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TheRealJoker V2

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What a game. Seven lead changes. Didn’t go our way today but I was proud of the effort today. Had the opportunities to win, just didn’t get the job done.

What went well:

1) Joe Mixon: Man he’s having a heck of a year! He was the sole source of offense today it seemed. Very happy with the Mixon acquisition and can’t wait to see him next week against the Colts!

2) Defense: Down 5 starters and held Love and company to 24 points and under 300 yards. Also forced 3 turnovers and got 3 sacks. I’m proud of the defensive effort today against one of the most explosive offenses on the road.



What did not go well:

1) Offensive line: Particularly pass blocking. CJ took 4 sacks and was under pressure all game. Just an awful performance from this OL. They still can’t pick up stunts and are still making the same mistakes they have all season. Run blocking had its moments, but I think a lot of that was due to Mixon. When it was time for the OL to move some butts off the line when the defense knew what was coming (two point attempt, last drive of game) they got dominated at the LOS.

2) Slowik playcalling: Slowik got outcoached by the Packers DC. Complete lack of adjustments all game long. If CJ can’t run around and find Nico after being pressured he apparently can’t find anybody. CJ ends the game with 86 yards passing and Tank ends his second game with 0 yards or less receiving. This pass game was nonexistent. Sure Nico was out, but there’s still a four headed monster!!
 
I don't know who we would target, but Slowick needs his walking papers. He has been utterly unimpressive all season long. Last season was a fluke carried by a rookie QB taking the league by surprise.

O-Line needs to be shaken up. Bench, fire, sign, something, someone, anyone, including the o-line coach. Our o-line is a clown show.

Mixon, you are a man among little boys, literally. This offensive line looks like little boys learning their positions.

Stroud appears fed up with the play calling and the way his o-line plays as if they are all wearing roller skates. If he keeps trying to carry this team on his shoulders, he will get injured. Lucky that didn't happen today.
 
Decim8 said:
we invested quite a bit into the oline and to see them play like that…..is very concerning

Defense gave us every chance to win that game
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Backups on defense making league minimum were out there playing with their hair on fire making impactful plays to win the game.

The highly drafted/highly paid OL look fat and happy making the same mistakes and getting dominated.

DeMeco said “players matter”. But I think coaching matters as well. Look how the defense played in comparison. A well-coached unit!
 
steelbtexan said:
I didn't get to watch the game. But after reading, it seems as though the Texans would have won if Nico had played.
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Probably, but the performance on the field didn't reflect the final score at all.. Texans offensive line today was dominated from beginning to end. And if the Texans don't get the timely key turnovers, Nico or no Nico this game would've been a blowout.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why is it when the Texans lose it's always on the coaching? They were undermanned today.
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I think the Texans coached a heck of a game on defense. But offense went the other way. And the difference was a FG when time expired against a tough team on the road in a game with seven lead changes. By no means an embarrassing loss. Maybe if Nico was out there that would’ve been enough but he wasn’t. Maybe if Al-Shaair or Lassiter or any of the other five defensive starters that were out had played that would’ve been enough but they weren’t.

Bill Belichick said on his podcast, “It’s not who you play but when you play them” and that applied to the Texans this week. Hopefully they get some reinforcements back against the Colts and Mixon runs wild again.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Probably, but the performance on the field didn't reflect the final score at all.. Texans offensive line today was dominated from beginning to end. And if the Texans don't get the timely key turnovers, Nico or no Nico this game would've been a blowout.
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Carr Bombed said:
Watch the game..it was close in score only.
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But they did get those turnovers. I can’t think of any better statistic to reflect whether a game was close than the actual score…
 
steelbtexan said:
Why is it when the Texans lose it's always on the coaching? They were undermanned today. The game was closer than I expected.
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The players played (except the oline).
Plenty of coaching issues from not making the Packers use their last time out, to refusal to make adjustments, to season long failures to coach the o-line up. The biggest failure on coaching today was in Slowicks lackluster play calling and inability to call plays to mitigate the pass rush.
 
TheRealJoker V2 said:
But they did get those turnovers. I can’t think of any better statistic to reflect whether a game was close than the actual score…
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Yes coach speak it is (like Bill Parcels said, you are what your record says).. but that score doesn't reflect the physical butt whipping that line took. It doesn't accurately describe how both teams executed today either. This game reminded me of the game we played against the Jags (gifted muffed return turnover and everything) earlier this season except we were the Jags today..

Also yes we did get those turnovers, but the poster I was responding to, brought up the lack of Nico. You can't play the woulda shoulda coulda game, just like you can't count on a bunch of turnovers for a win. Lucky we got them, because it was the only thing that kept the game within reach. They were whipped in almost every single other facet of today's game. Hence why the final score doesn't reflect how our team competed today.
 
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Tough loss. 5-2, 5 defensive starters out. Defense played pretty.

It’s tough winning games with a bottom 5 oc. It’s even more tough being the nfl’s best 3rd down qb when your oc continues to put you in 3rd and long situations.

Some people here believe it’s Cjs fault for the 3rd down pass play. “Why not go down”, they say. Better question is, why not call a run play on the 3rd down forcing Green Bay to use their last timeout, they wouldn’t have been able to stop the clock. We expect a 23 year old qb to have Tom Brady iq. The whole point of having a good Oc is to make the game easier for your young qb. Instead, it seems like we’re making it tougher. I’m slightly worried even at 5-2. 4th or 5th game I’ve seen Cj frustrated on the sideline. It doesn’t make any sense TANK DELL had 0 receiving yards. DIGGS had 28 yards. Dude isn’t a real Oc
 
santo said:
The Packers defense did their job. They didn’t let Stroud get comfortable and kept confusing the OL the whole game. If anything maybe Slowick should have called more no huddles or quick passing plays.
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I’ve never seen an OL incapable of adjusting to the stunts after every defense faced this season keeps using the same strategy.

I’d like to say they must see plenty of stunts in practice, but the Texans run little to no stunts in games. Mano-a-Mano gets a lot of push, but not a lot of sacks. Love seemed to understand that he would see some pressure, but not the sack type of rush.

Slowick never changed his play calling to help CJ and the OL manage the non stop blitz and stunt packages.

I’m pretty much ready to see the shake-up executed on the OL. The shake-up would give the adjusted OL a few weeks together before the WK14 bye week.

The Texans only have Fisher, so against my better judgement, I’d keep Tunsil on the field and sit Howard. I might give Green 2 a shot at LG.

LT- Tunsil
LG- Scruggs (more athletic physical run blocker)
OC- Patterson (cerebral and physical)
RG- Broeker (physical run blocker)
RT- Fisher (physical run blocker)

If the Center is calling the blocking assignments, maybe Patterson would be the better option.
 
Man if Hewitt didn't Chris Benoit that guy (assuming we held them to a FG on that drive.. They would've had to score a TD to end it.. However outside of that boneheaded play he played a hell of a game. I hate close losses, I hate giving the ball back to a top QB and all he needs is 3 points. As soon as we stalled down there the writing was on the wall.
 
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Texansphan said:
The defense earned those turnovers.
You can't minimize them
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I can minimize them and I am.. regarding the final score because you can't count on that amount of turnovers week in and week out to bail out a crap offensive game plan. Honestly if you get that many turnovers you should win going away. Again great job defense, you played great.. Hell I even give you credit for most of our scoring opportunities today.. and then there's the offense
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ve never seen an OL incapable of adjusting to the stunts after every defense faced this season keeps using the same strategy.

I’d like to say they must see plenty of stunts in practice, but the Texans run little to no stunts in games. Mano-a-Mano gets a lot of push, but not a lot of sacks. Love seemed to understand that he would see some pressure, but not the sack type of rush.

Slowick never changed his play calling to help CJ and the OL manage the non stop blitz and stunt packages.

I’m pretty much ready to see the shake-up executed on the OL. The shake-up would give the adjusted OL a few weeks together before the WK14 bye week.

The Texans only have Fisher, so against my better judgement, I’d keep Tunsil on the field and sit Howard. I might give Green 2 a shot at LG.

LT- Tunsil
LG- Scruggs (more athletic physical run blocker)
OC- Patterson (cerebral and physical)
RG- Broeker (physical run blocker)
RT- Fisher (physical run blocker)

If the Center is calling the blocking assignments, maybe Patterson would be the better option.
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That is the lineup I would suggest vs Colts. Broeker drawing a salary, play him or cut; same with Kendrick Green.
 
Frustrating day. We managed to keep it very close despite a horrendous performance by the O-Line in pass pro. Probably the worse pass pro performance I have seen since CJ has been out QB. Crazy as this game was, this was 2-3 plays/better coaching decisions from being a win. The dropped TD catch by Dell early on is an example.
 
I’m just going to be honest.

You have to fire the OL coach to at minimum put heat on Slowiks ass. They haven’t blocked a stunt all year and when they are, there is a missed free runner all over Stroud.

The lack of improvement from the OL despite being the highest paid unit is a coaching matter. Don’t ruin Stroud.
 
corry said:
I’m just going to be honest.

You have to fire the OL coach to at minimum put heat on Slowiks ass. They haven’t blocked a stunt all year and when they are, there is a missed free runner all over Stroud.

The lack of improvement from the OL despite being the highest paid unit is a coaching matter. Don’t ruin Stroud.
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I am -not- okay with having an o-line coach who was run out of his last job for ruining QBs.
 
Wolf said:
Why they didn't make the packers use last time out baffles me
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I agree, it was a pass to the sideline not even the first down marker. So even if he had caught it, the clock would have stopped anyways and the packers still have their last TO. Very questionable play calling in that situation IMO. There have been a lot of head scratchers this season, just so far not many have came back to haunt us. We could just as easily be a 1-6 team right now.
 
NitroGSXR said:
To begin with… there was a backwards pass that could have been ruled a fumble but DeMeco didn’t challenge it. It led to a TD on the following play. That’s on coaches. 100%.
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I am -not- okay with having an o-line coach who was run out of his last job for ruining QBs.
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corry said:
I’m just going to be honest.

You have to fire the OL coach to at minimum put heat on Slowiks ass. They haven’t blocked a stunt all year and when they are, there is a missed free runner all over Stroud.

The lack of improvement from the OL despite being the highest paid unit is a coaching matter. Don’t ruin Stroud.
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corry said:
I’m just going to be honest.

You have to fire the OL coach to at minimum put heat on Slowiks ass. They haven’t blocked a stunt all year and when they are, there is a missed free runner all over Stroud.

The lack of improvement from the OL despite being the highest paid unit is a coaching matter. Don’t ruin Stroud.
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C'mon guys quit dreaming because we are a long, long ways from just an Oline coaching upgrade from being ready to play in prime time.
The Packers front 7, to be sure a quality unit, just man-handled our Oline all day long with few exceptions.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Man if Hewitt didn't Chris Benoit that guy (assuming we held them to a FG on that drive.. They would've had to score a TD to end it.. However outside of that boneheaded play he played a hell of a game. I hate close losses, I hate giving the ball back to a top QB and all he needs is 3 points. As soon as we stalled down there the writing was on the wall.
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That and going for 2 in the 1st freaking half of a game. Early in games, take the freaking points you can get as easily as you can get them. You can play that math bullshit later.

Yes, I'm aware a lot of people don't mind it, and that's fine. My position is that NFL games are usually pretty tight, and missing points early on usually has you chasing those points towards the end. Going for 2, an already lower percentage play, and trying to get the math right early in a game is just dumb to me. There's just too much game left to be doing math that early.
 
Oh, and let's not forget Tank's dropped TD. Games usually come down to a handful of plays. The Texans didn't make enough. And that's with winning the turnover battle 3-0.

Even with the crappy OL this should have been a Texans W. Just didn't make those 2-3 plays they needed to make.
 
Texansphan said:
I knew this would be tough. To lose a close one like that is no shame. I was surprised we kept it that close tbh.
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We've been talking about how bad this team is since Minnesota. Very few of us picked the Texans to win this game.

I think the team looked better today than they did against Minnesota, much better when you consider missing Nico & half the defense. On the road.

We lose to the Colts next week or beat them by a score at the last minute, then I'll be crying like a little diva. Not today.
 
The communication, cohesion and chemistry is lacking big time on that offensive line. What I noticed on quite of few of those stunt plays, they were cleaning Schruggs completely out there, while the other one rush right up the middle. We should’ve address that at the half and have the running back pick up that man. I saw all of them lose on those 1 on 1 matchups to freaking easy.

Coaching and their mishandling of simple game management and coaching in general. No way you run a sideline play in crunch time like that Slowik. Dude also refused to adjust. Meco should’ve called timeout and toss the darn challenge flag. His mismanagement there cost them 7. Green Bay hurried up to the line because they knew that was a backwards pass. Love dropped a dime to his receiver for the easy TD.

Missed tackles and missing five starters on that defense showed against the run.

But hey we had a shot to steal that one with Fairbairn’s clutch FG. Unfortunately we left too much time on the clock.


Can’t win them all but they better unscrew that offensive line because other teams will try to follow suit.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I’ve never seen an OL incapable of adjusting to the stunts after every defense faced this season keeps using the same strategy.

I’d like to say they must see plenty of stunts in practice, but the Texans run little to no stunts in games. Mano-a-Mano gets a lot of push, but not a lot of sacks. Love seemed to understand that he would see some pressure, but not the sack type of rush.

Slowick never changed his play calling to help CJ and the OL manage the non stop blitz and stunt packages.

I’m pretty much ready to see the shake-up executed on the OL. The shake-up would give the adjusted OL a few weeks together before the WK14 bye week.

The Texans only have Fisher, so against my better judgement, I’d keep Tunsil on the field and sit Howard. I might give Green 2 a shot at LG.

LT- Tunsil
LG- Scruggs (more athletic physical run blocker)
OC- Patterson (cerebral and physical)
RG- Broeker (physical run blocker)
RT- Fisher (physical run blocker)

If the Center is calling the blocking assignments, maybe Patterson would be the better option.
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I'm good with that. I thought Patterson did a great job at OC last year. Broeker had a good preseason and Fisher seems to improve with each snap.

I would add that Kendrick Green did a good job in pass protection last year.
 
steelbtexan said:
Why is it when the Texans lose it's always on the coaching? They were undermanned today. The game was closer than I expected.
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Because it was, it’s like they don’t understand what game management is. Slowik refusing to make adjustments. Meco not throwing the challenge flag. Finally the offensive lines coach not getting his blocking fundamentals coached up. Meaning these boys just don’t know what to do when teams stunt on them. Dude got canned for a reason right.
 
Today’s results mean next week the Texans 5-2 play the Colts who sit 4-3 in a game that could either put some daylight at the top of the division or tie it all up.

We’ll need to play better on O if we are to beat them, and could do with some starters back on defence too, Richardson is dangerous and takes good LB play to contain.
 
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