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CloakNNNdagger

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PFF Ranks 32 Best Outside Cornerbacks In NFL
Bradley Roby, come on down.
By Matt Weston@Matt__Weston Jun 3, 2021, 2:00pm CDT

Last year disaster made numerous friends throughout the NFL season. Two of its best friends were Will Fuller V and Bradley Roby. Both players were hit with a performance-enhancing drug suspension for taking the same thing. Each was suspended for six games, missing five in a lost season, and then a hangnail to start off Week One of the 2021 season. Fuller is gone. Roby is still here and will miss Trevor Lawrence’s debut.
Roby is far and away the Texans’ best cornerback and has been for the last three seasons, including this upcoming one. But you want Roby to be your third best cornerback, not your best one. Unfortunately, the Texans know that all too well now. He’s pretty good, not great, and Pro Football Focus recently ranked him as the 24th best cornerback in football:
24. Bradley Roby, Houston Texans
The Texans don’t have many players on their roster who they can rely on for steady play, but Roby is one of the few, assuming he doesn’t receive another six-game suspension in 2021. He ranks in the 80th percentile of qualifying cornerbacks in forced incompletion rate and the 70th percentile in coverage grade while in single coverage since entering the league in 2014. His 71.5 overall grade in 2020 was his highest single-season mark since back in 2017 with the Broncos.
There you have it. Bradley Roby is Houston’s best cornerback. He’s ranked 24th in the league—don’t question the grades. He is pretty good, which makes him much, much better at his job than most of the guys on the Texans’ current roster..
 

steelbtexan

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Cooks contract expires after 2022 season but there is $5 million in Dead Money in 2023.
Brandin Cooks Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac

Tunsil has potential out after 2022 season but there is $8 million in Dead Money in 2023.
Laremy Tunsil Contract Breakdowns, Salary Cap Figures, Salaries, Bonuses | Spotrac
Thanks, so Caserio is paying 13 mil in dead money with a rising cap for the veterans he wants to lead the team. Nor ideal, also something I wouldn't have done. But it shouldn't be a deal breaker. BTW, I bet if healthy Caserio extends Tunsils deal past 2023 and that will negate Tunsils dead money. So Cooks 5 mil in dead money will be the only dead money that counts against the cap. Which really isn't a big deal at all. IMHO
 

Lucky

Not like this. Not like this.
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To me it’s about value.

if a 6th round pick is worth 20 pts & a 7th is worth 3 pts, I’d much rather use them on a player worth 23 pts instead of two players, one worth 20 pts & the other 3.

Quality over quantity
OK. But is a player in the 6th or 7th ever really a certainty? They are lotto tickets. And the more lotto tickets you have, the better chance at hitting. That's how Caserio should have looked at this draft.
 

Texian

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Thanks, so Caserio is paying 13 mil in dead money with a rising cap for the veterans he wants to lead the team. Nor ideal, also something I wouldn't have done. But it shouldn't be a deal breaker. BTW, I bet if healthy Caserio extends Tunsils deal past 2023 and that will negate Tunsils dead money. So Cooks 5 mil in dead money will be the only dead money that counts against the cap. Which really isn't a big deal at all. IMHO
You're assuming Tunsil will want to stay. Yep Caserio is paying big time money for an 0-34 team.
 

Texian

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You're assuming Tunsil won't want to stay. Ever heard of the franchise tag? So you're on record that the Texans won't win a game over the next 2 yrs. LMAO
My guess is the Texans combined win total for 2021 and 2022 seasons will be < than 10 and they will be picking in the Top 10 for next 3 years. On the other hand, since I have been a confirmed advocate for hiring a winner, someone who wins more games than most, I'm predicting that Urban Meyer and the Jags will be the AFC South Conference Champions in the next 2 to 3 years. The Texans will dwell in the cellar. That's my official OTR.
 
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IDEXAN

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Thanks, so Caserio is paying 13 mil in dead money with a rising cap for the veterans he wants to lead the team. Nor ideal, also something I wouldn't have done. But it shouldn't be a deal breaker. BTW, I bet if healthy Caserio extends Tunsils deal past 2023 and that will negate Tunsils dead money. So Cooks 5 mil in dead money will be the only dead money that counts against the cap. Which really isn't a big deal at all. IMHO
Once again I'm confused by your advanced thinking on football personnel matters Steel, because what's Caserio's health got to with extending Tunsil ?
 

Dejaview

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have yet to hear anyone from the Texans management staff say we we're in a rebuilding mode or that they consider this a throw away year.

To me this makes your doom and gloom analysis of the Texans moves irrelevant. Not one of us know what they are doing and why they are doing it.

Media reports? :rofl:. Concerning the Texans there are more informed people on this message board.

:coffee:
You are spot on, not wrong And we don’t need media reports but actual statements by NC and DC. on the Texans web site that have made to me two things perfectly transparent. They will promote competition at every level and only bring in a player if they can embrace that concept and if that player can also make adjustments or can incorporate change. More to your point they go out of their way to make it clear that at the end of every long day they put in the Texans will be better at the end of that day. This is not tank language. It is clearly a challenge to end yesterday to be better today. with no vague language to hide behind. this Ship will be turned around one degree at a time But they are clearly just getting started and I for one am on board and am enjoying the view.
 

Lucky

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Correct me if I am wrong, but I have yet to hear anyone from the Texans management staff say we we're in a rebuilding mode or that they consider this a throw away year.
Have you ever heard any NFL team in the the long history of the NFL say that the upcoming season was a "throwaway year"? Please find that quote, if you can.

Has any team actually planned for such a year? Like, I'don't know, the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguars?

Come on, let's stop being naive.
 
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Dejaview

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Have you ever heard any NFL team in the the long history of the NFL say that the upcoming season was a "throwaway year"? Please find that quote, if you can.

Has any team actually planned for such a year? Like, I'don't know, the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguars?

Come on, let's stop being naive.
Please explain how you get 53 players, all playing for their next contract, to cumatively agree to join management (without anyone filing a complaint with the players union) to tank (throw games) under the aegis of the NFL gambling watchdogs so management can accumulate draft choices to replace their positions. Of course the coaches will have to be onboard also, none of which would ever hire an attorney to expose this plan if ever fired or replaced Or just see through that sickening bullshit. Hey, the goal of every competitive player and coach is to lose for a higher draft choice next year. Gotta build those NFL lasting memories while you can. And the NFL is full of owners that want to screw season ticket holders, fans, sponsors etc. You can’t even escape your own negativity anymore.
 

Texian

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Have you ever heard any NFL team in the the long history of the NFL say that the upcoming season was a "throwaway year"? Please find that quote, if you can.

Has any team actually planned for such a year? Like, I'don't know, the 2020 Jacksonville Jaguars?

Come on, let's stop being naive.
I remember the Indianapolis Colts season of "Suck for Luck".
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
Please explain how you get 53 players, all playing for their next contract, to cumatively agree to join management (without anyone filing a complaint with the players union) to tank (throw games) under the aegis of the NFL gambling watchdogs so management can accumulate draft choices to replace their positions. Of course the coaches will have to be onboard also, none of which would ever hire an attorney to expose this plan if ever fired or replaced Or just see through that sickening bullshit. Hey, the goal of every competitive player and coach is to lose for a higher draft choice next year. Gotta build those NFL lasting memories while you can. And the NFL is full of owners that want to screw season ticket holders, fans, sponsors etc. You can’t even escape your own negativity anymore.
The players themselves aren’t out there tanking. They’re giving it their all and trying to do what they can to win. But when the team assembled doesn’t have the talent, they’re going to lose more often than not.

The players on the 100 loss Astros weren’t trying to strike out every at bat in order to tank. They just weren’t talented enough.

This game is too dangerous to be out there half assing it. They’re playing to win. But if it’s a team full of 3rd and 4th stringers, probably not going to come out on top too often.

That’s how you tank. You don’t tell players to fumble when they can, miss a tackle, throw a pick, you assemble a team full of band aids and special teamers and try to look competitive.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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49ers, Bears, Bills, Broncos, Bucs, Cards, Chiefs, Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Falcons, Giants, Lions, Panthers, Raiders, Rams, Ravens, Saints, Steelers, Texans, Vikings so far have restructured (converted P5 to bonus) contracts to meet the COVID (aggressively) restricted 2021 salary cap of $182.5M. I expect a few more will follow suit.

2022 cap ceiling has been set at $208.2M, a 14% jump. Once we dump Watson's contract and move on from at least Randall Cobb and Whitney Mercilus, we were potentially going to have an issue meeting the minimum 3-year spending floor. Working under the salary cap in recent years just isn't much of an issue if your owner has cash, but the minimum spending requirements have made it a bit of an issue now.
 

paycheck71

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49ers, Bears, Bills, Broncos, Bucs, Cards, Chiefs, Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Falcons, Giants, Lions, Panthers, Raiders, Rams, Ravens, Saints, Steelers, Texans, Vikings so far have restructured (converted P5 to bonus) contracts to meet the COVID (aggressively) restricted 2021 salary cap of $182.5M. I expect a few more will follow suit.

2022 cap ceiling has been set at $208.2M, a 14% jump. Once we dump Watson's contract and move on from at least Randall Cobb and Whitney Mercilus, we were potentially going to have an issue meeting the minimum 3-year spending floor. Working under the salary cap in recent years just isn't much of an issue if your owner has cash, but the minimum spending requirements have made it a bit of an issue now.
Maybe I don't understand how this works, but moving money from '21 to '22 and '23 doesn't affect the cap spending for '21-'23. Not that I think all those restructures were bad, but I am more in agreement with Texian to a degree (for a change) that at least some of the restructures were unnecessary.
 

Texian

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Maybe I don't understand how this works, but moving money from '21 to '22 and '23 doesn't affect the cap spending for '21-'23. Not that I think all those restructures were bad, but I am more in agreement with Texian to a degree (for a change) that at least some of the restructures were unnecessary.
Also they can use the new cap money in 2022 to sign free agents and not have to borrow from 2023 and 2024 seasons to do so. You do not have to restructure contracts to meet spending minimums. Restructuring contracts is bad management.
 

Texian

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I like the bulk of your post but I'm not sure I agree with this sentiment. Can you elaborate?
Restructuring a contract in the current season reduces the teams available salary cap of future years. It may make sense for teams who believe they are a player away from a championship run. Reducing the amount of money you can spend in future years puts your team at a disadvantage in future seasons. If the 2022 salary cap is $200MM you can only spend $180MM because you borrowed $20MM last year to restructure contracts. Your competition gets to spend $200MM which is the equivalent of a couple of starters in FA. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a sign of weakness, eventually you have to pay the piper. It is fiscally irresponsible and poor money management.
Minimum Cash Spending in 2020 | Over the Cap
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
Restructuring a contract in the current season reduces the teams available salary cap of future years. It may make sense for teams who believe they are a player away from a championship run. Reducing the amount of money you can spend in future years puts your team at a disadvantage in future seasons. If the 2022 salary cap is $200MM you can only spend $180MM because you borrowed $20MM last year to restructure contracts. Your competition gets to spend $200MM which is the equivalent of 4 starters in FA. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is a sign of weakness, eventually you have to pay the piper. It is fiscally irresponsible and poor money management.

Mercilus was restructured. You didn't approve?
 

Texian

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Mercilus was restructured. You didn't approve?
Mercilus is gone after this season and will count $7 million as dead money against the 2022 salary cap. You think this prudent and good business? I see it as irresponsible and reckless spending.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
Mercilus is gone after this season and will count $7 million as dead money against the 2022 salary cap. You think this prudent and good business?

Assuming the cap increases in 22 it's a smaller percentage of overall cap space vs this year. In general, I agree with your thesis and don't like it as a common practice ,but I think some contracts are so bad a team should kick the can down the road.

I don't agree that it puts us behind other teams in free agency next year because damn near every other team is doing the same thing and has the same obstacles.
 

Texian

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Assuming the cap increases in 22 it's a smaller percentage of overall cap space vs this year. In general, I agree with your thesis and don't like it as a common practice ,but I think some contracts are so bad a team should kick the can down the road.

I don't agree that it puts us behind other teams in free agency next year because damn near every other team is doing the same thing and has the same obstacles.
Regardless the amount of the salary cap when other teams have a lot more money to spend than you do, particularly those teams in your division, it puts you at a disadvantage.

2022 NFL Team Salary Cap Space Tracker | Spotrac
 
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powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
Regardless the amount of the salary cap when other teams have a lot more money to spend than you do, particularly those teams in your division, it puts you at a disadvantage.

Well, again, most other teams also have bad contracts and even when we do have a ton of money, how big do we go in free agency?

Answer is, not much.

Again, I agree with you for the most part. I just think it's acceptable to restructure a couple of bad contracts per year when necessary.

I think of it as diluting a big problem into a lesser problem over a couple of years. I could be wrong. I'm not a cap affecinodo.

Good topic.
 

Texian

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Well, again, most other teams also have bad contracts and even when we do have a ton of money, how big do we go in free agency?

Answer is, not much.

Again, I agree with you for the most part. I just think it's acceptable to restructure a couple of bad contracts per year when necessary.

I think of it as diluting a big problem into a lesser problem over a couple of years. I could be wrong. I'm not a cap affecinodo.

Good topic.
Which leads us back to Mercilus, Tunsil, Cooks, Cunningham and Lawson. These restructured contracts did nothing to improve the team in 2021 and only made the team weaker in 2022 and 2023.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
Which leads us back to Mercilus, Tunsil, Cooks, Cunningham and Lawson. These restructured contracts did nothing to improve the team in 2021 and only made the team weaker in 2022 and 2023.

Did we sign players on prove it deals this year without those contract restructures? Did Nicky have more room to sculpt this team and shift from a 3-4 to a 4-3 because of it? Time will tell.

I don't like Restructuring contracts, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion that it has to be bad.

Let's consider something else. Nicky isn't Restructuring HIS deals. He's fixing another gm's mistakes. If Restructuring is a common practice for him 3 years from now it might mean he's fixing his own mistakes. That not good.
 

Texian

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Did we sign players on prove it deals this year without those contract restructures? Did Nicky have more room to sculpt this team and shift from a 3-4 to a 4-3 because of it? Time will tell.

I don't like Restructuring contracts, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion that it has to be bad.

Let's consider something else. Nicky isn't Restructuring HIS deals. He's fixing another gm's mistakes. If Restructuring is a common practice for him 3 years from now it might mean he's fixing his own mistakes. That not good.
People keep forgetting Nicky got a $17 million salary cap gift with JJ's departure and he has seemed to piss that away. This is why they fired Chris Olsen because Olson would've never been a part of all this reckless spending. The FUBAR of the player info sheets is a result of the Texans firing Amy Palcic. Things seem to be getting worse around Kirby, not better.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
People keep forgetting Nicky got a $17 million salary cap gift with JJ's departure and he has seemed to piss that away. This is why they fired Chris Olsen because Olson would've never been a part of all this reckless spending. The FUBAR of the player info sheets is a result of the Texans firing Amy Palcic. Things seem to be getting worse around Kirby, not better.

I said it previous to this, I'm not entirely opposed to your opinion on the matter of Restructuring but now your off on a tangent.

2 things:

Get back on topic

Provide resources for Olsen etc.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
Did we sign players on prove it deals this year without those contract restructures? Did Nicky have more room to sculpt this team and shift from a 3-4 to a 4-3 because of it? Time will tell.

I don't like Restructuring contracts, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it's a foregone conclusion that it has to be bad.

Let's consider something else. Nicky isn't Restructuring HIS deals. He's fixing another gm's mistakes. If Restructuring is a common practice for him 3 years from now it might mean he's fixing his own mistakes. That not good.

You pretty much skipped past every point of this post @Texian.
 

Texian

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I said it previous to this, I'm not entirely opposed to your opinion on the matter of Restructuring but now your off on a tangent.

2 things:

Get back on topic

Provide resources for Olsen etc.
You pretty much skipped past every point of this post @Texian.
Since I'm not doing it right go ahead and finish this conversation without me. :) Besides we have exhausted our conversation about restructuring.
 

Texian

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No harm no foul. I wanted you to change my opinion but never got anything tangible. It's all subjective anyway. Be well.
If I have $200 million and you've $120 million I can sign a lot more good players than you and if somehow that doesn't change your mind nothing will.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
If I have $200 million and you've $120 million I can sign a lot more good players than you and if somehow that doesn't change your mind nothing will.
I have 120 till I restructure. Then I have more.

Next year when the cap goes up I dilute the impact of said contract. And so on and so forth. Dont let the devil in the details say hello.
 
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paycheck71

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I have 120 till I restructure. Then I have more.

Next year when the cap goes up I dilute the impact of said contract. And so on and so forth. Dont let the devil in the details say hello.
That's the thing most armchair GM's miss. People say restructures are like running up debt on your credit card. It's not. Assuming that the cap goes up every year, which it does 99% of the time, the interest on this "borrowed" cap space is negative. You actually spend a smaller percentage of your cap space on a restructured contract. You just have to do it with the right players in the right situations. I'm against restructuring in most cases, but if you think the player you're restructuring will finish his contract with your team, and especially if freed up space will help you achieve your goals for the season, do it!
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
That's the thing most armchair GM's miss. People say restructures are like running up debt on your credit card. It's not. Assuming that the cap goes up every year, which it does 99% of the time, the interest on this "borrowed" cap space is negative. You actually spend a smaller percentage of your cap space on a restructured contract. You just have to do it with the right players in the right situations. I'm against restructuring in most cases, but if you think the player you're restructuring will finish his contract with your team, and especially if freed up space will help you achieve your goals for the season, do it!

Mf'ing excellently said and more eloquent then the how I put it. I don't like Restructuring contracts but I see the purpose when necessary.
 

steelbtexan

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My guess is the Texans combined win total for 2021 and 2022 seasons will be < than 10 and they will be picking in the Top 10 for next 3 years. On the other hand, since I have been a confirmed advocate for hiring a winner, someone who wins more games than most, I'm predicting that Urban Meyer and the Jags will be the AFC South Conference Champions in the next 2 to 3 years. The Texans will dwell in the cellar. That's my official OTR.
I've got no problem with losing the next couple of seasons. It's to be expected because when your franchise QB is a pervert these things are to be expected. Hopefully Mills is a franchise QB and Caserio can use the next 2 yrs worth of high draft picks and hopefully a bunch of picks from trading the pervert to rebuild the team. It's likely you will be right. But at least there's hope.
 

powda

Let's ride a comet with Jack!
I've got no problem with losing the next couple of seasons. It's to be expected because when your franchise QB is a pervert these things are to be expected. Hopefully Mills is a franchise QB and Caserio can use the next 2 yrs worth of high draft picks and hopefully a bunch of picks from trading the pervert to rebuild the team. It's likely you will be right. But at least there's hope.

Did you just acknowledge dw was a franchise qb?
 

Texian

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I have 120 till I restructure. Then I have more.

Next year when the cap goes up I dilute the impact of said contract. And so on and so forth. Dont let the devil in the details say hello.
I don't care how much the cap goes up every year. It's going up the same for every team. When you restructure multiple contracts you're depleting your future caps. It's like playing monopoly and this season your competition starts with $180 million and you start with $150 million. Because you need more money to stay in the game you borrow from $40 million from next season. Next Monopoly season your competition starts the season with $220 million and you start the season with $160 million. Again you need more so you borrow again. This is sign of bad contracts, poor money management and recipe for living in conference basement. When you compound this with giving up 10 draft picks to draft 5 players this is a recipe for picking in the Top 5 every year until you get fired 2 or 3 years from now.
 


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