Exactly! Much too early to call at this point, but looking good so far imo. Hopefully it will continue for the next 10 years
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Exactly! Much too early to call at this point, but looking good so far imo. Hopefully it will continue for the next 10 years
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If his service life is as good as D. Browns', if he continues to play at this level, then "yes".
Could also be the next Carr/KJo
Give me 1 the certainty of 1 starting all pro 25 yr old out of 2 yrs and I will be very happy.
2 totally different situations.
BTW, there's only been 1 Herschel Walker trade.
Best case scenario is the Mack/Raiders trade.
Worst case is the CB/Manziel 1st rd picks.
He does lead the league in penalties.
False Start (12), Ineligible Downfield Pass (3), Offensive Holding (2)
That's 17 total penalties. 2 were declined. 15 were accepted for 80 yards.
Even though he is a very good left tackle his inconsistent play & failure to learn from his mistakes means I'm just not sure we could ever win a super bowl with a penalty machine like him.
As far as the pro bowl goes I guess Tunsil(his first time in 4 years) & Watson (his second time in 3 years) both making it proves you don't have to play perfect games to be considered one of the best at your position by the fans, coaches and players that voted them both in.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He is not comparing the two positions. Bwhahaha how did you come with that conclusion.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Was kind of hoping Reader might get a nod for the Pro Bowl.
not unless we have the next Bill Walsh making the picks
I don't think we do
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I had Hope's for him and Cunningham.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Once he signs that extension, then I'll say yes!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
-I need his performance to stay on par or him to improve.
-him to sign.
-the gd penalties to be cut in half.
They're alternates....
The Texans also feature a healthy group of Pro Bowl alternates, which means if a player at their position decides not to play, these players will be brought in instead. This list includes outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus, nose tackle D.J. Reader, long snapper Jon Weeks, center Nick Martin and inside linebacker Zach Cunningham. If the Texans go from the worst offensive line in recent memory to having two Pro Bowlers the next year, that will be one of the most remarkable turnarounds in franchise history. Cunningham may have been the biggest snub as he leads the AFC in tackles. D.J. Reader is one of the most underappreciated players in the league and has been a terror in the run game.
Link
With the year he is having I really thought he would. Of course I'm really hoping that none of the Texans will be able to play in Pro Bowl because they will have other obligations.
kiwitexansfan
Hall of Fame
Texansballer74
The Marine
In the beginning a lot of us thought so. But Martin has played tremendously better throughout the regular season.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Personally I dont think Martin was anything special and maybe gets accolades based on family name. I think reid had a superior year easily and i would consider him a bigger snub then Martin (had he not made it.) Jmo.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
“if .. ifs and buts were candy and nuts....”
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Martín has had a resurgence because last year he was pretty bad (21st graded C in NFL) and was even considered the WORST center in the AFC South by some outlets. His overall grade of 64 this year is average - his run blocking is not very good, and he has the 3rd highest salary among all NFL centers. When he’s been out I’ve even caught myself wondering if Fulton didn’t play a better C position.
It’s a “what have you done lately” league and this year he’s played well. At least he isn’t a noticeable liability, not sure if I'd go throwing a party for OBrien over the move just yet.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I would have taken a flyer on Mike Pouncey when he became available but some guys were saying that his career was almost done because of injury - and then he went on to make the pro bowl AGAIN ... LOL. He hurt his neck this year and some are saying could be career threatening, but I thought he and his brother were the best C's in the game.
austins23
Hall of Fame
With TWELVE Ravens making the team and the likelihood of them making the SB and/or big playoff run, there will be lots of alternates going to the ProBowl.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
His PFF rankings hasn't improved all that much compared to last season. He's 17th overall and 4th best center in the AFC South. TBH, extremely surprised he got voted as an alternate.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
7 of the 8 pro bowlers / alternates are Rick Smith picks. Thanks Rick.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Two high ankle fracture surgeries have predictably sigificantly limited Martin's original potential, and will continue to do so for the remainder of his career.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Makes some sense. He doesnt get much push in the run game. Hopefully he lives up to the contract, lots of money still to pay.
Oh shiiiit. Steel is gonna be REALLY grumpy now.
Yr 2 of a 3yr rebuild if you think DW4 is a franchise QB
Thanks Rick Smith.
Pro bowl alternates. SMH[/QUOTE]
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We have other studs that OB got, like Warring and Coutee.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Those were Gaines guys. OB has not officially drafted yet, so he is trader Bill until we see his draft acumen
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The Pro Bowl has turned into the NFL's version of a Harlem Globetrotter game where QBs wear bubble wrap with caution flags and all other players play tentatively praying not to get injured while vying to show off their worthless participation wooden nickels.
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banned1976
sleeper mode
I’d like to be the second person (Tony Romo was the first, that I know of) to congratulate the Texans for a great season in going to, but losing the AFC championship game. Good job, fellas!
My gut feeling, though, is that the congratulations are premature. Starting with the last win (in Tennessee) I believe W, W, L, L is how the trend gets broken. Watson, BO’b and the defense are all to inconsistent for me to believe the highest achievement they earn this year is another meaningless (in my mind) AFC South championship.
Maybe they catch fire and I’m wrong, I just don’t have a good reason to believe otherwise right now.
PapaL
Loose Screw
We already know that OB has his fingerprints all over the draft thanks to this post from the Fire BOB thread:
Texans' Will Fuller Was an O'Brien Favorite During the 2016 Draft Process According to the Titans Mike Vrabel
Tennessee Titans head coach Mike Vrabel made it knows that Houston Texans wide receiver Will Fuller was head coach Bill O'Brien's favorite during the 2016 NFL Draft Process.www.si.com
From that article:
"It is just another sign that shows that O'Brien has had a heavy hand in personnel decisions even with former general manager Rick Smith was in the building. "
banned1976
sleeper mode
Trying to determine how much influence BO’b has had on previous drafts is-
A married couple has two children. One is an overachieving golden child that makes straight A’s; the other is an underachieving black sheep that has had to switch schools because of academic issues. And all the neighbors are trying to figure out on which side of the family each child gets their DNA from.
We’re the neighbors trying to figure out who was behind drafting the Watson types and who was behind drafting the XSF types. We’re never going to know but we’ll keep gossiping about it.
There is no individual responsible... it's a boardroom group-think organization.
And the only responsible thing to do is blame them equally for the bad and praise them equally for the good...even if gossip-mongering feels good and makes us think we are right.
Amen!
well, it's always been just an exhibition game. When it was in Hawaii "honorees" took their families with them there on vacation and who wants to get hurt on vacation?
the only true "All-Star game" used to be in MLB back before inter-league play took the edge off the NL vs. AL rivalry.
Then, on top of that, the tie game happened...
banned1976
sleeper mode
Rivers McCown (@riversmccown) Tweeted:
Houston's wild defensive DVOA splits (lower is better for defenses):
First-down defense: -25.5% DVOA (second best)
Second-down defense: 26.80% DVOA (worst)
Third-down defense: 54.7% DVOA (worst)
Second-and-long: 44.4% DVOA (worst)
Third-and-long: 107.1% DVOA (worst)
Houston's wild defensive DVOA splits (lower is better for defenses):
First-down defense: -25.5% DVOA (second best)
Second-down defense: 26.80% DVOA (worst)
Third-down defense: 54.7% DVOA (worst)
Second-and-long: 44.4% DVOA (worst)
Third-and-long: 107.1% DVOA (worst)
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Stats of a team that is good against the run, but no pass rush.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Most disappointing to me is the 3rd and long % - really doesn't matter you are on 1st and 2nd if your terrible on 3rd down.
Remember the play where we gave up a 1st on what was it 3rd and 102 yards to go? Yeah, that sucked.
Remember the play where we gave up a 1st on what was it 3rd and 102 yards to go? Yeah, that sucked.
What was his pass blocking grade last year & this year?
I don't understand the extension the Texans signed him to & I don't understand him being named a Pro Bowl alternate.
