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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

bah007 said:
A lot of them this year, actually.
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Name them and claim 'em. I am very disappointed in this year's crop as far as starting material. Some are LTs only like Kouandijo and others will have a NFL career as guards. Antonio Richardson could move to RT and maybe survive but imo would not beat out Newton. JuWuan James is only pure right tackle that could start day one. I also am interested in Moses but think he needs a year unless we go to a pure power O.

I think many are going to be surprised if Newton comes back 100% healthy.

Cyril Richardson now a OG would thrive at RT imo but would probably be day one starter replacing Smith if selected.


:tiphat:
 
thunderkyss said:
Honestly......... sounds like he's talking about Case Keenum.



I have a feeling we're going to be in for a long, long season. Or short, depending when you decide to check out.
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I was just saying in the college football forum that BOB might just target his own boy at Penn St.
After all, the guy graded out higher than Jaimeis Winston (out of highschool).

So a vet with a 2-yr contract isn't far-fetch.
 
badboy said:
Name them and claim 'em. I am very disappointed in this year's crop as far as starting material. Some are LTs only like Kouandijo and others will have a NFL career as guards. Antonio Richardson could move to RT and maybe survive but imo would not beat out Newton. JuWuan James is only pure right tackle that could start day one. I also am interested in Moses but think he needs a year unless we go to a pure power O.

I think many are going to be surprised if Newton comes back 100% healthy.

Cyril Richardson now a OG would thrive at RT imo but would probably be day one starter replacing Smith if selected.


:tiphat:
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whereabout does Richardson rate?
I'd like to trade down to get him and trade away for a future pick, or two.
Take a RT in the second or early third.
I would build an O-line and trade away for as many future picks as possible for the next franchise QB either next year or in 2015.
BOB has a bit of a leeway as a new HC, and the QB pipe looks stronger down the road.
 
badboy said:
Name them and claim 'em. I am very disappointed in this year's crop as far as starting material. Some are LTs only like Kouandijo and others will have a NFL career as guards. Antonio Richardson could move to RT and maybe survive but imo would not beat out Newton. JuWuan James is only pure right tackle that could start day one. I also am interested in Moses but think he needs a year unless we go to a pure power O.

I think many are going to be surprised if Newton comes back 100% healthy.

Cyril Richardson now a OG would thrive at RT imo but would probably be day one starter replacing Smith if selected.


:tiphat:
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If Cedric Ogbuehi was coming out from A&M this season I would take him in the second no questions asked (depending on how the draft has shaken out to that point). Lots of talent there. Oggie will likely stay to showcase his talents at LT much like Mathews got to move to LT after Joeckel left.
 
76Texan said:
whereabout does Richardson rate?
I'd like to trade down to get him and trade away for a future pick, or two.
Take a RT in the second or early third.
I would build an O-line and trade away for as many future picks as possible for the next franchise QB either next year or in 2015.
BOB has a bit of a leeway as a new HC, and the QB pipe looks stronger down the road.
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Late first but imo LT only
 
htownfan32 said:
If Cedric Ogbuehi was coming out from A&M this season I would take him in the second no questions asked (depending on how the draft has shaken out to that point). Lots of talent there. Oggie will likely stay to showcase his talents at LT much like Mathews got to move to LT after Joeckel left.
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Agreed but smarter to do a Matthews and grade up
 
76Texan said:
We have the off-season now.
Would you care to go through each of his pass attempts while I go through each of the opponent QBs' pass attempts (and Schaub's for that matter), to validate your claim?
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That claim is validated by the fact that HHWNBM could complete 72% of his passes in this same offense in his first year playing in it while Keenum cant top 60% after two full seasons.


He made some plays no doubt but the majority were when the defense broke down and he escaped pressure. He seldom made the routine plays that move the sticks.

Plain and simple , Keenum couldn't read pre snap nor post snap defenses. Go back and check every play if you like .... You'll see how many easy throws he didn't make.


Keenum would have been a great story ..... but this one has no Hollywood ending.
 
This should go into the college football forum, but just a head-up, google for "Jacob Park football". There are quite a few videos on this high school senior who was named Mr S. Car football.

There's a highlight clip of him as a Jr in highschool.

Looks like a cross between Luck/RG III/Wilson.

He's listed at 6'4 but may be 6'3.
I saw him between 208-235 (I gues it depends on the time when it was listed.)

And he's only rated between 5-9 at his position.
He makes moves that even Luck can't pull off.
And his arm is already really good, considering the tape was for his Junior year in HS.

The future pipe is looking good.
 
Corrosion said:
That claim is validated by the fact that HHWNBM could complete 72% of his passes in this same offense in his first year playing in it while Keenum cant top 60% after two full seasons.


He made some plays no doubt but the majority were when the defense broke down and he escaped pressure. He seldom made the routine plays that move the sticks.

Plain and simple , Keenum couldn't read pre snap nor post snap defenses. Go back and check every play if you like .... You'll see how many easy throws he didn't make.


Keenum would have been a great story ..... but this one has no Hollywood ending.
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I did check every play many times both for the Texans QBs as well as the opponents.

QBs will miss a read here and there, especially first time starters.

Carr's rookie completion pct was 52.5, AYA was 4.7, which means a lot of dinks and dunks.
His 2006 numbers were 68.3, and 5.5, but that was his fifth year in the NFL, all as starter. He threw for 11 TDs and 12 INTs.

Case's numbers read 54.2, and 6.6, 9 TDs and 6 INTs.
(Including the bounced-off INT.)

So which numbers do you like ?
 
76Texan said:
So which numbers do you like ?
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HWWNBM's numbers his first year in Kubiak's offense. Clearly better than those of Keenum this year at least in terms of completion percentage and extending drives.


My point was that BOTH of them SUCK at playing QB in the NFL.


If you went back and watched every play from Keenum this season , you'd realize the facts - He cant read an NFL defense. He didn't just miss a read here and there .... He missed the routine plays. He had no clue about protection scheme's either ... overload on one side (not a blitz) and he couldn't make the hot read and get rid of the ball.

Yeah , he made a few plays when he escaped pressure .... but those were few and far between once defenses realized all they had to do was blitz him ... those pretty much went the way of the Dodo.


I had high hopes for Keenum at one time too ..... but they were unrealistic. I'm glad he got his shot but its over , other than maybe as a backup.
 
unless BOB AKA bill o brein who I will now call BOB from now on


unless he sees something I don't see a Franchise QB in this draft so I would trade down or just use the pick on DEF

then I guess has of right now we would be stuck with whoever is the cheapest QB we have right now IDK if that's Keenum or Scahub or yates
 
Norg said:
then I guess has of right now we would be stuck with whoever is the cheapest QB we have right now IDK if that's Keenum or Scahub or yates
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None of those guy's are options to start for this team next season .... its either a FA (Probably not Cutler as he'll cost too much) or an early draft pick.
 
Well, after watching Bridgewater in his bowl game, and after watching the Chick-Fil-A Bowl . . . I would say if they can't trade down, and are stuck with 1.1, . .

. . . I would roll the dice with Manziel. His passion, his mobility, but above else, that quick release, pretty much has me sold.
 
Corrosion said:
None of those guy's are options to start for this team next season .... its either a FA (Probably not Cutler as he'll cost too much) or an early draft pick.
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why are none of these guys options its not like we are making the playoffs next season so yeah

I for one say we should keep Matt if it saves us money
 
I personally like the idea of taking OT Jake Matthews tackle from Texas A&M & solidifying the offensive line which was another big problem this year. He can begin life as the RT & when Duane Brown gets older or begins to break down can eventually take over that slot & they would switch at that point.

This would enable us to take a QB in the second round basically best available but he will have a solid line in front of him that will aid in the running & passing game as opposed to picking a QB in the first round & then having no run game on the right side nor protection either.

I would be fine with the QBs looking to go in the second round such as A.J. McCarron or someone who may slip out of the first round. This type of philosophy sets up better in all facets as our running backs & QB are better & we may even consider trading a 3rd rounder to Washington for Kirk Cousins. We have tons of options but I feel the safer pick & the best for any team is to always develop the offensive & defensive lines. Jadavian Clowney is great but too many off the field issues & a lack of motor on the field makes him feel less JJ Watt more Mario Williams.

my 2 cents
 
Borowicz50 said:
I personally like the idea of taking OT Jake Matthews tackle from Texas A&M & solidifying the offensive line which was another big problem this year. He can begin life as the RT & when Duane Brown gets older or begins to break down can eventually take over that slot & they would switch at that point.

This would enable us to take a QB in the second round basically best available but he will have a solid line in front of him that will aid in the running & passing game as opposed to picking a QB in the first round & then having no run game on the right side nor protection either.

I would be fine with the QBs looking to go in the second round such as A.J. McCarron or someone who may slip out of the first round. This type of philosophy sets up better in all facets as our running backs & QB are better & we may even consider trading a 3rd rounder to Washington for Kirk Cousins. We have tons of options but I feel the safer pick & the best for any team is to always develop the offensive & defensive lines. Jadavian Clowney is great but too many off the field issues & a lack of motor on the field makes him feel less JJ Watt more Mario Williams.

my 2 cents
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No matter what Jake Matthews or any guy who will play RT for us is not worth a first round pick at all much less the first overall. Find a guy to compete with Newton and the rest in the 2nd or 3rd at earliest.
 
Ryan said:
No matter what Jake Matthews or any guy who will play RT for us is not worth a first round pick at all much less the first overall. Find a guy to compete with Newton and the rest in the 2nd or 3rd at earliest.
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So .... who do you take at 1:1..... assuming you don't believe in the QB's available (which I don't) and you are unable to trade back.

Clowney's pretty much a joke ... LOL @ more speeding tickets than sacks ....

Hard to justify Matthews (I was on that ship for a while).


No one else has separated themselves yet - tho its early pre combine.

Mariota is staying in school , Johnny Football is difficult to forecast as an NFL talent , Bridgewater played against a bunch of scrubs and has piss poor mechanics .... Mettenberger & Murray have injury questions and McCarron is difficult at best to diagnose .... then again he could be this drafts Aaron Rogers.

Barr .... meh.

Do you take one of those questionable QB talents with huge bust potential over one of those position players like Mosley (best football player in this draft) who may lock down their position for a decade at a probowl level ?!

This is flat out the wrong year to have the #1 pick .....
 
I'm going to let the RT in the first round at all thing slide.

Ok no I'm not, even before the new rookie CBA teams were taking RT prospects from pick 20 on. Sure these teams were usually already established, but still.

Personally I'd like to pry Cassel away from the Vikings somehow. That way we'll have at least 1 vet QB with experience dealing with O'Brien.

Bridgewater
Cassel
Keenum
 
281 said:
... Piss poor mechanics? Bridgewater is pretty damn polished.
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Apparently you haven't watched him throw the ball. Its like he is playing cricket, or trying to get the last out with a submarine slider at times. He rarely, from what I have seen personally, demonstrates the prototypical over-the-top mechanics that QB's are taught. He is an "athlete", nothing more. Will not be a star in the NFL.
 
kingtexan said:
Apparently you haven't watched him throw the ball. Its like he is playing cricket, or trying to get the last out with a submarine slider at times. He rarely from what I have seen personally demonstrates the prototypical over-the-top mechanics that QB's are taught. He is an "athlete", nothing more. Will not be a star in the NFL.
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LOL. Wow. Are YOU watching him play? I'll admit that his throwing motion is a little different, but to say he has "piss poor mechanics" couldn't be more inaccurate. He EASILY has the best footwork / accuracy in this draft.
 
281 said:
LOL. Wow. Are YOU watching him play? I'll admit that his throwing motion is a little different, but to say he has "piss poor mechanics" couldn't be more inaccurate. He EASILY has the best footwork / accuracy in this draft.
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He is a good college QB, but the eye test shows his mechanics aren't great, and frankly his accuracy numbers are helped out by the receivers adjusting. Not to the extent that Schaub had ridiculous number mirages because of all his receivers bailing him out, but at times TB throws them up and has the talent go get them.
 
kingtexan said:
He is a good college QB, but the eye test shows his mechanics aren't great, and frankly his accuracy numbers are helped out by the receivers adjusting. Not to the extent that Schaub had ridiculous number mirages because of all his receivers bailing him out, but at times TB throws them up and has the talent go get them.
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lol Bridgewater puts the ball where only his receivers can get it.
 
Corrosion said:
HWWNBM's numbers his first year in Kubiak's offense. Clearly better than those of Keenum this year at least in terms of completion percentage and extending drives.


My point was that BOTH of them SUCK at playing QB in the NFL.


If you went back and watched every play from Keenum this season , you'd realize the facts - He cant read an NFL defense. He didn't just miss a read here and there .... He missed the routine plays. He had no clue about protection scheme's either ... overload on one side (not a blitz) and he couldn't make the hot read and get rid of the ball.

Yeah , he made a few plays when he escaped pressure .... but those were few and far between once defenses realized all they had to do was blitz him ... those pretty much went the way of the Dodo.


I had high hopes for Keenum at one time too ..... but they were unrealistic. I'm glad he got his shot but its over , other than maybe as a backup.
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It should be easy for you to give a few dozens of examples?
 
Norg said:
unless he sees something I don't see a Franchise QB in this draft so I would trade down or just use the pick on DEF
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I wouldn't say there are no franchise QBs, just not any sure things. Bridgewater, Manziel, Mariotta (if he declares), Hundley could all be franchise QBs.

I just wouldn't pay a #1 overall for them. I'd be just as happy with Hundley at 12 as I would be with Bridgewater at 5.
 
I want Bridgewater but I'll trust O'Brien to make the right call and decide who is right if we draft one over any poster on any message board.
 
Ryan said:
No matter what Jake Matthews or any guy who will play RT for us is not worth a first round pick at all much less the first overall. Find a guy to compete with Newton and the rest in the 2nd or 3rd at earliest.
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What if we switch to a more traditional power run game? What if Duane Brown isn't good enough outside the ZBS? What if O'Brien already "knows" that?

So instead of drafting a RT, he's looking to draft a "better" LT?

I like Brown, but he's not the best guy to ever play the position. He had a down year in 2013, what if that's as good as it gets from here out? For some medical reason...

I understand we just signed him to a bunch of money, but starting him at LT because we paid him a lot of money is the same folly as starting Schaub because we paid him a lot of money.

I'm not saying that Jake Matthews or Taylor Lewan can beat out Duane Brown. But if they can, it improves our OL a lot better than just an upgrade at RT. We'll dominate at the point of attack.

Then we draft a Brees, Dalton, Kaepernick, or Wilson in the second which is just as likely as drafting the next Rogers, Roethlisberger, or Rivers in the first.
 
At this point I see a bunch of QB's who all have a chance to develop into a franchise QB or if things don't work out as expected they could develop into the next color-commentary guy for their schools football radio broadcasts. No sure things but plenty of potential.

I don't want to say that I'm drunk on the BOB Kool-aid but I'm satisfied that he'll pick the best candidate for what he wants to do and he'll make that pick as much based on the football IQ of the guy as anything we're seeing in highlights on Youtube.

Bill's got this. I'm fine with whoever he decides to go with.
 
Hervoyel said:
At this point I see a bunch of QB's who all have a chance to develop into a franchise QB or if things don't work out as expected they could develop into the next color-commentary guy for their schools football radio broadcasts. No sure things but plenty of potential.

I don't want to say that I'm drunk on the BOB Kool-aid but I'm satisfied that he'll pick the best candidate for what he wants to do and he'll make that pick as much based on the football IQ of the guy as anything we're seeing in highlights on Youtube.

Bill's got this. I'm fine with whoever he decides to go with.
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This is pretty much where I'm at also. Everything else is slingblade hand-wringing. The year JJ Watt was drafted I heard lots of moaning and griping...the year 0k0ye was drafted I heard lots of satisfied musings and the all knowing head nods.
 
I agree with the sentiment that BOB will have a good idea of who he wants. My guess is that guy will be Bridgewater. From what I understand he lost some weight because he had reconstructive jaw surgery to fix a severe overbite prior to last season so he wasnt able to eat enough.

If he gains 25 lbs to be closer to 240 I think he'll be fine durability wise. He's got real good touch on the passes I've seen, doesn't seem to throw INTs and has really good pocket presence.

I'm not sure about Blake Bortles. Fiesta Bowl will be the first time I'll see him. I see him as being the #2 behind Bridgewater right now.

I highly doubt Manziel will be a Texan.
 
Probably McGloin, given the way I feel about this coaching hire.

Sorry, I ain't buying into the Obrien hype. Let someone else
experiment with a guy that has ZERO NFL head coaching experience

TJ
 
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Teddy Bridgewater is Texan worthy, just so happens they need a QB & have the first selection overall in the 2014 NFL Draft http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap20...-draft-order-top-three-needs-for-all-32-teams
 
Can anyone post a more credible critique of Bridgewaters "piss poor mechanics" because apart from his ability to diagnose a defense, his footwork, quick release, velocity, pocket awareness and accuracy are way better than any QB in college football not named Winston. Do people really believe an exaggerated over the top release like Hundley is ideal all of the time? I prefer a guy who can make multiple angle deliveries.
 
speedfreek said:
Probably McGloin, given the way I feel about this coaching hire.

Sorry, I ain't buying into the Obrien hype. Let someone else
experiment with a guy that has ZERO NFL head coaching experience

TJ
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You'd rather a bad coach that has already proven he's a failure?
 
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