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Slowik and the offense

thunderkyss said:
Sorry, I'm not expecting Cj to ever look "average" again regardless how many QBs do.
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He was playing behind a crappy offensive line, incompetent OC who couldn’t adjust and teams well prepared for him. It’s a very small percentage of quarterbacks who come overcome all of that in their 2nd year.

And what’s up with the snappy comeback. I wasn’t attacking you at all.
 
Earl34 said:
If a seasoned coach like Marty Schottenheimer can get fired after leading the Chargers to a 14-2 season, then surely an inexperienced OC, who couldn't/didn't solve his OL issues or make the adjustments to have his offense average more than 7.5 second half points, can get fired too.
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Hey but according to a certain few, CJ is the reason why Bobby got fired/canned. Let them tell it.
 
steelbtexan said:
I heard about this from somebody else before the draft. It's why I didn't think Caserio/Ryans would draft Stroud. How am I trashing CJ? Everything I said is true and I even finished the post on a positive note because CJ/Kelly would be a perfect match for CJ since he wouldn't have to learn a new offense.

Are you not concerned about the fact that CJ has respected his last 2 OC's? That's a legitimate concern IMHO.
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Let’s give some context to why CJ didn’t get along with Slowik.

As LZ reported - Slowik got into his face yelling like he was a Gunnery Sergeant Hartman and CJ was Gomer Pyle. CJ got back in his face.

What the **** was Slowik thinking?

After Demeco smoothed things over CJ was mature about and hit the reset button on the relationship.

Then Slowik showed us who he was and the whole offense lost faith in him.

I think CJ does need someone like Chip Kelly.

Slowik has been said to not fully understand the Kubiak/Shannahan offense. He was rightly terminated.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Hey but according to a certain few, CJ is the reason why Bobby got fired/canned. Let them tell it.
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Would it be so bad if he was? What difference does it really make?

Another reporter reported Cj's regression was a big reason Slowik got fired.

So either Slowik got fired because Cj suk'd or because Cj thought he knew more football than Slowik.
 
TexansBull said:
Let’s give some context to why CJ didn’t get along with Slowik
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I don't want to have to go back & listen to Zierline again. He mentioned the thing predraft but other than that their relationship was fine.

Slowik was just over his head. But i don't remember anyone saying Cj disrespected Slowik or tuned him out.
 
thunderkyss said:
Would it be so bad if he was? What difference does it really make?

Another reporter reported Cj's regression was a big reason Slowik got fired.

So either Slowik got fired because Cj suk'd or because Cj thought he knew more football than Slowik.
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Wait a minute. There are only two potential reasons for Slowik to get fired? What about the OL performance or the blocking scheme that asked Schultz to block DEs or the 2nd half scoring droughts or.........

I can keep going.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. There are only two potential reasons for Slowik to get fired? What about the OL performance or the blocking scheme that asked Schultz to block DEs or the 2nd half scoring droughts or.........

I can keep going.
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Thunder be all over the place. He was just arguing against SB n Djon. Now he wants to argue against my statement.

Playing the devils advocate isn’t your calling bud. What side of the fence are you really on?
 
I've kind of lost track of this conversation. But we have focused so much on what Zierlein said. Are we forgetting what Aaron Wilson said regarding multiple players frustrated with the lack of adjustments. The predictability on offense. That when the script didn't work. Slowik wasn't good on his feet. This is more levelheaded analysis.

 
Earl34 said:
I've kind of lost track of this conversation. But we have focused so much on what Zierlein said. Are we forgetting what Aaron Wilson said regarding multiple players frustrated with the lack of adjustments. The predictability on offense. That when the script didn't work. Slowik wasn't good on his feet. This is more levelheaded analysis.

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This will be ignored by the two Lance lovers.
 
thunderkyss said:
I know I'm not crazy. We've been debating whether Slowik would actually be let go or not right? It seemed like many, if not most of us thought he should be fired, but most likely won't.

Thete were extenuating circumstances we didn't know about. Had to be. Stroud's regression has been reported as a major part of the decision. That was someone other than Zierline.

Then someone "confirms" it was Slowik that S2roud stepped to pre-draft....

I mean, I'm seeing smoke.
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Yep
 
Earl34 said:
I've kind of lost track of this conversation. But we have focused so much on what Zierlein said. Are we forgetting what Aaron Wilson said regarding multiple players frustrated with the lack of adjustments. The predictability on offense. That when the script didn't work. Slowik wasn't good on his feet. This is more levelheaded analysis.

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Lance reports Stroud didn’t talk to his OC in college.

2nd year Stroud is seen being despondent to his OC on the sidelines.

OC then fired.


If Johnny has four apples……
 
steelbtexan said:
Like I said I heard this from another source before the draft.

You're just discounting LZ because it doesn't fit your narrative. You probably should listen to Stoerner today.
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I remember when I enjoyed LZ’s takes but now? Absolutely not. He’s an armchair GM like the rest of us. In other words… he fabricates stuff to fit his narrative.
 
So now a grown young man can not show his emotions. Lol the world we live in and the reason why so many of us are jacked up in the heads. You refuses to express your feelings.
 
NitroGSXR said:
I remember when I enjoyed LZ’s takes but now? Absolutely not. He’s an armchair GM like the rest of us. In other words… he fabricates stuff to fit his narrative.
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All I'm saying is I heard the same thing he heard before the draft. It's the reason I thought the Texans would never draft CJ.

People can choose to believe this or not.
 
TexansBull said:
Let’s give some context to why CJ didn’t get along with Slowik.

As LZ reported - Slowik got into his face yelling like he was a Gunnery Sergeant Hartman and CJ was Gomer Pyle. CJ got back in his face.

What the **** was Slowik thinking?

After Demeco smoothed things over CJ was mature about and hit the reset button on the relationship.

Then Slowik showed us who he was and the whole offense lost faith in him.

I think CJ does need someone like Chip Kelly.

Slowik has been said to not fully understand the Kubiak/Shannahan offense. He was rightly terminated.
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I totally agree with the last sentence in this post.

Hopefully CJ can find a guy that he thinks is smarter than him to be the OC.
 
CJ was likely not the only guy on offense who had beef with Slowik. I’d put money on Mixon having issues with him as well. Too many times this year I saw Mixon coming off the field shaking his head in disgust and cussing like a sailor after a failed 3rd down play. Could be nothing & he’s just upset with not getting the conversion…or it could be everything..like “why this MF call this stupid ass play?”…or something to that effect.

Now you can quibble on whether or not a young 2nd year player like CJ should just shut up & take the coaching….but Mixon’s been around for a minute. He most definitely knows ball. More importantly, he has a very good idea of what works with their personnel and what’s not working both in the league as a whole and in real time game situations. Let’s also remember that Mixon is also the one who leaked the “exciting, big move” news that NC was gonna make before Slowik was officially let go so….

I’m sure Slowik is a great guy, knows his ball and everything. But it was CLEAR this year that he was a bit in over his head..not with playcalling itself & on its own, but in his ability to impose his offense’s will on a defense to knock them out of certain things they were doing. …but ALSO in adjusting his playcalling in real time to counter. And just from personal experience, it is hard to keep respect from a guy whose supposed to be your preceptor when you see that he’s a bit in over his head…or he’s being the smartest guy in the room and not listening to his front line employees who are actually in the **** & doing the work. With that being said I can EASILY see both CJ and Mixon at different times within the season and in games coming off the field & telling Slowik what they’re seeing out there, & Slowik either flat out ignoring it, or just not listening to them and continuing to run his flawed game plan and only going away from it when absolutely forced to. It’s frustrating.

You have to earn these guys’ respect. & rule #1 on how you do that is by Listening to them. You don’t have to do everything they ask you to do, but you do have to listen. & I just think part of Slowik’s issue was that he was too caught up in what he wanted to do or what he thought should be done. That’s why the adjustments with the o-line took so long to get halfway decent. That’s why you continued to see us running toss sweeps & screen passes that were going nowhere & that’s why we continued to see Schultz trying & continuously failing to execute kick out blocks.
 
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Mr teX said:
CJ was likely not the only guy on offense who had beef with Slowik. I’d put money on Mixon having issues with him as well. Too many times this year I saw Mixon coming off the field shaking his head in disgust and cussing like a sailor after a failed 3rd down play. Could be nothing & he’s just upset with not getting the conversion…or it could be everything..like “why this MF call this stupid ass play?”…or something to that effect.

Now you can quibble on whether or not a young 2nd year player like CJ should just shut up & take the coaching….but Mixon’s been around for a minute. He most definitely knows ball. More importantly, he has a very good idea of what works with their personnel and what’s not working both in the league as a whole and in real time game situations. Let’s also remember that Mixon is also the one who leaked the “exciting, big move” news that NC was gonna make before Slowik was officially let go so….

I’m sure Slowik is a great guy, knows his ball and everything. But it was CLEAR this year that he was a bit in over his head..not with playcalling itself & on its own, but in his ability to impose his offense’s will on a defense to knock them out of certain things they were doing. …but ALSO in adjusting his playcalling in real time to counter. And just from personal experience, it is hard to keep respect from a guy whose supposed to be your preceptor when you see that he’s a bit in over his head…or he’s being the smartest guy in the room and not listening to his front line employees who are actually in the **** & doing the work. With that being said I can EASILY see both CJ and Mixon at different times within the season and in games coming off the field & telling Slowik what they’re seeing out there, & Slowik either flat out ignoring it, or just not listening to them and continuing to run his flawed game plan and only going away from it when absolutely forced to. It’s frustrating.

You have to earn these guys’ respect. & rule #1 on how you do that is by Listening to them. You don’t have to do everything they ask you to do, but you do have to listen. & I just think part of Slowik’s issue was that he was too caught up in what he wanted to do or what he thought should be done. That’s why the adjustments with the o-line took so long to get halfway decent. That’s why you continued to see us running toss sweeps & screen passes that were going nowhere & that’s why we continued to see Schultz trying & continuously failing to execute kick out blocks.
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That's why we are going to have a new OC/some OL.

Then we will get answers to what was wrong with the offense.

It was time for Slowik to go because CJ and Slowik were on different pages. Ryans is to be commended for being proactive in making this move. With this said CJ needs to growup and listen, because Slowik wasn't the only guy in the room that wasn't listening. Hopefully CJ will finally have an OC that he will listen too. Do you think CJ should get to handpick his OC? I do because I dont want to hear the excuses or see the pouting/crying on the sidelines anymore.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's why we are going to have a new OC/some OL.

Then we will get answers to what was wrong with the offense.

It was time for Slowik to go because CJ and Slowik were on different pages. Ryans is to be commended for being proactive in making this move. With this said CJ needs to growup and listen, because Slowik wasn't the only guy in the room that wasn't listening. Hopefully CJ will finally have an OC that he will listen too. Do you think CJ should get to handpick his OC? I do because I dont want to hear the excuses or see the pouting/crying on the sidelines anymore.
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Why keeping harping on this when that's only part of the equation? Give EQUAL credence to all the issues - the OL sucking, the play calling was questionable, Slowik actually said there was no reason to adjust a few times and other players showed frustration. He changed the part of playbook from 2023 and the entire offense digressed, The criticism of Slowik started showing up in the media for much of the second half of the season.
 
Aaron Wilson is by far the best insider source for the Texans. And he presents the info in alevel-headed, matter of fact style free of hype or click bait. He is the only guy out there that I take what he says as gospel. It’s first hand info, not second hand rumor. Jonathon Alexander and DJ Bieneme are close to the Texans as well and get rock solid info…but Wilson is the best.

Sorry to Lance…but his info is nonsensical on its face. Your telling me that mild mannered Bobby gets in CJ’s face and screams at him because he said ya we ran that at OSU? All during a first exploratory meeting? And then upright Christian god-fearing CJ goes after Bobby and they have to be separated? Laughable. I believe the earth is flat before this crap.

Now could there be some smoke there. Could there be a personality conflict, or tension. Yes. That’s believable. Lance is getting second and maybe 3rd or 4th hand info and then blurting it out like a click baiter and shock jock. Did you ever play the telephone game as a kid? Teacher tells the first kid a story. He has to relay it to the kid behind him and so on. The further down the line it goes, the more the story changes. The last kid has to tell the teacher what she said…amd it ends up being completely different. Lance is simply playing an adult c=version of the telephone game. Sorry Lance…the jig is up.
 
Porky said:
Aaron Wilson is by far the best insider source for the Texans. And he presents the info in alevel-headed, matter of fact style free of hype or click bait. He is the only guy out there that I take what he says as gospel. It’s first hand info, not second hand rumor. Jonathon Alexander and DJ Bieneme are close to the Texans as well and get rock solid info…but Wilson is the best.

Sorry to Lance…but his info is nonsensical on its face. Your telling me that mild mannered Bobby gets in CJ’s face and screams at him because he said ya we ran that at OSU? All during a first exploratory meeting? And then upright Christian god-fearing CJ goes after Bobby and they have to be separated? Laughable. I believe the earth is flat before this crap.

Now could there be some smoke there. Could there be a personality conflict, or tension. Yes. That’s believable. Lance is getting second and maybe 3rd or 4th hand info and then blurting it out like a click baiter and shock jock. Did you ever play the telephone game as a kid? Teacher tells the first kid a story. He has to relay it to the kid behind him and so on. The further down the line it goes, the more the story changes. The last kid has to tell the teacher what she said…amd it ends up being completely different. Lance is simply playing an adult c=version of the telephone game. Sorry Lance…the jig is up.
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I can see that some posters like burying their heads in the sand. Is it possible that CJ could be a good person and still be an immatue mamma's boy? If so I could definitely see this happening. Like I said, I heard what Lance said from another person before the draft.

Fact : Wilson could report this and some posters would have the same reaction they're having now. CJ can do no wrong and we saw this when some were defending him after he was missing far more wide open receivers than he was last yr.
 
The things we would repeat to attempt to stay relevant. Show the receipts

And most of us heard about the first interaction between Slowik and CJ.

What you would’ve done if someone got in your face screaming and hollering at you during an interview.


Then the silly ash shots tells the true story. So what if he is a mommas boy? I see nothing wrong with a young man who respects and loves his mother.
 
steelbtexan said:
That's why we are going to have a new OC/some OL.

Then we will get answers to what was wrong with the offense.

It was time for Slowik to go because CJ and Slowik were on different pages. Ryans is to be commended for being proactive in making this move. With this said CJ needs to growup and listen, because Slowik wasn't the only guy in the room that wasn't listening. Hopefully CJ will finally have an OC that he will listen too. Do you think CJ should get to handpick his OC? I do because I dont want to hear the excuses or see the pouting/crying on the sidelines anymore.
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You are just determined to throw shade at CJ for questioning/getting after his OC…which by the way isn’t uncommon. We saw Brady getting his head chewed off by BoB before he even came here for the HC gig and we all said “hell yeah, this guy ain’t taking **** from noone!”…no mention of what Brady may have said or done to precipitate that reaction from BoB.

Hell just Last week Mahomes was visually getting after Matt Nagy as he walked off the field b/c he sent in a play too late which led to him having to call a TO that he didn’t want to take.

So I don’t think your narrative of him needing to “grow up”..of course he’s still got some growing to do, but this isn’t something you can point to and say that. This is a matter of competitiveness. CJ is a competitor. He wants to win. And when u already have a little beef with your OC before you’re even drafted to the team…then u get into games and see this guys’ flaws are hindering you and your teams’ success week in & week out and he’s somewhat tuning you out……..then YOU have to get up there and speak to “your” offenses’ failures after every game and at least once during every week of practice….that stuff gets old.

So…No he shouldn’t get to pick his OC…but like the HC pick, significant consideration should be given to the fact that it needs to be someone that he respects and that will listen to the franchise qb & isn’t hell bent on running “their” scheme but developing one with him. The best OC’s are guys who mold their scheme around their franchise qb..not the other way around & For years I’ve just never understood why coaches in the NFL didnt see it that way. If you know you have a proven talented guy under center, why are you being rigid with your playbook & putting the onus on the player to learn YOUR 400 page playbook instead of learning what he does well and adjusting your playbook & playcalling to him?

If it’s good enough for Reid to do it with Mahomes…

Harbaugh/Monken with LJ8..

Brady with Allen…

Kingsbury and Jayden Daniels

It’s good enough for us here.

Which is yet ANOTHER reason why I don’t want some old dude like Reich, Pederson and McCarthy here. They are from that old school way of thinking.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I brought this up during pre Draft and was told that it was bunk.

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1884270908547948842
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Slowik blew the meeting with a draft prospect that Demeco and Caserio were interested in. No wonder he was shown the door.

Why would Slowik think getting into another man’s face screaming was OK and the smart thing to do?

Good thing Demeco was able to clean up Slowik’s mess and Stroud was mature enough to give the Texans a second chance.
 
Earl34 said:
Wait a minute. There are only two potential reasons for Slowik to get fired? What about the OL performance or the blocking scheme that asked Schultz to block DEs or the 2nd half scoring droughts or.........

I can keep going.
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The OL coach was fired. TE's blocking falls under OL coach. Not scoring in the 2nd half was either because S2roud suk'd or because he thought he was smarter than Slowik.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Thunder be all over the place. He was just arguing against SB n Djon. Now he wants to argue against my statement.

Playing the devils advocate isn’t your calling bud. What side of the fence are you really on?
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The facts are all over the place, I'm just trying to make sense of all of it.
 
I get it, it's the off season and you have to find something to comment on. The coaching staff changes is the big news so far, so naturally all the old news is dug up and hashed over.

But the relevant point is that Slowik and CJ had a contentious relationship since before the draft and now Slowik is gone. You've drafted your QB. He's not going anywhere, so soon. So it was Slowik in the hot seat. Add in the poor performance of the offense this past season, and it should be clear that some changes had to be made in the coaching.

With Slowik gone, now the only relevant topic of discussion should be filling this position. And since CJ is our QB going forward, the team, including coaching hires, should be built around his strengths.

This decision is in the hands of Caserio and Ryans. So what rumors are out there, pointing to what direction they want to take the offense? The OC should be the first hire because he should have a say in the OL and the coach needed to coach the OL.

So a natural follow up question would be, do we know how Ryans wants to shape the offense, or will Caserio be the guiding influence in this decision?
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Lance reports Stroud didn’t talk to his OC in college.

2nd year Stroud is seen being despondent to his OC on the sidelines.

OC then fired.


If Johnny has four apples……
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Lance did say Stroud talked directly to the HC (who was the real OC) his reasons were speculative.

S2roud was "despondent" on the side lines, but how can a person be "despondent" to another person. I do not think it means what you think it means.

We have no evidence that S2roud & Slowik had a bad relationship.
 
Texansballer74 said:
So now a grown young man can not show his emotions. Lol the world we live in and the reason why so many of us are jacked up in the heads. You refuses to express your feelings.
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No, a grown man can not cry like that on a football field.

I mean if he goes out & win the game, yes. Hell yes.

If he shrivels up & goes on to lose the game now. Hell to the F no. That's why we criticize QBs who take the fetal position.
 
Mr teX said:
You are just determined to throw shade at CJ for questioning/getting after his OC…which by the way isn’t uncommon. We saw Brady getting his head chewed off by BoB before he even came here for the HC gig and we all said “hell yeah, this guy ain’t taking **** from noone!”…no mention of what Brady may have said or done to precipitate that reaction from BoB.
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I agree, if the OC doesn't know crap... he's fair game.
Mr teX said:
Hell just Last week Mahomes was visually getting after Matt Nagy as he walked off the field b/c he sent in a play too late which led to him having to call a TO that he didn’t want to take.
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Nagy's a good OC. Mahomes is a punk. we're talking apples & oranges here (Cj & Slowik are the apples).
 
thunderkyss said:
Would it be so bad if he was? What difference does it really make?

Another reporter reported Cj's regression was a big reason Slowik got fired.

So either Slowik got fired because Cj suk'd or because Cj thought he knew more football than Slowik.
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First, who did this said reporter get his statement from, CJ or Slowick? To put this much faith in what said reporter wrote, certainly he got his information directly from the horses mouth. If it was nothing more than his observation and opinion, then let him join the millions of football fans who also possess an arsehole.

CJ visibly showed on several occasions that he was losing faith in Slowick and his OL. No adjustments were made until injuries stepped in, but the damage was already done.

I have no doubt that CJ has the skill set to be an upper tier NFL QB….even after this season. Slowick needs more time before any team in the NFL views him as a top tier NFL OC or HC. This would be the primary reason Slowick lost his job. Unfortunately, the Texans entered their window much sooner than expected, which essentially scrubbed Slowick’s OJT opportunity.

Texans really need to hit the bullseye with their next OC and OL Coach.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
First, who did this said reporter get his statement from, CJ or Slowick? To put this much faith in what said reporter wrote, certainly he got his information directly from the horses mouth. If it was nothing more than his observation and opinion, then let him join the millions of football fans who also possess an arsehole.

CJ visibly showed on several occasions that he was losing faith in Slowick and his OL. No adjustments were made until injuries stepped in, but the damage was already done.

I have no doubt that CJ has the skill set to be an upper tier NFL QB….even after this season. Slowick needs more time before any team in the NFL views him as a top tier NFL OC or HC. This would be the primary reason Slowick lost his job. Unfortunately, the Texans entered their window much sooner than expected, which essentially scrubbed Slowick’s OJT opportunity.

Texans really need to hit the bullseye with their next OC and OL Coach.
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So you fall on the Cj thinks he knows more than the OC. Cool.

You didn't have to put much faith in me, a guy reporting that a reporter wrote something. I'm not putting any more faith in that reporter when I say either Slowick got fired because Cj suk'd or because he thought he knew more than the OC.

You have your experiences that lines up with one of those, so do I.

& I'm not saying either way is gospel truth. The post you quoted started off, "So what if... "

To me, it's just something in the back of my mind until the next set of "facts" pop up.
 
thunderkyss said:
So you fall on the Cj thinks he knows more than the OC. Cool.

You didn't have to put much faith in me, a guy reporting that a reporter wrote something. I'm not putting any more faith in that reporter when I say either Slowick got fired because Cj suk'd or because he thought he knew more than the OC.

You have your experiences that lines up with one of those, so do I.

& I'm not saying either way is gospel truth. The post you quoted started off, "So what if... "

To me, it's just something in the back of my mind until the next set of "facts" pop up.
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No, I never really put much thought into CJ thinking he was smarter than Slowick, but I did plenty of second guessing “out loud” in regards to Slowick’s play calling….I guess that makes me the guilty party, in thinking I was smarter than Slowick.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree, if the OC doesn't know crap... he's fair game.
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I don’t think it was a question of knowledge for Slowik..it was a question of authority; Some guys just get caught up in it & don’t know how to exert their very small level of authority over these guys without being a-holes. Todd Haley was like that. Always up in his players’ faces..aggressive. Had numerous very public spats on the sidelines with his players..Kurt Warner..Ben Rothlisberger..T.O…..it’s partly why his ass is out of the NFL now. That combative, aggressive style of coaching doesn’t play with these kids these days. If they can play and have the accolades (& later the huge contract) on the wall to prove it, they know who the franchise is most likely to keep between the 2.

Slowik came into the situation behind the 8-ball & for CJ’s part he probably always had that pre-draft confrontation in the back of his mind. The miscues and in-game stuff was just icing on the cake.
 
thunderkyss said:
Lance did say Stroud talked directly to the HC (who was the real OC) his reasons were speculative.

S2roud was "despondent" on the side lines, but how can a person be "despondent" to another person. I do not think it means what you think it means.

We have no evidence that S2roud & Slowik had a bad relationship.
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The offense clearly ran plays at times that were not what Slowik called.
 
thunderkyss said:
No, a grown man can not cry like that on a football field.

I mean if he goes out & win the game, yes. Hell yes.

If he shrivels up & goes on to lose the game now. Hell to the F no. That's why we criticize QBs who take the fetal position.
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So many grown men cried when Hamlin went down on both sides. You’re dead wrong for saying they can’t show freaking emotion. I’ve seen grown men cry whenever they didn’t win the super bowl.

Yall really needs to stop judging like you guys are so hard out here.
 
Texansballer74 said:
So many grown men cried when Hamlin went down on both sides. You’re dead wrong for saying they can’t show freaking emotion. I’ve seen grown men cry whenever they didn’t win the super bowl.

Yall really needs to stop judging like you guys are so hard out here.
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I have no respect for any of them fools that cried for whatever reason. You don't have to like it & I'd appreciate it if you didn't judge me.
 
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