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State of the O-line

Texian said:
Just thinking out loud here but there has to be 3 to 4 OL players on other teams practice squad that Texans could sign that would be an immediate upgrade to the Texans OL???
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I was expecting the Texans to snag one when cuts were made.
 
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another presumption but maybe Brown like saying to RS wheres the OL help geeez i just may want to play for another team? imo i dont know
 
Texian said:
Just thinking out loud here but there has to be 3 to 4 OL players on other teams practice squad that Texans could sign that would be an immediate upgrade to the Texans OL???
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Smith and O'Brien knew about Savage's lack of mobility and penchant for holding the ball. To make him the starter and not bring in as much competition for the OL as possible, is a good enough reason to fire both of them.
 
Win is a win so i say the line did good today. Who needs that guy Duane?

I am worried about that guy Xavier Su-AFilo............. he does not look.......... WELL.
 
dwight pugoy said:
Win is a win so i say the line did good today. Who needs that guy Duane?

I am worried about that guy Xavier Su-AFilo............. he does not look.......... WELL.
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Brown lost a little leverage tonight with the Texans win not that I necessarily think it will change anything between him and the organization, actually both sides may become even more entrenched if that's possible.
 
IDEXAN said:
Brown lost a little leverage tonight with the Texans win not that I necessarily think it will change anything between him and the organization, actually both sides may become even more entrenched if that's possible.
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Didn't they have to run a 7 man OL much of the game? I think Brown gained a bit more leverage tonight
 
IDEXAN said:
Brown lost a little leverage tonight with the Texans win not that I necessarily think it will change anything between him and the organization, actually both sides may become even more entrenched if that's possible.
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I agree DB probably lost just a slight bit of leverage with tonight's win, but I feel like maybe he was intending to holdout to wk 4 regardless.

I would probably think he knows the team has zero chance of beating NE in Foxboro, with or without him playing.. so it would be a bad look for him to come back wk 3 and be part of that L.
 
All that cap space floating around and Brandon Brooks is earning $8m per average and looking great on the Eagles.

Ben Jones had a great season in Tenn too.

Prioritising Osweiler over these 2 resigning has set the franchise back a few years right there.

Could be looking at Mancz/Martin developing at LG and Davenport developing at RT with 3 quality starters in play to minimize their current weaknesses.

One positive is now that Watson has shown his running ability teams are going to have to respect that, it won us the game last night and will hopefully take a little pressure off from the front 7.

I also get the feeling Watson is going to be very good at punishing teams for bringing 8 in the box. He missed 1 opportunity in the 4th last night but that's one he'll learn from next time.

The game was ugly but there were some signs of hope, #4 grew into the game as the night wore on. Hopkins was winning his battle for the most part. Thought Foreman showed flashes which should move the game plan towards him being the workhorse and free Miller up to be that change of pace guy he's so much better as.
 
welsh texan said:
All that cap space floating around and Brandon Brooks is earning $8m per average and looking great on the Eagles.

Ben Jones had a great season in Tenn too.

Prioritising Osweiler over these 2 resigning has set the franchise back a few years right there.

Could be looking at Mancz/Martin developing at LG and Davenport developing at RT with 3 quality starters in play to minimize their current weaknesses.

One positive is now that Watson has shown his running ability teams are going to have to respect that, it won us the game last night and will hopefully take a little pressure off from the front 7.

I also get the feeling Watson is going to be very good at punishing teams for bringing 8 in the box. He missed 1 opportunity in the 4th last night but that's one he'll learn from next time.

The game was ugly but there were some signs of hope, #4 grew into the game as the night wore on. Hopkins was winning his battle for the most part. Thought Foreman showed flashes which should move the game plan towards him being the workhorse and free Miller up to be that change of pace guy he's so much better as.
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Osweiler was a disaster in so many ways.
 
welsh texan said:
All that cap space floating around and Brandon Brooks is earning $8m per average and looking great on the Eagles.

Ben Jones had a great season in Tenn too.

Prioritising Osweiler over these 2 resigning has set the franchise back a few years right there.

Could be looking at Mancz/Martin developing at LG and Davenport developing at RT with 3 quality starters in play to minimize their current weaknesses.

One positive is now that Watson has shown his running ability teams are going to have to respect that, it won us the game last night and will hopefully take a little pressure off from the front 7.

I also get the feeling Watson is going to be very good at punishing teams for bringing 8 in the box. He missed 1 opportunity in the 4th last night but that's one he'll learn from next time.

The game was ugly but there were some signs of hope, #4 grew into the game as the night wore on. Hopkins was winning his battle for the most part. Thought Foreman showed flashes which should move the game plan towards him being the workhorse and free Miller up to be that change of pace guy he's so much better as.
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Well ... They let guys walk this year or weren't aggressive because they were holding out for Romo . The image of Romo behind this OL is frightening .
 
JB said:
Didn't they have to run a 7 man OL much of the game? I think Brown gained a bit more leverage tonight
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JB you might be right. I dunno I think I could argue the pro or the con, make a valid argument either way.
Re the 7-man line, remember they had no TEs last night. Anyway with some TEs hopefully back for the next game and maybe also a wide receiver or two, they have 'bout 10 days to get ready.
 
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Honoring Earl 34 said:
Well ... They let guys walk this year or weren't aggressive because they were holding out for Romo . The image of Romo behind this OL is frightening .
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I wonder if you can snap collarbones you don't have. I mean, doesn't he just have toothpicks held together with screws at this point?
 
idymoe said:
I watched the game late last night, and it seemed like after most every play on offense, that either Clark or Filo, or both were on the ground.
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Yeah, I saw Clark getting rolled several times and XSF was just absolutely being manhandled by Geno Atkins! Gotta get DB back soon or the season will probably be lost. Just hope next year's draft class is stacked with good O-linemen!
 
Insideop said:
Yeah, I saw Clark getting rolled several times and XSF was just absolutely being manhandled by Geno Atkins! Gotta get DB back soon or the season will probably be lost. Just hope next year's draft class is stacked with good O-linemen!
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On the radio Ted Johnson killed the OL at camp . He said Lamm was a pig on ice and then I think the powers that be told him to tone it down .
 
JB said:
Didn't they have to run a 7 man OL much of the game? I think Brown gained a bit more leverage tonight
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Those 7 OL had to do with having no TEs. The 2 extra may have been OL, but were actually eligible receivers. Even with Brown they probably would have gone 7 because of no TEs on the roster, so I certainly don't see how that benefited Brown at all.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
On the radio Ted Johnson killed the OL at camp . He said Lamm was a pig on ice and then I think the powers that be told him to tone it down .
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One of the three stations I was switching between quoted some non radio person saying he thought Texans Oline look pretty good and another radio guy voiced in response to a caller saying it "wasn't the Xs and Os that team should be worried about but rather the 'Jimmys and Joes'. The caller explained this as no matter what coaches taught or game planned the players had to perform. His point was the terrible play vs Jags was all on players not coaches. Radio guy countered that 'Jimmys and Joes like Brown had to be playing for mess to be on coaches. Seemed to me to just be going around in circles so I turn off radio.
 
Speedy said:
Those 7 OL had to do with having no TEs. The 2 extra may have been OL, but were actually eligible receivers. Even with Brown they probably would have gone 7 because of no TEs on the roster, so I certainly don't see how that benefited Brown at all.
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They may have been eligible but we all know they weren't going to run any routes which any TE would have. They were in there strictly to block. We may have gone 7 with Brown there but Fuller certainly wouldn't have been used. Our lack of depth was exposed and that is what is what gave Brown a bit more leverage. Not much but it certainly helped his cause more than it did the Texans
 
badboy said:
One of the three stations I was switching between quoted some non radio person saying he thought Texans Oline look pretty good and another radio guy voiced in response to a caller saying it "wasn't the Xs and Os that team should be worried about but rather the 'Jimmys and Joes'. The caller explained this as no matter what coaches taught or game planned the players had to perform. His point was the terrible play vs Jags was all on players not coaches. Radio guy countered that 'Jimmys and Joes like Brown had to be playing for mess to be on coaches. Seemed to me to just be going around in circles so I turn off radio.
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Former 10-year NFL/Green Bay OT Greg Koch said on 790 radio this past week right after the opening game debacle vs Jacksonville that the lack of talent on the offensive line and resulting break down of the teams offense represented a total organizational failure by the Texans. He also went on to say that the problem goes well beyond the absense of Duane Brown.
 
IDEXAN said:
Former 10-year NFL/Green Bay OT Greg Koch said on 790 radio this past week right after the opening game debacle vs Jacksonville that the lack of talent on the offensive line and resulting break down of the teams offense represented a total organizational failure by the Texans. He also went on to say that the problem goes well beyond the absense of Duane Brown.
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I agree that the problem goes well beyond DB's absence but they need him back here asap to at least help part of the problem. A left side of Brown at LT and Allen/Mancz at LG is better than Clark/Lamm at LT and XSF at LG!
 
badboy said:
One of the three stations I was switching between quoted some non radio person saying he thought Texans Oline look pretty good and another radio guy voiced in response to a caller saying it "wasn't the Xs and Os that team should be worried about but rather the 'Jimmys and Joes'. The caller explained this as no matter what coaches taught or game planned the players had to perform. His point was the terrible play vs Jags was all on players not coaches. Radio guy countered that 'Jimmys and Joes like Brown had to be playing for mess to be on coaches. Seemed to me to just be going around in circles so I turn off radio.
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No different than if a pedal car is placed in contention with a Lamborghini on the track.................doesn't matter who the pedal car's pit crew is.......
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CloakNNNdagger said:
No different than if a pedal car is placed in contention with a Lamborghini on the track.................doesn't matter who the pedal car's pit crew is.......
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I still have a problem with this. X, Mancz, & Allen weren't as bad as what we saw vs Jville. I would think adding Martin while removing X or Allen would be an upgrade.

However, the powers that be decided to remove the better of the three, Mancz.

We can blame the Jimmies & the Joes all day long, but they're not the ones making these decisions. Just like continuing to run Miller up the middle instead of working on developing an edge game.

All off season, based on what we saw last season we should have been working on stretch plays, outside runs, pulling guards & screens. But it's obvious we weren't.

That's not a Jimmy & Joe problem.
 
Insideop said:
I agree that the problem goes well beyond DB's absence but they need him back here asap to at least help part of the problem. A left side of Brown at LT and Allen/Mancz at LG is better than Clark/Lamm at LT and XSF at LG!
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thunderkyss said:
I still have a problem with this. X, Mancz, & Allen weren't as bad as what we saw vs Jville. I would think adding Martin while removing X or Allen would be an upgrade.

However, the powers that be decided to remove the better of the three, Mancz.

We can blame the Jimmies & the Joes all day long, but they're not the ones making these decisions. Just like continuing to run Miller up the middle instead of working on developing an edge game.

All off season, based on what we saw last season we should have been working on stretch plays, outside runs, pulling guards & screens. But it's obvious we weren't.

That's not a Jimmy & Joe problem.
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When you have an OL that can't hold water for more than a couple seconds, the RBs don't have enough time to get to the outside.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
When you have an OL that can't hold water for more than a couple seconds, the RBs don't have enough time to get to the outside.
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Hard to say, but I'd like to see how long the OL could hold up if they started with X, Martin, & Mancz at OTAs.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Or have Allen compete with X at the position that got Houston to pay him. LG
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Either Allen or X... the point was Martin, Mancz & one of the other two to field the three best interior linemen.

O'Brien chose to sit Mancz for whatever reason.
 
Kyle Fuller made the 53 and is listed as an OC. How did he perform in TC? Would a middle of Martin, Fuller and Mancz be any worse than what we have seen to date?
 
Does anyone know if Lamm played at all in this last game? I saw Davenport and Fuller out there a few times but I don't remember seeing Lamm at all. I figured they would use him as the TE/Extra Lineman like they've done in the past but I only remember seeing Fuller there a few times and I think I saw Davenport playing RT on a few plays. Just curious and trying to get an idea of what BOB is trying to do. It's good to see them work Davenport and Fuller in to the games here and there to give them experience. They will probably need both of them playing a lot before the season is over.
 
Insideop said:
Does anyone know if Lamm played at all in this last game? I saw Davenport and Fuller out there a few times but I don't remember seeing Lamm at all. I figured they would use him as the TE/Extra Lineman like they've done in the past but I only remember seeing Fuller there a few times and I think I saw Davenport playing RT on a few plays. Just curious and trying to get an idea of what BOB is trying to do. It's good to see them work Davenport and Fuller in to the games here and there to give them experience. They will probably need both of them playing a lot before the season is over.
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Looks like Lamm was not playing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...7/9/15/16315704/texans-vs-bengals-snap-counts
 
76Texan said:
Looks like Lamm was not playing.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ba...7/9/15/16315704/texans-vs-bengals-snap-counts
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Wow, I didn't realize Davenport was in there for 30 snaps (45% of total snaps)! That's quite a bit. I saw him in there at RT a few times but I'm not sure if they used him as the TE/Extra Lineman like they did with Fuller. I guess they're going to speed up his development and let him play more now and hope he learns fast. Anyone know if he screwed up or did really well on his plays? How did he grade out?
 
Seattle calling about Duane Brown:

Duane Brown Situation

We mentioned on our podcast that the Houston Texans have been fielding phone calls checking on Duane Brownand his status. One of those teams trying to pry Brown away has been the Seattle Seahawks. They might eventually find a common ground, but the Texans want Brown to play in Houston.

They know their offensive line is not well-equipped, even more so with Brown out the picture. The Texans hold all the cards regarding his future in the NFL and this will continue to drag on as the season continues.
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http://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article...wn-Saga-the-Houston-Texans-Offensiv-107606172
 
Insideop said:
Wow, I didn't realize Davenport was in there for 30 snaps (45% of total snaps)! That's quite a bit. I saw him in there at RT a few times but I'm not sure if they used him as the TE/Extra Lineman like they did with Fuller. I guess they're going to speed up his development and let him play more now and hope he learns fast. Anyone know if he screwed up or did really well on his plays? How did he grade out?
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No idea, but I'm planning to look at it in the next few days.
 
If he comes in mid-season after the bye, will we get his best effort if he's unhappy here? Trade him.

What incident (speculatively) caused the breakup? Why doesn't he want to play in Houston?
 
Insideop said:
Wow, I didn't realize Davenport was in there for 30 snaps (45% of total snaps)! That's quite a bit. I saw him in there at RT a few times but I'm not sure if they used him as the TE/Extra Lineman like they did with Fuller. I guess they're going to speed up his development and let him play more now and hope he learns fast. Anyone know if he screwed up or did really well on his plays? How did he grade out?
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I think he played TE mostly .
 
amazing80 said:
Unload him! Bring in a player and a pick in return.
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I don't think a 32 year old holdout will bring in a lot . Besides what's the Texans biggest need ? I would say OL ... hmm ... what does Brown play ... hmm ... OL . This principle they stand on doesn't apply to their popular / HEB guys , it's only for the rest . I think Duane believes he's in the first category .
 
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zshawn10 said:
Seattle calling about Duane Brown:



http://scout.com/nfl/texans/Article...wn-Saga-the-Houston-Texans-Offensiv-107606172
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I'm not sure the Texans "hold all the cards" regarding Brown's future but I do think they need to make a decision on what they plan to do with him soon. I don't know how long the Texans are willing to wait on DB but if they wait too long to bring him back the season could be lost, and by that time he could lose his value to Seattle or other teams that may be interested in a trade for him. They need to agree to terms with DB or trade him while "the iron is hot!" Game 3 is fast approaching. How long will Seattle wait? What is their offer now versus later if they haven't changed their mind by then? Rick, Sh!t or get off the pot!!!!
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
I don't think a 32 year old holdout will bring in a lot . Besides what's the Texans biggest need ? I would say OL ... hmm ... what does Brown play ... hmm ... OL . This principle they stand on doesn't apply to their popular / HEB guys , it's only for the rest . I think Duane believes he's in the first category .
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LOL! HEB Guys, I like that! And you're probably right that DB believes he's in that group.
 
Man, if the Seahawks are that interested in obtaining DB, then I could see my recommendation on a few other post' being a reasonable option. I'd still ask for Pocic but I wouldn't be bashful in asking a 2018 RD2 as well....or settling for a RD3 at worse, which was my initial idea.

I think Pocic could be a starter this season. I'm thinking, LG- Martin, OC- Mancz, RG- Pocic could set the enterior of the OL for many seasons going forward. Might as well start Davenport at RT now and let him use this season for developmental purposes. Texans could then bundle a few picks and grab one of the better LT prospects in 2018.

Trading DB at this time may actually help expedite the rebuilding of this OL since the team doesn't currently possess any 2018 RD1 or RD2 picks. If Watson is going to have any chance at success, the Texans cannot roll through 2018 with this OL mess.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Man, if the Seahawks are that interested in obtaining DB, then I could see my recommendation on a few other post' being a reasonable option. I'd still ask for Pocic but I wouldn't be bashful in asking a 2018 RD2 as well....or settling for a RD3 at worse, which was my initial idea.

I think Pocic could be a starter this season. I'm thinking, LG- Martin, OC- Mancz, RG- Pocic could set the enterior of the OL for many seasons going forward. Might as well start Davenport at RT now and let him use this season for developmental purposes. Texans could then bundle a few picks and grab one of the better LT prospects in 2018.

Trading DB at this time may actually help expedite the rebuilding of this OL since the team doesn't currently possess any 2018 RD1 or RD2 picks. If Watson is going to have any chance at success, the Texans cannot roll through 2018 with this OL mess.
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So essentially, two 2nd rounders for a 32yo LT a year off major surgery, that only has one more year left in his contract. Someone who is obviously not happy with his current contract.

Why would Seattle do this?
 
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