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Texans 2015 Salary Cap Outlook -- OverTheCap.com

infantrycak said:
Well yeah something is up. They didn't "need" to get back into a comfortable position if they had used signing bonuses instead of roster bonuses for all the contracts they've done this off-season. Not saying to sign someone else but this is bizarre.
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It's strategic brilliance.
 
We,ve gone from not being able to make a mid range move to being able to. That does not mean we have decided to make a move. If we don't use the cap space left moves to 2016, so it's a no lose scenario.
 
Texian said:
Texian and Bob McNair! In Bob's own words;
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yep this is an example where you can move money to future and not wreck your finances. Now let's see what they do with the money. No one has yet answered someone else's question about how much unused cap can be rolled into next year. I still don't think they did this without having a fish or two at least nibbling if not hooked.
 
badboy said:
yep this is an example where you can move money to future and not wreck your finances. Now let's see what they do with the money. No one has yet answered someone else's question about how much unused cap can be rolled into next year. I still don't think they did this without having a fish or two at least nibbling if not hooked.
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There is no limit to how much of unused cap space can be rolled over to the next year.
 
I see us Purging all the Kubes era players in the Future just to get the cap stable

I thought we would do it all at once but I guess there going with the slow pace plan
 
Troy Chapman said:
There is no limit to how much of unused cap space can be rolled over to the next year.
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There is a limit but it's based on the formula of how much a team MUST spend. I'm not sure of the formula and right now feeling to lazy to look it up. I think it's based on an aggregate amount over so many years and a team can roll over the applicable amount over the minimum spending limits.
 
Norg said:
I see us Purging all the Kubes era players in the Future just to get the cap stable

I thought we would do it all at once but I guess there going with the slow pace plan
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Taking out the trash and all the garbage in one year is the best way to go. However McNair felt last year WAS NOT a rebuilding year and a team capable of winning the Super Bowl. So they have resorted to a piece meal reconstruction.
 
Texian said:
Taking out the trash and all the garbage in one year is the best way to go. However McNair felt last year WAS NOT a rebuilding year and a team capable of winning the Super Bowl. So they have resorted to a piece meal reconstruction.
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hes just tryingto milk us the fans screw u Mcnair if I was running the team I would have done a full purge last year just to get it over with

from the top down personal and players and office staff and waterboy and facilities and GM LOL
 
Norg said:
if I was running the team I would have done a full purge last year just to get it over with

from the top down personal and players and office staff and waterboy and facilities and GM LOL
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That's exactly what the more successful franchises have done.
 
Texian said:
That's exactly what the more successful franchises have done.
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Surely Norg agreeing with you clues you into something right?

I like you, I really do. You're a thinker, not sheep. You've clearly shown the ability to come up with your own opinion.

This is lIke Kim Jong-un endorsing Obama for president. Something deep down inside has got to be screaming, "Stop!!!"

It's like Robert kraft saying you're on the right track.
 
thunderkyss said:
Surely Norg agreeing with you clues you into something right?

I like you, I really do. You're a thinker, not sheep. You've clearly shown the ability to come up with your own opinion.

This is lIke Kim Jong-un endorsing Obama for president. Something deep down inside has got to be screaming, "Stop!!!"

It's like Robert kraft saying you're on the right track.
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Ok, I might be wrong, but I interpreted Norg's post as sarcasm.
 
Norg said:
I see us Purging all the Kubes era players in the Future just to get the cap stable

I thought we would do it all at once but I guess there going with the slow pace plan
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The alternative would be them playing forever, so yeah, I pretty much agree.
 
infantrycak said:
IOTW you've got nothing.
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For starters there is the 2010 San Francisco 49ers, 2010 Seattle Seahawks, 2011 Denver Broncos, 2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2012 St. Louis Rams and the 2013 Jacksonville Jaguars.

There are more but you will have to figure that out on your own.
 
infantrycak said:
Name these successful franchises that have burned everything to the ground?
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Texian said:
For starters there is the 2010 San Francisco 49ers, 2010 Seattle Seahawks, 2011 Denver Broncos, 2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2012 St. Louis Rams and the 2013 Jacksonville Jaguars.

There are more but you will have to figure that out on your own.
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2012 Rams and 2013 Jags as representatives of successful franchises? LOL, yeah OK.

Harbaugh took over a Niners team which was considered too talented for the results and did not burn it to the ground at all. They had 2 starters different on O and 1 on D. You'd be hard pressed to come up with a worse example.
 
infantrycak said:
2012 Rams and 2013 Jags as representatives of successful franchises? LOL, yeah OK.

Harbaugh took over a Niners team which was considered too talented for the results and did not burn it to the ground at all. They had 2 starters different on O and 1 on D. You'd be hard pressed to come up with a worse example.
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The 2014 Yeah Butts and yeah but, yeah but, yeah but
 
Texian said:
For starters there is the 2010 San Francisco 49ers, 2010 Seattle Seahawks, 2011 Denver Broncos, 2012 Indianapolis Colts, 2012 St. Louis Rams and the 2013 Jacksonville Jaguars.
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Not one of those teams did what Norg suggested. Not one.
 
Texian said:
There is a limit but it's based on the formula of how much a team MUST spend. I'm not sure of the formula and right now feeling to lazy to look it up. I think it's based on an aggregate amount over so many years and a team can roll over the applicable amount over the minimum spending limits.
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Troy Chapman is correct. There is no limit to the carry over $$ into the next year.........the spending % though in the following year will need to be adjusted accordingly.

The salary cap has been set at $143.28 million for the 2015 regular season. According to the 2011 labor agreement, the NFL and individual clubs must guarantee a minimum level of cash spending during two four-year cycles: 2013-16, and 2017-20.

The league guarantees that 95 percent of the cumulative salary caps will be spent, and each club guarantees 89 percent of the cumulative salary caps for those four years will be spent.

In addition, several teams are carrying over plenty of money they did not spend in 2014, giving them higher adjusted salary cap numbers.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Troy Chapman is correct. There is no limit to the carry over $$ into the next year.........the spending % though in the following year will need to be adjusted accordingly.

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If the league guarantees that 95% of the salary cap will be spent and teams guarantee that 89% of the salary cap will be spent over a 4 year average then a team on average can only carry over 11% on average over the same 4 year average. If it is more than 11% one year then it will have to be less than 11% for one year during that four period. In essence over a four year period a team is limited to a rollover average of 11% of the salary cap during that four period. Even if a team only spent $43.28 million on their 53 man roster they would not be able to rollover $100 million to the next year because that would prohibit the team from achieving 89% payroll for 4 years. Therefore there are some limits on how little a team can spend which translates on the limits they can rollover.
 
Texian said:
If the league guarantees that 95% of the salary cap will be spent and teams guarantee that 89% of the salary cap will be spent over a 4 year average then a team on average can only carry over 11% on average over the same 4 year average. If it is more than 11% one year then it will have to be less than 11% for one year during that four period. In essence over a four year period a team is limited to a rollover average of 11% of the salary cap during that four period. Even if a team only spent $43.28 million on their 53 man roster they would not be able to rollover $100 million to the next year because that would prohibit the team from achieving 89% payroll for 4 years. Therefore there are some limits on how little a team can spend which translates on the limits they can rollover.
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Your math might be right; I didn't double check it. It at least makes sense. But in the Texans situation, they just created $8MM of cap space by changing the accounting of the money that will be spent and will hit the cap no matter what. They could roll the entire amount into the next year if they don't spend it this year, and it wouldn't affect their average spending percentages.
 
paycheck71 said:
Your math might be right; I didn't double check it. It at least makes sense. But in the Texans situation, they just created $8MM of cap space by changing the accounting of the money that will be spent and will hit the cap no matter what. They could roll the entire amount into the next year if they don't spend it this year, and it wouldn't affect their average spending percentages.
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He's confusing a very simple answer that you gave correctly - there is no stated dollar or percentage limit on carryover.
 
paycheck71 said:
Your math might be right; I didn't double check it. It at least makes sense. But in the Texans situation, they just created $8MM of cap space by changing the accounting of the money that will be spent and will hit the cap no matter what. They could roll the entire amount into the next year if they don't spend it this year, and it wouldn't affect their average spending percentages.
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The Texans created $8M in 2015 cap space by borrowing $2M from 2016, $2M from 2017, $2M from 2018 and $2M in 2019. In essence, the Texans 2015 salary cap has gone from $145,464,146 to $153,464,146.
 
Texian said:
Taking out the trash and all the garbage in one year is the best way to go. However McNair felt last year WAS NOT a rebuilding year and a team capable of winning the Super Bowl. So they have resorted to a piece meal reconstruction.
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Norg said:
hes just tryingto milk us the fans screw u Mcnair if I was running the team I would have done a full purge last year just to get it over with

from the top down personal and players and office staff and waterboy and facilities and GM LOL
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Texian and Norg seeing eye to eye... who'd a thunk it :rolleyes:
 
infantrycak said:
Name these successful franchises that have burned everything to the ground?
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heck just recently

COLTS

CHeifs

philly

Carolina

and

seahawks

all to a extent these were the playoff teams chiefs n colts are almost done rebuilding philly n Carolina are right behind them bye 1 year

Texans are now it year 2 phase

Jags are in year 3 same with titans

but IDK at the end of the day it comes down to luck I guess since we swept the jags last year and titans but who know maybe they we sweep us this year u never know

im just talking out personal and PLayer turnover %
 
Norg said:
heck just recently

COLTS

CHeifs

philly

Carolina

and

seahawks

all to a extent these were the playoff teams chiefs n colts are almost done rebuilding philly n Carolina are right behind them bye 1 year

Texans are now it year 2 phase

Jags are in year 3 same with titans
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Again no. None of those teams wiped any slate clean. They all did it pretty much the way the Texans did except for firing the GM... maybe (like the Chiefs didn't fire their GM year one) & the Colts didn't ditch Reggie Wayne until this off season.

They all managed their rosters pretty much the way we are managing ours.
 
thunderkyss said:
Again no. None of those teams wiped any slate clean. They all did it pretty much the way the Texans did except for firing the GM... maybe (like the Chiefs didn't fire their GM year one) & the Colts didn't ditch Reggie Wayne until this off season.

They all managed their rosters pretty much the way we are managing ours.
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More research is required....
 
thunderkyss said:
Again no. None of those teams wiped any slate clean. They all did it pretty much the way the Texans did except for firing the GM... maybe (like the Chiefs didn't fire their GM year one) & the Colts didn't ditch Reggie Wayne until this off season.

They all managed their rosters pretty much the way we are managing ours.
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no the colts n jags player turnover was muchhhhh higher then the Texans ur wrong
 
but who cares really about player turnover its all about putting the best 53 man roster on the field each and every year so yeah
 
infantrycak said:
And you want to be the Jags?
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no im just saying they got a lot of young players does not mean they will pan out


sadly we know our current vets will prob never get it done

Brown Foster K mart posey

CUshing simon tuggle dent who ever is on rotation LOL Merclius NIX LOL J joe manning Swag


ANd andre n Myers both speak for themselves


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Norg said:
no the colts n jags player turnover was muchhhhh higher then the Texans ur wrong
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Much higher, but nothing like you suggest. Freeney was allowed to play out his contract. Reggie Wayne was still on the roster last season.....

You're talking about cutting Brian Cushing, which would cripple us with dead money & no one to take his place.

The Colts have never had the kind of cap issues we've had because they've usually had a bad ass QB. The old one took up most of their cap. The new one will once they get past the rookie contract.

We had the league's passing leader, receiving leader, rushing leader in back to back years & we paid those guys like they should get paid. We had one of the best young LBs in the league & paid him like it. A pro bowl center & a pro bowl LT were paid handsomely. Now that we've got Schaub, Andre, & Myer's contracts off the book, we're paying the best defensive player of our time like the best defensive player of our time.

We had a window, took a shot, but missed... horribly. Well, I still think we're a QB away from contention.
 
I figured we were done with big name free agents and it was going to be boring around here till draft time, then Watt gave us more cap space and now I am back to checking this site every hour thinking another big move is about to be made. Dang it, in a fun way
 
pirbroke said:
I figured we were done with big name free agents and it was going to be boring around here till draft time, then Watt gave us more cap space and now I am back to checking this site every hour thinking another big move is about to be made. Dang it, in a fun way
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I figured they had someone ready sign.
 
Texian said:
If the league guarantees that 95% of the salary cap will be spent and teams guarantee that 89% of the salary cap will be spent over a 4 year average then a team on average can only carry over 11% on average over the same 4 year average. If it is more than 11% one year then it will have to be less than 11% for one year during that four period. In essence over a four year period a team is limited to a rollover average of 11% of the salary cap during that four period. Even if a team only spent $43.28 million on their 53 man roster they would not be able to rollover $100 million to the next year because that would prohibit the team from achieving 89% payroll for 4 years. Therefore there are some limits on how little a team can spend which translates on the limits they can rollover.
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I am not sure how cap rollover plays a part in the cash spending 89% rule. The 89% cash spending, is 89% of the NFL salary cap...not the team adjusted cap which includes rollover.
 
Troy Chapman said:
I am not sure how cap rollover plays a part in the cash spending 89% rule. The 89% cash spending, is 89% of the NFL salary cap...not the team adjusted cap which includes rollover.
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I think what he is saying is that if a team got up against the last year of the average spending requirement period and had to spend X amount of money then they wouldn't be able to roll over any more than [adjusted cap - minimum required spending to get into compliance] which would leave some number as a hard figure for maximum carryover from that year.

It's a very if a buffalo is under a lemon tree on Tuesday scenario.
 
infantrycak said:
I think what he is saying is that if a team got up against the last year of the average spending requirement period and had to spend X amount of money then they wouldn't be able to roll over any more than [adjusted cap - minimum required spending to get into compliance] which would leave some number as a hard figure for maximum carryover from that year.

It's a very if a buffalo is under a lemon tree on Tuesday scenario.
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I understand what he is trying to say. I guess no sense in banging our heads against the wall on an unlikley situation. Cap spending and cash spending are two different animals. Houston is well beyond the 89% this year, even before signing the draft class.
 
Texian said:
Texian and Bob McNair! In Bob's own words;
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In other words - financial flexibility. The ability to make choices, whether choose to or not.

Mortgaging your future is having all contracts pushed ahead, not just those with the highest likelihood of being payed out. Getting over the minimum cash payout with roster bonuses which can later be converted as needed to signing bonuses maintains flexibility.

Both pushing everything forward and unnecessarily limiting flexibility are forms of cap hell. The former restricts participation in FA and the latter leads to outlandish contracts in attempts to meet league minimums.

It's being done well and I know that doesn't sit well with those who want to sink the survivors just to say it's all new.
 
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