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Lucky said:
Peyton and Tommy weren't above some gamesmanship. Though nothing as blatant as Mahomes pulls.

The Texans have one of the least athletic O-lines in the NFL. You never see these guys get down the field and block. They can't pull. Or get out on screens. Or move their feet on stunts. Or reach block. Or...do their jobs.

Going into the season thinking this group could pull it together and be a plus offensive line was the biggest mistake of the year. More than all the bad calls, be they by the refs or Bobby Slowik. Nothing gets fixed without better Jimmys and Joes on the offensive line.
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That’s 100% on Nick. Y’all keep giving him a pass, and I don’t deny he’s done some good things in his tenure. This isn’t a GM thread, but he is the one who upped the ante for Mason, Tunsil, and Howard, who drafted Juice and worst of all Kenyon Green.

Either Nick must go…which will not happen…or better decisions must be made. I would certainly start with the online coach, but it goes deeper than that. He may be a scape goat more then anything but he must be sacrificed as a bare min. Bobby likely stays. I would remove him and get someone with more experience. We are wasting CJ’s cheap years while Bobby tries to learn on the job. We need someone with no training wheels.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm going to blame Meco for not adjusting and allowing 1 man to beat him. He stayed in that 3 deep just like Lovie stays in that 2 deep. Why have a 1st team all pro corner when you won't use him to the fullest. There is no way in hell BB is going to let 1 man beat him. Every 3rd down and passing down, Kelce should've been in a bracket. Especially when you know 0 can't cover anyone. Yet and still. I look up and Kelce is wide open in the middle of the field. Or on that td. 0 was looking in the backfield as usual vs getting depth to his zone.
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It wasn’t 1 man. It was 2. Many of Kelce’s big plays were on scramble plays. Mahomes was on the other end keeping the play alive.
 
thunderkyss said:
It wasn’t 1 man. It was 2. Many of Kelce’s big plays were on scramble plays. Mahomes was on the other end keeping the play alive.
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0 can't cover you or I. That last td wasn't a scramble, not to mention it was 3rd and goal from outside the 10. It's been like that all year. If you need a completion in the middle of the field, find 0
 
leebigeztx said:
0 can't cover you or I. That last td wasn't a scramble, not to mention it was 3rd and goal from outside the 10. It's been like that all year. If you need a completion in the middle of the field, find 0
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0 is a little better in coverage than Perryman at a fraction of the cost. This is why I really wanted Caserio to pick Payton Wilson last yr, even though Caserio did a great job in the rds 2-3 last yr.
 
Not a Texans or Chiefs fan but this game was clearly rigged in favor of the Chiefs. The refs (if you want to call them that) can have a huge impact on the outcome of the game if they so choose and there is no doubt they weren't going to allow the Texans to have a fair shot. I suspect the NFL realized after last year they want to make sure all the Taylor Swift money (heard it was hundreds of millions) keeps flowing their way so as long as the Chiefs are still playing they get that annual bonus. If you like watching rigged sports like WWE you can add NFL to that list. This is my last year following the NFL, good riddance...
 
Porky said:
That’s 100% on Nick. Y’all keep giving him a pass, and I don’t deny he’s done some good things in his tenure. This isn’t a GM thread, but he is the one who upped the ante for Mason, Tunsil, and Howard, who drafted Juice and worst of all Kenyon Green.

Either Nick must go…which will not happen…or better decisions must be made. I would certainly start with the online coach, but it goes deeper than that. He may be a scape goat more then anything but he must be sacrificed as a bare min. Bobby likely stays. I would remove him and get someone with more experience. We are wasting CJ’s cheap years while Bobby tries to learn on the job. We need someone with no training wheels.
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I'm just going to respond to the 1st part of your post, Caserio's mistakes were.

1. Drafting Green (A lovie pick) and then counting on him coming back from injury and expecting him to live up to his draft billing.

2. Re-signing Howard- I said as much at the time. He's an avg OL that's being paid like he's a top 10 OT.

3. Extending Mason- I understand why Caserio did this but unfortunately he fell off of a cliff as soon as the pen hit the paper. This is on Caserio.

4. Scruggs- I dont think he will be a bad RG at all if he can stay healthy. He's a talented guy. Unfortunately he's not smart enough to play the position he was drafted to be. (Center) So while not a total whiff, he's not what he was drafted to be.

5. Patterson- a steal in the draft and if healthy he's an avg to slightly below avg starter. But he's a versatile IOL piece that can play any IOL position if somebody gets hurt and the OL play wont fall off. There's value in a guy like this.

I hope they sign Drew Dahlman in FA and I like as a Noteboom as as LG in FA. Then let Patterson/Scruggs fight it out for the RG position.

Also draft competition/depth at the OG positions by drafting a guy like Dylan Fairchild in Rd. 3-4.
 
leebigeztx said:
Cashman was the best option, but yeah, a rookie who can run would've been suitable or a guy like Wagner would've worked even at 34
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Yeah, Ryans didn't trust Cashman to stay healthy and wanted to bring in 0 who knew his defense like the back of his hand. In hindsight this was a mistake. But I understand the thinking that went into 0 > Cashman.
 
I would have kept Cashman personally, but not the end of the world. A healthy Harris would help, but we can’t count on him. Bring him back yes. But sign or draft a speedy LB who can cover and let the, fight it out. When Harris gets a hangnail…you have an answer.

I personally would have kept Grenard. Cheaper, younger, and he is just as good as Hunter.
 
Porky said:
That’s 100% on Nick. Y’all keep giving him a pass, and I don’t deny he’s done some good things in his tenure. This isn’t a GM thread, but he is the one who upped the ante for Mason, Tunsil, and Howard, who drafted Juice and worst of all Kenyon Green.

Either Nick must go…which will not happen…or better decisions must be made. I would certainly start with the online coach, but it goes deeper than that. He may be a scape goat more then anything but he must be sacrificed as a bare min. Bobby likely stays. I would remove him and get someone with more experience. We are wasting CJ’s cheap years while Bobby tries to learn on the job. We need someone with no training wheels.
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I look at the decision to start Mason and that, IMHO, solidifies for me that offensive line problems were in coaching.

- Kenyon Green was left as a starter for way too long when Kendrick Green was waiting. Kendrick came in and looked much better.

- Patterson was injured at the time, but Scruggs was left in as starting center for too long. There were miscommunications on the line and it all got fixed when Patterson went in.

- Caserio was able to work the waiver wire and traded with teams to get a better offensive line last year than we had this year. If there was something to fix he could find a stop gap.

Now we can blame Caserio for letting players like Dieter go. Or drafting Kenyon Green.

But it was coaching that was the problem.

You have to ask yourself- it’s January 20th. More than 24 hours after the last game.

- Why is Chris Strausser still employed?
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm going to blame Meco for not adjusting and allowing 1 man to beat him. He stayed in that 3 deep just like Lovie stays in that 2 deep. Why have a 1st team all pro corner when you won't use him to the fullest. There is no way in hell BB is going to let 1 man beat him. Every 3rd down and passing down, Kelce should've been in a bracket. Especially when you know 0 can't cover anyone. Yet and still. I look up and Kelce is wide open in the middle of the field. Or on that td. 0 was looking in the backfield as usual vs getting depth to his zone.
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Me too. This is the one of the major complaints I have about DeMeco. It appears he and his coaching staff goes through periods where they seem oblivious to the talent and capability of their personnel and are failing to adjust when these players are not or cannot execute the schemes.

All season, they kept having Schultz block edge rushers. They want to use Mason as a pulling guard. Azeez covering Kelcie. Tight bunch formations with poor blocking WRs and TEs. Scruggs and the OL calls. Green and picking up stunts. Tunsil and the penalties. It felt like injuries not performance forced them to make needed changes/adjustments. In other words. They are not being proactive in addressing issues and making needed adjustments.

It's one thing to have confidence in your system. It's another to watch players fail to execute the basics of the system while you keep expecting them to "Get It" without making the needed adjustments. Also, I feel that when it comes to accountability, DeMeco holds the defense to a higher standard than he does the offense. He's got to be less DC and more HC.
 
Porky said:
I would have kept Cashman personally, but not the end of the world. A healthy Harris would help, but we can’t count on him. Bring him back yes. But sign or draft a speedy LB who can cover and let the, fight it out. When Harris gets a hangnail…you have an answer.

I personally would have kept Grenard. Cheaper, younger, and he is just as good as Hunter.
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Has Harris been hurt that much? I only remember this year.

Greenard has been hurt more than him I bet. His only healthy seasons were his contract year and this year. Not dependable in my opinion.
 
steelbtexan said:
0 is a little better in coverage than Perryman at a fraction of the cost. This is why I really wanted Caserio to pick Payton Wilson last yr, even though Caserio did a great job in the rds 2-3 last yr.
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0 is rarely used in coverage. That's not why I like him on the field.

If he's in coverage as much as he was that game something else went wrong.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm going to blame Meco for not adjusting and allowing 1 man to beat him. He stayed in that 3 deep just like Lovie stays in that 2 deep. Why have a 1st team all pro corner when you won't use him to the fullest. There is no way in hell BB is going to let 1 man beat him. Every 3rd down and passing down, Kelce should've been in a bracket. Especially when you know 0 can't cover anyone. Yet and still. I look up and Kelce is wide open in the middle of the field. Or on that td. 0 was looking in the backfield as usual vs getting depth to his zone.
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I mean, yeah…but I don’t like that adjustment. u take Sting & put him on Kelce, then you have Nuk out there potentially going to get off. Or Worthy. Or Brown. Basically whomever got our 3rd CB was gonna get the explosive pass play. There’s also the tackling issue that Stingley would’ve had to deal with with Kelce. Which is an issue no one here has talked about. Half of Kelce’s YAC came off of missed tackles..mostly off Bullocks’ missed tackles.

I just think bracketing wouldn’t have helped much b/c Kelce’s not really out there running routes…he’s just running around, finding a soft spot in the zone, sitting down and flashing his numbers to Mahomes; backyard football. Which is what those 2 specialize in & why they thrive in late game situations.
 
Mr teX said:
I mean, yeah…but I don’t like that adjustment. u take Sting & put him on Kelce, then you have Nuk out there potentially going to get off. Or Worthy. Or Brown. Basically whomever got our 3rd CB was gonna get the explosive pass play. There’s also the tackling issue that Stingley would’ve had to deal with with Kelce. Which is an issue no one here has talked about. Half of Kelce’s YAC came off of missed tackles..mostly off Bullocks’ missed tackles.

I just think bracketing wouldn’t have helped much b/c Kelce’s not really out there running routes…he’s just running around, finding a soft spot in the zone, sitting down and flashing his numbers to Mahomes; backyard football. Which is what those 2 specialize in & why they thrive in late game situations.
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Biggest thing I'd have liked to have seen is more rushing the passer with DBs, fast athletic guys who could actually run Mahomes down. Guys like Lassiter, Murray, or Bryant
 
steelbtexan said:
Yeah, Ryans didn't trust Cashman to stay healthy and wanted to bring in 0 who knew his defense like the back of his hand. In hindsight this was a mistake. But I understand the thinking that went into 0 > Cashman.
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It was a wash imo. Cashman didn’t exactly do much of anything for Minny this year; certainly not more than Shaair in the pass defense department. Hell Andrew Van Ginkel was more of a force on defense for Minny than Cashman was. Also in that Vikings v Rams playoff game it wasn’t Nacua or Kupp who had the most receptions and yards it was the TE Tyler Higbee.
 
thunderkyss said:
Biggest thing I'd have liked to have seen is more rushing the passer with DBs, fast athletic guys who could actually run Mahomes down. Guys like Lassiter, Murray, or Bryant
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Not in favor of that b/c if u don’t get home, now you weakened perhaps the strongest part of your defense. I think the d-line did a good job of keeping Mahomes’ running around in check. The biggest play of the game he was literally in the grasp of a d-linemen. Mahomes just made a great throw under duress…I can at least give him that.
 
Mr teX said:
It was a wash imo. Cashman didn’t exactly do much of anything for Minny this year; certainly not more than Shaair in the pass defense department. Hell Andrew Van Ginkel was more of a force on defense for Minny than Cashman was. Also in that Vikings v Rams playoff game it wasn’t Nacua or Kupp who had the most receptions and yards it was the TE Tyler Higbee.
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I didn't keep up with Cashman this yr. Did he stay Health?

Last yr he was better in coverage than 0 was this yr IMHO.
 
steelbtexan said:
I didn't keep up with Cashman this yr. Did he stay Health?

Last yr he was better in coverage than 0 was this yr IMHO.
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He and Shaair both missed a few games. But the way LA handled the Vikes defense in the playoffs this year and the fact that the TE basically killed them too, I doubt Cashman makes much more of a difference in our game pass coverage wise than Shaair. Kelce is an all time great TE & a tough cover for ANYONE so the notion that Cashman would’ve
come in and slowed him down rings hollow with me.

Shaair blew 1 coverage that led to a big play in the 1st half…but it was made a much bigger play b/c Bullock missed the tackle after that. If Bullock gets him down, maybe the Texans defense holds them to a FG there.
 
leebigeztx said:
I'm going to blame Meco for not adjusting and allowing 1 man to beat him. He stayed in that 3 deep just like Lovie stays in that 2 deep. Why have a 1st team all pro corner when you won't use him to the fullest. There is no way in hell BB is going to let 1 man beat him. Every 3rd down and passing down, Kelce should've been in a bracket. Especially when you know 0 can't cover anyone. Yet and still. I look up and Kelce is wide open in the middle of the field. Or on that td. 0 was looking in the backfield as usual vs getting depth to his zone.
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Yeah, the TD play to Kelce hurt. There are so many 'what ifs.' Azeez could have just turned and faced Kelce to cover wherever he went, but if Mahomes breaks loose, it's likely he would’ve run it in, given the giant NFL bubble protection he gets when he runs. Another thought I had is that Azeez might have anticipated Kelce would stop (sit down) where he was in the picture, which would’ve allowed him to cover that area. However, if Azeez had squared up to the middle, he’d have been in a much better position to make a play on the ball when it is thrown, even for the eventual spot where Kelce caught the TD
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KoolAid Sipper said:
Yeah, the TD play to Kelce hurt. There are so many 'what ifs.' Azeez could have just turned and faced Kelce to cover wherever he went, but if Mahomes breaks loose, it's likely he would’ve run it in, given the giant NFL bubble protection he gets when he runs. Another thought I had is that Azeez might have anticipated Kelce would stop (sit down) where he was in the picture, which would’ve allowed him to cover that area. However, if Azeez had squared up to the middle, he’d have been in a much better position to make a play on the ball when it is thrown, even for the eventual spot where Kelce caught the TD
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Everyone is covered until Mahomes breaks the pocket. Azeez just overruns his area, like you said, probably thinking Kelce is gonna sit right there. I think this is just a case of these two beeeyot$$%^ playing lots of football together and knowing what one wants from the other.
 
badboy said:
So you agree that he got better under Sark at UT his junior year where he was "most trustworthy " receiver?

987 yards at 17 yards per catch 9 TDs..as with most WRs he needs to work to be better.

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No, because I don't watch UT sports so I haven't seen him play at all this year.
 
Mr teX said:
He and Shaair both missed a few games. But the way LA handled the Vikes defense in the playoffs this year and the fact that the TE basically killed them too, I doubt Cashman makes much more of a difference in our game pass coverage wise than Shaair. Kelce is an all time great TE & a tough cover for ANYONE so the notion that Cashman would’ve
come in and slowed him down rings hollow with me.

Shaair blew 1 coverage that led to a big play in the 1st half…but it was made a much bigger play b/c Bullock missed the tackle after that. If Bullock gets him down, maybe the Texans defense holds them to a FG there.
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Nah, he blew that td play and that simple roll out. What about the 3rd down vs the Lions and St Brown? He's never been good in coverage. On that 50yd play to Kelce, he bit on the teaser and missed the tackle.
 
Porky said:
I would have kept Cashman personally, but not the end of the world. A healthy Harris would help, but we can’t count on him. Bring him back yes. But sign or draft a speedy LB who can cover and let the, fight it out. When Harris gets a hangnail…you have an answer.

I personally would have kept Grenard. Cheaper, younger, and he is just as good as Hunter.
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Younger cheaper yes, not better.

He can get after the quarterback but overall skill set is less than Hunter.
 
beerlover said:
The one offensive linemen who can pull sat on the bench, Juice Scruggs. The one who can’t pull, Shaq Mason played the whole game. Unless Juice was truly injured and unable to go, should of been no brainer to start him over Mason.
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Things like this pull me toward the side of "It's mostly on the staff. They don't see what should be obvious to them". Absolutely bring in more talent and this "Tunsil is so damn good" line is BS but with this bunch sure, he's the best they have. Still think he's a lazy fat f*** who can't be bothered to stop killing drives with his brain dead penalties but sure. Why not. In a world where Mason plays that whole game and nobody else on the line can even do their job Tunsil gets a pass.
 
Hervoyel said:
Things like this pull me toward the side of "It's mostly on the staff. They don't see what should be obvious to them".
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Is it staff, or upper management?
Hervoyel said:
Absolutely bring in more talent and this "Tunsil is so damn good" line is BS but with this bunch sure, he's the best they have. Still think he's a lazy fat f*** who can't be bothered to stop killing drives with his brain dead penalties but sure. Why not.
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It’s maddening to all.
Hervoyel said:
In a world where Mason plays that whole game and nobody else on the line can even do their job Tunsil gets a pass.
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The unknown soldier, Peterson did his job. Howard did his job, reason why Chris Jones kicked outside, splitting Fisher from Mason. Problem is teams game plan against this line dissecting components weak points. Continuity (which is why taking Scruggs out who was gelling with Fisher) was so hurtful & inexplicable. Tunsil is a mercenary, out to set the Tackle market ceiling, which inhibits salary flexibility and upgrading talent around him. Catch 22, but it’s obvious this trend setter is doing more harm than good.

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I posted on an NFL site on Facebook that I had lost respect for Mahomes, and so do many others. I mentioned that he needs to stop manipulating the refs and playing coy to draw fouls and that this needs to be corrected in the offseason. These are not exact words, but the gist of it.

Quite a few likes, but one very interesting like from one guy named Isiah Pacheco. To make sure it was THE Isiah Pacheco, I clicked his name, and yes it's him. The guy that lines up in the backfield behind Mahomes liked my post criticizing the way Mahomes is manipulating refs and drawing flags. Hmmmmm. I don't know what to make of that, but that's the second NFL player to like a post of mine this week. Sting liked a post of mine early this week regarding trying to get Garrett Wilson here.
 
gwallaia said:
www.espn.com

Amid Mahomes angst, NFL eyes replay on slides

NFL replay assist is expected to expand this offseason into plays that could include the quarterback slide, sources told ESPN.
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Looks like the rules committee may be looking into the QB slide. If any sensible change is made it should be known as the “Mahomes Rule”
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I'm pretty sure we'll like it as much as the tuck rule.

In addition to roughing the passer there will be a 5 yard penalty & automatic 1st down for looking at Mahomes sideways.
 
leebigeztx said:
Nah, he blew that td play and that simple roll out. What about the 3rd down vs the Lions and St Brown? He's never been good in coverage. On that 50yd play to Kelce, he bit on the teaser and missed the tackle.
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1, Kelce has made better LB’s do the same thing. 2, Who on our roster at LB is covering either of these guys in space? That’s a hard bargain you’re driving there.

He’s not great in coverage, but where talking about him covering a 1st ballot HOFer and a 2 time all pro WR in space.
 
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