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Texans Offensive Line

badboy said:
I and others have Golden and Conerly close around 25. Tankathon.com has Simmons at 25; Conerly 26 and Golden 33.

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Interestingly; 58 79 and 89 gets a end of round one ~ 29.
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steelbtexan said:
I dont think he gets s by the Chiefs.

Daft Golden or one of the TE's.

They need to draft a LG somewhere.

If it wy my choice I would trade up to 1-10 giving up a 2026 1st to draft Banks then hope Taylor falls to 3-79. My contingency plans would include drafting Fidone nd his balky knee at 3-89. Guys got the talent, is a good blocker and and can catch the ball.
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What position ranking do you have him. I have maybe as many as 6 OT's going before him, but with maybe 2 or 3 of those having close to the same grade as his. So it's just a roll of the dice where each is taken.

Jackson would be my backup and more likely to be there without a trade up. It's just that I'd like to see Golden as a Texan and the first priority.

But WR-OL or OL-WR, I'm fine either way.

TE in the 3rd, with the first 4 picks going offense. That second third rounder, another OLman.
 
Number19 said:
What position ranking do you have him. I have maybe as many as 6 OT's going before him, but with maybe 2 or 3 of those having close to the same grade as his. So it's just a roll of the dice where each is taken.

Jackson would be my backup and more likely to be there without a trade up. It's just that I'd like to see Golden as a Texan and the first priority.

But WR-OL or OL-WR, I'm fine either way.

TE in the 3rd, with the first 4 picks going offense. That second third rounder, another OLman.
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6 OTs before Conerly? Wow! I have not read or heard anyone anywhere say that before! Please identify those and why you think they are better than him please. I'm very interested in your evaluation. I think Tice in the video identified Conerly's traits and skill set very well. What do you not like?
 
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badboy said:
6 OTs before Conerly? Wow! I have not read or heard anyone anywhere say that before! Please identify those and why you think they are better than him please. I'm very interested in your evaluation. I think Tice in the video identified Connolly's traits and skill set very well. What do you not like?
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Admittedly, I haven't gotten into this years predraft as deeply, actually very little, as in the past. I've only been using Draft Buzz for their evaluations, so I'm not totally uninformed. And TT. Draft Buzz has Banks, Campbell, Membou and Simmons as 1, 2, 3 and 4. Then closely group Milum, Zabel and Conerly 5, 6, 7.
 
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From their Scouting Report Summary, Draft Buzz appears to rely heavily on film study. How good their analysis is is of course up for debate. But this year's OT class appears deep into the second round. How they end up falling will be interesting.

The Texans almost surely will be taking one, especially since our free agent signings are one year contracts, and whoever they draft, there will be no immediate need to start them early.
 
Number19 said:
From their Scouting Report Summary, Draft Buzz appears to rely heavily on film study. How good their analysis is is of course up for debate. But this year's OT class appears deep into the second round. How they end up falling will be interesting.

The Texans almost surely will be taking one, especially since our free agent signings are one year contracts, and whoever they draft, there will be no immediate need to start them early.
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I agree in terms of immediate need, but it's always nice to get a rookie some live action in their first year to get used to the speed of the game (and the elite athleticism of opposing DEs.) I think if you lined up a rookie OT vs Blake Fisher, who has some starting time under his belt, it would be very obvious (regardless of the rookie OT) who is more game ready.
 
steelbtexan said:
Is he?

He blew at least 3 games last year because of poor play calling.

Day is known as the best QB coach in college football. So much so that CJ would only listen to what Day had to say and not to the OC Wilson
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That is not the reason why CJ was listening to the head coach. Why do some of yall stir up the wrong things just to attempt to prove a point.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That is not the reason why CJ was listening to the head coach. Why do some of yall stir up the wrong things just to attempt to prove a point.
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What was the reason IYO?

Why does it appear that CJ would only listen to Day? Not saying he was wrong, I just find it very curious? Then you've got JB saying Taylor is a better QB coach than Day. I disagree with this and think this is a case of JB wanting to have it both ways. One guy is better (Day) is better than the other guy (Taylor).
 
steelbtexan said:
What was the reason IYO?

Why does it appear that CJ would only listen to Day? Not saying he was wrong, I just find it very curious? Then you've got JB saying Taylor is a better QB coach than Day. I disagree with this and think this is a case of JB wanting to have it both ways. One guy is better (Day) is better than the other guy (Taylor).
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He was not only listening to Coach Day. Come on now please remove that narrative from your chain of thoughts. Everything you hear isn’t true all of the time.

That’s his opinion, you’re acting like the man can’t state who he believes is the better QB coach or OC.
 
Texansballer74 said:
He was not only listening to Coach Day. Come on now please remove that narrative from your chain of thoughts. Everything you hear isn’t true all of the time.

That’s his opinion, you’re acting like the man can’t state who he believes is the better QB coach or OC.
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It's been reported that CJ would only listen to Day and that's one of the reasons Wilson was let go after Day was promoted to HC and eventually Kelly was brought in. Same thing happened with Slowik, it's obvious to me that neither one of these guys respected each other.

Yes, JB's entitled to his opinion and the reason why I posted he was awesome despite wanting to have things both ways. Day was a great QB guy and Taylor is better. Maybe it could be that CJ's good but Burrow's better. Burrow was certainly the better college QB and has proven so far to be the better NFL QB. That doesn't mean that CJ cant become a top 5 QB. A good thing is CJ appears to be staying at home and trying to learn a new offense instead of being a world traveler this offseason.
 
steelbtexan said:
It's been reported that CJ would only listen to Day and that's one of the reasons Wilson was let go after Day was promoted to HC and eventually Kelly was brought in. Same thing happened with Slowik, it's obvious to me that neither one of these guys respected each other.

Yes, JB's entitled to his opinion and the reason why I posted he was awesome despite wanting to have things both ways. Day was a great QB guy and Taylor is better. Maybe it could be that CJ's good but Burrow's better. Burrow was certainly the better college QB and has proven so far to be the better NFL QB. That doesn't mean that CJ cant become a top 5 QB. A good thing is CJ appears to be staying at home and trying to learn a new offense instead of being a world traveler this offseason.
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They lied is my point. But as usual that’s what you like to hang your hat on. Question did Coach Day say that?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Because that’s what a lot of them do. Like I said did you hear that from anybody working for that team? Heck no, somebody through crap out there because of CJ and Slowik first encounter.
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What would make you believe they're telling the truth?

They've got no reason to lie, that'why I believe they're telling the truth.
 
thunderkyss said:
That’s not the way I understood it. The OC was as good as gone & focused on his next stop.

Doesn’t sound like a professional to me, but that’s what I heard. He was out, Day was the de facto OC.
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He left because the timing and used his OC position to get a HC job. Like I said CJ only listened to Day so Wilson was in his way out anyway and happened to parlay the OC job into a HC job .

Anyways Day is the only OC CJ has listened to so far in his career. Unless you truly believe he listened to either Wilson or Slowik and if you think he did, which one do you think he listened to the most?
 
steelbtexan said:
He left because the timing and used his OC position to get a HC job. Like I said CJ only listened to Day so Wilson was in his way out anyway and happened to parlay the OC job into a HC job .

Anyways Day is the only OC CJ has listened to so far in his career. Unless you truly believe he listened to either Wilson or Slowik and if you think he did, which one do you think he listened to the most?
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Like you said, lol man sometimes yall be on this know it all trip. Dude like I said thst wasn’t true at all.
 
Wrote this in the EJ Speed thread initially but moving here:

calishung7717 said:
He's not perfect but it's for one year and he's at worst a solid depth piece.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1906028173097140496
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Ewww....I know this is about speed but I just can't help but notice the Oline...

I wonder what the down and situation was there....

The Colts sold out hard for the run . If that'd have playaction and we picked up the pressure, we could have gashed them.

Also, I see why Kenyon Green is no longer here but that just looks like a bunch of guys who haven't been coached well tbh. Lots of false steps by the Oline. Most of them are initially stepping with their left foot but aren't actually going anywhere...just picking up the foot and putting it back down. That said, most of them had an effective enough block.

Center and left guard didn't work well together so instead of just having one man to beat Mixon has two defenders right where he play is supposed to hit.

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Seems like Green and the Center should have worked together on that combo block and Green should have ended up staying on the DLineman while Scruggs should have ended up coming off and picking up Speed. But it's hard to say they messed up when I'm not sure what they were taught to do there....It just looks like a mess up front though...

Also could be possible that is just a mistake by Green...The play looks like it's supposed to hit in the A gap, so Green has to know that LB is going to be trying to fly across his face. That's a bad path to take by him to try to block a guy much quicker than him...IF that's what he was supposed to be doing he should have taken a more upfield path and let the LB come to him since he'd have to cross his face to get to the play. Anytime as an OLineman you end up not touch a soul on a play and end up looking back at the ball carrier being tackled, thats a horrible rep.

Everything about this play seems like a prime example of why this offense struggled so much last season. Hopefully this new group has us looking like a better run unit.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Wrote this in the EJ Speed thread initially but moving here:



Ewww....I know this is about speed but I just can't help but notice the Oline...

I wonder what the down and situation was there....

The Colts sold out hard for the run . If that'd have playaction and we picked up the pressure, we could have gashed them.

Also, I see why Kenyon Green is no longer here but that just looks like a bunch of guys who haven't been coached well tbh. Lots of false steps by the Oline. Most of them are initially stepping with their left foot but aren't actually going anywhere...just picking up the foot and putting it back down. That said, most of them had an effective enough block.

Center and left guard didn't work well together so instead of just having one man to beat Mixon has two defenders right where he play is supposed to hit.

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Seems like Green and the Center should have worked together on that combo block and Green should have ended up staying on the DLineman while Scruggs should have ended up coming off and picking up Speed. But it's hard to say they messed up when I'm not sure what they were taught to do there....It just looks like a mess up front though...

Also could be possible that is just a mistake by Green...The play looks like it's supposed to hit in the A gap, so Green has to know that LB is going to be trying to fly across his face. That's a bad path to take by him to try to block a guy much quicker than him...IF that's what he was supposed to be doing he should have taken a more upfield path and let the LB come to him since he'd have to cross his face to get to the play. Anytime as an OLineman you end up not touch a soul on a play and end up looking back at the ball carrier being tackled, thats a horrible rep.

Everything about this play seems like a prime example of why this offense struggled so much last season. Hopefully this new group has us looking like a better run unit.
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Good comment, I think this shows the complete lack of (effective) communication amongst the Oline. If you look at C Chris Myers from the Kubiak days, he wasn't a dominant force, but he was excellent at getting the Oline playing as one solid unit. Coaching is a big part of the equation, but someone on the field needs to diagnose the pre-snap motions to get all of the blockers on the same page.

I remember Eric Winston talking about how comfortable the line was with each other's assignments, that they could communicate with grunts.
 
A mock draft taking Josh Simmons at 25.........considering him at first at RT. I'd be hesitant to take him, but putting him at RT would really be a very questionable move. As I've posted in the past, post left patellar rupture, RT would in my opinion seal failure since it would require the repeated stress of forcefully pushing off the left foot to protect the outside.

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CloakNNNdagger said:
That's because Eric "Cromagnon" Winston's grunting was his first language. :)

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Number19 said:
Admittedly, I haven't gotten into this years predraft as deeply, actually very little, as in the past. I've only been using Draft Buzz for their evaluations, so I'm not totally uninformed. And TT. Draft Buzz has Banks, Campbell, Membou and Simmons as 1, 2, 3 and 4. Then closely group Milum, Zabel and Conerly 5, 6, 7.
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Cool but Conerly is pure left tackle as is Charles Grant another guy that I like; both should be okay @LG. Membou, Campbell right tackles only. Simmons and Banks LT , LG and maybe RTs. Zable is a guard and maybe Center only in the NFL but I love his spunk. A senior bowl does not make one an NFL Center.
Milum will be forced to play guard like Zabel and despite his desires to not play that position, I think he will be very good. I just saw another mock today with Houston taking Matthew Golden at 25 and Milam at 58. I could see that happening with Houston bringing in Grant in round 3 with a possible trade up or getting their left tackle of the future in 2026.
 
cland said:
I agree in terms of immediate need, but it's always nice to get a rookie some live action in their first year to get used to the speed of the game (and the elite athleticism of opposing DEs.) I think if you lined up a rookie OT vs Blake Fisher, who has some starting time under his belt, it would be very obvious (regardless of the rookie OT) who is more game ready.
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I agree in common circumstances but would put forth Banks and Conerly ahead of Fisher day one at left tackle. Charles Grant with a few games could be better than Fisher. This is why I am on board with leaving Fisher at right tackle if we can get one of these guys for the blind side.
 
badboy said:
Cool but Conerly is pure left tackle as is Charles Grant another guy that I like; both should be okay @LG. Membou, Campbell right tackles only. Simmons and Banks LT , LG and maybe RTs. Zable is a guard and maybe Center only in the NFL but I love his spunk. A senior bowl does not make one an NFL Center.
Milum will be forced to play guard like Zabel and despite his desires to not play that position, I think he will be very good. I just saw another mock today with Houston taking Matthew Golden at 25 and Milam at 58. I could see that happening with Houston bringing in Grant in round 3 with a possible trade up or getting their left tackle of the future in 2026.
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If I recall, I think the point I was making was the number of tackles which might be taken ahead of Conerly and whether he might fall to the Texans. I'm liking Golden, but a LT/LG is the other option.
 
Lucky said:
The Texans dumped the left tackle, both guards, and the line coach. But everything was fine . Nothing to look at here. I realize DeMeco has to say what he said. But something was clearly wrong.
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Ya...DeMeco is way to classy to throw guys under the bus in public. But the proof is in the pudding, and there's way too much smoke for a house with no fire. I don't buy this denial one iota.
 
badboy said:
Cool but Conerly is pure left tackle as is Charles Grant another guy that I like; both should be okay @LG. Membou, Campbell right tackles only. Simmons and Banks LT , LG and maybe RTs. Zable is a guard and maybe Center only in the NFL but I love his spunk. A senior bowl does not make one an NFL Center.
Milum will be forced to play guard like Zabel and despite his desires to not play that position, I think he will be very good. I just saw another mock today with Houston taking Matthew Golden at 25 and Milam at 58. I could see that happening with Houston bringing in Grant in round 3 with a possible trade up or getting their left tackle of the future in 2026.
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I'd have Conerly above Simmons, purely based on injury; but man do we see the class differently. Campbell is a LT until proven otherwise, and if he failed there I'd move him inside before RT. Membou also is an LT over an RT. Banks is probably tackle flexible, but I'd still say LT over RT. Ozzy Trapilo, BC, is probably the best "pure" RT in this class. Really hoping they stay away from Simmons. Milum is a guard and Zabel is an IOL, personally I'd put him at C.
 
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Lucky said:
Committing penalty after penalty, with zero accountability. Tunsil was part of the problem. He won't be part of the solution. No one here or in the press was in that o-line room. But the play of that line was toxic to winning football games.
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I didn't say that he wasn't part of the problem, but some assigned the "toxic" label specifically to Tunsil. Tunsil had more positives to try to justify his existence than others on the Oline.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Tunsil had more positives to try to justify his existence than others on the Oline.
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I wasn't an advocate for trading Tunsil. It came as a surprise to me. But Tunsil was not playing to his level of talent or pay. He surely wasn't providing leadership by example. I'll never know just how bad it was in that room. But it was bad enough to make a trade that put this team in a bind. I felt like the Texans were stuck with Tunsil in 2025. The Texans said, no we are not.
 
Ryans came and basically said the type open toxicity that Breer wrote was not the case. In short, he said he would not allow that kind BS on his team.

So if you are thinking its coach speak his post-2024 actions said at minimum if we are not getting results we are going make changes

1) Long time friend gone as OC
2) Ol coach not asked back
3) Three Ol that they heavily invested traded and cut

So if there was actually toxicity Ryans took steps to fix the problem.
 
AcresHomesTexan said:
Ryans came and basically said the type open toxicity that Breer wrote was not the case. In short, he said he would not allow that kind BS on his team.

So if you are thinking its coach speak his post-2024 actions said at minimum if we are not getting results we are going make changes

1) Long time friend gone as OC
2) Ol coach not asked back
3) Three Ol that they heavily invested traded and cut

So if there was actually toxicity Ryans took steps to fix the problem.
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Howard slipped through the cracks. He must have ass-kissing down to an amazing art. In the Navy, we’d call it earning the “Golden Snorkel Award “.
 
JB said:
Or maybe Ryan's doesn't think Howard is part of the problem
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It's a function of his contract and his trade value. His dead cap amount saves him... and the fact that everyone knows he isn't good prevents a trade... No doubt the Texans would've loved to dump him too and replace him with a midrange free agent type. However, there was no way to do that. So, he's depth, a potential reclamation project, and/or a cut next season.
 
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