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Texans 2015 Salary Cap Outlook -- OverTheCap.com

Marshall said:
In other words - financial flexibility. The ability to make choices, whether choose to or not.

Mortgaging your future is having all contracts pushed ahead, not just those with the highest likelihood of being payed out. Getting over the minimum cash payout with roster bonuses which can later be converted as needed to signing bonuses maintains flexibility.

Both pushing everything forward and unnecessarily limiting flexibility are forms of cap hell. The former restricts participation in FA and the latter leads to outlandish contracts in attempts to meet league minimums.

It's being done well and I know that doesn't sit well with those who want to sink the survivors just to say it's all new.
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Some folks like to max out their credit cards and pay the minimum monthly payment and interest, some folks don't, some want to pay the balance due every month. I know who has more available credit and a better credit rating.
 
Texian said:
Some folks like to max out their credit cards and pay the minimum monthly payment and interest, some folks don't, some want to pay the balance due every month. I know who has more available credit and a better credit rating.
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We aren't talking a single credit card, we're talking juggling 53+ of them. And unlike with credit cards that don't care about the end result (buying a TV, wooing a woman, etc.) they are used for - there is a goal to an NFL team and it doesn't care if the balance is 0 or max when achieved.
 
infantrycak said:
We aren't talking a single credit card, we're talking juggling 53+ of them. And unlike with credit cards that don't care about the end result (buying a TV, wooing a woman, etc.) they are used for - there is a goal to an NFL team and it doesn't care if the balance is 0 or max when achieved.
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I think you've already illustrated all to well that math and finance is not your strongest suit, it would be better for you just to sit this one out. Unless of course you want to end up with more egg (wash) on your face.
 
Texian said:
I think you've already illustrated all to well that math and finance is not your strongest suit, it would be better for you just to sit this one out. Unless of course you want to end up with more egg (wash) on your face.
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Neither I nor anyone else knows what you're talking about with this math thing you're now trotting out as your new repeat it often enough and it becomes true attempted beatdown of me.

Try responding to the post instead of talking about me or just don't respond at all.
 
Explaining the NFL’s Rookie Salary Cap
What is the “Rookie Pool”?

In the old CBA the NFL had a cap on how many cap dollars could be spent on rookies. This was called the “Entering Player Pool” and was generally considered the “Rookie Pool” or “Rookie Salary Cap”. The league allowed a player’s cap hit to rise by 25% of his first years cap charge which in theory would keep rookie salaries in check. However, in practice it was not the case as teams and agents used all types of neat little cap mechanisms to render the 25% rule invalid, especially for highly drafted players. This was a major renegotiating point in the 2011 CBA.

Per the current CBA, each NFL team is allotted a maximum amount of dollars to spend on their draft picks not only in year 1 cap charges, but also in total value. Those loopholes that existed in the prior CBA were all eliminated and...

How does the “Rookie Pool” Impact the Salary Cap

This is probably the most confusing aspect for most people. Some people think that this is additional money added on top of the salary cap which is not the case at all. The “Rookie Pool” is a cap within...

Do Rookies Immediately Count Against the Cap

No 99.9% of the time a drafted rookie will not count against the salary cap. The only time a drafted rookie will count against the cap is if...

So What Teams Need To Create Space for Rookies?

I’ll do the quick and dirty calculation here to get an idea of how much effective cap space is required for a rookie class. Please note that these numbers may be slightly off due to the changes tonight in draft order, which I attempted to account for but I may have made a possible mistake.

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Team	No. Picks	Rookie Pool	Effective Cap Cost
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[B][COLOR="Navy"]Texans	   10	        $6,309,174	$1,959,174[/COLOR][/B]
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Based on the above I would say three teams will likely need to think about tweaking their rosters over the next few months. Based on our current cap estimates the Cowboys and the Chiefs would both have under $250,000 in remaining cap room after signing rookies, which is a pretty tight number to work with. New Orleans would be about $2.8 million over the salary cap once rookies are signed so clearly there is work that needs to be done before July when they will begin to sign their top draft choices...
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paycheck71 said:
Your math might be right; I didn't double check it. It at least makes sense. But in the Texans situation, they just created $8MM of cap space by changing the accounting of the money that will be spent and will hit the cap no matter what. They could roll the entire amount into the next year if they don't spend it this year, and it wouldn't affect their average spending percentages.
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And both figure are over cash and cap minimum payout commitments. Over the minimum with wiggle room going forward. Brilliant.
 
Texian said:
I think you've already illustrated all to well that math and finance is not your strongest suit, it would be better for you just to sit this one out. Unless of course you want to end up with more egg (wash) on your face.
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I know you don't think like normal folk... & that's cool. But you really think you've won an argument around here? Egg on face? I don't think so.
 
EllisUnit said:
Damn Texian went down to 0 Rep....

Rightfully so i suppose.
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I notice the option to give him rep is gone altogether. I've seen this happen a couple of other times, their rep power goes to 0 and then their profile disappears. So maybe he is deleting his account? Who knows...
 
Texian said:
More research is required....
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Texian, you are posting like a special teams player throwing blocks in the back on the field with impunity. C'mom man you are much better than this. You are very insightful in your analysis most often. Thunderkyss makes a rather good point in his post. He doesn't require a PhD in Cap Management from Texian University to understand. He already understands the principles - no additional research required on his part. Both the Patriots and Seahawks are in cap hell so-to-speak. Brady signed a flexible contract that allows the Pats to restructure if needed. The Patriots used that flexibility to their advantage. Texans processed a similar transaction with Watt's contract. The Seahawks don't have the cap space to sign Wilson and keep everyone else unless he signs a team friendly contact. The Ravens were forced to trade Ngata in order to free up $8.5M in cap space. That Flacco contract placed a tremendous amount of stress on the Ravens cap. The Texans approach the cap is just like the other teams. The biggest improvement that the Texans need to make isn't in cap management; it is at the QB situation. Please get back to posting solidly like you are cable of with no more helmet-to-helmet hits on Infantrycak.
 
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badboy said:
So top 51 players cap + apprx $2 m draft subtracted from the NFL cap minus dead $ = usable cap space?

That is the way I used to figure but I was told I was wrong. Dang.

Per Spotrack top 51= $125 m. Draft allowance $2 m Dead $10.6

If have it correct: $143 (NFL CAP)-top 51 $125 m - $2 m (draft allowance per explanation) - dead $10. 6 = $5.4 million cap left to spend as of now.
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Pretty close. To get into the weeds I have it at ~$8.1m on Top 51. This does not include the ~$80,000 to be used on signing bonus with UDFA's.
 
Troy Chapman said:
Pretty close. To get into the weeds I have it at ~$8.1m on Top 51. This does not include the ~$80,000 to be used on signing bonus with UDFA's.
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your figure is what I had before the OTC explanation. I thought after signing Dent we were almost tapped out and therefor did the Watt thing. The cap savings from that was what I thought we had to now use. apprx $8 m. One player of KJ level or two of Wilfork. Just don't see who they could be looking at.
 
badboy said:
your figure is what I had before the OTC explanation. I thought after signing Dent we were almost tapped out and therefor did the Watt thing. The cap savings from that was what I thought we had to now use. apprx $8 m. One player of KJ level or two of Wilfork. Just don't see who they could be looking at.
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They may be looking at a trade, or waiting until Philadelphia cuts Mathis. At the very least they have given themselves flexibility to add a real nice piece or two. They may wait until after the draft. There is still going to be some real good players cut between now and next TC
 
JB said:
They may be looking at a trade, or waiting until Philadelphia cuts Mathis. At the very least they have given themselves flexibility to add a real nice piece or two. They may wait until after the draft. There is still going to be some real good players cut between now and next TC
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As I've posted before, I believe Mathis would be a heck of an addition. But there may be a problem in that he has already gone on record as sayding that he has been underpaid. Last year, he was paid over $6 mil.
 
Plus, they may be considering using some of the cap to extend Brooks' contract. It would be nice to get this taken care of early, before he enters free agency.
 
Number19 said:
Plus, they may be considering using some of the cap to extend Brooks' contract. It would be nice to get this taken care of early, before he enters free agency.
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I wouldn't sign anyone to early, more expensive contracts except stars. Why pay $4 mil now for what you can get for $1.7 mil and in the process risk injury/dead money?

On stars you are often doing it to lower their cap hit from the ballooned up last year or 2 of prior contracts.
 
infantrycak said:
I wouldn't sign anyone to early, more expensive contracts except stars. Why pay $4 mil now for what you can get for $1.7 mil and in the process risk injury/dead money?..
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For continuity. Our OL is set this year with Brown, Su'a-Filo, Jones, Brooks and Newton. Next year, Jones and Brooks will be FA's. For certain with Brooks, you don't want to risk him hitting free agency and losing him to another team. I'm not sure about the Texans position on Jones, but I expect it is wait-and-see, since he's not proven himself at OC. So rather than risk going into the 2016 draft with two holes on the offensive line, if you can, you lock Brooks in early.
 
Number19 said:
For continuity. Our OL is set this year with Brown, Su'a-Filo, Jones, Brooks and Newton.
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I think this is highly questionable. X is new, Jones moving to a new position and he wasn't very good at his old one
 
Yeah, I don't consider this line set as-it-is. I think there's work to be done at LG and OC.

It would be great of Sua-Filo can step up and take over for Jones at LG but the thing is, I wouldn't be particularly happy if we just leave Jones at LG. We need to upgrade that spot and I'm not positive that Sua-Filo is an upgrade or that he's not a downgrade.

And I'm definitely not convinced that Jones can step into the OC spot. I was hoping that we were going to pick up another free agent OC to take over for Myers, someone more in line with what OB wants. I was hoping that was Wisniewski until CnD did his whole "ray-of-sunshine" thing.

So at this point, I'm concerned about the middle of our OL.
 
Number19 said:
For continuity. Our OL is set this year with Brown, Su'a-Filo, Jones, Brooks and Newton. Next year, Jones and Brooks will be FA's. For certain with Brooks, you don't want to risk him hitting free agency and losing him to another team. I'm not sure about the Texans position on Jones, but I expect it is wait-and-see, since he's not proven himself at OC. So rather than risk going into the 2016 draft with two holes on the offensive line, if you can, you lock Brooks in early.
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We just successfully maintained continuity and re-signed Newton (and KJ) in between the end of the season and beginning of free agency. No reason to do otherwise with Brooks. It's very expensive and high risk in return for questionable extra continuity.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Yeah, I don't consider this line set as-it-is. I think there's work to be done at LG and OC.

It would be great of Sua-Filo can step up and take over for Jones at LG but the thing is, I wouldn't be particularly happy if we just leave Jones at LG. We need to upgrade that spot and I'm not positive that Sua-Filo is an upgrade or that he's not a downgrade.

And I'm definitely not convinced that Jones can step into the OC spot. I was hoping that we were going to pick up another free agent OC to take over for Myers, someone more in line with what OB wants. I was hoping that was Wisniewski until CnD did his whole "ray-of-sunshine" thing.

So at this point, I'm concerned about the middle of our OL.
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So at this point in FA do you think OB just hasn't gotten to the OL yet or that he has no clue as it pertains to OL personnel?
 
thunderkyss said:
So at this point in FA do you think OB just hasn't gotten to the OL yet or that he has no clue as it pertains to OL personnel?
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I'd like to think O'Brien isn't done yet.

Can't truthfully say he hasn't gotten around to the OL yet since two of our early moves were to cut Myers and re-sign Newton; three moves if you count swapping out our O-line assistant coach.

And I'm not going to dis O'Brien to the point where I'll say he has no clue about the O-line. Apparently Pasqualoni was more in line with his offensive philosophy than Dunn. So he must have some idea what he wants from his O-line.

So I'm going with he's not finished yet.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
It would be great of Sua-Filo can step up...
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Duane Brown is pretty high on XSF. When asked, he just kinda shakes his head in a "wow" expression. Reports are X stayed here and has been working his butt off. O'Brien: "Working in the weight room, doing really well. He wants to be good. Really like his demeanor, really like where he is right now."
 
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Duane Brown is pretty high on XSF. When asked, he just kinda shakes his head in a "wow" expression. Reports are X stayed here and has been working his butt off. O'Brien: "Working in the weight room, doing really well. He wants to be good. Really like his demeanor, really like where he is right now."
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Good to hear
 
badboy said:
So top 51 players cap + apprx $2 m draft subtracted from the NFL cap minus dead $ = usable cap space?

That is the way I used to figure but I was told I was wrong. Dang.

Per Spotrack top 51= $125 m. Draft allowance $2 m Dead $10.6

If have it correct: $143 (NFL CAP)-top 51 $125 m - $2 m (draft allowance per explanation) - dead $10. 6 = $5.4 million cap left to spend as of now.
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The problem with quick and dirty is the dirty. When you adjust the amount in one column for ease and then forget that you adjusted it when adding or subtracting it to or from another, you get misinformation or garbage in.

If you adjust the draft allowance by deducting replaced player salaries and forget to make that same adjustment into account in the top 51 column, you get problems. Same with other columns. Keep up with the adjustments and make sure they are incorporated in all columns added/subtracted.

This is what you pay your accountant to do.
 
Marshall said:
The problem with quick and dirty is the dirty. When you adjust the amount in one column for ease and then forget that you adjusted it when adding or subtracting it to or from another, you get misinformation or garbage in.

If you adjust the draft allowance by deducting replaced player salaries and forget to make that same adjustment into account in the top 51 column, you get problems. Same with other columns. Keep up with the adjustments and make sure they are incorporated in all columns added/subtracted.

This is what you pay your accountant to do.
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I wished I had to have an accountant LOL
 
Unless we sign a veteran FA, or we draft someone at #16, we don't currently have anyone on the roster who will displace the five I named, as starters. And given that OB does not like to start rookies, it's unlikely that anyone drafted in the 3rd round or lower will be starting. The two most serious holes we have are at WR and SOLB and there is a reasonable probability that these will be our first two selections.
 
Number19 said:
Unless we sign a veteran FA, or we draft someone at #16, we don't currently have anyone on the roster who will displace the five I named, as starters. And given that OB does not like to start rookies, it's unlikely that anyone drafted in the 3rd round or lower will be starting. The two most serious holes we have are at WR and SOLB and there is a reasonable probability that these will be our first two selections.
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Not arguing just discussing your post. Firstly we might not need to displace any of the OL. We have not seen much of Jones at center & that was his spot in college and now he can concentrate on it. He will not have to call lays lke Myers did so another plus for him. Maybe i am just optimistic.

Second while I do agree WR is a ? and I have Strong at #16; I could see WR in second round to pair with Nu and maybe it could be a slot lke Lippett or Tre McBride. Short 3/Lippett/Hopkins could be very strong.

Thirdly I disagree that OLB is a serious hole. I think Simon & Tarpinian can do enough to hold the spot until Clowney returns. I don't have an OLB until 7th.
 
Number19 said:
Unless we sign a veteran FA, or we draft someone at #16, we don't currently have anyone on the roster who will displace the five I named, as starters. And given that OB does not like to start rookies, it's unlikely that anyone drafted in the 3rd round or lower will be starting. The two most serious holes we have are at WR and SOLB and there is a reasonable probability that these will be our first two selections.
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If we don't draft a wr or solb, and don't sign a veteran fa, we are set at those positions too

:vincepalm:
 
thunderkyss said:
So at this point in FA do you think OB just hasn't gotten to the OL yet or that he has no clue as it pertains to OL personnel?
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How are those the only two options?

Do you think everyone's taking a vacation now, sitting on the beach on Grand Cayman drinking mojitos?

At this point, I think there are a ton of negotiations still going on, a lot of work still being done. I don't think they're done and they might not be finished until the beginning of training camp... or even later, although I'd like for it to get resolved sooner rather than later.

It may be that OB and his coaches have a totally different estimation of who they want to be where than I do. I mean, let's get serious, I'm just some guy who hasn't seen any of these guys in practice and wouldn't know what I was looking at even if I did. So I could be wrong and I'm aware of that.

I just haven't seen anything from X to get me excited and I definitely am not excited at having Jones at OC. But that's just me looking in from the outside. I'm expecting more moves.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
How are those the only two options?

Do you think everyone's taking a vacation now, sitting on the beach on Grand Cayman drinking mojitos?

At this point, I think there are a ton of negotiations still going on, a lot of work still being done. I don't think they're done and they might not be finished until the beginning of training camp... or even later, although I'd like for it to get resolved sooner rather than later.

It may be that OB and his coaches have a totally different estimation of who they want to be where than I do. I mean, let's get serious, I'm just some guy who hasn't seen any of these guys in practice and wouldn't know what I was looking at even if I did. So I could be wrong and I'm aware of that.

I just haven't seen anything from X to get me excited and I definitely am not excited at having Jones at OC. But that's just me looking in from the outside. I'm expecting more moves.
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^^^ my thoughts almost exactly... especially the Jones part. I have no confidence in him at all
 
badboy said:
Not arguing just discussing your post. Firstly we might not need to displace any of the OL. We have not seen much of Jones at center & that was his spot in college and now he can concentrate on it. He will not have to call lays lke Myers did so another plus for him. Maybe i am just optimistic.

Second while I do agree WR is a ? and I have Strong at #16; I could see WR in second round to pair with Nu and maybe it could be a slot lke Lippett or Tre McBride. Short 3/Lippett/Hopkins could be very strong.

Thirdly I disagree that OLB is a serious hole. I think Simon & Tarpinian can do enough to hold the spot until Clowney returns. I don't have an OLB until 7th.
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I'm in agreement pretty much with all your points. And I like seeing another who recognizes that, in OB's offense, it is the QB who calls the blocking assignments for the OL.

And I have Strong penciled in at #16, but I can understand the Texans going OLB with that pick. The staff paid particular attention to the slot position in past weeks and one of several should be available at #51, allowing the team to select OLB at #16.

This is the first mention where I've seen Tarp positioned at OLB. I agree that as things stand right now, Simon is our starting SOLB, but everything that I've read seems to indicate they would like to address this position with a high pick. Also, I think the staff is leaning toward moving Mercilus to SOLB if Clowney is good to go on the opposite side. This move is the joker in the deck.
 
JB said:
If we don't draft a wr or solb, and don't sign a veteran fa, we are set at those positions too

:vincepalm:
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I think the current available cap space number is somewhere in the $5M range. I think it reasonable to assume SOLB may be a position likely to be addressed. Wisniewski has been crossed off my list because of his injury questions, but there are other OC's available and it is also likely we could sign one. Two moves like this could really give us more flexibility in the draft.
 
Number19 said:
For continuity. Our OL is set this year with Brown, Su'a-Filo, Jones, Brooks and Newton. Next year, Jones and Brooks will be FA's. For certain with Brooks, you don't want to risk him hitting free agency and losing him to another team. I'm not sure about the Texans position on Jones, but I expect it is wait-and-see, since he's not proven himself at OC. So rather than risk going into the 2016 draft with two holes on the offensive line, if you can, you lock Brooks in early.
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LT Duane Brown (2018+); Jeff Adams (2015); Will Yateman (2015);
David Quessenberry (2016)
LG Xavier Su'a-Filo (2017); Ben Jones (2015)
C Ben Jones (2015); James Ferentz (2016)
RG Brandon Brooks (2015); Xavier Su'a-Filo (2017)
RT Derek Newton (2018+); Tyson Clabo (2015); Bryan Witzmann (2016); Matt Feiler (2016);
Tevita Finau (2016).

Just adjusting to my depth chart format. Not really a comment.
 
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Marshall said:
LT Duane Brown (2018+); Jeff Adams (2015); Will Yateman (2015);
David Quessenberry (2016)
LG Xavier Su'a-Filo (2017); Ben Jones (2015)
C Ben Jones (2015); James Ferentz (2016)
RG Brandon Brooks (2015); Xavier Su'a-Filo (2017)
RT Derek Newton (2018+); Tyson Clabo (2015); Bryan Witzmann (2016); Matt Feiler (2016);
Tevita Finau (2016).

Just adjusting to my depth chart format. Not really a comment.
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Finau is a defensive tackle.
 
infantrycak said:
And typically our swing tackle is first backup to both OT spots.
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Right now, as things stand, Will Yeatman, a 4 year veteran coming off the IR, is probably in line to replace Clabo as our primary backup. Adams, Feiler and Witzmann all have limited experience and will have to prove themselves in camp to win a spot on the final roster. We should sign a veteran FA, as well as draft a prospect, to strengthen this position.
 
Number19 said:
Right now, as things stand, Will Yeatman, a 4 year veteran coming off the IR, is probably in line to replace Clabo as our primary backup.
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What?

First it assumes Clabo is gone and right now he isn't.

Second Yeatman is a 268 lb TE. He's an emergency OT at best not a primary backup.
 
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