They act like Mixon can't catch... which is stupid because by taking him out the defense knows you aren't running the ball.
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- Thread starter TheRealJoker V2
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KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Subtle shot fired...
What prevented him from going to the sideline? He's the QB. Call a timout if you're not sure what's happening!
TheRealJoker V2
Veteran
ST only elevation. I would have liked to see him lead blocking at FB. Especially because the team was content to run those heavy bunch packages instead of spreading the defense out. If you’re gonna go heavy then go heavy and bring in the hammer at FB. Don’t tip toe around the gameplan! Just like the last drive. Two telegraphed runs then an out route pass on third down?
austins23
Hall of Fame
I’ve been asking that question since Sunday afternoon! He’s been your only threat ALL game and you sit him down on that play?? Damn….
That Oline coach better have a come to Jesus meeting with himself and the line because that was just pathetic. Guys standing around blocking literally nobody!!
The more I think about it the more angry I get about it.
Texansballer74
The Marine
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If the plan was to burn the clock, then passing the ball should be off the table….not the personnel, just the play calling. Pull Schultz b/c he can’t block shite and insert Stover. Mixon and maybe Ogunbowale in the backfield together. Slowick/Ryan have their strategy to run the ball put together and presented to CJ before they take the field. Howard sits and Fisher is in. If this is the strategy, then Ryans and Slowick have to get their best blockers on the field and dare the Packers to stop them. Get on the field, execute the plays, and force the Packers to burn their TO’s. Kick the FG. This puts the onus on GB to drive the field, but in this case with no TO’s to rely on.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Unfortunately, those PFF scores don’t represent what was “seen” on the field of play. My thought has nothing to do with predisposed disappointment, it’s solely based on what I saw happening on the field in this game. Those scores would indicate that the total offensive failure of the GB game fell squarely on Green and Green alone. That wasn’t the case at all.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Agreed 1000%.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Just looking at the GB game, and looking only at the passing plays, I flagged Green only once for giving up pressure. As for the running game, Mixon had over 100 yds, so the OL had to be doing something right.
Right now looking at the 3rd play of the Texans first series and GB is lined up with 8 players on the LOS. How should the Texans adjust or attack this? This is on the coaching.
What they should've done is run their regular offense when they had 1st and 10 from the 12. If the pass play wasn't there then tell Stroud to get what he can with his feet or take a sack. Say Slowik goes with a quick passing game (3-5 step drops) and Stroud takes 3 sacks and loses 10 yds, worst case scenario is you have Fairbarin kicking a 40 yd FG with the Packers using all of their timeouts. I'll take my chances with that. Of course I guess the worst case scenario would be Stroud throwing an int, but I would still take my chances.
The Texans were dominated up front in this game and the turnovers are the only thing that gave the Texans a chance to win IMHO.
I've been saying for yrs that PFF is part of an equation vs the gospel.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Indeed.
If I’m going to pass the ball, I’m throwing something to Mixon who was your best weapon on offense yesterday. Give him the chance in space to make a play.
But they’re in love with Tank, that’s why they continue to go to him those situations. Especially since Nico is out of the lineup.
Having Nico run a slant or a go certainly would've helped. WR is a sneaky need going into next season. Gotta get another guy that threatens defenses vertically. Man Brian Thomas Jr. would look great in this offense and next yrs draft isn't nearly as good as last yrs WR draft.
I'm afraid Tank isn't anywhere near the same player he was last yr due to injury/being shot. Time will tell.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Me too because he’s not getting any separation out there. Sometimes it take some players a year and some change to get back to the level they use to be. Some never recovers.
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NitroGSXR
Super Sic #58
I’m already done with the Tank experiment. Time to move on.
Makes me believe the plan wasn't to score a FG, but to score a TD. Like you said, why else would they throw the ball on 3rd down, except to convert.
This offense wasn't moving the ball outside of Joe Mixon so running it on 1st & 2nd down was probably the right idea. Just poor execution.
If you consider a 69 to mean "All-Pro" stud... but it doesn't mean anything like that at all. Decent.. avg.. able to get got. Then you've got one guy playing well below what's apparently a pretty low bar.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
There seems to be a "revolution" of sorts in the NFL against the Shanahan version of the WCO. D-coordinators & other HC's alike are just seeing too many teams are running it now. We heard the announcers allude to this in our Minny game when they talked about how when O'Connell hired Flores and told him how many Shanahan WCO's they have on their schedule this year and told him the main thing he wanted him to do is figure out a way to defend it and/or slow it down...Minny is 5-1..led by their defense.
We also see how SF is all of a sudden struggling on offense for really the 1st time under him. Part of that is they miss C-mac, the other part is that defenses are playing that shell defense limiting that big downfield play that the Shanahan WCO likes to utilize off the playaction stuff. So in essence, it doesn't matter how well you run it, teams would rather you move it down the field that way & then start "squeezing" you as you approach the red zone...But what you're not going to do is bomb on them with big chunk plays.
GB basically beat us with the same defensive strategy that Minny beat us with...which is the same strategy that they've beat everyone with...that KC and Spags have been employing for the last 2-3 years now. The simulated pressure / ameoba defense looks...which is sorta making a comeback from the Landry days with Randy White and co. What most of these D-coordinators have realized is that the d-line/LBs are much more athletic than these o-linemen. & if you can crowd the LOS & create confusion with whose coming/not coming with the o-line..even for a split- second, that split second is just enough to allow those more athletic edge guys & LB's get past the o-lineman and wreak havoc. Not an entirely new thought, just executed with more precision and purpose. So in essence, nothing has time to develop.
Gonna be interesting to see how offenses counteract this & in particular how our o-line is going to b/c GB basically beat us with the same simultated pressure strategy that Minny used. Discouraging that our offensive coaches have still not found a way to deal with it.
Also as it relates to our offense, CJ is in shotgun too much. When you're in shotgun, defenses/edge guys in particular can take advantage of that b/c if a QB drifts to far back it decreases that angle at which they can attact & they can more easily just run around the tackle. He needs to be under center more and they need to shorten his drops so that those edge guys have to really work to get around the tackle.
We also see how SF is all of a sudden struggling on offense for really the 1st time under him. Part of that is they miss C-mac, the other part is that defenses are playing that shell defense limiting that big downfield play that the Shanahan WCO likes to utilize off the playaction stuff. So in essence, it doesn't matter how well you run it, teams would rather you move it down the field that way & then start "squeezing" you as you approach the red zone...But what you're not going to do is bomb on them with big chunk plays.
GB basically beat us with the same defensive strategy that Minny beat us with...which is the same strategy that they've beat everyone with...that KC and Spags have been employing for the last 2-3 years now. The simulated pressure / ameoba defense looks...which is sorta making a comeback from the Landry days with Randy White and co. What most of these D-coordinators have realized is that the d-line/LBs are much more athletic than these o-linemen. & if you can crowd the LOS & create confusion with whose coming/not coming with the o-line..even for a split- second, that split second is just enough to allow those more athletic edge guys & LB's get past the o-lineman and wreak havoc. Not an entirely new thought, just executed with more precision and purpose. So in essence, nothing has time to develop.
Gonna be interesting to see how offenses counteract this & in particular how our o-line is going to b/c GB basically beat us with the same simultated pressure strategy that Minny used. Discouraging that our offensive coaches have still not found a way to deal with it.
Also as it relates to our offense, CJ is in shotgun too much. When you're in shotgun, defenses/edge guys in particular can take advantage of that b/c if a QB drifts to far back it decreases that angle at which they can attact & they can more easily just run around the tackle. He needs to be under center more and they need to shorten his drops so that those edge guys have to really work to get around the tackle.
Agreed and I really like your ideas of how to counter.
Sweech
Onside Kick Specialist
I think a way to counteract this is to stop using so many tight formations. A favourite of the Shanahan and it's disciples in recent years.
If they want to go amoeba and load the line that's fine but you're taking a big risk against formations that spread receivers out across the field because getting the guys into their proper defensive positions who are dropping into coverage is much more difficult when the receivers are essentially uncovered off the snap and spread out wider than the defender(s).
The real key will be to be able to still run successfully when you and the defense aren't packed tightly.