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CWTexansFan

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Public service announcement...
Unless you live in the Houston TV market you will not see the Texans on CBS (unless you have Sunday Ticket) ass wipes are showing the Rams/Cardinals game...
as of now, it may change between now and then. Commie turds
They're showing mercy to us people here in the hill country.
Oh well, free Sunday.
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OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Not sure of the correlation since Stafford's past 3 seasons are tough. Prior to that, he was pretty strong when he was healthy and he had some healthy weapons as well. Watson on the other hand has gotten better each year of the past 3 seasons while the team around has regressed horribly.

The difference, Watson just signed a new contract and will rely solely on the Texans to finally put a competitive team around him......if the Cowboys were smart, they'd trade for Stafford, which would be a cheaper option than signing Dak to a today's NFL QB contract. Stafford with a healthy Cowboys offense could be an amazing union. Cowboys could draft a new rookie QB in 2022 and let Stafford do the mentoring.
 

welsh texan

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Tbh those teams are probably in better shape for a quick turn around than Houston
Watson has this team within a score in a lot of games this season.

Better coaching against Cleveland and Minnesota, a D that didn’t flop against Tenn, both Colts games and the Bangals game.

You have 6 wins right there that were lost due to coaching decisions, effort level (especially on D), and amateur mistakes.

We have the QB of the present, in his prime, he needs a well coached, highly motivated cast around him, not some unobtainable roster of talent.

Those issues don’t cost assets to fix.
Let’s hope his elbow is good to go by September.
 

otisbean

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Watson has this team within a score in a lot of games this season.

Better coaching against Cleveland and Minnesota, a D that didn’t flop against Tenn, both Colts games and the Bangals game.

You have 6 wins right there that were lost due to coaching decisions, effort level (especially on D), and amateur mistakes.

We have the QB of the present, in his prime, he needs a well coached, highly motivated cast around him, not some unobtainable roster of talent.

Those issues don’t cost assets to fix.
Let’s hope his elbow is good to go by September.
We’ve been a very poorly coached team this year. With better coaching and some smart additions/maneuvers I wouldn’t be surprised to see us back in the hunt for playoff spot next season. I’m not suggesting we will be SB contenders, but I could see us in the hunt for a WC spot.
 

Corrosion

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Why do the Urban Meyer rumors have him going to Detroit and Jacksonville and not Houston?
Tbh those teams are probably in better shape for a quick turn around than Houston
Jax will have the #1 pick in every round and has a league high $84.5m in cap space to play with.

Hard to see them not improving drastically between this season and next.
That said , I'm not all that sold on Trevor Lawrence as an NFL QB.
 
Watson has this team within a score in a lot of games this season.

Better coaching against Cleveland and Minnesota, a D that didn’t flop against Tenn, both Colts games and the Bangals game.

You have 6 wins right there that were lost due to coaching decisions, effort level (especially on D), and amateur mistakes.

We have the QB of the present, in his prime, he needs a well coached, highly motivated cast around him, not some unobtainable roster of talent.

Those issues don’t cost assets to fix.
Let’s hope his elbow is good to go by September.
I'm not sure if it's an effort level issue on D, I do think those guys are trying but lack coaching (not just decisions but discipline/skill enhancement) and overall talent. The biggest concern to me is the unknown financial situation. If the team can manage the contracts properly it would soften the blow of not having picks in the first two rounds in the upcoming draft.
 

Texian

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Jax will have the #1 pick in every round and has a league high $84.5m in cap space to play with.

Hard to see them not improving drastically between this season and next.
That said , I'm not all that sold on Trevor Lawrence as an NFL QB.
This is all well and good, is reasonable and rational thinking but Meyer could still be part of Texans HC conversation and he is not.
 

thunderkyss

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...if the Cowboys were smart, they'd trade for Stafford, which would be a cheaper option than signing Dak to a today's NFL QB contract. Stafford with a healthy Cowboys offense could be an amazing union. Cowboys could draft a new rookie QB in 2022 and let Stafford do the mentoring.

Cheaper to just keep Dalton. Dalton's career has been very much like Stafford's & how Watson's is playing out.
 

Texian

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I don't really think he's seriously part of any NFL team HC discussion. He recently turned down a huge offer to coach at UT (Texas) over health concerns , the same reasons he left previous coaching gigs.
I find it hard to believe that Univ of TX made a huge offer. One because Tom Herman is still the head coach and has not been fired as far as I know. (Sounds like fan poppycock/scuttlebutt to me). Two making a huge offer to a football coach goes against everything the Communist/Socialist school stands for. Recent history shows their last two hires were lowball salaries and on top of that the HC couldn't pay asst coaches competitive salaries they wanted/needed to.

Also don't believe Meyer quit OSU because of health. I think that had more to do with wrong doings of assistant coach that some accused Meyer of covering up.
 
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steelbtexan

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Why do the Urban Meyer rumors have him going to Detroit and Jacksonville and not Houston?
Because Meyer would want full contol over the football operation and after the BOB experiment this will never happen. Plus Easterby isn't going to give up control.


Jax will have the #1 pick in every round and has a league high $84.5m in cap space to play with.

Hard to see them not improving drastically between this season and next.
That said , I'm not all that sold on Trevor Lawrence as an NFL QB.
Yep,

A Clemson system QB.
 

steelbtexan

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Watson has this team within a score in a lot of games this season.

Better coaching against Cleveland and Minnesota, a D that didn’t flop against Tenn, both Colts games and the Bangals game.

You have 6 wins right there that were lost due to coaching decisions, effort level (especially on D), and amateur mistakes.

We have the QB of the present, in his prime, he needs a well coached, highly motivated cast around him, not some unobtainable roster of talent.

Those issues don’t cost assets to fix.
Let’s hope his elbow is good to go by September.
Scoring on the 1st drive of the game and finishing games would be a big help.
 

Texian

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Two making a huge offer to a football coach goes against everything the Communist/Socialist school stands for.
Upon further review the President of U of TX, Jay Hartzell, is a Midwesterner, has an economics degree and was Dean of the McCombs School of Business. So maybe just maybe the academia tide has turned the corner in Austin TX.
 

Speedy

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We’ve been a very poorly coached team this year. With better coaching and some smart additions/maneuvers I wouldn’t be surprised to see us back in the hunt for playoff spot next season. I’m not suggesting we will be SB contenders, but I could see us in the hunt for a WC spot.
Offensively I don’t think they’d have to do much tweaking, especially if the o-line can improve simply with better coaching. They still need a RB and a couple of WRs, especially if Fuller is gone, but they could be a top 10 offense.

The defense is what’s going to hold them back. They need everything on that side of the ball, pass rushers, run stuffers, and DBs all in a big way. That’s going to take some time. With what little they’ve got to address those needs, I don’t think scheme and coaching alone fixes much of that. Not with the lack of talent they have.
 

steelbtexan

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Upon further review the President of U of TX, Jay Hartzell, is a Midwesterner, has an economics degree and was Dean of the McCombs School of Business. So maybe just maybe the academia tide has turned the corner in Austin TX.
Doubtful.

What's going on at UT appears to be old school guys at UT want a winner (But dont want to have to pay the 25 mil buyout for Herman and top $$$$ for a guy like Meyer) and the new school guys that value UT athletics just a little more than Rice does.

Meanwhile Jimbo is building the dominate program in the state while the powers that be at UT are twiddling their thumbs. If you want to be the best you have to pay for it. This includes asst coaches.

The recruiting classes for the next couple of yrs have gone down the toilet. A lifelong Longhorn commit like Ewres de-committing tells you which way the program is headed. A hire like Meyer could change everything almost immediately but you gotta pay for that and UT has changed their values over the yrs.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Cheaper to just keep Dalton. Dalton's career has been very much like Stafford's & how Watson's is playing out.
Crappy arse organizations sure know how to duck up a really good situation. None of these organizations ever deserved the luxury of having these QB's with their teams. Texans have been right in that pot of shite after 18 seasons......wonder when they'd like to get out?
 

otisbean

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Offensively I don’t think they’d have to do much tweaking, especially if the o-line can improve simply with better coaching. They still need a RB and a couple of WRs, especially if Fuller is gone, but they could be a top 10 offense.

The defense is what’s going to hold them back. They need everything on that side of the ball, pass rushers, run stuffers, and DBs all in a big way. That’s going to take some time. With what little they’ve got to address those needs, I don’t think scheme and coaching alone fixes much of that. Not with the lack of talent they have.
I 100% agree that we need a talent infusion on D, but I’ve seen things schematically that bother me. Have you noticed how we are getting absolutely killed with short passes to flats and screens. It’s absurd. I think part of that is the scheme. We certainly need help though. I do hope Blacklock, Reid, and Greenard take a step with an off season under their belt. I think removing Murray and maybe Johnson and replacing them with average players would be helpful as well
 

badboy

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I 100% agree that we need a talent infusion on D, but I’ve seen things schematically that bother me. Have you noticed how we are getting absolutely killed with short passes to flats and screens. It’s absurd. I think part of that is the scheme. We certainly need help though. I do hope Blacklock, Reid, and Greenard take a step with an off season under their belt. I think removing Murray and maybe Johnson and replacing them with average players would be helpful as well
While Johnson and Johnson didn't work on offense hopefully Reid and Reed on defense will.
 

FuzzyLogic

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Jax will have the #1 pick in every round and has a league high $84.5m in cap space to play with.

Hard to see them not improving drastically between this season and next.
That said , I'm not all that sold on Trevor Lawrence as an NFL QB.
Jags always seem to have top picks and money to burn - almost got them to a super bowl, then burned to the ground
 

Speedy

Yeller Dweller
While Johnson and Johnson didn't work on offense hopefully Reid and Reed on defense will.
Justin took a big step back this season. Maybe better coaching gets him back on track, but John barely gets on the field even with the mess they have in the secondary. I would have liked to have seen him out there more taking his lumps and learning the game. That didn't get done so he's basically a rookie again next year.
 

Earl34

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Random thought. With the parity in the NFL and so many games being decided by 3 to 5 plays a game. I have always felt that in game, coaching decisions can win or lose 3 to 4 games a season. Don't get me wrong, 80% to 85% of the games, the players decide the outcome, but there is a percentage of games that great coaching can impact the outcome.

Does anyone else agree with the impact of coaching on the W/L record? Examples are ill advised 4th down calls, punts, or just bad play calls during a game. Another example, Gregg Williams' 4th down defensive call that got him fired.
 

steelbtexan

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Random thought. With the parity in the NFL and so many games being decided by 3 to 5 plays a game. I have always felt that in game, coaching decisions can win or lose 3 to 4 games a season. Don't get me wrong, 80% to 85% of the games, the players decide the outcome, but there is a percentage of games that great coaching can impact the outcome.

Does anyone else agree with the impact of coaching on the W/L record? Examples are ill advised 4th down calls, punts, or just bad play calls during a game. Another example, Gregg Williams' 4th down defensive call that got him fired.
I would say 4 or 5 games.

Conservative play calling has cost the Raiders the last 2 games for instance.
 

thunderkyss

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Does anyone else agree with the impact of coaching on the W/L record? Examples are ill advised 4th down calls, punts, or just bad play calls during a game. Another example, Gregg Williams' 4th down defensive call that got him fired.
I remember watching a Patriots game where Cheat made a "questionable" call & one of the announcers was going on & on about how senseless it was.

Then the other announcer was like, "Dude, it's Belichick. You think he don't know? C'mon."

So in a sense I see your point. But, most of the time we don't know what exactly that coach is trying to achieve. Some of these guys are thinking on a whole other level four or five moves ahead of the rest of us.

Even in those situations, it's more, imo, about execution. Preparing the team to play through the week has far more influence than a gut decision in game.
 

Texansballer74

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Random thought. With the parity in the NFL and so many games being decided by 3 to 5 plays a game. I have always felt that in game, coaching decisions can win or lose 3 to 4 games a season. Don't get me wrong, 80% to 85% of the games, the players decide the outcome, but there is a percentage of games that great coaching can impact the outcome.

Does anyone else agree with the impact of coaching on the W/L record? Examples are ill advised 4th down calls, punts, or just bad play calls during a game. Another example, Gregg Williams' 4th down defensive call that got him fired.
Bill O’Brien says AMEN
 

welsh texan

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Random thought. With the parity in the NFL and so many games being decided by 3 to 5 plays a game. I have always felt that in game, coaching decisions can win or lose 3 to 4 games a season. Don't get me wrong, 80% to 85% of the games, the players decide the outcome, but there is a percentage of games that great coaching can impact the outcome.

Does anyone else agree with the impact of coaching on the W/L record? Examples are ill advised 4th down calls, punts, or just bad play calls during a game. Another example, Gregg Williams' 4th down defensive call that got him fired.
I went through this seasons record and found I think 7 extra wins we could have had if we were better coached.

Heck, go even further than that and cut out the really stupid GM decisions made (like taking Johnson over Hyde, relying on an injured Conley at CB, you can still lose Hopkins if ownership don’t want him around for instance). We’d have had a solid team.

But the point is, this team, with these players, was actually really close to going 11-5, if it wasn’t for our 250 yard a game rushing D, an OL that can’t run block, choosing the wrong type of running back, and silly mental errors at key moments.

To be clear the games that were close enough to say coaching was the problem, are;
Minnesota (complete **** show that got OB fired)
Titans 1 (ran through us at ease)
Browns (badly coached in adverse weather)
Colts 1 (The snap)
Colts 2 (Fumble)
Bengals (lack of motivation, that is a terrible football team)
Titans 2 (250 yards rushing, yet it’s still a close game)

That’s 11-5 if this team made only a couple of better off season decisions and were coached better in game.
 

Speedy

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I went through this seasons record and found I think 7 extra wins we could have had if we were better coached.

Heck, go even further than that and cut out the really stupid GM decisions made (like taking Johnson over Hyde, relying on an injured Conley at CB, you can still lose Hopkins if ownership don’t want him around for instance). We’d have had a solid team.

But the point is, this team, with these players, was actually really close to going 11-5, if it wasn’t for our 250 yard a game rushing D, an OL that can’t run block, choosing the wrong type of running back, and silly mental errors at key moments.

To be clear the games that were close enough to say coaching was the problem, are;
Minnesota (complete **** show that got OB fired)
Titans 1 (ran through us at ease)
Browns (badly coached in adverse weather)
Colts 1 (The snap)
Colts 2 (Fumble)
Bengals (lack of motivation, that is a terrible football team)
Titans 2 (250 yards rushing, yet it’s still a close game)

That’s 11-5 if this team made only a couple of better off season decisions and were coached better in game.
And how many could have been won with an opening drive score in just half of the games? Or the defense making a stop at the end one freaking time?

The NFL is such where most games come down to a handful of plays being the difference, and coaching decisions certainly factor into it. 2 or 3 plays from sweeping the Titans, and the Colts, a couple of plays from beating the Bengals. That’s a 5 game turn around with just that.

I don’t think they really have to have a total makeover to get back to playoff contention. Coaching staff, yes. But on offense they really just need competent RBs, and hopefully coaching can fix a lot of the OL woes. Defense is where the struggle will be. Coaching alone won’t fix that. They need pass rushers, they need run stuffers, they need DBs in a big way. But just getting the defense to bad instead of god awful will win them games.
 

banned1976

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Their 2021 3rd place schedule may help the Texans. But this is a bad football team that lost to other bad football teams. Sure, they played the Titans and Colts tough but as others have pointed out, those teams have their own flaws.

They’re about to (at least I hope) go through a serious turnover of personnel. It’s going to take awhile for those new faces to get up to speed. I don’t want the new regime to simply come in and put a fresh coat of paint on this clunker. And then lie to the fans that they did an overhaul under the hood and that we should be damn happy about it. I’ve heard enough of that.
 

steelbtexan

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I went through this seasons record and found I think 7 extra wins we could have had if we were better coached.

Heck, go even further than that and cut out the really stupid GM decisions made (like taking Johnson over Hyde, relying on an injured Conley at CB, you can still lose Hopkins if ownership don’t want him around for instance). We’d have had a solid team.

But the point is, this team, with these players, was actually really close to going 11-5, if it wasn’t for our 250 yard a game rushing D, an OL that can’t run block, choosing the wrong type of running back, and silly mental errors at key moments.

To be clear the games that were close enough to say coaching was the problem, are;
Minnesota (complete **** show that got OB fired)
Titans 1 (ran through us at ease)
Browns (badly coached in adverse weather)
Colts 1 (The snap)
Colts 2 (Fumble)
Bengals (lack of motivation, that is a terrible football team)
Titans 2 (250 yards rushing, yet it’s still a close game)

That’s 11-5 if this team made only a couple of better off season decisions and were coached better in game.
Most teams can look back on the season and point to things like this.

Most NFL games are 1 score games.
 

TexansBull

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Why do the Urban Meyer rumors have him going to Detroit and Jacksonville and not Houston?
Detroit is 3 hours away from one college he coached, and Jacksonville is about an hour from another college he coached.

And the Texans have fewer draft picks and the salary cap is a mess.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Detroit is 3 hours away from one college he coached, and Jacksonville is about an hour from another college he coached.

And the Texans have fewer draft picks and the salary cap is a mess.
JAX is the cat's meow for 2021. They get the Trevor Lawrence pick, another RD1 pick, multiple picks in other rounds, have 84M in cap space, and a stay out of the way owner. JAX could easily be on a quick turnaround (like the Colts) with the right selection of GM and HC.
 

amazing80

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JAX is the cat's meow for 2021. They get the Trevor Lawrence pick, another RD1 pick, multiple picks in other rounds, have 84M in cap space, and a stay out of the way owner. JAX could easily be on a quick turnaround (like the Colts) with the right selection of GM and HC.
Lol their owner just came out and said he will have final control over the roster and the new GM needs to be on board with that. That job sucks
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Lol their owner just came out and said he will have final control over the roster and the new GM needs to be on board with that. That job sucks
Funny, I was just listening to NFL Radio and the host(s) were just discussing the owners position and how he handled being the owner. Maybe he's come to the conclusion that the folks he's hired just haven't done a great job and is prepared to get involved this season. I think his involvement may be determined by the GM he hires and the staff the new GM brings in.
 

Corrosion

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JAX is the cat's meow for 2021. They get the Trevor Lawrence pick, another RD1 pick, multiple picks in other rounds, have 84M in cap space, and a stay out of the way owner. JAX could easily be on a quick turnaround (like the Colts) with the right selection of GM and HC.

Yeah I expect them to make significant improvement over the next two seasons ... I'm not at all sold on Lawrence as an NFL QB tho. He's got some flaws .... I don't think he's near the passer Watson was coming out.
His future hinges on the new coaching staff (assuming they pick him) and them building a system suited to his skills .... If he gets put in a system like Watson has been since he came into the league , he'll be a disaster.

As for the Colts , they may have been better off sucking it up for a year instead of going the stop gap route with Rivers at QB. It got them in the playoffs but it isn't going to win them a Lombardi. He might play one more year ? Pushing the timeframe to find another QB back another year and likely picking late-ish in the draft when they could have gotten that out of the way and had a much earlier pick to use on that QB of the future in what appears to be a pretty decent QB draft.
 

thunderkyss

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posting this here due to the nature of the relationship. ESPN just reported that Alabama is considering Adam gase former Jets head coach and Bill O'Brien you know who for their open offensive coordinator position
I honestly thought BO’b had a good chance of turning into a good HC. I thought Watson was going to save his job & let him develop as a HC.

But he couldn’t let go of being the OC.

Hopefully he learns a few things from Saban he failed to learn from Belichick & kikbooty the next time he gets a HC gig.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
I honestly thought BO’b had a good chance of turning into a good HC. I thought Watson was going to save his job & let him develop as a HC.

But he couldn’t let go of being the OC.

Hopefully he learns a few things from Saban he failed to learn from Belichick & kikbooty the next time he gets a HC gig.
Watson did save his job........for 3 seasons too long.
 
Yeah I expect them to make significant improvement over the next two seasons ... I'm not at all sold on Lawrence as an NFL QB tho. He's got some flaws .... I don't think he's near the passer Watson was coming out.
His future hinges on the new coaching staff (assuming they pick him) and them building a system suited to his skills .... If he gets put in a system like Watson has been since he came into the league , he'll be a disaster.
Imagine if Urban Meyer goes to the Jags, they draft Trevor Lawrence and Meyer brings Tim Tebow out of retirement back to be his backup :lol:...the Jags would suck but probably sell out every game for years.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
I honestly thought BO’b had a good chance of turning into a good HC. I thought Watson was going to save his job & let him develop as a HC.

But he couldn’t let go of being the OC.

Hopefully he learns a few things from Saban he failed to learn from Belichick & kikbooty the next time he gets a HC gig.
Do you think that Bill will listen to Nick about anything? I'm not so sure. O'Brien may have had his feelings hurt at being terminated but his pocketbook got fat.
 


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