That guy must not have watched any Texans games.
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That guy must not have watched any Texans games.
srrono
All Pro
I know he used to be fast
Lack of speed
Lack of wiggle
Lack of care
I dont know what it is but the explosive plays aren't there.
I know he had the 97 yr run.
Plus 20 yard runs 2018
Miller 6
Barkley 16
Elliot 11
Mixon 11
Gordon 9
Brenda 10
Chubb 11
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Bit more to a 20 yard run then just speed. I dont think most are arguing he lacks certain attributes. But he is fast.
Texas Jake
Rookie
It is hard to have long runs when you are getting hit in the backfield or there is no hole to run through.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
No argument here. I want a better line and I think dwat and Miller will both improve behind it.
We'll see.
He's blind as a bat. He definitely needs to be in a system where the hole is to be defined & run to it.
We haven't had that since BO'bs been here. Coaching just not there & after we lost Brooks, Ben Jones, & benched Mancz, we haven't had the talent either.
Texansballer74
The Marine
- The Texans are no doubt looking at way to improve their offensive line and this is even after flipping majority of the offensive line prior to the start of the 2018 season. The Texans know if they have to play a game tomorrow, they have their entire week one starting group from last season under contract. It appears the Texans are content on giving Martinas Rankin a chance to win over one of the guard spots when training camp arrives and there will be competition for right tackle position with the Texans looking for one or possibly two offensive tackles from the draft. The Texans are not ready to pull the plug on Julién Davenport and he will get a chance to win his spot once again during camp. One thing to be aware of is that the Texans are preparing to have a contingency plan in place if center Nick Martin does not step up his play this coming season. The former second round selection in Martin has played under the radar with some subpar games since he took over as starter. The Texans are waiting, for who they feel is one of their better lineman, to take the next step as an above average player. The Texans are formulating contingency plans just in case if it does not pan out this coming season, but Martin will be the starter at center for the third season in a row.
- It is no surprise that the Texans are looking at every top offensive tackle and cornerback coming out in the 2019 NFL Draft and rightfully so. The Texans have used both the Senior Bowl and NFL Combine to meet and get to know important positions groups of need for the roster. The Texans have met with offensive tackles Jawaan Taylor, Yodny Cajuste, David Edwards, Cody Ford, Tytus Howard, Andre Dillard and Dalton Risner. As for the cornerbacks, the Texans have met with Trayvon Mullen, Joejuan Williams, Julian Love, Greedy Williams, Byron Murphy, DeAndre Baker, Isaiah Johnson and Rock Ya-Sin. The Texans know how important these position groups are for the coming season and future, so landing the right players is a huge point of emphasis this off-season. No stone is being left unturned with the prospects, especially this draft class with deep talent at both position groups.
badboy
Hall of Fame
2nd round (see trade below)Trayvon Mullen moves Joseph to backup, Joe Juan Williams opposite and Love replaces Colvin. Darrell Henderson 3rd round alternating with Bell and Foreman. Bell, T Brown, Ju'Wuan James and CB Darby and maybe trade for AB 2020 2nd round. 5th round CB Donnie Lewis to play corner and safety. Not sure Badger returns. 6th round Clifton Duck backs up Love when Colvin cut next off season. 7th round OLB Maxx Crosby. Trade Clowney to Raiders for 1.27 and 2.35. Cody Ford at 1.23 and Jaylon Ferguson 1.27. Get Mullen with 2.35.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
2nd round (see trade below)Trayvon Mullen moves Joseph to backup, Joe Juan Williams opposite and Love replaces Colvin. Darrell Henderson 3rd round alternating with Bell and Foreman. Bell, T Brown, Ju'Wuan James and CB Darby and maybe trade for AB 2020 2nd round. 5th round CB Donnie Lewis to play corner and safety. Not sure Badger returns. 6th round Clifton Duck backs up Love when Colvin cut next off season. 7th round OLB Maxx Crosby. Trade Clowney to Raiders for 1.27 and 2.35. Cody Ford at 1.23 and Jaylon Ferguson 1.27. Get Mullen with 2.35.
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zshawn10
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Just an FYI:
Donovan Smith Bucs 3-year, $41.25 million deal:
$27M guaranteed
2019: $7M base salary (fully gtd), $5.5M roster bonus fifth day of league year $12.5M salary-cap figure
2020: $14.5M base salary (fully gtd) $14.5M salary-cap figure
2021: $14.25M base salary (not gtd)
Donovan Smith Bucs 3-year, $41.25 million deal:
$27M guaranteed
2019: $7M base salary (fully gtd), $5.5M roster bonus fifth day of league year $12.5M salary-cap figure
2020: $14.5M base salary (fully gtd) $14.5M salary-cap figure
2021: $14.25M base salary (not gtd)
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Want. Curious what the draft price would be?
Mangler
Toro de España
How old is he again? As long as it ain’t no 1st or 2nd rounder, I wouldn’t mind seeing Gaine going after him. At least he’s a proven guard, and probably better than any of the trash we trot out there to “protect” Watson.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
28 years old. I'd consider our 3rd and change (a 6 or 7) ,but it might take more
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
He just turned 29, and he will definitely not go for less than a 2nd..........with a contract take over that includes over $12 million.......which he may want to redo for more.
Taking on that contract I wouldn't do it for more than a 3rd. Giving the Browns cap relief and a top 90 pick should be enough. Dorsey isn't Sashi and Gaine isn't the former GM.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Only the base salaries transfer. He has no workout or roster bonuses so his salaries & cap hits for the next 3 seasons are $10, $10 & $12.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Age from wiki (my fault.) Money doesn't concern me to much (saw the 12 but didn't know he might want more.)
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Are you sure that the signing bonus is not prorated (part of the original contract guarantee numbers) and therefore the responsibility of the trade receiving team?
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Absolutely. The signing bonus was prorated and the remaining 3 years will be dead money on Cleveland's cap.
The team that pays the money is the team that has to book the money. That's how dead money arises, it's been paid but not put on the cap yet.
I’m not in favor of trading anymore damn picks! Just build through the draft and not so free (spend the Benjamins) free agency
I see where you're coming from
But an OL of Brown/Zietler/Martin/Fulton/Cajuste really appeals to me. Very costly but a vast improvement and after spending the last 2 yrs watching Watson getting the crap kicked out of him and all of the RB's (Not just Miller running into a brick wall) spending the draft capital and FA $$$$ to stop this immediately really appeals to me. Hell, if you do this then spend the 1st and two 2's on the CB/NT positions. They've got the $$$$.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I’m not in favor of trading anymore damn picks! Just build through the draft and not so free (spend the Benjamins) free agency
I understand your desire to horde picks for lotto tickets - but frankly, we've busted on so many 2's and 3's I'd be rather just go with the real deal.
Mangler
Toro de España
Gaine hit in pretty much every round. Rankin might be the only question mark, but that’s only because he was injured. Can’t really write him off as a wasted pick just yet. Now, Rick Smith...that’s a different story! The guy could f.uck up a cup of coffee!
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
It's a fair argument. I like gaine thus far. We'll see what he does.
Zeit is easily the best lineman on this line if we get him though. Couple him with a legit lt and we're in business.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Martin????
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Not Gaine
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Read a recent article on him that wasn't so glorifying? Me to.
srrono
All Pro
https://twitter.com/NFL_DougFarrar/status/1103871114923536385?s=19
Texans OT Julie'n Davenport allowed the most pressures (67) of any NFL OT in 2018, per @PFF. He also led all tackles in penalties with 16, and placed second in sacks allowed with 12. The only player with more sacks was Kolton Miller of the Raiders, a rookie coached by Tom Cable.
Texans OT Julie'n Davenport allowed the most pressures (67) of any NFL OT in 2018, per @PFF. He also led all tackles in penalties with 16, and placed second in sacks allowed with 12. The only player with more sacks was Kolton Miller of the Raiders, a rookie coached by Tom Cable.
Sounds like he's getting coached well
You could move Fulton to C (His best position) and play
Brown/Rankin/Fulton/Zietler (Where he played in Cleveland)/Draft pick or Henderson.
Yep,
If they could only coach him to move his feet faster.
God, I hope I never have to see his sorry ass protecting Watson's blindside. Funny thing is some people on here think he's going to improve in his 3rd yr. Their the same lets wait and see crowd that thought last yrs bunch of backups could become a good OL group.
Face it the talent isn't there and no amount of coaching is going to help Davenport. With that said, if you're saying Devlin needs to go I would wholeheartedly agree with you.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
2-3 year developmental player is what Lance Zierlein said in his prospect profile for NFL.com.
That's not to say he shouldn't be upgraded but players do get better in their 3rd year & specifically that was his projected path.
Good luck with this.
The OT that gave up more pressures than any OT in the NFL. Think about that for a minute, then ask yourself 1. How much better is he going to get with 1 more offseason, like that's the key to him learning how to move his feet faster. 2. Do you really want him protecting Watson's blindside again next season even if he makes an incremental improvement? (Which is doubtful)
You're right, Steel ! Early in this off-season, I was criticized for my robust, (and fairly relentless), campaign, to bring in bona fide talent for our offensive line. Watching Watson get killed time after time, brought back sad memories of David Carr. There were some folks on the board, who didn't appreciate my enthusiasm, so rather than wage war, I made a concerted effort to subdue my zeal. About an hour or so ago, I finished watching our next to last game of the regular season .... Eagles, Foles threw for 500 yds .... damn good game, but we lost in the final seconds. My takeaways .... Fact 1) .... Davenport and Rankin are not good enough to be starters on the left side .... Fact 2) .... Lamm is equally lacking in talent, and if Kelemete had been playing, I could've quite possibly included him. That is the way I saw it !
It was that way for most of the yr.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Just a thought.....Texans trade for Zeitler and he settles the LG or RG position. As for the LT position, Rankin was injured throughout the entire off-season which really put him behind the development curve. He was drafted to play LT. Could Rankin possibly be ready for another shot at LT with a full NFL season and a 2019 off-season under his belt? I would also expect the addition of Zietler could be a tremendous help to either Rankin or even Risner if the Texans decided to flip Fulton and Zeitler. This alludes to the fact that I would be falling back on my favorite two targets in the draft to make up the difference.
The OL would be given a complete makeover with several affordable seasons ahead of them.
Starters
LT- Rankin / LG- Zeitler / C- McCoy (R) / RG- Fulton / RT- Risner (R)
Or they could try:
LT- Rankin / LG- Fulton / C- McCoy (R) / RG- Zeitler / RT- Risner (R)
Backups
OT- Davenport and Henderson / OG- Kelemete and Mancz / C- Martin and Mancz
I'm fairly certain McCoy could beat Martin for the starting position if truly given a chance to compete and likewise, I think Risner could beat Henderson for the starting RT position.
Again, this OL wouldn't break the bank and could easily be maintained for the next 3-5 years. It could be beneficial when the Texans decide to give Watson his new contract.
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Curious as to why they want to trade him.
Probably Cap reasons.
They also cut Collins for that reason.
Do they have a bunch of young guys coming due for new contracts?
I like this, But Rankin isn't a LT, Neither is Davenport. Gotta spend the $$$$ or draft capital to find a LT. If they dont sign Brown, the best hope will be to trade up ahead of a teams like the Browns/Vikes and draft the best LT on the board. Hopefully Williams falls., but he ain't getting past Kubiak/Dennison so Gaine is going to have to trade up to get him. Luckily Gaine has the draft capital to make this move.