WolverineFan
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Just spit-balling but if Foreman is still unsigned it probably has to do with Texans trying to get language into his contract because of his foot injury.
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CloakNNNdagger
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I previously posted that it seems to be the most likely explanation for the delay. It certainly possible to play on a stress fracture, but it is just as likely that he doesn't make it through the season without surgery while hoping that conservative rehab will have allowed healing. The problem is that if this is indeed a Jones stress fracture and rehab is chosen and proves inadequate, he will have lost time rehabbing and performing subpar, and still require surgery.........a surgery that has a high re-operation risk (Edelman, Bryant, Watkins, Julio Jones) like Kevin Johnson which could easily affect 2 seasons.
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Texian
Hall of Fame
If you were the advising doctor on this case would you suggest surgery now or continuing rehab and/or play until surgery becomes necessary?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Again, if taking the most likely scenario of the fracture (not confirmed by the Texans) being a Jones fracture, I would have encouraged an "elite" player about to enter the NFL to undergo surgical repair as soon as it was diagnosed. If it is another type of foot stress fracture, most in a 233 pound RB with ongoing playing impact stress, without repair will carry a risk for recurrence of the stress fracture and/or complete fracture down the line.
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
ESPN DRAFT GRADES
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans
Houston Texans
What went right
They found a way out of a dead-end quarterback situation. Credit to Texans general manager Rick Smith for getting creative: The Brock Osweiler signing worked out as poorly as it could have, but the Texans found a way out of their predicament. If I faulted the Browns for paying $11 million or so for a second-round pick, I have to also give the Texans credit for selling that same second-round pick for $16 million in cash.
I'm less enthused about the trade-up for Deshaun Watson, but he's the best-pedigreed quarterback Bill O'Brien has had a chance to groom in Houston. It will cost the Texans next year, as they will be shipping their first- and second-round picks to Cleveland, but that was the cost of hope for a team expected to be competitive in 2017.
I was more critical of the Bears for this sort of approach, but the Texans aren't in the same situation. While the Texans aren't much better of a team in a vacuum -- the Bears actually topped them in DVOA last season -- the Texans are getting J.J. Watt back after he basically missed the 2016 season, and Houston plays in a far easier division than Chicago. Even if the Texans regress in close games, improved quarterback play might be enough to keep them at 9-7, which could win the South.
What went wrong
It shouldn't have been that hard to upgrade at quarterback. The Texans didn't need to trade up for Watson to have a viable passer. Jay Cutler and Tony Romo were both available for free -- and Houston could have used the money it saved on Osweiler to sign either -- but it didn't seem to go after the QBs very hard. Either probably would have been an upgrade on Watson, and they are almost definitely better than Tom Savage, who wasn't good enough to fend off a cavalcade of mediocre quarterbacks in years past.
DeAndre Hopkins. This is the most pressing contract coming due for the Texans. Hopkins had a disappointing campaign in 2016, although the play of his quarterbacks deserves the majority of the blame. It could give Houston an opportunity to buy low on its No. 1 wideout, who is entering the fifth-year option of his rookie deal at $7.9 million.
Hopkins might be the best wideout in a free-agent class that could include Julian Edelman, Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffery, Jordan Matthews, Jarvis Landry and John Brown. If the Texans don't pay him, somebody will. The other first-round wideout from Hopkins' draft class to get an extension is Tavon Austin, who picked up $21.6 million in guarantees and $29.6 million during the first three seasons of his ill-fated deal with the Rams. Hopkins will naturally want to top that and look much closer at the deal A.J. Green signed with the Bengals in 2015, which was worth $46.9 million over its first three years. There's a huge gap between those two figures, which is what makes this a difficult negotiation.
The Texans didn't do much to upgrade on special teams. The always excellent Stephanie Stradley pointed out to me that the Texans have been bad on special teams for a long time, ranking 28th or worse in special teams DVOA during each of the past five seasons, including dead last in 2012, 2015 and 2016. Special teams tends to vary more than offense and defense from year to year, which makes this even more remarkable.
Fixing Houston's special teams isn't as simple as swapping out its specialists, but when you're this bad for this long, it might be worth a shot. Houston comfortably had the league's worst kickoff unit last season, in part because Nick Novak turned just 31.1 percent of his kickoffs into touchbacks, the lowest rate of any regular in the league by a wide margin. Novak was also the league's seventh-worst kicker on scoring plays. The Texans responded by giving him a one-year, $1.2 million deal. Shane Lechler, who helmed the league's third-worst punt unit, picked up a one-year, $2 million contract. Three of their core four special-teamers -- the guys who played more than 50 percent of Houston's special teams snaps -- also return. It would seem like the Texans would get better by virtue of the dead cat bounce, but if they haven't by now...
What's next?
Send Tony Romo their playbook. Just in case.
Grade: C+
http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/_/name/hou/houston-texans
Houston Texans
What went right
They found a way out of a dead-end quarterback situation. Credit to Texans general manager Rick Smith for getting creative: The Brock Osweiler signing worked out as poorly as it could have, but the Texans found a way out of their predicament. If I faulted the Browns for paying $11 million or so for a second-round pick, I have to also give the Texans credit for selling that same second-round pick for $16 million in cash.
I'm less enthused about the trade-up for Deshaun Watson, but he's the best-pedigreed quarterback Bill O'Brien has had a chance to groom in Houston. It will cost the Texans next year, as they will be shipping their first- and second-round picks to Cleveland, but that was the cost of hope for a team expected to be competitive in 2017.
I was more critical of the Bears for this sort of approach, but the Texans aren't in the same situation. While the Texans aren't much better of a team in a vacuum -- the Bears actually topped them in DVOA last season -- the Texans are getting J.J. Watt back after he basically missed the 2016 season, and Houston plays in a far easier division than Chicago. Even if the Texans regress in close games, improved quarterback play might be enough to keep them at 9-7, which could win the South.
What went wrong
It shouldn't have been that hard to upgrade at quarterback. The Texans didn't need to trade up for Watson to have a viable passer. Jay Cutler and Tony Romo were both available for free -- and Houston could have used the money it saved on Osweiler to sign either -- but it didn't seem to go after the QBs very hard. Either probably would have been an upgrade on Watson, and they are almost definitely better than Tom Savage, who wasn't good enough to fend off a cavalcade of mediocre quarterbacks in years past.
DeAndre Hopkins. This is the most pressing contract coming due for the Texans. Hopkins had a disappointing campaign in 2016, although the play of his quarterbacks deserves the majority of the blame. It could give Houston an opportunity to buy low on its No. 1 wideout, who is entering the fifth-year option of his rookie deal at $7.9 million.
Hopkins might be the best wideout in a free-agent class that could include Julian Edelman, Sammy Watkins, Alshon Jeffery, Jordan Matthews, Jarvis Landry and John Brown. If the Texans don't pay him, somebody will. The other first-round wideout from Hopkins' draft class to get an extension is Tavon Austin, who picked up $21.6 million in guarantees and $29.6 million during the first three seasons of his ill-fated deal with the Rams. Hopkins will naturally want to top that and look much closer at the deal A.J. Green signed with the Bengals in 2015, which was worth $46.9 million over its first three years. There's a huge gap between those two figures, which is what makes this a difficult negotiation.
The Texans didn't do much to upgrade on special teams. The always excellent Stephanie Stradley pointed out to me that the Texans have been bad on special teams for a long time, ranking 28th or worse in special teams DVOA during each of the past five seasons, including dead last in 2012, 2015 and 2016. Special teams tends to vary more than offense and defense from year to year, which makes this even more remarkable.
Fixing Houston's special teams isn't as simple as swapping out its specialists, but when you're this bad for this long, it might be worth a shot. Houston comfortably had the league's worst kickoff unit last season, in part because Nick Novak turned just 31.1 percent of his kickoffs into touchbacks, the lowest rate of any regular in the league by a wide margin. Novak was also the league's seventh-worst kicker on scoring plays. The Texans responded by giving him a one-year, $1.2 million deal. Shane Lechler, who helmed the league's third-worst punt unit, picked up a one-year, $2 million contract. Three of their core four special-teamers -- the guys who played more than 50 percent of Houston's special teams snaps -- also return. It would seem like the Texans would get better by virtue of the dead cat bounce, but if they haven't by now...
What's next?
Send Tony Romo their playbook. Just in case.
Grade: C+
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Houston Texans Being Cautious with D'Onta Foreman Heading into OTAs
Patrick Starr
8:48 AM
The Houston Texans are being cautious with D'Onta Foreman heading into OTAs.
When every rookie arrives in Houston, the Texans make sure they are ready to step on the field in top physical condition. Running back D'Onta Foreman is a little behind the curve playing in terms of being 100% ready for NFL life due to his current physical makeup, but the Texans are not faulting him for the slow start - especially given how the draft process forces players to get ready for testing rather than being ready for the game of football.
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You can read the rest of the article, which seems to purposely avoid any mention of Foreman's stress fracture........unless your expected to read into "current physical makeup", which to me simply refers to his being out of condition.
Patrick Starr
8:48 AM
The Houston Texans are being cautious with D'Onta Foreman heading into OTAs.
When every rookie arrives in Houston, the Texans make sure they are ready to step on the field in top physical condition. Running back D'Onta Foreman is a little behind the curve playing in terms of being 100% ready for NFL life due to his current physical makeup, but the Texans are not faulting him for the slow start - especially given how the draft process forces players to get ready for testing rather than being ready for the game of football.
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You can read the rest of the article, which seems to purposely avoid any mention of Foreman's stress fracture........unless your expected to read into "current physical makeup", which to me simply refers to his being out of condition.
PapaL
Loose Screw
MMQB...it's almost like they have no idea about our team. Everything I understood was that Vince is wanted back and he was left to decide his own future.
NFL Power Rankings, Pt. 1: Starting at the Bottom
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/22/nfl-power-rankings-offseason-peter-king-part-one
20. HOUSTON TEXANS
Additions: First-round quarterback Deshaun Watson enters choppy waters (more about that in a minute), but there’s no doubt he’s the favorite to be the Texans’ quarterback by Thanksgiving, replacing Tom Savage … Third-rounder D’Onta Foreman will be a good changeup back for Lamar Miller.
Subtractions: QB Brock Osweiler, one of the worst free-agent signings ever, was dispatched to Cleveland. Siberia may be next … CB A.J. Bouye, the former undrafted college find, defected to Jacksonville for huge money … NT Vince Wilfork wasn’t retained and is mulling retirement.
Key coaching/front-office moves: Two of them: Bill O’Brien takes over for offensive coordinator George Godsey, who paid with his job for the struggles of Osweiler … And in the front office, vice president of player personnel Brian Gaine left for a parallel job in Buffalo. That’s an odd and disquieting move for the Texans.
Decisive schedule span: Three measuring-stick games, in Weeks 3 through 5: at New England (second straight year, oddly, with Houston at New England in Week 3), Tennessee, Kansas City. The Texans have lost three to New England in the past two years, by 21, 27 and 18. Texans now may be looking up at rising Tennessee in the AFC South; they split seven-point wins last year. And they’re 1-2 against perennial contender K.C. since 2015.
Why I have the Texans 20th: I don’t trust them to have good quarterback play, and I’m skeptical of Bill O’Brien’s long-term future. I trust the defense, obviously. But with a shaky passing game (Tom Savage has huge pressure on him entering the season, obviously), that will exacerbate the worries about the future. Amazing that we’re not even that concerned about the return of J.J. Watt. That’s because the defense proved it could win without Watt. The offense, though, didn’t score 28 points in any of 18 games last year, and how exactly are they significantly improved unless Watson comes on fast? One final thing: When Gaine left for Buffalo last week, I took that as a bad sign for O’Brien’s future. O’Brien liked and respected Gaine. For Gaine to makes a sideways move to the Buffalo Bills may not be a great sign for the long-term prospects of the O’Brien administration.
Most important factor to this team this season: Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.
Texans prediction of 10 words or less: Though green, Watson starts 10 games. Inaccurate, but dynamic.
NFL Power Rankings, Pt. 1: Starting at the Bottom
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/05/22/nfl-power-rankings-offseason-peter-king-part-one
20. HOUSTON TEXANS
Additions: First-round quarterback Deshaun Watson enters choppy waters (more about that in a minute), but there’s no doubt he’s the favorite to be the Texans’ quarterback by Thanksgiving, replacing Tom Savage … Third-rounder D’Onta Foreman will be a good changeup back for Lamar Miller.
Subtractions: QB Brock Osweiler, one of the worst free-agent signings ever, was dispatched to Cleveland. Siberia may be next … CB A.J. Bouye, the former undrafted college find, defected to Jacksonville for huge money … NT Vince Wilfork wasn’t retained and is mulling retirement.
Key coaching/front-office moves: Two of them: Bill O’Brien takes over for offensive coordinator George Godsey, who paid with his job for the struggles of Osweiler … And in the front office, vice president of player personnel Brian Gaine left for a parallel job in Buffalo. That’s an odd and disquieting move for the Texans.
Decisive schedule span: Three measuring-stick games, in Weeks 3 through 5: at New England (second straight year, oddly, with Houston at New England in Week 3), Tennessee, Kansas City. The Texans have lost three to New England in the past two years, by 21, 27 and 18. Texans now may be looking up at rising Tennessee in the AFC South; they split seven-point wins last year. And they’re 1-2 against perennial contender K.C. since 2015.
Why I have the Texans 20th: I don’t trust them to have good quarterback play, and I’m skeptical of Bill O’Brien’s long-term future. I trust the defense, obviously. But with a shaky passing game (Tom Savage has huge pressure on him entering the season, obviously), that will exacerbate the worries about the future. Amazing that we’re not even that concerned about the return of J.J. Watt. That’s because the defense proved it could win without Watt. The offense, though, didn’t score 28 points in any of 18 games last year, and how exactly are they significantly improved unless Watson comes on fast? One final thing: When Gaine left for Buffalo last week, I took that as a bad sign for O’Brien’s future. O’Brien liked and respected Gaine. For Gaine to makes a sideways move to the Buffalo Bills may not be a great sign for the long-term prospects of the O’Brien administration.
Most important factor to this team this season: Quarterback, quarterback, quarterback.
Texans prediction of 10 words or less: Though green, Watson starts 10 games. Inaccurate, but dynamic.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Texans history would indicate that it has been piss-poor in regards to drafted, UDFA or FA QB's. At what point will this organization finally connect the dots and realize they've never put together a plan of attack that would create an OL that has both above average starters and quality depth? How many QB's do they want to keep shuffling through the Texans Turnstile until they realize their approach has been horribly wrong.
RS traded up in the draft and sacrificed the teams 2018 Draft to select Watson, while he stood by and decided it would be in the teams best interest to run with the same personnel on the OL. RS has hamstrung O'Brien, Savage, Watson (if he's named QB1), Weeden and the running game if his hunch in regards to the OL doesn't pay dividends. if this turns out to be the case...the Texans offense will be like a basketball player who can't dribble to the right, eventually everyone figures out that you can only go left and they prepare accordingly.
I really don't want to see the coaching staff take a black-eye for this RS blunder.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans projected to get 3 compensatory draft picks in 2018
By: Jeff Risdon | May 10, 2017 7:23 am ET
The Texans may not have a pick in the first or second rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft, but they should have a nice collection of picks later in the draft. According to an early projection from Over the Cap, Houston is slated to receive three extra compensatory picks in the ’18 draft.
That is perhaps the only upshot from Houston’s stark inactivity on the free agent front. The Texans remain the only NFL team yet to sign a veteran free agent from another team. This is on the heels of three losses on the defensive side, which brings the comp picks in return.
The biggest ticket comes courtesy of A.J. Bouye’s departure. Now in Jacksonville, the cornerback projects as the second-highest value free agent loss, behind only Calais Campbell, who also signed with the Jaguars.
Bouye’s big contract with the AFC South rival projects to net the Texans a bonus pick at the end of the third round. John Simon and Quintin Demps both procure an extra sixth-round pick for their flights to Indianapolis and Chicago, respectively.
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If these picks stand, they would honestly translate into essentially one 4th round pick with two 7th round picks.........these are certainly exciting times!
By: Jeff Risdon | May 10, 2017 7:23 am ET
The Texans may not have a pick in the first or second rounds of the 2018 NFL Draft, but they should have a nice collection of picks later in the draft. According to an early projection from Over the Cap, Houston is slated to receive three extra compensatory picks in the ’18 draft.
That is perhaps the only upshot from Houston’s stark inactivity on the free agent front. The Texans remain the only NFL team yet to sign a veteran free agent from another team. This is on the heels of three losses on the defensive side, which brings the comp picks in return.
The biggest ticket comes courtesy of A.J. Bouye’s departure. Now in Jacksonville, the cornerback projects as the second-highest value free agent loss, behind only Calais Campbell, who also signed with the Jaguars.
Bouye’s big contract with the AFC South rival projects to net the Texans a bonus pick at the end of the third round. John Simon and Quintin Demps both procure an extra sixth-round pick for their flights to Indianapolis and Chicago, respectively.
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If these picks stand, they would honestly translate into essentially one 4th round pick with two 7th round picks.........these are certainly exciting times!
Texansballer74
The Marine
We had a solid O line under Kubiak for a few years. I believe we would've had one last season but the injury bug attack our Oline. Remember Brown just came off a serious injury, Quessenberry cancer hurt us as, and Martin going down before the season started was huge. Allen suppose to be a great addition but he was dealing with an injury as well. So they've tried to build up the offense line. You don't always have to draft in the 1st and 2nd round to build up your o line either. Dallas just got fortunate mainly because they were drafting high due to them stinking up the joint for a hot minute.
Now as far as the QB position the pickings were slim when we acquired the likes of Fitzpatrick, Hoyer and Brock (FA pool). In the draft it was said Bill didn't like certain QB'S so we didn't draft what we fans thought we should've drafted. The owner also said we didn't need a Superstar QB so we acquired what we acquired.
Now they went up and got what I believe will be our franchise QB. If the line stays healthy, they should be much improved.
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I must admit, I've never been to an NFL practice, so I really don't know what goes on. But from what I've read, our offense doesn't practice against our defense, our defense doesn't practice against our offense... outside of training camp. Once the season starts, the first team practices against the scout teams. Bodies pretending to be our opponent for the upcoming game.
Weeks of watching film, taking second team snaps, and all that yeah, that will help.
I don't see the upside of starting Savage though... that is if O'b can get Watson ready. There has to be tangible measureables a coach can use to tell if his QB is ready to play or not. If the kid meets those, sitting him does not help.
I don't think Andy Dalton, Derek Carr, or Carson Wentz were irreversibly damaged by starting day 1. The team was better off for it though. Instead of waiting to start to get better, they got to work day 1.
Every week Savage takes first team reps is a week the team has delayed getting better.
I can understand if we drafted small school Bottles, or Garoppolo... or smaller school Wentz. But we got National Champion big game over Alabama DeShaun Watson.
siiigh...
this convo started with SteelB saying that Watson wouldn't be any better than a 15-ish level QB.
Some of us said, and supported it with examples, that 15-ish level QB play would be a helluva lot better than what we saw last year. And, yeah, we could compete for a title with that level of proficiency at QB + our running game (especially with Foreman added to the mix) + our defense (assuming it stays top five with Vrabel calling the shots).
You just went off on a "so you don't think those particular guys will ever win a championship?" rabbit hole.
That is a totally different question/premise.
You with me now?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Doesn't the link say a 3rd and two 6ths as the projection?
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Interesting "draft grades" as the author only mentions Watson in light of the Brock fiasco and Romo, then goes on to talk about Hopkins contract situation and not addressing special teams play.
Dunno, maybe I was expecting draft grades to actually be about the players drafted and addressing team needs. Not sure that many teams have a draft strategy to specifically address special teams.
And LOL that the Texans play in a far easier division. Both divisions had 3 teams at .500 or better. The NFC North had one more win than the AFC South last year.
This is why ESPN is only good for box scores and stats.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
thunderkyss, this approach is wrong. The only folks listing Watson as a "Franchise QB" are on this forum. I've read more sources that state, the Texans gave up too much in getting Watson or that there are several areas of his game that need to be refined. Now, could Watson become a "Franchise QB"? He very well could be but what's the rush in putting him out there...right now?
The Texans have Savage who is the only other QB drafted during O'Brien's tenure. O'Brien has prepared his QB for 3 seasons...and last year was just an unfortunate set of circumstances, for both O'Brien and Savage. Savage is in the final year of his rookie contract and has 2 1/2 starts on his resume. The Texans and O'Brien must find out what Savage offers over a longer period of time, otherwise they write off the RD4 pick used and time spent developing him. Worst thing that could happen...RS decides his pick, Watson is going to start Day1 come hell or high water and Savage is traded away for a RD6 during Pre-Season to avoid the fans calling for him if Watson falters. If Watson isn't producing after 2 1/2 starts, how much more lead-way would you like to extend to your "Franchise QB"?
No, this is the approach that kills franchises and common-logic must prevail. Savage has 1 year remaining on his contract and the best knowledge of O'Brien's playbook and the players in the system. If he stumbles, Weeden would be the next guy up (for the same reasons mentioned above) since he to is in the last year of his contract and it would be wise to see him under center for a couple of games to determine if he would be the QB to retain as QB2 when Watson is trotted on the field as QB1. I would suspect this entire scenario could transpire over the course of 8 games. The defense kept Osweiler the game and I view both Savage and Weeden as a step up.
Watson is in the first year of his rookie contract and learning an entirely different way of playing QB, not to mention adjusting to the speed of NFL defenses. Watson needs a season of learning with his eyes and ears before putting this new knowledge on the field of play. This approach certainly didn't hurt Steve McNair over the long haul.
Texansballer74
The Marine
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Do you think that a big part of McNair sitting for two seasons was that he played college at tiny Alcorn State in the SWAC and had a much bigger NFL learning curve than say, a guy coming out of a major program who went to back-to-back national title games, beating the last two champions (OSU and Alabama) to win it all in his final year?
Not to mention a rookie head coach, taking over a team that was 2-14, who had a very serviceable Chris Chandler on the roster (who was a Pro-Bowler with the Falcons after being traded and took them to the Super Bowl) and was in "win now" mode to establish himself as a HC in the league.
O'Brien isn't a first year HC, there is no proven serviceable QB on this roster to lean on, and Watson had a metric sh!t-ton of experience playing against first day draft talent than McNair ever did. It's not a realistic comparison of where the Oilers and Texans were/are respectively at the point in time when McNair/Watson were drafted.
And LOL that O'Brien is going to continue to sit Watson and name Weeden the starter if Savage falters. I'm willing to put a cash bet on that not happening.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yes it does. And I said "they would honestly translate into essentially one 4th round pick with two 7th round picks.." These compensatory picks are tacked onto the very end of the existing round picks. And therefore the 3rd round pick is essentially valued closer to a high 4th round pick, and the 6th round picks are essentially valued closer to high 7th round picks.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
Oh, I understand.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
PapaL
Loose Screw
Derek Newton Contract Renegotiation
http://texanscap.com/2017/05/23/derek-newton-contract-renegotiation/
http://texanscap.com/2017/05/23/derek-newton-contract-renegotiation/
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I wouldn't be the only individual who has mentioned that Watson could benefit from a year on the sideline. As far as who would come in if Savage falters would probably be determined on the W-L record, position in the division, and who's handling the first team reps the best. IMO, O'Brien's biggest hurdles this season will be a winning record that gets the team over the 9-7 hump and keeping his job. If Watson is not ready and hasn't beat out Savage or Weeden, then some fans hopes may be too high in regards to O'Brien willingly inserting Watson over Weeden.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He could benefit from playing right away too. Ive already named several QB'S that are still successful today who started as rookies. And im talking about recent quarterbacks at that. I don't understand why you can't agree to that. Yes some quarterbacks have benefited big time after sitting for a few years or so. Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady. And before you go off on a tangent about the offensive line. When Rodgers took the realms, GB offensive line was not good.
No such thing if you think he's a franchise QB. & the Texans don't make that trade unless they think he's a franchise QB. Maybe they had the trade set up to get Mahomes... but Mahomes wasn't there & they still decided to move up to get Watson.
Others may think it was too much. But from the Texans perspective, it's the cost of doing business.
My whole point, & the only reason I'm even talking about starting Watson, is the Texans have seen Savage for three years. If they thought there was a smidgen of a chance that he'd be a starting QB in this league, they would have drafted an OL like the Broncos did.
You "need" to see Savage on the field. I do not believe the Texans need to. Tom will make a fine backup QB. If they manage to sign him to a second contract, that's not a total waste of a 4th round pick.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The thing is like you said the Texans have seen what Savage can and cannot do on the football field. If they were confident in his abilities first they would've given him a chance to compete in year 2 with Hoyer and Mallett. 2nd they would've allowed him to compete against Brock and finally they wouldn't have jumped up to 12 to get Watson.
OptimisticTexan became a big fan of his when Savage showed some improvement from his Rookie year to his Sophomore year during preseason. This is why he's been lobbying for him for well over 2 years now.
badboy
Hall of Fame
IMO a remarkable contract as it keeps Newton on team with only 2017 guaranteed for 1.75m; if he comes back and plays we have him for two more seasons at very cheap costs. It also puts more $ in his pocket now which players like. Good work to the capologist. Play Hopkins 5-8 games allowing him to show he still has it and then offer him a great contract with the even more cap space we now have.
badboy
Hall of Fame
IMO a remarkable contract as it keeps Newton on team with only 2017 guaranteed for 1.75m; if he comes back and plays we have him for two more seasons at very cheap costs. It also puts more $ in his pocket now which players like. Good work to the capologist. Play Hopkins 5-8 games allowing him to show he still has it and then offer him a great contract with the even more cap space we now have.
Bulls on Parade
2017 Astros: Earn It!
J.J. Watt is back and better than ever!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Way too premature to conclude anything from his statements. A good attitude is commendable but in itself does not predict performance, nor does it predict how long he manages to stay on the field without injury. It would be wise to let those statement simmer until the end of the season.
Dakota
Ticketbooth Attendant
Yes, how dare we post something positive around here until the end of the season/reflection time!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Yes, I understand, how dare I bring some medical reality into the discussion.
You friggin' doctors!
Dakota
Ticketbooth Attendant
You definitely provided the proverbial injury thundercloud on that one, thank you for that.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Many posters here depend on CNND for honest evaluations on players health /injuries.
Something many here think is lacking from the team medical staff.
I thank him for that.
The biggest question for me is will JJ be willing to miss snaps or games to recover from injuries. Football is a balls out, full speed sport full of alpha personalities. I don't see him being able to doing it.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Texans’ tight end trio set to surprise everyone
by Peter Manfre3 hours agoFollow @manfreonair
A lot has been made of the lack of production from the group of Houston Texans’ tight ends. But if last season is any indication-they are due for a big breakout.
Since Bill O’Brien became the Texans’ head coach, many assumed he would implement his duel tight end system from his days with the New England Patriots. That did not happen overnight however.
The Texans drafted tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz in the third round of the 2014 NFL Draft. He was expected to join former sixth round selection Ryan Griffin in order to form that deadly duo.
That took three seasons to truly develop. Oh, and the help of 2016 undrafted free agent tight end Stephen Anderson from California.
Fiedorowicz has blossomed into a true number one tight end for the Texans. His premium blocking ability has always been present, but the development of his route running and hands have aided his arrival to that status.
Griffin and Anderson are both specialists that compliment the Texans well as a second tight end or a H-back. Neither is a great blocker but both excel in route running and present a reliable option for quarterbacks Tom Savage or Deshaun Watson.
Despite all the fuss about the quarterback position’s production over the past few years, the Texans’ tight end corps had a franchise record-setting season in 2016. The trio posted 115 receptions to go along with 1,094 receiving yards. Both are franchise records.
All three players are coming into the 2017 season with growing confidence. Griffin just re-signed with the Texans this offseason.
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I'm not real excited about Griffin. I am hoping that Zach Conque manages to stick on the final roster and becomes an effective and productive part of the TE group.
by Peter Manfre3 hours agoFollow @manfreonair
A lot has been made of the lack of production from the group of Houston Texans’ tight ends. But if last season is any indication-they are due for a big breakout.
Since Bill O’Brien became the Texans’ head coach, many assumed he would implement his duel tight end system from his days with the New England Patriots. That did not happen overnight however.
The Texans drafted tight end C.J. Fiedorowicz in the third round of the 2014 NFL Draft. He was expected to join former sixth round selection Ryan Griffin in order to form that deadly duo.
That took three seasons to truly develop. Oh, and the help of 2016 undrafted free agent tight end Stephen Anderson from California.
Fiedorowicz has blossomed into a true number one tight end for the Texans. His premium blocking ability has always been present, but the development of his route running and hands have aided his arrival to that status.
Griffin and Anderson are both specialists that compliment the Texans well as a second tight end or a H-back. Neither is a great blocker but both excel in route running and present a reliable option for quarterbacks Tom Savage or Deshaun Watson.
Despite all the fuss about the quarterback position’s production over the past few years, the Texans’ tight end corps had a franchise record-setting season in 2016. The trio posted 115 receptions to go along with 1,094 receiving yards. Both are franchise records.
All three players are coming into the 2017 season with growing confidence. Griffin just re-signed with the Texans this offseason.
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I'm not real excited about Griffin. I am hoping that Zach Conque manages to stick on the final roster and becomes an effective and productive part of the TE group.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texans offense will be better even if the oline is not top flight.
The wide-outs and the TE's will be greatly improved with a season under their belts and oh yeah, Brock Osweiler won't be the one throwing the passes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF 21h21 hours ago
No team is anywhere near the same ballpark as the Browns when it comes to using rookies the last five years.
It would be interesting to see a breakdown of rookies that started and are still on the team for the Browns and Jags. I'm too lazy to look it up this morning.
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF 21h21 hours ago
No team is anywhere near the same ballpark as the Browns when it comes to using rookies the last five years.
Pro Football FocusVerified account@PFF 21h21 hours ago
No team is anywhere near the same ballpark as the Browns when it comes to using rookies the last five years.
It's interesting to see that the Patriots, Falcons, Packers, & Panthers are on that side of the chart... Steelers & Seahawks on the other side.
Not sure what conclusions we can draw from this.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
A breakdown of positions would probably give more useful information, since some positions are expected to be on the field much more than others.
Texansballer74
The Marine
: Fuller expects to see a large jump in his play during his second season in 2017, Aaron Wilson of The Houston Chronicle reports. Fuller had a decent season as a rookie in 2016, catching 47 passes for 635 yards and two touchdowns. Despite the numbers, he made several costly drops, including one on a surefire touchdown in the divisional playoffs against New England. He has game breaking speed, highlighted by the 4.28 second 40 yard dash he ran at the 2016 NFL combine. Now in his second year with the Texans and no longer dealing with nagging knee and hamstring injuries, Fuller and the team believe that he can become one of the top receivers in the NFL. Coupled with DeAndre Hopkins, Fuller is a tough cover for defenses and a jump in numbers should be expected this season.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I think TEs, RBs and WRs will be better even if oline is not. I do think it will but if it is only as good as 2016 we should see much better offense over all. I am not as optimistic as I was this time last year but do feel a thrill here and there. At my age I have to be very careful with that.
Texan in Japan
Rookie
Amen brother!
badboy
Hall of Fame
uh to what part? or all? lol