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Source: Vick 'one of the heavyweights' in dogfighting

ccdude730 said:
that sure sounds like a whole lot of work. you would need several guys and a big truck for all that.



who will act first? poindexter or goodell?
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I really think goodell is going to cave under pressure from animal rights sects as the season gets nearer.
 
Mr teX said:
I really think goodell is going to cave under pressure from animal rights sects as the season gets nearer.
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Cave? I'm not so sure that Goodell isn't going to want to pull the trigger on this just for the good press he'll get. It gives him a chance to say, "See. If you're tarnishing the image of the league, you're outta here regardless of who you think you are. The league is bigger than any single player." If there's some evidence that Vick was involved. He's going to be sitting.

With that said, he's going to wait until the investigations are over before making the decision. I'd expect it to be fairly close to the beginning of the season before we hear anything.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Cave? I'm not so sure that Goodell isn't going to want to pull the trigger on this just for the good press he'll get. It gives him a chance to say, "See. If you're tarnishing the image of the league, you're outta here regardless of who you think you are. The league is bigger than any single player." If there's some evidence that Vick was involved. He's going to be sitting.

With that said, he's going to wait until the investigations are over before making the decision. I'd expect it to be fairly close to the beginning of the season before we hear anything.
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IMO i could see goodell acting first. and he would probably say those exact things you mentioned earlier, but also say that he doesnt want it to be a distraction to the team trying to prepare for the upcoming season. what are the chances he will play this season anyway?

but i doubt he handles this until we hear from a grand jury whether or not he will be indicted
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Cave? I'm not so sure that Goodell isn't going to want to pull the trigger on this just for the good press he'll get. It gives him a chance to say, "See. If you're tarnishing the image of the league, you're outta here regardless of who you think you are. The league is bigger than any single player." If there's some evidence that Vick was involved. He's going to be sitting.

With that said, he's going to wait until the investigations are over before making the decision. I'd expect it to be fairly close to the beginning of the season before we hear anything.
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yeah, i could see that happening as well, but the only reason i used the word "cave" is b/c i think he will act too prematurely to where the punishment wont fit the crime (suspended too little games), or it'll be too harsh if it's found that Vick's involvement doesn't prompt poindexter to file charges on him.
 
ccdude730 said:
who will act first? poindexter or goodell?
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Neither! Money talks, in SOOOO many different ways!! MV is one of the, if not THE, most valuable QBs in the NFL, money wise. The NFL has kissed his over paid butt since he hit Atlanta. His marketing value alone is priceless, or was, to the NFL. If Goodell lets the hatchet fall on MV for his dogfighting involvement, how many other high priced NFL players will have to feel the rath of the newly crowned commish, for the same offense? Goodell will think long and hard before he drops the ax on this case. JMO. Just the fact that Poindexter, and all the other yahoos in Atlanta, have let this entire mess go on so long without SOMEONE taking the blame, raises a huge flag with the $$$$ sign all over it. Someone is getting paid off! JMO also!!
 
SheTexan said:
Neither! Money talks, in SOOOO many different ways!! MV is one of the, if not THE, most valuable QBs in the NFL, money wise. The NFL has kissed his over paid butt since he hit Atlanta. His marketing value alone is priceless, or was, to the NFL. If Goodell lets the hatchet fall on MV for his dogfighting involvement, how many other high priced NFL players will have to feel the rath of the newly crowned commish, for the same offense? Goodell will think long and hard before he drops the ax on this case. JMO. Just the fact that Poindexter, and all the other yahoos in Atlanta, have let this entire mess go on so long without SOMEONE taking the blame, raises a huge flag with the $$$$ sign all over it. Someone is getting paid off! JMO also!!
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i agree almost 100%. not sure if goodell will let other player's possible involvement affect his decision though.
 
portis makes a discovery...

"A couple of weeks ago, when I made those comments, I didn't understand the seriousness behind it," the Washington Redskins running back said Tuesday. "I didn't know it would affect that many people, didn't think what I said was that offensive. But after doing research and seeing how serious people take this, I shouldn't have made the comments."

Portis said he has since done research on the subject and saw people crying over two humpback whales trapped in a river near San Francisco. He said he even wondered if he was being watched on a hidden camera when a woman sitting next to him at an airport spread a blanket and put down a bowl of water for her dog.

"I had no idea the love that people have for animals or didn't consider it when I made those comments," Portis said. "I'm not even a pets man. I've got a fish — that's the easiest thing to keep up. I've never been into dogs, never dealt with dogs, don't like playing with dogs. But at the same time, there's a lot of people who are crazy over pets."
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A Virginia TV station is reporting that investigators are on the Surry County property owned by Falcons quarterback Michael Vick executing a federal search warrant.

WAVY reported the latest search. The warrant is part of an ongoing investigation into dog fighting at the property owned by Vick.

Commonwealth attorney Gerald Poindexter and sheriff Harold Brown refused to execute a warrant last week based on information from a police informant to search for up to 30 dog carcasses buried on the property. Poindexter and Brown both said this week that the warrant could be re-issued and the search executed.
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Something seems a little off on this report. The Feds would get their own warrant, not use the Sheriff's.
 
The report I read, says the Feds are searching the property with a Federal issued warrant. Don't think they are using the local's warrant.
 
Grams said:
The report I read, says the Feds are searching the property with a Federal issued warrant. Don't think they are using the local's warrant.
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They are using a Fed warrant--the source I saw just muddled things.

This is getting interesting--so the Feds move in with a new warrant from a new judge since Pointdexter wouldn't bother to move on his informant's information and the response is?

"There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said after the investigation was wrested from him. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."
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From profootballtalk.com.

So the Feds moving in is racial? Gotcha. Couldn't be the local prosecutor was sitting on his hands--naaaah.
 
From the overturned clods of dirt visible on the ground around the outbuildings behind the main house, officials appeared to be digging for dog remains Thursday, according to WAVY-TV 10 helicopter video.

They also carried several boxes to and from the main part of the home.

Federal officials told Poindexter that they would work with him, and that he could continue his case. But, he said, it was unlikely that he would re-search the property now.

"We've had six weeks of dealing with it, and that wasn't quick enough," he said. "Let's see how long it takes the feds. Let's see what they do.
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looks like the feds want to find those dog remains more than poindexter. its a sealed warrant i believe, but im sure the wording in this warrant is a little better? ....maybe?

also searched for that news station infantrycak mentioned and they have an exclusive interview with vicks cousin. nothing really interesting except when the interviewer pushes him to try and talk about the dogs being at the property. if you load the video, theres also a 1 on 1 with poindexter talking about the failed warrant. Video Player Link (hopefully that link works)
 
Specnatz said:
Is it must me or does poindexter look like he was paid off on this one?
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Could be, but I think its more of a politically motivated foot dragging. From what I read, Surry County is split pretty evenly on people who want to pursue charges against Vick and people who want to just excuse it and move on. Since Poindexter is an elected official he has to play the game and do what he can do to get re-elected. Not that I agree with his tactics, but that's just my take on it.

At the risk of sounding like a "lemming" it is really starting to look like Vick's in trouble.

From Profootballtalk:

Though we didn't see any arms or legs (or wings) in the dirt, the tail end of the video shows one of the investigators fitting his face with a paper mouth/nose mask.

So why would someone want to wear a mask over his breathing holes on a 90-degree June day, unless the shovels had uncovered something that stinks pretty bad? Something like, say, a rotting dog carcass.
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TigerV1 said:
Could be, but I think its more of a politically motivated foot dragging. From what I read, Surry County is split pretty evenly on people who want to pursue charges against Vick and people who want to just excuse it and move on. Since Poindexter is an elected official he has to play the game and do what he can do to get re-elected. Not that I agree with his tactics, but that's just my take on it.
At the risk of sounding like a "lemming" it is really starting to look like Vick's in trouble.
From Profootballtalk:
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Bet your boots Vick is in real trouble. This thing is too big to be settled at the local level. Politicaly speaking PETA and other animal rights groups are now big-time heavyweights at the national level, and they got more than enought juice to reach down and infleunce local politics in some hick place like Surry County, VA.
And you can bet Blank and his Falcon organization is getting tons of heat locally in ATL. ATL is a very high-profile city with an ego to match with too many infleuential, powerfil citizens who are unwilling to accept Vick and his mess as the face of the citys pro sports franchises.
 
Mr teX said:
So you'd rather accept this conspiracy, but not any others where MV might've actually just been taken advantage of by his cousin?
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Well there is a lot of objective information pointing away from the single cousin shooter theory whereas there is a lot of objective information pointing toward Pointdexter operating in a questionable fashion.
 
Mr teX said:
So you'd rather accept this conspiracy, but not any others where MV might've actually just been taken advantage of by his cousin?
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I seriously doubt Vick was taken advantage of (there I go being a lemming again). If Vick's cousin did take advantage of him then Vick has got to be one of the dumbest people on the planet. What was Vick's Wonderlic score again?
 
nunusguy said:
Bet your boots Vick is in real trouble. This thing is too big to be settled at the local level. Politicaly speaking PETA and other animal rights groups are now big-time heavyweights at the national level, and they got more than enought juice to reach down and infleunce local politics in some hick place like Surry County, VA.
And you can bet Blank and his Falcon organization is getting tons of heat locally in ATL. ATL is a very high-profile city with an ego to match with too many infleuential, powerfil citizens who are unwilling to accept Vick and his mess as the face of the citys pro sports franchises.
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Oh I completely agree with you, I was just saying that I am leaning towards Poindexter not taking action because he wants to keep his job. He wants people to think he is doing what he can, but his hands are tied. Blah blah blah... I am a little curious as to why he is turning this into a race issue. Is it really about race or is it about right vs wrong?

Profootballtalk:
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POINDEXTER PLAYS THE RACE CARD

Surry County, Virginia prosecutor Gerald Poindexter is providing even more justification for the decision of the feds to take over the Mike Vick dog-fighting investigation. Instead of shutting his mouth and getting on with his life, Poindexter is complaining about the fact that someone has finally begun to develop the evidence in the case....

..."There's a larger thing here, and it has nothing to do with any breach of protocol," Poindexter said after the investigation was wrested from him. "There's something awful going on here. I don't know if it's racial. I don't know what it is."

Poindexter had more to say:

"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case. I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?

"Apparently these people want it. They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. . . . They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."
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TigerV1 said:
I seriously doubt Vick was taken advantage of (there I go being a lemming again). If Vick's cousin did take advantage of him then Vick has got to be one of the dumbest people on the planet. What was Vick's Wonderlic score again?
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I'm trying to figure out why you guys think that this guy is supposed to be baby sitting his cousin & know exactly what kind of crap he might be up to just b/c he owned the house. That truthfully is all that they have on MV, everything else that has come out about this case can be pushed onto the cousin & everyone else he or his cousin let live there. If there was a paper trail, i'm sure they would've found it by now. The guy resides in another state for the better part of the year & 10 other people had access to the home for god's sakes people.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm trying to figure out why you guys think that this guy is supposed to be baby sitting his cousin & know exactly what kind of crap he might be up to just b/c he owned the house. That truthfully is all that they have on MV. The guy resides in another state for the better part of the year & 10 other people had access to the home for god's sake.
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Are you ignoring the fact that witness after witness is coming forward saying they can place Vick there at the dogfights? Or maybe the fact that Vick either admitted to being there a few months ago or that he was also seen at the house during a non dog fighting time. And you can friggin bet that if I am Vick, I know what's going on in a house that I own.

It would be my business to know what my cousins are doing in a house that I own and if any of them seemed slightly shady I would either 1) Not let them live in a house that I own or 2) Would be making sure that my integrity was not being screwed with by some low life cousin. Either way, Vick doesn't look good in this.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm trying to figure out why you guys think that this guy is supposed to be baby sitting his cousin & know exactly what kind of crap he might be up to just b/c he owned the house. That truthfully is all that they have on MV, everything else that has come out about this case can be pushed onto the cousin & everyone else he or his cousin let live there. If there was a paper trail, i'm sure they would've found it by now. The guy resides in another state for the better part of the year & 10 other people had access to the home for god's sakes people.
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I'm trying to figure out why you're defending him so strongly. Sure, all the evidence that has been made public as of right now can be rationalized or the blame can be shifted. There is a difference between guilt being proveable in a court of law and the truth. When I go outside and everything is wet, I don't need to have actually seen the rain falling to know that it rained. Some things are just pretty damn evident.
 
Specnatz said:
Is it must me or does poindexter look like he was paid off on this one?
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after watching some video of poindexter, something doesnt look right. he is dragging his feet on this one, and maybe thats just the way he conducts himself but it seems like something is bothering him.
 
I do not have the link but the reason the reason that the federal government has now stepped in is due to witnesses saying the dogs were transported across state lines.

As in a kidnapping, or any crime for that matter, once you cross a state boundary, you are under Uncle Sam's Jurisdiction.

I believe that the DA is calling the race card is because he has lost control of the situation and is about to be perceived as incompetent. He is starting to look for cover.
 
TigerV1 said:
Are you ignoring the fact that witness after witness is coming forward saying they can place Vick there at the dogfights? Or maybe the fact that Vick either admitted to being there a few months ago or that he was also seen at the house during a non dog fighting time. And you can friggin bet that if I am Vick, I know what's going on in a house that I own.

It would be my business to know what my cousins are doing in a house that I own and if any of them seemed slightly shady I would either 1) Not let them live in a house that I own or 2) Would be making sure that my integrity was not being screwed with by some low life cousin. Either way, Vick doesn't look good in this.
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Witness after witness? 1 guy has come forward & said he could place vick at a dogfight back in like 2000; i believe when he was still in college at the time. Okay so he was at the house during the offseason during a nondogfighting time as you say, how exactly does that prove to be a slam dunk piece of evidence against him again? The guy comes from a bad place as does much of his family, do you really expect him to just turn his back now that he's made it?

I'm only defending the guy in this regard b/c in other threads with crap involving our players (weary), everyone is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt despite what has come out about the incident.

But in Vick's case, This guy is just despicable.
 
Specnatz said:
Is it must me or does poindexter look like he was paid off on this one?
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he was at least 'leaned on'. He is now furious that the feds are getting involved because it is going to make him look bad.

for him to go to the 'racial' card this early, is pretty freaking sad for a public official.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm trying to figure out why you guys think that this guy is supposed to be baby sitting his cousin & know exactly what kind of crap he might be up to just b/c he owned the house. That truthfully is all that they have on MV, everything else that has come out about this case can be pushed onto the cousin & everyone else he or his cousin let live there. If there was a paper trail, i'm sure they would've found it by now. The guy resides in another state for the better part of the year & 10 other people had access to the home for god's sakes people.
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you gotta be smarter than that, Mr. Tex. Vick is involved in this. he is involved in the breeding above the table and the fighting/training under the table. you cant be so naive to think that Vick doesnt know whats going on.

who pays for everything? who paid for the 'black houses' to be built after Vick bought the house? why did Vick buy the house? who pays to feed the animals? who paid for the equipment? who is saying 'no comment'? who is being fingered by witnesses who don't want their name known so they don't put themeselves in danger? who sold the house almost immediately at 1/2 cost in order to distance himself from this (didn't work)?

you may like vick but personally I can't believe your naive enough to believe he isn't involved in this sick enterprise.
 
Mr teX said:
Witness after witness? 1 guy has come forward & said he could place vick at a dogfight back in like 2000[/B]; i believe when he was still in college at the time. Okay so he was at the house during the offseason during a nondogfighting time as you say, how exactly does that prove to be a slam dunk piece of evidence against him again? The guy comes from a bad place as does much of his family, do you really expect him to just turn his back now that he's made it?

I'm only defending the guy in this regard b/c in other threads with crap involving our players (weary), everyone is willing to give him the benefit of the doubt despite what has come out about the incident.

But in Vick's case, This guy is just despicable.
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wrong. other witnesses have come forward but havent gone to the media to get paid and have their face pixelated. the feds have witnesses, they have a paper trail, they have a blood trail, and they have other things that we don't know about. now its up to whether or not they have enough to teach Vick a lesson about being a humane human being and not an evil dirtbag.
 
Mr teX said:
Witness after witness? 1 guy has come forward & said he could place vick at a dogfight back in like 2000
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but the thing is, there is more than just that 1 guy on they showed on espn. poindexter talks about informants and their stories of seeing vick there.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
wrong. other witnesses have come forward but havent gone to the media to get paid and have their face pixelated. the feds have witnesses, they have a paper trail, they have a blood trail, and they have other things that we don't know about. now its up to whether or not they have enough to teach Vick a lesson about being a humane human being and not an evil dirtbag.
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PLEASSSSSSSE show me a link to all of that, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated speculation. & No i'm not that naive; If you go back & read my posts, i've never insinuated that Vick wasn't involved in this at all in some fashion. All i've disputed with you guys up to this point is the level, nothing more. & IMO that has yet to be defined by anything that has come out about this case or what anyone has said.

in the interview by his cousin someone posted, his cousin has basically admitted guilt for "doing things he shouldn't have been doing in the house", why is everyone dismissing this guy like his role in this is minor, when the cops were already on him for drugs, things like that go to credibility.

How was it being financied you asked? I'm sure you know what type of money floats around those things, financing this crap is relatively easy.

The problem i'm having is with this hypocritical board i guess. The willingness to indulge in conspiracy theories that fit what they think happened/should happen but dismissing others equally as probable that don't fit.
 
on that same video player, there is a video on the left called "1 on 1 with poindexter" where a mr. fox asks him if he can put vick at the dog fights.

that is where you are going to hear him talk about more than 1 source. the video is mainly about him talking about the failed search warrant (says he did not want to build searches on past searches)
 
Mr teX said:
PLEASSSSSSSE show me a link to all of that, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated speculation. & No i'm not that naive; If you go back & read my posts, i've never insinuated that Vick wasn't involved in this at all in some fashion. All i've disputed with you guys up to this point is the level, nothing more. & IMO that has yet to be defined by anything that has come out about this case or what anyone has said.

in the interview by his cousin someone posted, his cousin has basically admitted guilt for "doing things he shouldn't have been doing in the house", why is everyone dismissing this guy like his role in this is minor, when the cops were already on him for drugs, things like that go to credibility.

How was it being financied you asked? I'm sure you know what type of money floats around those things, financing this crap is relatively easy.

The problem i'm having is with this hypocritical board i guess. The willingness to indulge in conspiracy theories that fit what they think happened/should happen but dismissing others equally as probable that don't fit.
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paper trail = vick owns the house, vick paid the contractor for the building of the black houses, was present during construction, his $$ used
blood trail = dogs buried on property, blood stains on carpet, blood on training devices
witness trail = witness implicating him as being involved and being present on property, during construction, and in some cases during fights

as for your statement on how its financed, you seem to think that hundreds of thousands of dollars (what it would take to build the black houses, feed the animals, buy the animals, and other aspects yet unknown) can just grow on trees. the cousin is a patsy for Vick, pure and simple. you gotta have seed money.

dude, i get what you are saying that Vick may get off due to some evidence being somewhat circumstantial and lack of willing public witnesses. totally agree. however, now that the Feds, DOA, and national power lobbying humane groups are involved, I think it could get really ugly for Vick. feds don't like to waste their time and I have a feeling they arent going to.

it was obvious that Falcons pride and politics were going to let Vick get away scot-free as far as local law enforcement goes. Money and fame can get you off those charges (just ask Paris) but only true 'playas' like Cheney, Rummy, and Bush can evade the feds.
 
Mr teX said:
PLEASSSSSSSE show me a link to all of that, otherwise it's just unsubstantiated speculation. & No i'm not that naive; If you go back & read my posts, i've never insinuated that Vick wasn't involved in this at all in some fashion. All i've disputed with you guys up to this point is the level, nothing more. & IMO that has yet to be defined by anything that has come out about this case or what anyone has said.

in the interview by his cousin someone posted, his cousin has basically admitted guilt for "doing things he shouldn't have been doing in the house", why is everyone dismissing this guy like his role in this is minor, when the cops were already on him for drugs, things like that go to credibility.

How was it being financied you asked? I'm sure you know what type of money floats around those things, financing this crap is relatively easy.

The problem i'm having is with this hypocritical board i guess. The willingness to indulge in conspiracy theories that fit what they think happened/should happen but dismissing others equally as probable that don't fit.
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No one is dismissing anything, you are because it is Mike Vick. Yes his cousin is guilty, but you seem to think he did all this without the guy who owns the house knowing a single thing about it. That has been proven to be a lie .. I never go there says Vick. Look his cusin is just as guilty and he is going down, that is not what anyone is debating or worried about, because that is a fact. What evryone wants is complete uncovery of all the parties involved and this includes MV. So that is why no one brings up his cousin.

Now I may get slamed for this but I will ask it, please Tex tell us all why you are so wanting MV to not be guilty? Are you related to him, did you go to the same school (college or high school) or is it race, what is the reason. I would really like to know why you want him to be let off the hook and poindexter to drag his feet and do absolutely nothing. There has to be a real good reason because you want to throw weary out to try and devert attention away from Vick, but hey there is a thread about him already and you want to go bad mouth him you can all you want on that thread.
 
Specnatz said:
Is it must me or does poindexter look like he was paid off on this one?
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Ive been saying that this whole mess smells for some time .....

Start with the fact that he didnt execute the original warrant and search the property for evidence in effect giving ample time / opportunity for any "Evidence" be removed or cleaned up . They even let the property be SOLD since this came about . Letting the property change hands sure didnt preserve the integrity of any evidence that there may have been .

(The house was valued at $747,000 and sold for $350,000 on May 9th , the same day it was put on the market . Taking a near $397k loss in it self says quite a bit .)

End with his coments .... From todays Chronicle

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4872502.html


"What is foreign to me is the federal government getting into a dogfighting case," Poindexter said. "I know it's been done, but what's driving this? Is it this boy's celebrity? Would they have done this if it wasn't Michael Vick?"

Poindexter said he was "absolutely floored" that federal officials got involved, and that he believes he and Sheriff Harold D. Brown handled the investigation properly.

"Apparently these people want it," Poindexter said. "They want it, and I don't believe they want it because of the serious criminal consequences involved. ... They want it because Michael Vick may be involved."

Poindexter said he found out about a sealed search warrant filed in the U.S. Attorney's office about the time federal investigators executed it Thursday.

"If they've made a judgment that we're not acting prudently and with dispatch based on what we have, they've not acting very wisely," Poindexter said.
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Seems to me they are acting because you havent Mr. Buford T. Justice .... errrr Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter ..... You dropped the ball .
 
Specnatz said:
No one is dismissing anything, you are because it is Mike Vick. Yes his cousin is guilty, but you seem to think he did all this without the guy who owns the house knowing a single thing about it. That has been proven to be a lie .. I never go there says Vick. Look his cusin is just as guilty and he is going down, that is not what anyone is debating or worried about, because that is a fact. What evryone wants is complete uncovery of all the parties involved and this includes MV. So that is why no one brings up his cousin.

Now I may get slamed for this but I will ask it, please Tex tell us all why you are so wanting MV to not be guilty? Are you related to him, did you go to the same school (college or high school) or is it race, what is the reason. I would really like to know why you want him to be let off the hook and poindexter to drag his feet and do absolutely nothing. There has to be a real good reason because you want to throw weary out to try and devert attention away from Vick, but hey there is a thread about him already and you want to go bad mouth him you can all you want on that thread.
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I'm not dismissing anything we just happen to be 2 people speaking from different sides of the topic, Again research my posts in this thread, i don't doubt he's involved, but i also don't think that he was the ring leader either.

I'm not going to slam you for expressing your opinion but in regards to the comments about poindexter dragging his feet... there's an old saying "measure as many times as you need to, but cut only once" or something to that effect. Maybe that's what Poindexter is/was doing, but we'll never know b/c Everyone is just so upset that the guy hasn't rushed to file charges on Vick with relatively circumstantial evidence.

As for everything else, I don't know poindexter or Vick or his cousin & I'm the last guy to play the race card. He bought a house & paid for sheds in the back, That's not uncommon for people who have houses on a pretty sizeable piece of land so if that's what you call a paper trail 2nd honeymoon, well good luck proving that he bought/built those houses exclusively for dog fighting. There is something to be said for taking your time & The feds are only taking this over b/c they don't want to appear soft on Animal Cruelty.

Also 2nd honeymoon..... 30,000 - 100,000 is not exactly small change, win a fight here, there & you're set up for a little while as far as your expenses goes.

And i only brought up weary to show the hypocrisy on this board, & if you check in there, I let them hear about it too...
 
This guy is two peas in a pod with that rotten DA in the Duke rape case. This guy has about as much credibility as Paris Hilton at a MENSA convention. Thank Goodness the Feds have moved in. If I lived in Surry County, I would want an investigation opened into this guys motives, as they sure as hell aren't with the taxpayers.
 
Mr teX said:
I'm not dismissing anything we just happen to be 2 people speaking from different sides of the topic, Again research my posts in this thread, i don't doubt he's involved, but i also don't think that he was the ring leader either.

I'm not going to slam you for expressing your opinion but in regards to the comments about poindexter dragging his feet... there's an old saying "measure as many times as you need to, but cut only once" or something to that effect. Maybe that's what Poindexter is/was doing, but we'll never know b/c Everyone is just so upset that the guy hasn't rushed to file charges on Vick with relatively circumstantial evidence.



Also 2nd honeymoon..... 30,000 - 100,000 is not exactly small change, win a fight here, there & you're set up for a little while as far as your expenses goes.

And i only brought up weary to show the hypocrisy on this board, & if you check in there, I let them hear about it too...
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you got a good argument there and I agree with that. I just think the NFL can't afford to wait on an actual conviction. that is why NFL Security is already 'on the case'. They can get info out of people better than teh police.

in order to win a fight you must procure the money to train dog(s), house dog(s), and fight dogs. it all starts somewhere and all signs point to Vick

I don't feel that Vick is the 'ringleader' of some vast multi-national dog fighting ring HOWEVER I feel he is a big player in the game and his behavior/judgement and even his business ventures have helped 'enable' others to go down with him and of that there is no question. I seriously doubt he is the only player to be involved in this but he is the only one stupid and/or unlucky enough to get caught with his pants down.
 
Yeah, he'll get what's coming to him from both the NFL & the US judicial system, I just would rather they take their time & get it right rather than rushing b/c when that happens, it opens the door to even more opportunities for the guy to weasel out of whatever role he played in this whole thing.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah, he'll get what's coming to him from both the NFL & the US judicial system, I just would rather they take their time & get it right rather than rushing b/c when that happens, it opens the door to even more opportunities for the guy to weasel out of whatever role he played in this whole thing.
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I hear ya and agree. Whether he goes to jail or not is really none of my business. May the best lawyer win. I just dont want criminal elements to continue to dominate the news about the NFL. The line must be drawn that association with and the enabling/funding of criminal elements (family or friend) must not be allowed. I love my NFL and Vick is bringing the league down into the sewers with this type of behavior.
 
Porky said:
This guy is two peas in a pod with that rotten DA in the Duke rape case. This guy has about as much credibility as Paris Hilton at a MENSA convention. Thank Goodness the Feds have moved in. If I lived in Surry County, I would want an investigation opened into this guys motives, as they sure as hell aren't with the taxpayers.
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Nice :cool:


What do Poindexter, Mike Nifong, and Ray Nagin all have in common?

They are using high profile incidents to get re-elected versus doing their job correctly.
 
Second Honeymoon said:
Upwards of three dozen dog carcasses were found buried during a federal search of the property.
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Vick better call up Paris Hilton's psychiatrist for tips on medical conditions to get out of jail. If those are adult dogs rather than pups there is no excuse for a legitimate breeding operation having those kinds of loses.

To save Mr.Tex a post--of course Vick's cousin could have buried all the dogs.

To save me a post--at least under Virginia law Vick didn't have to know about the dog fighting or participate in it so long as it happened on his property.

Wonder if Atlanta will take a shot at Culpepper now?
 
infantrycak said:
Wonder if Atlanta will take a shot at Culpepper now?
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That would seem to make sense. I wonder how long they sit on the MV issue before moving on Pep? If they do, that will be a pretty good indicator of how they think it is going to go.
 
infantrycak said:
Vick better call up Paris Hilton's psychiatrist for tips on medical conditions to get out of jail. If those are adult dogs rather than pups there is no excuse for a legitimate breeding operation having those kinds of loses.

To save Mr.Tex a post--of course Vick's cousin could have buried all the dogs.

To save me a post--at least under Virginia law Vick didn't have to know about the dog fighting or participate in it so long as it happened on his property.

Wonder if Atlanta will take a shot at Culpepper now?
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and the wheels keep on turning....

will Joey or Shockley start getting more reps? the Falcons brass needs to start looking at contingency plans and worse case scenarios because they are becoming more and more likely. Would the evidence gathered be officially sealed and not made available/usable by NFL Security? These are the questions the Falcons brass needs to be asking themselves. Do they just stay the course with Vick as the defacto starter or do they look at things realistically and see that they may not have Vick for the forseeable future?

Eventually Blank or the NFL needs to take a stand. The NFL doesn't need this stuff right about now. The precedent was set with PacMan. The best thing to happen would be for Vick to fess up, cooperate with the investigation, and let his lawyers and $$ save his arse and throw himself on the mercy of the NFL. This lowers the damage to the NFL and he may get some leniency (probably still a year ban) in that case.
 
infantrycak said:
Vick better call up Paris Hilton's psychiatrist for tips on medical conditions to get out of jail. If those are adult dogs rather than pups there is no excuse for a legitimate breeding operation having those kinds of loses.

To save Mr.Tex a post--of course Vick's cousin could have buried all the dogs.

To save me a post--at least under Virginia law Vick didn't have to know about the dog fighting or participate in it so long as it happened on his property.

Wonder if Atlanta will take a shot at Culpepper now?
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It also depends on the condition of the carcuses, assuming that can be ascertained, which I think easily could with modern foresincs, and depending on the age of the deceased canines. Looks like game, set, match for Vick.

Poor things suffered at the hands of this animal aka Vick and his cronies. I say drop the hammer. Lifetime NFL suspension for Vick plus jailtime for him and all his cronies. We need to send a STRONG message to the rest of these losers.
 
TigerV1 said:
Oh I completely agree with you, I was just saying that I am leaning towards Poindexter not taking action because he wants to keep his job. He wants people to think he is doing what he can, but his hands are tied. Blah blah blah... I am a little curious as to why he is turning this into a race issue. Is it really about race or is it about right vs wrong?

Profootballtalk:
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This quote of Poindexter still bothers me. Something isn't right. Okay, let me just ask it, because it's been bugging me all day. I kind of assumed this guy is white because of the name. Seems like your normal Euro name. Does anyone know if he is black? Honestly, bizarre racial statements like that usually only come from the Jesse Jackson's and other race baitors of this world. If he is black, then that explains ALOT of the foot dragging, and statements like this. If not, then I am still scratching my head. There has to be a conspiracy here somewhere. Time for the tinfoil hat. :tinfoil:
 
Porky said:
It also depends on the condition of the carcuses, assuming that can be ascertained, which I think easily could with modern foresincs, and depending on the age of the deceased canines. Looks like game, set, match for Vick.
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Forensics are going to be a lagniappe if those are adult dogs, but I agree overall.

Porky--to answer your question, Pointdexter is black.
 
infantrycak said:
Forensics are going to be a lagniappe if those are adult dogs, but I agree overall.

Porky--to answer your question, Pointdexter is black.
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LOL. Okay, my spidey senses were really tingling on that one. I had no idea. But, it sure explains his behavior. Thank goodness the feds moved in on this incompetent loser.
 
infantrycak said:
Vick better call up Paris Hilton's psychiatrist for tips on medical conditions to get out of jail. If those are adult dogs rather than pups there is no excuse for a legitimate breeding operation having those kinds of loses.

To save Mr.Tex a post--of course Vick's cousin could have buried all the dogs.
To save me a post--at least under Virginia law Vick didn't have to know about the dog fighting or participate in it so long as it happened on his property.

Wonder if Atlanta will take a shot at Culpepper now?
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LOL, funny. They still have to put him at an actual dog fight in that house though, that will seal the deal...
 
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