap charge in 2013. That would have taken up about 26% of the team salary cap between the two of them. I can't recall all the details but remember the team being pretty tight against the cap that year, so would have taken some serious shuffling. It very well could have been done, anything can be done if the team really wants the player.
 
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Looking back it's easy to say we should've signed Manning, but at the time it was a very different story. There was a lot of concern from teams around the league that he might not ever play again, and was one hit from being in trouble. There was very real fear for his safety. If he was healthy enough to suit up, nobody had seen him throw a football because he wasn't doing any public workouts ... could he make NFL throws? What about in December? Then of course is the price tag. Though it was inevitably going to happen soon, Schaub hadn't fully cratered yet so to try to free up that much money on a huge questionmark appeared to be way too much of a risk.

Seeing what Manning's done in that time, of course it would've been nice if we had signed him. Our main focus should have been on drafting our next franchise quarterback however.
 
Texans thought of the day? I don't watch the Pro Bowl literally "ever" at this point but I did see the DeAndre Hopkins 7 yard TD pass from Winston that followed the 61 yard bomb from Winston.

That TD pass. The ball was out of there so fast I didn't even see the throw the first time I watched it and it hit Nuk like it was shot out of a canon. He didn't even look like he had to try to catch it. He just did. I could barely see it and he snatched it up like it was thrown underhanded by a 9 year old. I watched that TD throw over and over again and thought "We're doing this young man a disservice by not giving him a QB who can throw to him like that". Not just that but he'll be the second great WR we will have done that to in a row.

It's unconscionable not doing everything we can to put a QB on the field who can really play this game say at his level. We could be looking at a Randy Moss type WR and not even know it. Hell two years ago I wanted to trade him to move up and grab Watkins because I didn't believe he was going to amount to much. I was dead wrong and the Texans owe it to him to do something about this sh*t storm that is their QB situation.
 
JB said:
What were you wrong about?
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Nauseating. Even more so when the same cast of characters come around defending the move. I say we win one. No way with Watt and a good defense and a prime Manning with Andre, the tight end game and perhaps an Arian Foster who isnt worked into the ground with Manning in the fold? Forgetaboutit.

Sigh.

That would have been the signature moment for this franchise, if it blows up in your face? It was Peyton freaking Manning. There's some leeway in there, the payoff was just too high not to pull the trigger.
 
Hervoyel said:
It's unconscionable not doing everything we can to put a QB on the field who can really play this game say at his level. .
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I agree wit you.

However, the only way to explain what happened last year, is that O'b thought he could do what three other teams couldn't. Smartest guy in the room. He was certain Brian Hoyer could help us compete at a championship level.

He was wrong.

Way the f'ck wrong.

So I don't think they haven't tried to get a quality QB. They're just incompetent.
 
Hervoyel said:
Texans thought of the day? I don't watch the Pro Bowl literally "ever" at this point but I did see the DeAndre Hopkins 7 yard TD pass from Winston that followed the 61 yard bomb from Winston.

That TD pass. The ball was out of there so fast I didn't even see the throw the first time I watched it and it hit Nuk like it was shot out of a canon. He didn't even look like he had to try to catch it. He just did. I could barely see it and he snatched it up like it was thrown underhanded by a 9 year old. I watched that TD throw over and over again and thought "We're doing this young man a disservice by not giving him a QB who can throw to him like that". Not just that but he'll be the second great WR we will have done that to in a row.

It's unconscionable not doing everything we can to put a QB on the field who can really play this game say at his level. We could be looking at a Randy Moss type WR and not even know it. Hell two years ago I wanted to trade him to move up and grab Watkins because I didn't believe he was going to amount to much. I was dead wrong and the Texans owe it to him to do something about this sh*t storm that is their QB situation.
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61 yard pass was from R.Wilson in 1Q.
TD was from J.Winston in 4Q.
 
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A leaked logo for SB 51......I guess we'll be playing retro in Reliant Stadium.:chef:
 
PapaL said:
Hopefully his next kid is named Leslie so he can have Mo Shorts and Les Shorts.
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Some folks call me Mo. When I needed a foot doctor I ended up with one named Leslie. We hit it off pretty well from the start, so now when I go in, I talk about Mo and Les.
 
Seegara said:
Some folks call me Mo. When I needed a foot doctor I ended up with one named Leslie. We hit it off pretty well from the start, so now when I go in, I talk about Mo and Les.
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Sadly I can only "like" your comment. As much as I'm laughing that was rep worthy!
 
Another not so proud moment in Texans history........an AFC south division champiionship.........with a dysfunctional label...........

Jaguars were least dysfunctional team, by far, in the AFC South
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  • Mike DiRocco ESPN Staff Writer

This week, ESPN NFL Nation reporters Mike Wells, Paul Kuharsky, Mike DiRocco and Tania Ganguli will give awards to the AFC South's top players and teams. We continue with a look at how dysfunctional the division was after Monday's reveal of the offensive player of the year, Tuesday’s defensive player of the year, Wednesday’s All-AFC South Team, and Thursday’s rookie of the year.

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The Jacksonville Jaguars won only five games and finished third in the AFC South in 2015.

However, they were the unquestioned champs when it came to drama on and off the field. The Jaguars were clearly the least dysfunctional team in the division.

The Houston Texans started four quarterbacks, including one that was cut because he was late for several team activities and missed a chartered flight to a game.

The Tennessee Titans fired coach Ken Whisenhunt in early November after he was unwilling to make changes to his offense and posted a 3-20 record in less than two full seasons.

The Indianapolis Colts were . . . well, they were a shining example of dysfunctionality ruining a season. Andrew Luck missed nine games because of a shoulder injury, torn cartilage in two of his ribs, a lacerated kidney and a partially torn abdominal muscle.

But that’s not even the Colts’ biggest bit of dysfunction. The relationship between coach Chuck Pagano and GM Ryan Grigson had deteriorated to the point where neither spoke with each other unless necessary. Pagano appeared to be gone after the season but somehow owner Jim Irsay got Pagano and Grigson to hug it out and announced contract extensions for both.

While all that was happening to the Texans, Titans and Colts, the Jaguars were quietly humming along. Nobody was singing Kumbaya around the campfire, but the extent of the team’s drama was pretty minimal and most of it was fan-related.

There was an uproar when GM David Caldwell traded veteran kicker and fan-favorite Josh Scobee for a sixth-round pick and kept first-year kicker Jason Myers. Myers made 26-of-30 field goal attempts but two of his misses cost the Jaguars a victory over Indianapolis. He also missed a league-high seven PATs and there was a loud cry among fans and media for the Jaguars to cut Myers.

There also was a Fire Gus Bradley movement after a 1-5 start, but the Jaguars went 4-3 in their next seven games (Myers made a 53-yard field goal to beat Baltimore on the road) and that quieted some of the talk. During the final week of the regular season, owner Shad Khan released a statement that Bradley would return in 2016 ,and the team later gave him a one-year extension.

No quarterback carousel, no coaching changes, no major season-defining injuries and no strained coach-GM relationship in Jacksonville. Relatively smooth sailing for the Jaguars.

Maybe the lack of drama will eventually result in more victories.

Texans reporter Tania Ganguli: The Texans might have ultimately won the heady battle for this division’s crown, but it was a very dysfunctional season. Most of that dysfunction was concentrated in their quarterback roulette. Coach Bill O’Brien changing his starting quarterback in the fourth quarter of the season opener. Ryan Mallett’s chronic tardiness issues seemed to pop up when he was knocked out of the starting spot, and he was eventually released. Arian Foster’s two major injuries. A defense that was unexpectedly porous to start the season. After Week 7, the dysfunction settled down a bit, but then the quarterback injury bug infested the Texans, resulting in four starting quarterbacks by the end of the season. It’s incredible they were able to weather all that to have a winning record and make the playoffs.

Titans reporter Paul Kuharsky: The Titans were terrible under two coaches, as Ken Whisenhunt was fired on Nov. 3 and replaced by Mike Mularkey, who later landed the full-time job. Controlling owner Amy Adams Strunk remained a secretive figure, and CEO/president Steve Underwood, who spoke on her behalf, also had an interim title. Stability and functionality were hardly themes in Tennessee in 2015.

Colts reporter Mike Wells: From Super Bowl contenders to one of the NFL's most dysfunctional teams. Meet the Colts. The drama started in March 2015 when coach Chuck Pagano turned down a contract extension. Then it carried over to the regular season due to the tense relationship between Pagano and general manager Ryan Grigson, the almost weekly Pagano job status updates, the beat up body of franchise quarterback Andrew Luck, who missed nine games. And oh yeah, the Colts missed the playoffs for the first since 2011.
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Marshall said:
I still like the letter jackets no matter how much fun you make of them. I wish I had one right now.
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That's cool, it is a personal history for me from Junior High. Jackets were a jock thing that got the girls who many came to despise the guy they wore the jacket of. Probably my first awareness of materialism. To clarify, it was not the jacket but many of the jerks who wore them.
 
badboy said:
That's cool, it is a personal history for me from Junior High. Jackets were a jock thing that got the girls who many came to despise the guy they wore the jacket of. Probably my first awareness of materialism. To clarify, it was not the jacket but many of the jerks who wore them.
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I understand the sentiment. But as someone who traversed both jock and nerd culture (manager), I actually like the function of the letter jacket to provide warmth with it's gathered sleeves and leather exterior resisting, if not repelling the frequent showers.
 
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