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FuzzyLogic

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In other news - no Houston QB has ever won a SB regardless of their cap %.

No QB named Deshaun has ever won a SB.

No team, in the history of the league, has ever won a SB with a Watt brother on the team.

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped (of course if it had wings, why would it hop? I smell a conspiracy)

Facts people - We. Are. Doomed.
 

Earl34

All Pro
In other news - no Houston QB has ever won a SB regardless of their cap %.

No QB named Deshaun has ever won a SB.

No team, in the history of the league, has ever won a SB with a Watt brother on the team.

If a frog had wings it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped (of course if it had wings, why would it hop? I smell a conspiracy)

Facts people - We. Are. Doomed.
I wished I knew 13.2% and all these things were as certain as death and taxes. It would have save me from making so many trips to Specs.
 

steelbtexan

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Every time I read this stat. I wonder why we never posted or discussed that regardless of QB salary, no former Belichick assistant has become a HC and won a Super Bowl.
True and I wouldn't hire a BB assistant because of this. For every Flores you get a Patricia or RAC as HC.
 

steelbtexan

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Whatever they are, they'd be worse without Watson.
Where they're at right now they should've blown it all up and started over. This includes DW4. Better isn't good enough.

Oh well 160 mil later that's water under the bridge.

Texans org is really good for entertainment value. I LMAO all the time at the McNair's.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Where they're at right now they should've blown it all up and started over. This includes DW4. Better isn't good enough.

Oh well 160 mil later that's water under the bridge.

Texans org is really good for entertainment value. I LMAO all the time at the McNair's.

Hahaha you don’t ever get rid of your franchise dude. Like I stated before, you’re not fooling anyone.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
I wished I knew 13.2% and all these things were as certain as death and taxes. It would have save me from making so many trips to Specs.
This 13.2% cap on QB is a ludicrous idea.
Corrosion or whoever started it wants to mean that it leaves the team with little money left to build a team.
And he (they) use as proof that no QB that ever won a SB occupied that much cap space.
But that is a fallacy of argument.

As I had shown at least a couple of situations where teams that had won a SB still has plenty of cap space to do whatever they want.
(If I continue to look it up, I'm fairly sure I'll come up with more.)

So whatever @steelbtexan wants to call "truth" is actually a Big Fat Misinformation and not even a half-baked truth.
 

thunderkyss

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The same 0 percent but the future would be brighter.
That’s that same, “Get rid of Keenum/Yates & spend more money for Fitzpatrick/Hoyer.” Thinking that got us here. We’ll have barely winning, slipping into the playoffs if we’re lucky team ready to fall apart once we find a franchise QB.

Building around DW4 would be like building around Alex Smith. We’ll have a division winning team ready for Mahomes to take us to the next step.
 

thunderkyss

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But that is a fallacy of argument.

As I had shown at least a couple of situations where teams that had won a SB still has plenty of cap space to do whatever they want.
I think the fallacy is that the SB winning QBs of the last decade has had 13+% contracts at one time or another in their career. Just not at the time they won the Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger won Super Bowls as top paid QBs in this league. Whatever shenanigans Brady & New England played or structure the Steelers, Colts, or Broncos used to allow them to build their teams, they did. & regardless what cap is or will be we’re going to find a way to build a team. It’s not like they can say, “we’re not going to play this year.”
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
A quick look shows that the 2019 cap was set at 188.2M

The Chiefs only used 155.6M of that amount (including Mahomes).
Less than 83% of the cap space.

Yeah, teams have more than enough room to pay their starting QB 13.2% of the cap if that's what they choose to do.


 

steelbtexan

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That’s that same, “Get rid of Keenum/Yates & spend more money for Fitzpatrick/Hoyer.” Thinking that got us here. We’ll have barely winning, slipping into the playoffs if we’re lucky team ready to fall apart once we find a franchise QB.

Building around DW4 would be like building around Alex Smith. We’ll have a division winning team ready for Mahomes to take us to the next step.
I'm good with fully rebuilding under the new regime, that includes DW4. Build the team back up with the draft picks gotten in trade and the cap space gained from those trades over the next couple of yrs. Then trade multiple picks to get your QB if a Manning/Warner situation doesn't arise letting you get your QB that way. The Texans have never done business this way and never will as long as the McNair's own the team. Just another reason the Texans wont ever win a championship with McNair's owning the team. They never fully clean house and will always be stuck in mediocrity because of this. McNair's gotta make their $$$$.
Based on Texans history.....you could shite in one hand and wish in the other.....you know how the story goes from there.
True, that's another reason why the Texans will never win under the McNair's ownership.
 
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steelbtexan

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I think the fallacy is that the SB winning QBs of the last decade has had 13+% contracts at one time or another in their career. Just not at the time they won the Super Bowl. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger won Super Bowls as top paid QBs in this league. Whatever shenanigans Brady & New England played or structure the Steelers, Colts, or Broncos used to allow them to build their teams, they did. & regardless what cap is or will be we’re going to find a way to build a team. It’s not like they can say, “we’re not going to play this year.”
The key is to structure your contracts in a way to give yourself a chance to win a SB. Mahomes has a chance to break this trend because they can cut guys like Hill and draft another speedster to replace him. They already have Hardman waiting in the wings to replace Hill/Watkins etc... in a couple of yrs. Plus Mahomes is a transcendent talent.
 

Corrosion

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This 13.2% cap on QB is a ludicrous idea.
Corrosion or whoever started it wants to mean that it leaves the team with little money left to build a team.
And he (they) use as proof that no QB that ever won a SB occupied that much cap space.
But that is a fallacy of argument.

As I had shown at least a couple of situations where teams that had won a SB still has plenty of cap space to do whatever they want.
(If I continue to look it up, I'm fairly sure I'll come up with more.)

So whatever @steelbtexan wants to call "truth" is actually a Big Fat Misinformation and not even a half-baked truth.

What you showed is that they pushed that money to future years. (The Brady cap hit was a joke as he was a Free Agent).

Fact still remains that no QB has won a superbowl earning greater than 13.2% of the cap in that year.

That doesn't mean it can't happen ..... but 26 years and many HOFer QB's later should be plenty of evidence that you still need a quality team around that guy - You know , the same argument you guy's make for Watson - He needs X Y & Z ..... well , when you pay him 20% of the total , you are starting out behind the 8 ball in those seasons.
 

76Texan

Hall of Fame
What you showed is that they pushed that money to future years. (The Brady cap hit was a joke as he was a Free Agent).

Fact still remains that no QB has won a superbowl earning greater than 13.2% of the cap in that year.

That doesn't mean it can't happen ..... but 26 years and many HOFer QB's later should be plenty of evidence that you still need a quality team around that guy - You know , the same argument you guy's make for Watson - He needs X Y & Z ..... well , when you pay him 20% of the total , you are starting out behind the 8 ball in those seasons.
Card Stacking.

See post 563 here:

 
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badboy

Hall of Fame
I'm good with fully rebuilding under the new regime, that includes DW4. Build the team back up with the draft picks gotten in trade and the cap space gained from those trades over the next couple of yrs. Then trade multiple picks to get your QB if a Manning/Warner situation doesn't arise letting you get your QB that way. The Texans have never done business this way and never will as long as the McNair's own the team. Just another reason the Texans wont ever win a championship with McNair's owning the team. They never fully clean house and will always be stuck in mediocrity because of this. McNair's gotta make their $$$$.


True, that's another reason why the Texans will never win under the McNair's ownership.
Any thought as to who would step up to buy Texans if McNair did put the team on the market? Do you have any concern that a new owner would relocate the team?
 

thunderkyss

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Any thought as to who would step up to buy Texans if McNair did put the team on the market? Do you have any concern that a new owner would relocate the team?
Why start over, almost got this one broken in. 3... 4 more seasons & he'll have made all possible mistakes. Then it's good times ahead.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Why start over, almost got this one broken in. 3... 4 more seasons & he'll have made all possible mistakes. Then it's good times ahead.
So...we are going to eliminate repeating mistakes? What makes you think that? One of the guys on today's game said Crennel could be HC next season with Easty remaining GM. Shudder.
 

thunderkyss

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So...we are going to eliminate repeating mistakes? What makes you think that? One of the guys on today's game said Crennel could be HC next season with Easty remaining GM. Shudder.
You've been a Texans fan longer than any HC has been a HC of the Texans. You've been a fan longer than any GM has been a GM of the Texans.


Just wait them out. Other than @Thorn Time is on our side.
 

steelbtexan

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Any thought as to who would step up to buy Texans if McNair did put the team on the market? Do you have any concern that a new owner would relocate the team?
I dont know who would buy the Texans. If local I would think somebody from the energy sector. I'm not worried at all about a new owner moving the team, with the guaranteed sell outs. A new owner would be crazy to move the team. The Houston Texans are a slot machine that's paying off millions every yr.
 


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