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State of the O-line

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
Wow, was seeing Seantrel as last even servicable tackle in case of injury. Must have his medical issues flaring back up?? Stay healthy boys!
Wow, was seeing Seantrel as last even servicable tackle in case of injury. Must have his medical issues flaring back up?? Stay healthy boys!
He was pretty terrible but yes it sounds like he's sick again.

Hopefully Roderick is ready to go
 

OptimisticTexan

Hall of Fame
NE will once again be the ultimate challenge this season. I like that the OL is coming together pretty fast and it's coming against defenses that will allow them to build confidence. It's still one game at a time but when the Patriots game arrives......this will be the gauge as to how far they have truly come.

I'm also a Skipper fan and I'm happy to see him in a Texans uniform. Great addition to the OL.
 

justmy2cents

All Pro
NE will once again be the ultimate challenge this season. I like that the OL is coming together pretty fast and it's coming against defenses that will allow them to build confidence. It's still one game at a time but when the Patriots game arrives......this will be the gauge as to how far they have truly come.

I'm also a Skipper fan and I'm happy to see him in a Texans uniform. Great addition to the OL.

Me too .... watched him all through his senior year with the Hogs .... he was the first one that made me wonder if there was a "too tall" offensive lineman .... competition is greater now, but I never saw him get cheated !
 

maverick512000

Hall of Fame
Seth Payne of 610 today said he's revising his opinion of the Texans' Oline coachs ability and thinks he's finally seeing some results basically because the talent on the team in the line has improved. So maybe Mike Devlin is not so bad afterall if he's given some capable players to coach ?
I'm still not ready to give him a pass, its not just about the coaching it's spotting the talent in the first place. I know some on here will immediately scream "Its BoBs fault for crappy talent" as if we don't know what their position is on every issue but as a position coach Devlin should have been watching the up coming guys and been able to spot talent. BoB has stuck by him to much for anyone to claim that he wouldn't listen if Devlin made a recommendation so either Devlin hasn't done that or his recommendations suck. I would bet on the latter.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Site Contributor
NE will once again be the ultimate challenge this season. I like that the OL is coming together pretty fast and it's coming against defenses that will allow them to build confidence. It's still one game at a time but when the Patriots game arrives......this will be the gauge as to how far they have truly come.

I'm also a Skipper fan and I'm happy to see him in a Texans uniform. Great addition to the OL.
Skipper is the tallest OT in NFL history from what I can tell. You always worry about pad level with a player that tall. The next tallest OT was
Jonathan Ogden who
was the first ever draft pick in Baltimore Ravens history. Taken 4th overall during the 1996 NFL Draft, Ogden played his entire NFL career with the Ravens. He won a Super Bowl ring in 2011 after the Ravens beat the New York Giants at Super Bowl XXXV.

In 12 seasons, he was an 11-time Pro Bowl selection, missing the Hawaii Trip only during his rookie season. Ogden was also a 9 time All-Pro, including four times in the first team. He was named to the NFL’s All-Decade team for the 2000’s decade and inducted to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2013.
link

But Ogden carries 345 lbs on his 6'9" frame...............while Skipper carries only 325 lbs with 1 inch less in height...........right now, Skipper still looks too much like a lanky tree with small anchor (maybe TE-like) that will be pulled up by the roots and toppled when challenged by big, strong D. Skipper will need more muscle bulk/strength and much better technique before he can ever be considered a useful OT for us. I would sure like to see these potential changes sooner than later if they are even able to be affected.
 
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DanielTx

Veteran
NE will once again be the ultimate challenge this season. I like that the OL is coming together pretty fast and it's coming against defenses that will allow them to build confidence. It's still one game at a time but when the Patriots game arrives......this will be the gauge as to how far they have truly come.

I'm also a Skipper fan and I'm happy to see him in a Texans uniform. Great addition to the OL.
Every time we play New England the refs screw us. I use to see crazy stats like Ne being penalized once in 3 games. I think every team commits more than 3 penalties a game but the refs turn a blind eye for Brady team.


At :33 cooks didn’t have control of the ball. You can see the ball hit the ground. the refs were so quick to call it a td.
 

Texansballer74

Hall of Fame
Every time we play New England the refs screw us. I use to see crazy stats like Ne being penalized once in 3 games. I think every team commits more than 3 penalties a game but the refs turn a blind eye for Brady team.


At :33 cooks didn’t have control of the ball. You can see the ball hit the ground. the refs were so quick to call it a td.

Situational awareness is the key. Instead of playing the ball 43 should've known where they were. He should've pushed Cooks out of bounds.


Don't ever trust the refs in these type of games to make the right call.
 

DanielTx

Veteran
Situational awareness is the key. Instead of playing the ball 43 should've known where they were. He should've pushed Cooks out of bounds.
I said the same thing when it first happened but that doesn’t really matter if you look at the catch. That ball hit the ground,what a joke. I knew they weren’t going to over turn it but I bet if roles were reversed, Watson wouldn’t have that td
 

DanielTx

Veteran
your opinion doesn't seem to match the NFL's
Rules switch for certain players

That’s technically an incomplete pass, as he was going to the ground, he lost a little control of the ball, CLEARLY, then the ball is clearly on the ground and then recovers it, thus incomplete. The ground is not allowed to assist in completing a pass thus it should have been incomplete.
 

CloakNNNdagger

Site Contributor
It all started with Tunsil.

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Texans offensive line taking on a WWE-like mentality

John McClain , Houston Chronicle Oct. 17, 2019

When the Texans traded for left tackle Laremy Tunsil, they acquired a talented athlete with the strength and movement to excel at the most important position on the offensive line.

But another reason they paid so dearly to get Tunsil was his nasty, physical, tone-setting disposition, kind of a WWE-mentality that’s been infectious enough to affect his teammates on the offensive line.

Six games into the season and entering Sunday’s AFC South confrontation at Indianapolis, the Texans’ offensive line is downright hostile, playing with such aggression it’s as if they’re on a revenge tour against everyone who offended them.

Nowhere is that destructive demeanor more evident than the success of the running game.

The Texans go to Lucas Oil Stadium ranked fifth in rushing with 139.8 yards a game. Subtract one bad performance in the victory over the Los Angeles Chargers in which they were limited to 39, and the Texans have averaged 160 yards rushing. That total increases to 164.6 over the last three games and 179 over the last two.

“That position is tough, a car crash on every play,” coach Bill O’Brien said about his line. “It’s not like playing any other position. You’re in physical combat on every single play, so I think you have to have that attitude.”

Tunsil won’t take credit for bringing the “car crash” attitude to the Texans.


“We all set the tone, not just me,” Tunsil said. “We rub off on each other. We want to be great, so we try to set that tone early in games and get things done.”

Watch how the linemen play from the first snap, and it’s easy to see how physical they’ve become. They’re not satisfied to just block their guy — they want to bury him and jump on top to make sure he stays down.

THE REST OF THE STORY
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
I said the same thing when it first happened but that doesn’t really matter if you look at the catch. That ball hit the ground,what a joke. I knew they weren’t going to over turn it but I bet if roles were reversed, Watson wouldn’t have that td
Oh, it mattered and plays like that are why 43 is no longer on the team.

BTW, I was at that game and it was soul crushing.
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
I'm still not ready to give him a pass, its not just about the coaching it's spotting the talent in the first place. I know some on here will immediately scream "Its BoBs fault for crappy talent" as if we don't know what their position is on every issue but as a position coach Devlin should have been watching the up coming guys and been able to spot talent. BoB has stuck by him to much for anyone to claim that he wouldn't listen if Devlin made a recommendation so either Devlin hasn't done that or his recommendations suck. I would bet on the latter.
Devlin worked out Davenport and apparently thought he could teach Davenport to play LT. That says it all when it comes to Devlin's recommendations for me.
 

thunderkyss

It's good to be me... again.
Staff member
Devlin worked out Davenport and apparently thought he could teach Davenport to play LT. That says it all when it comes to Devlin's recommendations for me.
When he played in Miami, where did they play him? RG? Or was that guy also not as smart as you?
 

austins23

Hall of Fame
Every time we play New England the refs screw us. I use to see crazy stats like Ne being penalized once in 3 games. I think every team commits more than 3 penalties a game but the refs turn a blind eye for Brady team.
At :33 cooks didn’t have control of the ball. You can see the ball hit the ground. the refs were so quick to call it a td.
That ball hit the ground,what a joke.
That’s technically an incomplete pass, as he was going to the ground
I was pissed off to no end. That was NOT a catch by NFL rule book standards. But it was Brady and the Patriots. Hell, the review upstairs took less than 10 seconds. When the hell does that ever happen? Never.

But ya, #43 should have pushed him out of bounds, but then the refs would have made up some BS PI call so the Brady's would have won any way.

Kraft and Belichik have made deals with the devil.
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
Finally taking pressure off Deshaun Watson
One of the Texans' biggest concerns entering the 2019 season was protecting franchise quarterback Deshaun Watson. After facing a pressure on 36.3 percent of dropbacks in his rookie season in 2017 (fifth-highest in the NFL, min. 200 attempts), Watson was pressured on 29.6 percent of his dropbacks last season (13th-highest rate among 34 qualified QBs). New offensive line additions Laremy Tunsil, Tytus Howard and Max Scharping have helped Watson stay (relatively) clean in the pocket this season. Watson has faced a pressure on just 21.9 percent of his dropbacks in 2019, the 12th-lowest rate among 36 qualifying QBs, and was pressured at the two lowest rates in his career in Weeks 5 and 6 against the Falcons and Chiefs, respectively. The Texans hope this trend continues in Week 7 against the Colts, who have the fifth-lowest pressure rate in the NFL (20.7 percent). Houston will have to reshuffle the group up front a bit, though, with Howard set to miss time with an MCL injury

http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3000001066422/next-gen-stats-compelling-figures-that-could-shape-week-7
 

steelbtexan

Hall of Fame
That another NFL scout OL coach & OC also thought Davenport could play LT.
Your using what Miami's OL is doing as a barometer.

Crazy talk. If you want a bad OL and to get your own players hurt because of Davenports inept play then so be it. Atleast Davenport and his slow feet got hurt this time instead of getting one of his own teammates hurt. (Again)
 

zshawn10

Hall of Fame
Interesting note per @PFF pass blocking grading of rookie tackles with 20% pass blocking snaps:

Tytus Howard ranked 2nd.
Andre Dillard ranked 9th.

Pressure allowed per pass block snap:
Howard: 0.07
Dillard: 0.23

— TexansCap (@TexansCap) October 22, 2019


#Browns Per @PFF, the bottom-5 OL in terms of pass-blocking efficiency (min. 60 pass-block snaps):

1. Andre Dillard
2. Jamil Demby
3. Chuma Edoga
4. Brandon Knight
T-5. Justin McCray*
T-5- Germain Ifedi

*Allowed seven pressures on 68 pass-block snaps

— Cody Suek (@WFNYCody) October 21, 2019
 

thunderkyss

It's good to be me... again.
Staff member
Interesting note per @PFF pass blocking grading of rookie tackles with 20% pass blocking snaps:

Tytus Howard ranked 2nd.
Andre Dillard ranked 9th.

Pressure allowed per pass block snap:
Howard: 0.07
Dillard: 0.23

— TexansCap (@TexansCap) October 22, 2019


#Browns Per @PFF, the bottom-5 OL in terms of pass-blocking efficiency (min. 60 pass-block snaps):

1. Andre Dillard
2. Jamil Demby
3. Chuma Edoga
4. Brandon Knight
T-5. Justin McCray*
T-5- Germain Ifedi

*Allowed seven pressures on 68 pass-block snaps

— Cody Suek (@WFNYCody) October 21, 2019
What was Howard's score after his first game & a half?
 

TheKDog

Hall of Fame
NFL Offensive Line Rankings - Week 8 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF



19. HOUSTON TEXANS

The addition of Laremy Tunsil has had a huge impact on the Texans’ offensive line. The 25-year-old left tackle enters Week 9 ranks inside the top-20 in overall grade (75.7) and, more importantly, second in pass-blocking grade (89.9) among all qualifying offensive linemen. Rookie Tyrus Howard was also a bright spot for the team before going down with injury, earning 75.0-plus pass-blocking grades in three consecutive games (Weeks 4-6). Fellow rookie Max Scharping has been much more of a liability, earning just a 56.0 overall grade across 427 offensive snaps.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-8
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
NFL Offensive Line Rankings - Week 8 | NFL News, Rankings and Statistics | PFF



19. HOUSTON TEXANS

The addition of Laremy Tunsil has had a huge impact on the Texans’ offensive line. The 25-year-old left tackle enters Week 9 ranks inside the top-20 in overall grade (75.7) and, more importantly, second in pass-blocking grade (89.9) among all qualifying offensive linemen. Rookie Tyrus Howard was also a bright spot for the team before going down with injury, earning 75.0-plus pass-blocking grades in three consecutive games (Weeks 4-6). Fellow rookie Max Scharping has been much more of a liability, earning just a 56.0 overall grade across 427 offensive snaps.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-week-8
That's great ! So looks like for the near term and also the longer term the Texans may have their bookend offensive tackles. And FWIW Howard grading higher than Dillard
provides a certain sense of satisfaction.
So I know when the Pro-Bowl voting begins I'm gonna be pounding the keyboard hrd for Tunsil.
 

mussop

Hall of Fame
It all started with Tunsil.

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Texans offensive line taking on a WWE-like mentality
John McClain , Houston Chronicle Oct. 17, 2019

When the Texans traded for left tackle Laremy Tunsil, they acquired a talented athlete with the strength and movement to excel at the most important position on the offensive line.

But another reason they paid so dearly to get Tunsil was his nasty, physical, tone-setting disposition, kind of a WWE-mentality that’s been infectious enough to affect his teammates on the offensive line.

Six games into the season and entering Sunday’s AFC South confrontation at Indianapolis, the Texans’ offensive line is downright hostile, playing with such aggression it’s as if they’re on a revenge tour against everyone who offended them.

Nowhere is that destructive demeanor more evident than the success of the running game.

The Texans go to Lucas Oil Stadium ranked fifth in rushing with 139.8 yards a game. Subtract one bad performance in the victory over the Los Angeles Chargers in which they were limited to 39, and the Texans have averaged 160 yards rushing. That total increases to 164.6 over the last three games and 179 over the last two.

“That position is tough, a car crash on every play,” coach Bill O’Brien said about his line. “It’s not like playing any other position. You’re in physical combat on every single play, so I think you have to have that attitude.”

Tunsil won’t take credit for bringing the “car crash” attitude to the Texans.


“We all set the tone, not just me,” Tunsil said. “We rub off on each other. We want to be great, so we try to set that tone early in games and get things done.”

Watch how the linemen play from the first snap, and it’s easy to see how physical they’ve become. They’re not satisfied to just block their guy — they want to bury him and jump on top to make sure he stays down.

THE REST OF THE STORY
This is why Skipper is a good fit here. That’s how he plays. I’m really glad we picked him up.
 


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