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Not a sexy factor but a big one is Kubiak's offenses could grind out D & clock breaking 11 & 12 min drives. Couple of those will have a D gasping, make comebacks harder and...naturally result in lower scoring games. It's not that they couldn't score faster, they didn't want to. But that's a contrast too, when the pace needed to pixk up it could and still to a desired result. A 4 min drive meant score after 3:45 were gone, not score at any point within the next 4 min and hand over 3:45. The score on TD stats looks the same but they're miles apart on the field....
And never mind the eyeball test. If you can't see the difference there, then the question of are you watching is a valid one.
Yes they are,Not a sexy factor but a big one is Kubiak's offenses could grind out D & clock breaking 11 & 12 min drives. Couple of those will have a D gasping, make comebacks harder and...naturally result in lower scoring games. It's not that they couldn't score faster, they didn't want to. But that's a contrast too, when the pace needed to pixk up it could and still to a desired result. A 4 min drive meant score after 3:45 were gone, not score at any point within the next 4 min and hand over 3:45. The score on TD stats looks the same but they're miles apart on the field.
This is what happens when you have Hoyer at QBO'Brien has also been shut out twice in the playoffs. I don't count that meaningless td at the end.
The problems with his offense are just magnified in the postseason when gameplanning against a specific team becomes more important.
Aggresion is not a universal positive.Yes they are,
One is being aggressive, the other is sitting on a lead.
How did I know that you would be the take no chances and lets play the odds kind of guy. You can win games but not championships with this philosophy, unless you have an all time great defense with an all time great DC.Aggresion is not a universal positive.
Tons of aggressive military commanders have walked their units into an ambush.
It's smart aggression that's an attribute. Scoring too fast in that scenario is flat out dumb.
Inability to read. Absolutely nothing to do with playing odds. It's about being smart rather than the mindless aggression of a chihuahua.How did I know that you would be the take no chances and lets play the odds kind of guy.
Kubiak sitting on leads absolutely had to do with playing the odds.Inability to read. Absolutely nothing to so with playing odds. It's about being smart rather than the mindless aggression of a. chihuahua.
Lol, I must be getting soft but I agree totally with this post. I don’t know how many times I heard Kubiak say that he wants to have the ball in his hands for the last possession. Really? Why not just beat the crap out of them and forget that last possession? I also remember, sickly, how he would sit on any lead. Two things always happened, they lost momentum and screwed up the rhythm of the offense which was vital to Schaub’s game. That momentum thing just drove me nuts. That’s why he was a subpar HC at Houston and anyone wanting that cut block finesse thing should only see it proved to be a huge failure. And just ask Cushing if the opposing OL’s never took payback shots. He stuck his D out on a limb. Eight year setback plus two with RS with that often embarrassing mess.Yes they are,
One is being aggressive, the other is sitting on a lead. Under Kubiak how many times did they have a drive stall out while they were trying to milk the clock and give the other team a chance to get back into the game. I know how you love to romanticize about the failed Kubiak yrs but they weren't that good.
Like Manning, Kubiak was largely their for the ride.
On the one hand we have "BO'b can do no wrong fans" saying he did the best he could with what he hadWhy not just beat the crap out of them and forget that last possession? I also remember, sickly, how he would sit on any lead. Two things always happened, they lost momentum and screwed up the rhythm of the offense which was vital to Schaub’s game.
How'd that "beat the crap out of them," keep the rhythm going aggression work out for the Oilers? That's right, two of the largest leads lost to lose in NFL history.Why not just beat the crap out of them and forget that last possession? I also remember, sickly, how he would sit on any lead. Two things always happened, they lost momentum and screwed up the rhythm of the offense which was vital to Schaub’s game. That momentum thing just drove me nuts.
Complementary football.Like Manning, Kubiak was largely their for the ride.
BTW, thanks for arguing my point. They allowed the momentum to shift. Shoulda kept going. Pats do. Are they successful?How'd that "beat the crap out of them," keep the rhythm going aggression work out for the Oilers? That's right, two of the largest leads lost to lose in NFL history.
I don't like shoot outs. & it looks like we have the makings of a big play offense, which will be a welcome change. So hopefully I'll change my ways.Our D won't hold teams this year, so the offense better be a bit more aggressive or I join the whip em all train.
Bad example: That was terrible coaching in Buffalo.How'd that "beat the crap out of them," keep the rhythm going aggression work out for the Oilers? That's right, two of the largest leads lost to lose in NFL history.
The Pats barely play the same between or even within a series. They're always trying to have successful drives but how they do so flips a lot. They're the anti-rhythm offense.BTW, thanks for arguing my point. They allowed the momentum to shift. Shoulda kept going. Pats do. Are they successful?
I don't think very much of the man (just in case you didn't know) but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. This will be Watson's 2nd offseason as BO'bs starting QB. A first for BO'b (self inflicted, but still).Funny especially for OB defender steelb, folks say OB wants a rushing team. I'm not sure that's true. I think he's rushed a lot because he's a very conservative play caller with no confidence his QBs know "the system." But assuming he wants a rushing team, why has he done so little to have a good one?
Such as the entire way he changed the offense to cater to Watson’s skill set in 2018 to what we saw in 2019.such as?
I've never defended BOB's offense. Kubiak/BOB are 2 peas in a pod. Very avg and certainly very conservative. Potatoe/Potato.The Pats barely play the same between or even within a series. They're always trying to have successful drives but how they do so flips a lot. They're the anti-rhythm offense.
But I do think coaches should always try for successful drives. And Kubiak was IMO. We had one of the best rushing games. A 12 min scoring drive in the 4th is a dagger thru the heart.
Funny especially for OB defender steelb, folks say OB wants a rushing team. I'm not sure that's true. I think he's rushed a lot because he's a very conservative play caller with no confidence his QBs know "the system." But assuming he wants a rushing team, why has he done so little to have a good one?
Then your double standard for calling people out is huge.I've never defended BOB's offense.
I might have to take you off of ignore.Lol, I must be getting soft but I agree totally with this post. I don’t know how many times I heard Kubiak say that he wants to have the ball in his hands for the last possession. Really? Why not just beat the crap out of them and forget that last possession? I also remember, sickly, how he would sit on any lead. Two things always happened, they lost momentum and screwed up the rhythm of the offense which was vital to Schaub’s game. That momentum thing just drove me nuts. That’s why he was a subpar HC at Houston and anyone wanting that cut block finesse thing should only see it proved to be a huge failure. And just ask Cushing if the opposing OL’s never took payback shots. He stuck his D out on a limb. Eight year setback plus two with RS with that often embarrassing mess.
I've called out BOB.Then your double standard for calling people out is huge.
And I disliked with things Kubiak did at times. But because I disliked him less than you I was a "defender." Forever to be called defender whenever the name is mentioned. Yet by your standard, you are an OB defender. If you're going to use it, own it. Or maybe just leave it out entirely.I've called out BOB.
Remember when he turtled up against Denver, I called him out.
Same in the 1st game at Foxboro in Watson's rookie yr. Seattle, yep.
I just think both BOB/Kubiak are/were. too conservative. How you can defend one and not the other baffles me.
BSAnd I disliked with things Kubiak did at times. But because I disliked him less than you I was a "defender." Forever to be called defender whenever the name is mentioned. Yet by your standard, you are an OB defender. If you're going to use it, own it. Or maybe just leave it out entirely.
Should be a separate forum entirely. Getting pretty ridiculous!Another highjacked Kubiak vs O'Brien thread. Like I suggested in another similarly highjacked thread..................take these old, tired, repetitive, non-productive arguments to the "Fire O'Brien" or other more appropriate threads and fell free to knock your brains out!
This happens on every sports forum across the globe. So complaining about it won't change it all Doc. Just go with the flowAnother highjacked Kubiak vs O'Brien thread. Like I suggested in another similarly highjacked thread..................take these old, tired, repetitive, non-productive arguments to the "Fire O'Brien" or other more appropriate threads and fell free to knock your brains out!
I'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."This happens on every sports forum across the globe. So complaining about it won't change it all Doc. Just go with the flow
I'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."
It might be different if there was some new thoughts being exchanged instead of the same old back and forth repeated ad nauseumI'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."
Exactly. And lets remember this is a voluntary mod staff. Plus for every one anal member offended by the chaos run off by slight thread branching there would be three run off by cuffing everyone around like errant sheep. We try to have a happy medium.We could strictly hold to “you must stay completely on topic at all times” but it would have to be so heavily enforced that it wouldn’t be fun for the mods or the members.
Rookie TE's are rarely big contributors. This is why I only expect 20-25 catches from Warring this yr. Yr 2 is the yr most TE's really make a jump and I expect this from Thomas.And we stay off track because we have to take our shots at others. Bwhahaha
Steel hopefully he is used properly. Heck he could've been good last season.
To an extent I get it last year especially in the later half when the weak Oline got weaker with injuries. Still if a few times at least the TEs had stopped blocking and it had been a short pass to them I think other defenses wouldn’t have been able to just write them off as a receiver threat.Rookie TE's are rarely big contributors. This is why I only expect 20-25 catches from Warring this yr. Yr 2 is the yr most TE's really make a jump and I expect this from Thomas.
It will help if the TE's dont have to spend so much time helping out in pass pro.
This is the main reason I hardly ever discuss things on here anymore and just lurk. Turns into “I’m smarter than you and this is why”. Or the high jacking of conversation for something irrelevant or can be located in 20 + other threads specifically designated for that specific topic.I'm sorry, no it's not when it gets this ridiculous and members and/or mods take the time to call it out for what it is........and the rest of the members have enough respect to understand and adhere to the expected structure of the Board. We've lost good members for just this reason...........thinking they were tuning into rerun episodes of "Members Gone Wild."
They did use Griffin as an outlet.To an extent I get it last year especially in the later half when the weak Oline got weaker with injuries. Still if a few times at least the TEs had stopped blocking and it had been a short pass to them I think other defenses wouldn’t have been able to just write them off as a receiver threat.
Could be that was on Watson wanting to make the big plays but even in that case BoB wouldn’t be blameless as it’s a coach’s job to reign in the hotshot rookie QB till they learn when to go for 25+ and when to be happy with 5.
I’m liking what I’m seeing from Warring, even without needing another TE taken at 3rd he could be the kind of player you just want on your team even if you didn’t have a need when you drafted him.
But after drafting Thomas and a second TE last year I would have thought this years 3rd round pick could have been used on one of several other more needy positionsJordan Thomas is going to be really good next yr.
Gaine drafted a steal.
Deputize me. I may let the occasional loosely related discussion go. But if they start talking about their dog in the Tennessee hills, I'll delete those posts quicker than sht.Exactly. And lets remember this is a voluntary mod staff.
I don’t disagree but something about Warring is making me think he might have been one of the biggest steals in a long time. I can’t explain what nor can I honestly say I have a great track record, or any track record really, on predicting draftees but I’m getting almost Gronk vibes from him. I don’t know, maybe just wishful thinking.But after drafting Thomas and a second TE last year I would have thought this years 3rd round pick could have been used on one of several other more needy positions
including WR, RB, LB, & Dline ?
Deputize me. I may let the occasional loosely related discussion go. But if they start talking about their dog in the Tennessee hills, I'll delete those posts quicker than sht.
Remember Dallas Clark & Brandon Stokely? How the Colts would flex them out when their third & fourth receivers were out? Then they would use a 6th OL to block.It will help if the TE's dont have to spend so much time helping out in pass pro.