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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

_King_ said:
Not going to dispute anything you say here...but I will present another view....

If you are a tech geek and you had a chance to sit down with Steve jobs or if you aspire to be president one day and you got the chance to visit the president for a couple days in the white house...or if you wanted to be an actor and you got a chance to visit Leonardo dicaprio (sp)....or you were an aspiring singer and you got to spend time with Barry Gordy at Motown....would there be anything that would keep you from doing that?

Personally, it'd have to be pretty serious for me to not take advantage of an opportunity to not want to hang out with and maybe learn from someone considered to be among the best in my field.

Manziel and the manning passing camp. You love playing qb...eat, breathe, live football. But you get sick, of drunk, or over sleep, or whatever and miss that chance?

I don't know manziels soul, but surely you can understand why some people would have some questions about him in this area.
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Maybe he found out Peyton wasn't going to be there.
 
thunderkyss said:
Maybe he found out Peyton wasn't going to be there.
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"I enjoyed meeting Johnny. I can remember a 20-year-old Eli [Manning] missing a meeting and catching some flak. We always have counselors who leave early. Johnny was great with the campers for the time he was here. He had to leave early. I wish him the best and I want him to come back as a counselor next year."
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...ohnny-manziel-leaves-manning-quarterback-camp

For the record, I like manziel. I prefer bridgewater as I think he's the better player, but I do like manziel and I think he can be successful in the nfl on the right team. I think BOB can work with manziel, but I think he's going to lean towards bridgewater.
 
Corrosion said:
The biggest question to me is , who's our QB next year.

So .... who ya got ?!
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Game 1 starter could be TJ Yates.

He's tall, supposedly intelligent, average but accurate arm.

TJ ended up in Kubiak's doghouse... maybe he's not be a team player, I don't know... but everyone gets a restart with OB. And he costs 650k next year.
 
_King_ said:
Not going to dispute anything you say here...but I will present another view....

If you are a tech geek and you had a chance to sit down with Steve jobs or if you aspire to be president one day and you got the chance to visit the president for a couple days in the white house...or if you wanted to be an actor and you got a chance to visit Leonardo dicaprio (sp)....or you were an aspiring singer and you got to spend time with Barry Gordy at Motown....would there be anything that would keep you from doing that?

Personally, it'd have to be pretty serious for me to not take advantage of an opportunity to not want to hang out with and maybe learn from someone considered to be among the best in my field.

Manziel and the manning passing camp. You love playing qb...eat, breathe, live football. But you get sick, of drunk, or over sleep, or whatever and miss that chance?

I don't know manziels soul, but surely you can understand why some people would have some questions about him in this area.
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He was wrong there..... No arguing with you there whatsoever. I'd rather have him make a mistake in a meaningless camp than do it when preparing for a game though. There are no stories of partying on Johnny's partying during the season outside of the Scooby Doo outfit. Even then no one still saw him drinking. I said it in another thread that he's the modern day Joe Namath. Either you like it or you don't. I understand the people that don't. But there isn't any evidence that says he's not prepared or parties before its time to play.
 
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infantrycak said:
Do you have information that is the case or is this a useless maybe game?

Wouldn't that be a better reason than blaming AJ McCarron for a missed meeting?
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So it's ok to state as a fact that Manziel doesn't care for his craft, because he didn't want to spend time with Peyton Manning, but it's not ok to say "Maybe" Peyton wasn't even going to be there.


:ok:
 
Texn4life said:
Teddy has skills, and definitely possesses the work ethic and intelligence from all accounts. I'm concerned that he doesn't have that "IT" factor that's been discussed frequently here. There's only one QB who does, and stats don't normally tell the whole story with "IT" guys. Brady won the Super Bowl with stats that don't rival what he's done in his best years, but he came through when it counts.
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Brady didn't have the IT factor in college. He had problems just trying to win the starting QB position on his own team.

I just don't buy into "IT".
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Brady didn't have the IT factor in college. He had problems just trying to win the starting QB position on his own team.

I just don't buy into "IT".
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Exactly, how many players, including QB's that suppose to have the "IT" factor become huge busts? You would need more than the 10 fingers and toes you have now to count them all..

If they can play, no matter how big or small or fat or skinny, it will show up on the field...
 
WolverineFan said:
How was he average against UCF?
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Come on, Wovlerine. It isn't hard to figure out. It's commonly thought that if a quarterback goes 29/38 with a 76.3 completion percentage for 341 yards and 2 touchdowns with no interceptions that it is an 'average' outing. In fact, it kind of sucks!

:kitten:
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Brady didn't have the IT factor in college. He had problems just trying to win the starting QB position on his own team.

I just don't buy into "IT".
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Brady was a guy who surprised everyone...... I agree with you that some of the "IT" factor guys have busted like Leaf and Vince. But some guys have busted based on pure talent. Couch, Russell, Ponder, Locker, Gabbert....... These guys didn't have that something about them that struck you as special. They were drafted high because of their physical ability alone for the most part.

There isn't a science to this thing. I'm leaning (and I say leaning because I'm not all the way there yet) towards Manziel because I think he provides something skill set wise and energy wise that will give this team a boost. I think Teddy can too so don't think I'm not against the pick. We're only in January.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't understand this. The guy had issues in Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay has proven they very well could have been the problem. Josh Freeman is the prototypical size, has an NFL arm, & has shown flashes in the NFL. He is not a headcase, ala VY, or Jamarcus Russell. He does not bring the circus ala TeBow.

& we don't have a starting QB on our 2014 roster.

We're not suggesting Freeman is the future of the Texans, that would be Bridgewater, Bortles, Mettenberger, Boyd, or Thomas.

Freeman would have a one year platform to show the other NFL teams he can be a franchise QB.

Freeman, Keenum, & a rookie will compete for the starting job in camp. If Keenum wins, we cut Freeman. If Freeman wins, we cut Keenum. If the rookie wins, we cut the worst of the lot.

This way we're not handing the starting job, yet again, to someone who hasn't earned it. Our starting QB would be someone who has either won a game in the NFL, or beat out someone who had.
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How bad was the QB situation in Minnesota? They brought Freeman in and not only did he stink, he too it to a whole different level. I've seen what I need to see from Keenum and Freeman. 2 unknowns are better than those 2 IMO.
 
so, eveverybody has such strong feelings about bridgewater

either for or against

I never saw him play except for some highlight videos

which game would you suggest me to watch?

not necessarily his best game, the game that explains best his potential and limits

(even more than one if you want)
 
Sigma said:
so, eveverybody has such strong feelings about bridgewater

either for or against
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I'm not really for or against yet , I'm still in the evaluation stage with all the QB's .... Until the combine when we get some concrete answers to some of the questions we have on each , I'm trying to keep an open mind.

About the only question that we cant come up with a suitable answer / conclusion to is the strength of competition. Height , weight , hand size , 40 , arm strength and intelligence will be answered at the combine ....
 
its a Crab suit the combine and throwing passes in jim shorts will not tell us much look at brady no one graded him high


THey took Geno and EJ manual early yet TB took there QB in the 4th I gorgot his name and he did better then both of them
 
Norg said:
its a Crab suit the combine and throwing passes in jim shorts will not tell us much look at brady no one graded him high


THey took Geno and EJ manual early yet TB took there QB in the 4th I gorgot his name and he did better then both of them
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Crab suit? Jim shorts? gorgot? C'mon man, are you serious?
 
Like Corrosion said, there's still a long, long way to go and a lot of stuff to see and hear before we start to come to any real conclusions.

I like Bridgewater more than I like Manziel or Bortles at this point, but I don't hate any of them. I'm going to be interested in how well they all interview. I think O'Brien's going to put them on the whiteboard and quiz them to see which one he likes best and unfortunately, we're not going to be privy to that information.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Like Corrosion said, there's still a long, long way to go and a lot of stuff to see and hear before we start to come to any real conclusions.

I like Bridgewater more than I like Manziel or Bortles at this point, but I don't hate any of them. I'm going to be interested in how well they all interview. I think O'Brien's going to put them on the whiteboard and quiz them to see which one he likes best and unfortunately, we're not going to be privy to that information.
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Reason says we should be able to discern who impressed him/them and who didn't so much.
 
Sigma said:
so, eveverybody has such strong feelings about bridgewater

either for or against

I never saw him play except for some highlight videos

which game would you suggest me to watch?

not necessarily his best game, the game that explains best his potential and limits

(even more than one if you want)
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Here, have fun:

Teddy Bridgewater games:

2013 season in order of schedule (the ones I could find):

UL vs Ohio 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCXEwGsJUHc

UL vs Eastern Kentucky 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKSvFriM0PI

UL vs Kentucky 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZzmXxB64ec

UL vs FIU highlights 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z4sXiTw8zI

UL vs Houston 2013:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQKN-F6fk6I




2012 season in order of schedule (the ones I could find):

UL vs Kentucky 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQ_uMplUEY

UL vs UNC 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQ_uMplUEY

UL vs Pitt 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kkk0ZTRPDI

UL vs USF 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k922kI7X2qI

UL vs Cincy 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB5xvBbLszk

UL vs Temple 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ5uXu_TejM

UL vs Syracuse 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxxnyvJzt-4

UL vs UCON 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjkqprC7jYI

UL vs Rutgers 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELPwI9_y5U

UL vs Florida in the Sugar Bowl 2012:
http://youtu.be/VmyPaOy7OTs


Compilation highlight/Heisman video of TB. Worth a watch if you want to know some more about his personal life. Kubiak would definitely say he's a good kid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxA8zqa6MEg

Teddy Bridgewater's Story by ESPN (full segment):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lizVzzsbFQU

Found this video, it's kinda funny and I'm sure the critics will enjoy it. TB is terrible at sliding:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8KcWzu7LTI
 
Sigma said:
so, eveverybody has such strong feelings about bridgewater

either for or against

I never saw him play except for some highlight videos

which game would you suggest me to watch?

not necessarily his best game, the game that explains best his potential and limits

(even more than one if you want)
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The one game I would recommend is the one he lost against UCF.

1st Half

2nd Half
 
Gruden's QB Camp that he does should be interesting for us Texans fans this year. He normally puts them on the board. Its normally pretty remedial stuff though.
 
Sigma said:
so, eveverybody has such strong feelings about bridgewater

either for or against

I never saw him play except for some highlight videos

which game would you suggest me to watch?

not necessarily his best game, the game that explains best his potential and limits

(even more than one if you want)
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Watch the 2012 Sugar Bowl. Before you watch it, watch this 3 minute YouTube video explaining something lost on MANY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=593yI3rUbPE
 
What I find most funny is that the Texans brass is pretending that Matt Schaub doesn't even exist. I ALMOST kind of feel bad for the guy.
 
Texn4life said:
What I find most funny is that the Texans brass is pretending that Matt Schaub doesn't even exist. I ALMOST kind of feel bad for the guy.
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Be assured, he dun't. It's just a matter if they absorb his cap hit this year or spread it over the next two.

He's toast. :roast:
 
Texn4life said:
What I find most funny is that the Texans brass is pretending that Matt Schaub doesn't even exist. I ALMOST kind of feel bad for the guy.
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In one of the interviews that OB recently gave (and was posted on the board), he specifically says he's met and talked to both Matt and Case.

I don't see how Matt stays on with the sort of cap hit he's going to entail unless OB thinks he can use him until a better QB prospect becomes available.
 
I actually can see a scenario where we keep Schaub next season if we decide to go with Jadaveon Clowney at 1:1. If Schaub returns to his pre-13 self we have a good shot at playoffs already. If not, we're back selecting top 10 again which isn't all bad. In this scenario I'd hope there was a QB they think highly enough to sit behind Schaub and learn the off field professional aspect of being a pro. As bad as Matt was last year, he could be a good mentor. Cap hit is awful high and I think this scenario is unlikely.

My favorite continues to be Teddy Bridgewater at 1:1 and as our starter. He is professional in his demeanor, he's smart, he loves football, he's highly motivated, and would represent the franchise very well. All this leads me to believe O'Brien, Smith and McNair take him to be our franchise guy.
 
Goatcheese said:
I can't see Schaub on the roster next year with that cap hit. You could fill 2-3 holes with that money in free agency.



Still more manly than Tom Brady.
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Just to clarify that cutting Schaub will only clear up $4MM in cap space (unless he's a post June 1 cut) due to the dead money his contract carries. It's certainly better than having to take a $14.5MM hit if he stays. If OB wants Schaub to stay and compete for a starting job, then maybe he could be persuaded to take a pay cut. His base in 2014 is $10MM, and if they can negotiate it down to $5-6, it would provide the same cap relief as releasing him.
 
Ole Miss Texan said:
I actually can see a scenario where we keep Schaub next season if we decide to go with Jadaveon Clowney at 1:1. If Schaub returns to his pre-13 self we have a good shot at playoffs already. If not, we're back selecting top 10 again which isn't all bad. In this scenario I'd hope there was a QB they think highly enough to sit behind Schaub and learn the off field professional aspect of being a pro. As bad as Matt was last year, he could be a good mentor. Cap hit is awful high and I think this scenario is unlikely.

My favorite continues to be Teddy Bridgewater at 1:1 and as our starter. He is professional in his demeanor, he's smart, he loves football, he's highly motivated, and would represent the franchise very well. All this leads me to believe O'Brien, Smith and McNair take him to be our franchise guy.
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:goodpost:

I agree with every word and hope you're right OMT.


MSR
 
First, let me say that I'm warming to the idea of taking a QB with the #1 overall pick. However, I just happen to be lurking in the fan forums of other NFL teams. I happened into GangGreen.com, expecting to see a few generic draft threads. I was totally surprised to see a well developed thread discussing this year's crop of QBs. Why was I surprised?

Because they've already got 2 first round QBs on their roster. I know they're "just fans" & their opinions have little to do with the decisions made by the franchise, but more or less, they're like us. There are a few guys there who know what they're talking about. & just lilke here, the gist of the problems are more or less close enough.

But they're regretting the selection of either 1st round QB.

That's the situation I don't want to be in. Yes, we need a QB. Yes, we need a QB of the future. But there is a very good possibility that, that QB is not in this draft. Just last year, the Jets took the best QB in the draft, & he wasn't the guy (at least many of their fans question that he is).

At the same time, it is interesting most of them acknowledge if Bridgewater, or Clowney were available at their pick, 18th, they wouldn't pass up either.


Edit:Daniel Jeremiah said
18. New York Jets
Record: 8-8
Team needs: WR, OG, CB
Analysis: The Jets have a talented defense, but they need a lot of work on the offensive side of the ball. I wouldn't be shocked if they jumped back into the quarterback market this spring.
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what would you guys give up for him? his contract is up after next season. any chance brady retires after next year and the pats keep mallett?
id be willing to give up a 3 this year and next years 2. dont think hes worth 2 2's like schaub was, schaub at least played a couple of good games before the trade.

would not give up this years 2 for him. you still get 1st rd value with that pick.
 
He hasn't played football since 2010. I wouldn't give up anything valuable. Maybe take a flier with a 4th or 5th to kick the tires and see how much rust has built up.
 
It was widely reported last offseason that the Patriots wanted at least a 2nd round pick for Mallett, so I would suspect that is where the bar will be set.

Is he worth the 33rd overall pick? Well that's the $1,000,000 question.
 
paycheck71 said:
Just to clarify that cutting Schaub will only clear up $4MM in cap space (unless he's a post June 1 cut) due to the dead money his contract carries. It's certainly better than having to take a $14.5MM hit if he stays. If OB wants Schaub to stay and compete for a starting job, then maybe he could be persuaded to take a pay cut. His base in 2014 is $10MM, and if they can negotiate it down to $5-6, it would provide the same cap relief as releasing him.
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He can't do that unless he extends his contract. But we can cut him and then resign him.
 
Marshall said:
He can't do that unless he extends his contract. But we can cut him and then resign him.
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Are you saying that's a CBA stipulation? These pay cuts happen all the time - Doug Free took one last year from the Cowboys. I just never knew that it had to be tied to an extension.
 
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