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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

Here are some who will be available:

Derek Anderson
Jimmy Clausen
Jay Cutler
Jordan Palmer
Josh McCown
Trent Edwards
Shaun Hill
Matt Flynn
Seneca Wallace
Chad Henne
Pat Devlin
Joe Webb
Josh Freeman
Luke McCown
Curtis Painter
David Garrard
Michael Vick
Charlie Whitehurst
Tarvaris Jackson
Colt McCoy
Kellen Clemens
Dan Orlovsky
Rusty Smith
Rex Grossman


Besides Cutler none of these guy really do anything for me. :kitten:
 
Derek Carr? Only slightly joking. Very talented but struggles when pressured (where have I heard that before). He was going as high as #3 in mocks before that ugly bowl game against USC.

Bridgewater is obviously the #1 prospect going into the draft process and is the favorite to go #1 overall. I don't want any part of Manziel and his prima donna ***** attitude.
 
76Texan said:
I don't think Cutler is doable; it will make it very hard to resign Watt down the road.
He will want at least a two-year contract with quite a bit in guaranteed money up front.
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He's a 30 year old QB trying to sell his potential. He's not going to get "quite a bit" up front. No one is going to sign him as their starter for more than 2 years.

I think a fair offer would be 2 years, $25M guaranteed. I'd give him a $5M signing bonus, $5M salary, a roster bonus for 2015 & the rest in salary.

We're on the hook for $7.5M this year (that would be his cap number) & $2.5M next year if we cut him & go with Bridgewater, Manziel, Bortles, or whoever from then on.

That would have no effect on signing Watt & we're basically using the money gained by cutting Schaub.

At the most, where ever he goes (unless Chicago really pulls out the stupid) he won't have a cap number over $10M for the 2014 season. But I don't think he'll get that kind of offer. For Jay, this is his last chance to prove he's worth the kind of contract Matt signed 2 years ago.
 
pirbroke said:
I would bring in Colt McCoy,
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Colt McCoy is a broken QB at this point. Watched him twice in the preseason and he was terrible. Josh Freeman would be an interesting guy for to work with if his mind is right. Josh McCown and Chad Henne are 2 guys I wouldn't be just too upset with.

We're drafting a QB of the future. Whatever guy that comes in off the street at QB has to understand that the youngster may start from day 1 and be cool with it.

I don't know where the Manziel stuff is coming from. Enjoy watching him, but I can't see him here.
 
I like Tahj Boyd. We can get Clowney or Barr in the first. They are way more of a sure thing than Bridgewater who i still consider untested. He plays with inferior teammates and inferior competition. There will be a learning curve for him idc what the scouts say.

Then address oline with the next pick and take a flyer on a Tahj in the 3rd. Won't have to pay him much first few seasons and if he sucks oh well next years draft is really talented also. He is just as accurate if not more, more mobile and a better frame than bridgewater. He could be the wilson of 2k14, a talented qb flying under the radar. He's also performed well in some big pressure games.
 
How about bringing in nothing but running QB's, bring Vick in for cheap and some young similar style QB's for backup. But this time we will tell them to run all the time, even have design run plays for them. And when one goes down with injuries just throw in the next one. Don't try to protect them at all, use their strengths unlike all the other teams. That would give defenses fits.
 
False Start said:
Here are some who will be available:

Derek Anderson
Jimmy Clausen
Jay Cutler
Jordan Palmer
Josh McCown
Trent Edwards
Shaun Hill
Matt Flynn
Seneca Wallace
Chad Henne
Pat Devlin
Joe Webb
Josh Freeman
Luke McCown
Curtis Painter
David Garrard
Michael Vick
Charlie Whitehurst
Tarvaris Jackson
Colt McCoy
Kellen Clemens
Dan Orlovsky
Rusty Smith
Rex Grossman


Besides Cutler none of these guy really do anything for me. :kitten:
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None of those guys do anything for me, including Cutler.

IF there's a QB you like, then you draft him and you let him learn on the field.

If there's NOT a QB you like, then you go with Keenum and suck for a year and get a shot at one of the QBs coming out next year. And/or you could also draft one of the later round QBs and hope you catch lightning in a bottle like the Seahawks did.

I'm not totally sold on Bridgewater, yet, but I'm hopeful.
 
Since I think we're still in "win now" mode, I'd try to get Cutler and I'd draft AJ McCarron for the future.

If it's financially possible, that is.
 
Corrosion said:
Keenum simply can not read defenses .... That's his fatal flaw.
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We have the off-season now.
Would you care to go through each of his pass attempts while I go through each of the opponent QBs' pass attempts (and Schaub's for that matter), to validate your claim?
 
JCTexan said:
If you want a franchise QB, which I do, I would take one in the draft. I'm in the Bridgewater or Bortles boat.
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There are at least a half a dozen QBs that have the potential to be elite QBs. The trouble is, they all have the potential to be busts as well.

The New Coach, Smith and McNair will collectively decide if any of them has sufficient potential to keep the 1-1 pick rather than trade down and get a less risky player (BPA) which would probably meet an area of need. There are still QBs deciding whether they will enter this draft who might even be better than the current crop of QB prospects, but even if in the same good , but not great category, would make one of the group available with 2-1 or a Trade Down to later in Round 1.

Bridgewater
Bortles
Carr
Manziel
McCarron
Mettenberger
Fales
Smith
Garoppolo
Boyd
Murray
Maybe others

Only five or six teams are looking for a starting QB. A good one will be available, probably as late as round 3 or 4 with nearly the potential of the top choice.

If the Front office decides their guy is one without the hype, then they can get low risk protection by trading down, pick up more draft picks and STILL get their guy. But things are fluid. Just yesterday, Cleveland's desire for Carr became a moot point when their HC was fired. This would have been a great trade partner. Trade down to 1-4, pick up say 1-26 and 2-36, and still have at least one of the following available: Bridgewater, Matthews, Clowney or Barr. Assuming they were going for Carr, there would be a choice of at least two. With Jacksonville likely going for QB, we would probably still have a choice of three of those while still getting one of the group of closely rated QBs and with additional early picks in a draft with good depth overall.

Good trade partners in order:

St Louis - 1-2; 1-13; 2-45; 3-77 This only works if they target a specific player and we make it known that we MIGHT take that player. But a move down to 1-2 also keeps us the key player for further trades as moving further down puts
St Louis a better trading partner.

Cleveland - 1-4; 1-26; 2-36; 3-68; 3-79 They collected draft picks under the old regime. A new HC will want immediate impact if he wants a second season and would use these picks for an impact player.

Minnesota - They need a QB and are drafting 8th after four other teams with QB needs. If they want one of the heralded picks, they might want to move up. Unfortunately, they have no extra picks to trade and we would need more to move down further. Perhaps this is where we trade for picks in future years as well as swapping picks this year and an additional pick or two this season.

Jacksonville and Tennessee also might want QBs, but being division rivals would not make likely trade partners.
 
Playoffs said:
Whoever Bill O'Brien decides on. He's a QB coach, OC.

Whoever he sees as the guy I'll support -- since "B.O." knows football, and I'm in my armchair.
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I might get more excited if BO'B decides a Mettenberger or Bortles or Garoppolo is the guy, just because he'd be trusting himself instead of going with the consensus. But sometimes the consensus is right.
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Bill O'Brien said:
I'm gonna stick with Schaub, he is the real deal
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Playoffs said:
Damn!
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man I didn't know there was a "Garoppolo" in the QB mix, funniest name I've ever heard... that's my guy for sure!
 
drs23 said:
First bolded: DAYUM, how long does it take then TK?

Second:

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I wouldn't mind Schaub returning for $1M AFTER he is cut and we lose his $14M salary and take the $10M Dead Money hit to net the $4M cap savings this year and the millions in Future Salary in his current contract. But I'm also just as happy to keep Keenum and have a 'competition' in camp.
 
burro said:
I must have misunderstood his contract; in this case you definitely cut him. As I said, QB #2 will be irrelevant if we go QB with the first pick. Whatever is good for the cap.
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Why would you want to extend $7M of the Cap hit into 2015 when we need the space for Watt's extension? Take the hit THIS YEAR. The June 1 designation doesn't reduce the Cap hit, it only spreads it over two years. We can't afford to rob Peter to pay Paul anymore because Peter is too valuable.
 
People are still mentioning Keenum as a starting NFL QB?

Short, can't read a defense, and didn't win a single start this year.

I'd much rather have a guy like Sanchez, Freeman, or even Ponder backing up a rookie QB. None of them are NFL starters, but they can win a few games for you if the rookie gets hurt
 
Texn4life said:
Colt McCoy is a broken QB at this point. Watched him twice in the preseason and he was terrible. Josh Freeman would be an interesting guy for to work with if his mind is right. Josh McCown and Chad Henne are 2 guys I wouldn't be just too upset with.

We're drafting a QB of the future. Whatever guy that comes in off the street at QB has to understand that the youngster may start from day 1 and be cool with it.
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The way I'm looking at it is I'm trying to find our next starter & possibly franchise QB. We don't have a starter right now & though it would be nice to have a franchise QB, finding one in this draft is just as likely as finding one in last year's draft, or the 2011 draft.

In the event that Bridgewater is not a franchise QB, or even a starter, we're not totally screwed. Say we find out Cutler has 3 good years left in him. Or Freeman figured it out. Or... that Case isn't a lost cause.

I want three reasonable attempts at finding starter, one good attempt at finding a franchise QB. If they determine Bridgewater is a franchise guy, but isn't ready to start, but Colt (not that I think we should start Colt, but guys like Cutler, Freeman, McCown, & Flynn have shown they can) is, then the powers that be need to determine the best course of action to develop our franchise QB & win at the same time.

Was the Chargers mistake choosing Rivers over Brees? Or choosing Norv over Tomlin, Payton, McCarthy, Coughlin (not that they had a shot at him) or Harbaugh (not that they had a shot at him). It's more likely, in my mind, that one of those coaches would have won a Super Bowl in San Diego by now with Rivers, than Brees winning one with Norv Turner.

The Titans, Jags, & Vikings... their problem was trying to turn Locker, Gabbert, & Ponder into something they're not.

Texn4life said:
I don't know where the Manziel stuff is coming from. Enjoy watching him, but I can't see him here.
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None of the QBs mentioned so far fit the mold of what is considered a "franchise" QB. Johnny, imo, is the only one who offers the play-making ability to offset his shortcomings... but, again- in my mind - not enough to warrant the #1 overall selection. Not enough to pass on legitimate elite talent.
 
Freeman intrigues me. He had a good year, then something went wrong. I wonder if it was coaching. But I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. This really isn't the time to start taking chances on guys, and that includes Cutler, who has reached his ceiling and is only going to go downhill.

We'll take Teddy with the first pick and let Obie mold him. I would rather go Clowney first and get a QB in the second round, but I think QB need is exaggerated this year because of the dumpster fire rotation of Schaub and Keenum.
 
IlliniJen said:
Freeman intrigues me. He had a good year, then something went wrong. I wonder if it was coaching. But I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole. This really isn't the time to start taking chances on guys, and that includes Cutler, who has reached his ceiling and is only going to go downhill.

We'll take Teddy with the first pick and let Obie mold him. I would rather go Clowney first and get a QB in the second round, but I think QB need is exaggerated this year because of the dumpster fire rotation of Schaub and Keenum.
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I strongly agree.
 
Bobby Boucher is available. I'll take him.:kitten:

If he won't sign, I'll take Josh McCown as my FA vet signing. Then I take Teddy Bridge Over Troubled Water to be my future star.

Josh looked pretty damn good taking over for Jay Cutler. I know he is getting up there but that's the point. I think he can be the bridge to the real bridge, while giving the Texans the luxury of not forcing the rookie to play before he is ready.

He is from Texas, so that is an advantage as well. I think he would sign here knowing that he is the short term present so I think the pecking order would be well set, and I think Bridge could learn from Josh who is in his mid 30's and been around a lot. Let Bridge hold a clipboard and learn until he is ready whenever that may be.

I keep Case around as my #3, and when Josh retires at the end of 2014 or 2015, Case moves to the #2 spot if all goes well.
 
drs23 said:
First bolded: DAYUM, how long does it take then TK?
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They're just excuses, but Cutler has had some pretty good ones to explain why we haven't seen the best of Jay Cutler. I don't think he's ever had the same offensive coordinator for more than 2 years. He's been injured a lot. Chicago thought Devon Hester was a WR for a long time.

I don't believe Cutler can be a franchise QB, but I wouldn't be surprised & actually expect him to think that he can. But anyone who thinks we can't win with Cutler is trying to sell you something. They're afraid signing Cutler means we won't draft Bridgewater, or Bortles; that we'll miss on a franchise QB.

I'm saying we don't know that any of those guys will be a franchise QB. I'd be fine if the Texans pass on this class & targets one next year. At the same time, I'd be upset if they pass this year & next, or if their plan didn't work out & they couldn't position themselves next year to get a possible franchise guy.

Seattle didn't draft Russell Wilson expecting him to lead them to the play-offs, they signed Matt Flynn for that. San Francisco didn't draft Kaepernick with the expectation that he would take them to the NFC Championship game the following year. That was Alex Smith (who did the same thing the year before). The Colts weren't expecting to make the play-offs with Luck in his first season. Neither were the Redskins with Luck. They weren't expecting to win much at all.

If we don't hire a veteran QB who has won a number of games in the past; Cutler, Freeman, Flynn, Mallet.... then we're putting all our hopes in the "Bridgewater (or whoever) basket", content with the possibility that we'll have a losing season, or for some godforsaken reason think Case Keenum can win an NFL game.

I want a vet QB & a first/early second QB. If the Texans decide not to go that way, I'll pump the sunshine during the season, find some way to spin it.... but let it be known, right now I do not think it's conducive to winning & I won't think Bob, BO'b, or Smith are serious about winning.
 
i take keenum and a draft pick from the first 2 rounds into next year. my argument has been that keenum had all the tools but wasnt quite ready yet, most of that being he needed a full offseason higher on the depth chart to get a better grip on the playbook and situational repetitions. i still believe that, though he did show enough that i'm worried he might have some issues that keep him from reaching his potential.

as for the draft pick, my ideal would be to trade down. then either grab a quarterback with our first pick, or a higher rated position player and then trade back up into the mid/late first and get the quarterback.
 
thunderkyss said:
I want a vet QB & a first/early second QB. If the Texans decide not to go that way, I'll pump the sunshine during the season, find some way to spin it.... but let it be known, right now I do not think it's conducive to winning & I won't think Bob, BO'b, or Smith are serious about winning.
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So anyone who disagrees with your plan isn't serious about winning. My, such hubris.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Duh, Case Keenum of course! He's so boss, he will revolutionize how the position is played.
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LOL...I have no issue keeping Keenum as a #2, but nothing has convinced me that he has QB1 potential. But in saying that, if Obie sees something in him that can be turned into gold, then so be it, but I wouldn't put all my eggs in Case's basket.

Very few teams have more than one viable option at QB, so I would draft our future QB and let Obie assess what Case can actually do with some coaching and mentoring. Case was put in a very difficult position this season and once teams figured out that blitzing was all they needed to do to rattle the guy, his ability to play the position successfully was compromised, and we all know Kubiak did nothing to adjust to put him in a better position to make plays once he was figured out.

I'm excited about the future if Obie is our HC and believe we need to hit the reset button at QB. I don't honestly think our starting QB of next year is currently on the roster, but I'm not an NFL coach or talent scout. Bridgewater has shown he can make plays behind a bad OL...but I know nothing about his football smarts.

This offseason will be far more exciting than this season was.
 
There's much talk that the Bears may franchise Cutty. It makes financial sense for them as the tag is imagined to be in the area of 16.5ish million. That's not too far off from where his annual salary was with the Bears to begin with.

Even so, I've come to the realization that Cutler probably cannot be had for atleast $15 million and that is too steep for my taste.

I guess my quarterback for next year is Bridgewater... I'm scared. :hides:

You know, there's nothing stopping us from doing what the Redskins did when they took RGIII and simply draft two quarterbacks in there is another good one sitting there.
 
Corrosion said:
The biggest question to me is , who's our QB next year. Nothing else will have as big an impact on W's and L's.

So .... who ya got ?!
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1. Blake Bortles
2. Zach Mettenberger
3. Johnny Manziel
4. Teddy Bridgewater

(I think all go in the first round)
 
Texian said:
1. Blake Bortles
2. Zach Mettenberger
3. Johnny Manziel
4. Teddy Bridgewater

(I think all go in the first round)
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I'd take Bortles or Bridgewater. Manziel.... eh. Love him as an Aggie but can't really see him here, he seems like a guy destined to be an Oakland Raider or a Cleveland Brown.

Mettenberger looked great this year but that injury concerns me.
 
CretorFrigg said:
I'd like us to sign Cutler. If we do choose to draft a QB in the first round, he can take time to learn under a veteran QB. I also believe Cutler gives us the best opportunity to win next year. I can't see a rookie QB leading us to a Super Bowl.
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Sweet Mary...please no.
 
The more I think about it, I don't even know if there is going to be a QB worth using our second round pick on when we get there. I think we need to look at 3rd or 4th round QB unless someone drops to the 2nd that isn't supposed to. Really only 3 or 4 QB's that you could justify 1st or 2nd round grades on this year. Picking one at #1 would be ignorant. Go build the OL and DL/DB with the first two or three rounds, then get a QB.
 
I don't get it. The big knock against Mettenburger seems to be the knee injury, but then NOT have injury concerns with Cutler??

When has Cutler NOT been injured? Stop with this wanting to get Cutler here, as if he will miraculously become a more durable player, a player that will always answer the bell, hurting or not.

Cutler . . :thumbdown no thanks!
 
infantrycak said:
So anyone who disagrees with your plan isn't serious about winning. My, such hubris.
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If that's what your "law degree" gets out of my entire post..... whatever.

bigmck said:
Cutler isn't even the best QB on the Bears.
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Which is why he might be available & he's better than any QB we have on this team.

Marcus said:
When has Cutler NOT been injured? Stop with this wanting to get Cutler here, as if he will miraculously become a more durable player, a player that will always answer the bell, hurting or not.

Cutler . . :thumbdown no thanks!
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What if he can help us to 10 wins before he gets hurt? Then Bridgewater takes over after watching from the sideline for 14 weeks, plus a bye. His legend starts in the play-offs.

Cutler moves on. We move on.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I'm still holding out hope that Sage Rosenfels un-retires and leads the Texans to the promise land...
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Yeah, just tie some ropes to him and he can fly the team there.

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I hear the NSA recently looked into bringing him in to fly around with surveillance cameras. They think his contract would be less than the cost of high tech drones.
 
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