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Slowik and the offense

djohn2oo8 said:
Can’t say Bobby didn’t have any business being an OC with Stroud having the rookie year he did. Maybe it is Stroud who didn’t adjust.
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You are making no sense! Regardless if it was Slow's playbook and play calling or Stroud's ability, we did what many did not expect getting a second year in a row division championship. Seeing the many records that Stroud set during 2023, why would any offensive coordinator switch from that even if it was a college playbook to an NFL? You don't take success at that level and try to completely change it to a different way. I can see tweaking it but not twerking.
Now that slowik is gone, my issue is with Demeco allowing it to go on so long. That is why I believe upper management / owners helped make the decision to fire the OC.
Ryans should have made decision mid-season.
 
badboy said:
You are making no sense! Regardless if it was Slow's playbook and play calling or Stroud's ability, we did what many did not expect getting a second year in a row division championship. Seeing the many records that Stroud set during 2023, why would any offensive coordinator switch from that even if it was a college playbook to an NFL? You don't take success at that level and try to completely change it to a different way. I can see tweaking it but not twerking.
Now that slowik is gone, my issue is with Demeco allowing it to go on so long. That is why I believe upper management / owners helped make the decision to fire the OC.
Ryans should have made decision mid-season.
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Be careful what you wish for because it CAN get worse. Stroud has no right not to listen to his OC. None.
 
Earl34 said:
LMAO. Similar to expecting heat during the summer in Houston, I was expecting this narrative of the lazy, uncoachable CJ Stroud with the know-it-all attitude and his nefarious puppet master Mulugheta.

How many of us have gone into an interview and in our eagerness to impress our potential employer brought up past situations or scenarios that we experienced? So, Stroud and Slowik are discussing coverages and Stroud would mention he knew about this coverage and that's how he handled it in college. As the employer, don't you want the candidate to talk so you can observe their processing? Don't you want detailed answers? Instead, Slowik got tired of the past experience references and blew up? If that happened to any of us, I don't think we would bark back at the potential employer. However, I'm certain many of us would consider that a red flag and not accept the job offer from this employer.

If Zierlein's reporting is accurate. Stroud should not have barked back at Slowik. Maybe he thought Slowik was testing his toughness and barked back. However, we should also consider that this was Slowik's first draft. I doubt he had any experience leading the interview process for a QB. I would question why he felt the need to shut the interviewee up when he was trying to demonstrate his knowledge. Was Slowik intimidated by the references to Day? Was he also trying to prove he knew what he was talking about?
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as none of us were in the interview and to my knowledge we do not have specifics of who said what and what was said, I think some pick a point of view and just put their spin on what was said or done to fit their own perceptions or beliefs. " I do not know, however I want it to be a certain way to fit my point of view. Therefore, it had to happen the way I would imagine it to have happened."
 
badboy said:
Okay, using your words, it is okay for a multi-year quarterback to pout but not a second year quarterback who was much more successful his second year than Brady?
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Brady battled adversity and worked his way into a starting position. Yes, Brady earned the right because he won multiple super bowls by then. Stroud has one, not even terrible season and is pouting and acting like a child.

Stroud ran his mouth this season about how he was better than Josh Allen, how Matt Stafford was better than Rodgers. Yet had the nerve to act like a child when his words bit him. He ran his mouth like a 10 year vet and got humbled.
 
thunderkyss said:
Now hold on... I'm not looking for dirt, I assume you're including me since you quoted me & he's responding to your response to me.

I'm just trying to put the pieces together.

Just because Cj believes he knows more football than Slowik doesn't mean he didn't respect him. I'm not pushing that. I'm trying to find reasons in favor of Cj bypassing his OC in college, not slamming him for it.
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This is much ado about nothing. If Ryan Day was in the QB room, creating the game plans and calling plays, doesn't it make sense that Stroud would go to him? Looking at the last quote might be why an inexperienced OC might have an issue.

www.on3.com

CJ Stroud addresses relationship between Ohio State QBs, Ryan Day

CJ Stroud says his relationship with Ryan Day has continued to grow as Day is teaching him invaluable lessons to be a QB and pro prospect.
www.on3.com www.on3.com

“Coach Day’s been in the room with all of us. He’s definitely pulled me to the side and we have our one on one meetings and what not. More so now he is in the room with all three of us,” Stroud said. “I feel like it’s kind of my job to make sure that everybody learns together. Coach Day has done a good job with that and not just making it seem like I’m the man. I don’t really like that feeling. I want everybody to do better.”

“Coach Day’s really smart. It’s tough to kind of pick his brain in a sense. I feel like I do a good job in kind of testing him…He’s always been a strong-willed person. I feel like me and him have a lot of similarities when it comes to that. We’re both students of the game,” said Stroud. “(We) love watching film, looking at other defenses, new plays and just piggybacking off each other…I think I actually surprise him sometime being a little smarter than he may think. I definitely think that is a great relationship.”
 
djohn2oo8 said:
I didn’t know one season in the NFL makes you consistent or elite. Never knew that.
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It definitely makes you Elite for that time period. For example, horse racing; a horse can be elite for one race or for entire season and then other seasons not good at all.
Consistency is different than one game but 15 games in one season would be consistent. You don't have to have but can have consistency in several seasons.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Be careful what you wish for because it CAN get worse. Stroud has no right not to listen to his OC. None.
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You are wrong in that there can be reasons not to listen. What was wrong in this situation was head coach putting his team and franchise quarterback repeatedly in dangerous situations hoping his offensive coordinator would get his act together. That's on Ryans not Stroud.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Brady battled adversity and worked his way into a starting position. Yes, Brady earned the right because he won multiple super bowls by then. Stroud has one, not even terrible season and is pouting and acting like a child.

Stroud ran his mouth this season about how he was better than Josh Allen, how Matt Stafford was better than Rodgers. Yet had the nerve to act like a child when his words bit him. He ran his mouth like a 10 year vet and got humbled.
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You are starting from a precept that Stroud was pouting that I do not accept so no reason to continued discussion on that. Also Stroud as an athlete given his opinion on Stafford over Rogers could just be a misinformed opinion. Just like fans do. I think it was pretty obvious that CJ Stroud in 2023 was Josh Allen's equal if not better.
 
Lucky said:
CJ was getting rocked by the blitz, and Slowik had no answer. People have selective memory, but Stroud was holding private practices in the offseason with his receivers, getting Diggs familiar in the offense. Everything was positive until the Vikings, then the Packers game. That's when things began to turn. No answers for stunts, no hot reads for the blitz, continually putting Kenyon Green on the field. No adjustments. No answers. Here we are. If someone had to go, damn straight it was going to be Bobby Slowik.
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Common sense at its finest.
 
badboy said:
You are starting from a precept that Stroud was pouting that I do not accept so no reason to continued discussion on that. Also Stroud as an athlete given his opinion on Stafford over Rogers could just be a misinformed opinion. Just like fans do. I think it was pretty obvious that CJ Stroud in 2023 was Josh Allen's equal if not better.
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Don’t give a damn. Stroud is out of OC lifelines and will be known as a coach killer if this happens again

https://twitter.com/x/status/1884246530389074126
 
badboy said:
You are wrong in that there can be reasons not to listen. What was wrong in this situation was head coach putting his team and franchise quarterback repeatedly in dangerous situations hoping his offensive coordinator would get his act together. That's on Ryans not Stroud.
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Absolutely not. There is no reason that Stroud, a SECOND year QB should be tuning out his OC. Coaching personnel is not his lane. Run the play that is called. Or audible.
 
badboy said:
It definitely makes you Elite for that time period. For example, horse racing; a horse can be elite for one race or for entire season and then other seasons not good at all.
Consistency is different than one game but 15 games in one season would be consistent. You don't have to have but can have consistency in several seasons.
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Was Matt Hasselbeck elite? What about Schaub?
 
CJ will be just fine. His OL was crap this season, the run game ran away when Mixon went down, TE’s were never really incorporated in the offensive attack consistently making them and their blocking issues a major eyesore, Slowick consistently drawing up long developing routes downfield knowing he had no OL to provide the time needed to create separation, and having no issues running his run game into stacked defenses that usually amounted to creating 2nd/3rd and long situations.

As for CJ, he had more errant passes than I would’ve liked, but I could immediately identify him not setting his feet on an almost every bad throw. That wasn’t a trait before this season, but it sure as hail developed into one as the season progressed…..I’m looking squarely at you Strausser and OL personnel. I also noted on several game day post(s) that CJ was getting passes batted down…..on a 5 step drop, why is the defensive push good enough to bat a pass while literally standing flat footed?

There’s so much more to this observation, but I think if the right OC and OL Coach’s are brought in, this madness would be corrected and CJ will be back on track to excelling over his award winning rookie campaign.
 
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badboy said:
Or a respected, knowledgeable offensive coordinator like Kelly comes in and rights the ship. Stroud and the others will understand that Chip knows how to win and as with such leaders, employees follow willingly.
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This is what I hope happens and since Chip will be running a version of the WCO CJ shouldn't have to learn much of anything new. So CJ should be a happy camper and that's what's most important.
 
badboy said:
Or maybe just like tens of thousands of fans Stroud could see that what slow was putting on the field was not working and he was upset and angry and not pouting.

It is not optimal when you promote a person without experience to a position that he almost immediately shows he is not capable of. That person may seem briefly to be successful based on how well his departmental employees do their jobs despite their boss's inadequacies.
Sometimes those employees get frustrated and exasperated. Some go to the chain of command but others just shrug and cash the paycheck like Tunsil.
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And sometimes when this happens they pout like a child would. Or cry when a teammate gets hurt. Let's face it Stroud is an emotional mamma's boy who so far hasn't reacted well to adversity either in college or the pro's. Hopefully this changes.
 
badboy said:
That does not make it Stroud's fault. We could also say that you have been one and three getting along with people on this message board. That does not make you wrong either.
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What I will say is it's a work place trend.

A MB is a hobby not a work place.
 
Hervoyel said:
I would say that the Texans line this past season (and before that to honest) looked like one of those groups where you could probably do better with less "talent" but more in the motor and hard work department. a few of them looked downright lazy and I'm not even thinking about the guy we both disagree over. This is the Mason/Howard/Green problem. Nobody in that group is either smart enough or dedicated enough to make the cut IMO.
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I'm in total agreement on this. The Texans OL is one of the dumbest in the league.
 
Lucky said:
Either you're lying about what I said, or your reading comprehension ability is severely lacking. I'm not questioning what Zierlein said he heard. I'm questioning the veracity of the information he received.
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Of course you are.

I heard this info from somebody else before the draft, which certainly makes me believe LZ.
 
steelbtexan said:
Like I said I heard this from another source before the draft.

You're just discounting LZ because it doesn't fit your narrative. You probably should listen to Stoerner today.
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Stop it you didn’t hear anything about him and his college OC.

I don’t have a freaking narrative. I don’t like Lance bringing up **** from two years ago. What was the darn purpose? It’s disingenuous at its finest and I knew you would gravitate towards this type of crap. You always do,
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Stop it you didn’t anything about him and his college OC.

I don’t have a freaking narrative. I don’t like Lance bringing up **** from two years ago. What was the darn purpose? It’s disingenuous at its finest and I knew you would gravitate towards this type of crap. You always do,
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Why? It gives context. Slowik was fired just one year after a very successful season.
 
Lucky said:
Lazy, dumb, lack of cohesiveness, lack of athleticism, some combination thereof...it didn't work. Let me be fair to Bobby Slowik. What he drew up was not going to work with this offensive line. He got chicken shiite and could not turn it into chicken salad. Still, Slowick was slow (or stubborn) to make changes that could maximize what he had on hand. That was my frustration with him. Hope he gets another chance with players that can operate his system.
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Exactly. A couple of months ago. Chris Simms made a comment that many coaches are running that Shanahan/Kubiak scheme. However, the further you get out on the branch, the more you see coaches are slow to react or adjust because they don't know intricacies of the offense well enough to make those real-time adjustments.

The injuries and OL performance really screwed Stroud and Slowik. I think Slowik is a smart guy but it's one thing to know the playbook and another to adapt your playbook around your personnel and injuries. It's like BOB stating a play should work, demonstrating how the Patriots run it successfully and not realizing the Texans don't have a slot WR with Welker or Edelman's talent or skills.
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Why? It gives context. Slowik was fired just one year after a very successful season.
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He was fired because he couldn’t freaking adjust period. We’ve all seen it, you don’t think the Texans brass saw that crap. Other teams jumped all over Slowik’s offensive playbook. And for context did you not read where they said Slowik went a way from what he was running last year.

You see this is why people on here doesn’t really take anything you say seriously. You come on here with this silly agenda that has no type of substance whatsoever.

And guess what the ones that’s been on here for a minute knew exactly what SB was going to do. He always picks a certain player or coach to crap on.
 
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steelbtexan said:
This should be concerning to all.
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It is. I'll add it to the concern list.
  1. Mulugheta is his agent
  2. Stroud's S2 score
  3. Stroud family history
  4. Stroud's sideline demeanor (moping)
  5. Stroud's work ethic. Instead of studying or working hard, he went on vacation
  6. Stroud's coachability and inability to get along with his OCs
  7. Stroud's ego. He thinks he's the smartest man in the room
  8. Mulugheta was born in Dallas, but his parents are from Eritrea.
  9. Eritrea is too close to Nigeria and Mulugheta might know Nigerian dentists.
  10. Mulugheta, Mulugheta, Mulugheta, Mulugheta.................................................................................................................
Did I cover the concerns?
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Brady battled adversity and worked his way into a starting position. Yes, Brady earned the right because he won multiple super bowls by then. Stroud has one, not even terrible season and is pouting and acting like a child.

Stroud ran his mouth this season about how he was better than Josh Allen, how Matt Stafford was better than Rodgers. Yet had the nerve to act like a child when his words bit him. He ran his mouth like a 10 year vet and got humbled.
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Selective memory much? Brady became the starter because Beldsoe got hurt. That's it. An injury is the sole reason he got his shot.
 
steelbtexan said:
And sometimes when this happens they pout like a child would. Or cry when a teammate gets hurt. Let's face it Stroud is an emotional mamma's boy who so far hasn't reacted well to adversity either in college or the pro's. Hopefully this changes.
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Being emotional and crying over the devastation injury of a friend does not make anyone a mama's boy. My first reaction is to go personal on your statement but that would not be the right thing to do.
 
Earl34 said:
It is. I'll add it to the concern list.
  1. Mulugheta is his agent
  2. Stroud's S2 score
  3. Stroud family history
  4. Stroud's sideline demeanor (moping)
  5. Stroud's work ethic. Instead of studying or working hard, he went on vacation
  6. Stroud's coachability and inability to get along with his OCs
  7. Stroud's ego. He thinks he's the smartest man in the room
  8. Mulugheta was born in Dallas, but his parents are from Eritrea.
  9. Eritrea is too close to Nigeria and Mulugheta might know Nigerian dentists.
  10. Mulugheta, Mulugheta, Mulugheta, Mulugheta.................................................................................................................
Did I cover the concerns?
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LOL

Have I had any of these concerns in the last 2 seasons?

Yes, I'm concerned that we've got a mamma's boy on our hands. But the talent is worth having to deal with the serious stuff you listed. You make it seem like I brought up these concerns. Take this crap up with LZ since he brought this up. Dont act like I brought up this topic. I simply said I heard the same things LZ brought up and you would think that I said I wish CJ wasn't the Texans QB, when in truth despite a down yr I would take CJ over all but about 5-7 QB's in the NFL. But this doesn't mean he doesn't have flaws.

Carry On, I'm out.
 
badboy said:
Being emotional and crying over the devastation injury of a friend does not make anyone a mama's boy. My first reaction is to go personal on your statement but that would not be the right thing to do.
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No it wouldn't, but have you ever seen Staubach/Elway/Bradshaw/Marino/Brady/Manning/Mahomes/Allen/LJ cry on a football field like that when one of their teammates got hurt?
 
Texansballer74 said:
Stop it you didn’t hear anything about him and his college OC.

I don’t have a freaking narrative. I don’t like Lance bringing up **** from two years ago. What was the darn purpose? It’s disingenuous at its finest and I knew you would gravitate towards this type of crap. You always do,
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I touched a nerve.

LZ said it not me.

Take it up with him and choose to believe what you wish. I'm certainly not going to change your mind if a respected journalist and former MB member here cant. Carry on.
 
steelbtexan said:
No it wouldn't, but have you ever seen Staubach/Elway/Bradshaw/Marino/Brady/Manning/Mahomes/Allen/LJ cry on a football field like that when one of their teammates got hurt?
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Has nothing to do with your comment in my opinion. I have interacted with many military veterans over the last half century including my Marine Corps Brothers. Each of them handled intense emotional stress differently. I do not consider anyone who cried over the loss of or injured comrades any less of a man than those who did not.

Also having worked in the field of Psychiatry for over 8 years, my opinion is those who do not show emotion often keep it bottled up and often have mental breakdowns up to and including suicide attempts and completion. Often those became rageaholics and often very abusive in their relationships.

Emotions are not bad or weakness.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
CJ will be just fine. His OL was crap this season, the run game ran away when Mixon went down, TE’s were never really incorporated in the offensive attack consistently making their blocking issues a major eyesore, Slowick consistently drawing up long developing routes downfield knowing he had no OL to provide the time needed, and having no issues running his run game into a stacked defense that usually amounted to creating 3rd and long situations.

As for CJ, he had more errant passes than I would’ve liked, but I could immediately identify him not setting his feet on an almost every bad throw. That wasn’t a trait before this season, but it sure the he’ll developed into one as the season progressed…..I’m looking square at you Strausser and OL personnel. I also noted on several game gay post(s) that CJ was getting passes batted down…..on a 5 step drop, why is the defense close enough to bat a pass literally standing flat footed?

There’s so much more to this observation, but I think if the right OC and OL Coach’s are brought in, this madness will be corrected and CJ will be back on track to excelling over his award winning rookie campaign.
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If we see some of the same issues, like holding the ball too long, missing free rushers, taking huge sacks... are we going to blame that on the new coordinator?

Or does learning a new system allow him to look more "average"
 
badboy said:
Slowik and Strausser are gone. I will be looking for discussion and debate on other topics.
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I know I'm not crazy. We've been debating whether Slowik would actually be let go or not right? It seemed like many, if not most of us thought he should be fired, but most likely won't.

There were extenuating circumstances we didn't know about. Had to be. Stroud's regression has been reported as a major part of the decision. That was someone other than Zierline.

Then someone "confirms" it was Slowik that S2roud stepped to pre-draft....

I mean, I'm seeing smoke.
 
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thunderkyss said:
If we see some of the same issues, like holding the ball too long, missing free rushers, taking huge sacks... are we going to blame that on the new coordinator?

Or does learning a new system allow him to look more "average"
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You do know every quarterback have those same issues no matter how long they’ve been playing. There’s not one perfect quarterback or player. So are we expecting CJ to be perfect.
 
Texansballer74 said:
You do know every quarterback have those same issues no matter how long they’ve been playing. There’s not one perfect quarterback or player. So are we expecting CJ to be perfect.
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Sorry, I'm not expecting Cj to ever look "average" again regardless how many QBs do.
 
Lucky said:
Zierlein told the same story just prior to the 2023 draft. Remember, he had Tyree Wilson and Will Levis going to the Texans in his mock. Lance hasn't broken news on the Texans since Ryans came to town. He just doesn't have the contacts there he once had.
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I think this is more of a product of Demeco and Caserio not leaking things like OB and Rick Smith and Amy Palcic did.
 
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