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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.

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Texian

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Texian said:
I haven't studied Fields or Wilson enough to make an educated decision. However I was impressed with Fields beating Clemson. I will be watching closely tonight. If Jags sign Meyer to be HC does Urban go with Fields?

I do not ask for Darnold, I ask for DE Quennin Williams, 3rd pick in 2019 draft. Along with (2) 1st rd picks in 2021, 1st RD pick in 2022. 2nd RD picks in 2021 and 2022. 3rd RD pick in 2021.
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Texans trade Deshaun Watson and Zach Cunningham to New York Jets.

New York Jets trade DE Quinnen Williams (#3 1.3 pick in 2019 draft), (2) 2021 First RD picks 1.2 and 1.23, (1) 2022 First RD pick; 2nd RD picks 2021 and 2022 to the Houston Texans.

With 2nd pick in the 2021 NFL Draft Texans select QB Zach Wilson.

I do like this trade option better than the Miami trade and Tua.
 
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badboy

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OptimisticTexan said:
Looking at the top 10 teams in the 2021 NFL Draft and it's easy to see that Miami has the assets to make a trade for Watson unless the Dolphins feel like Fields or Wilson are better prospects than Tua. If the Texans knock on the door of the Dolphins, there's going to be a fine line between going all in on Watson and paying a king's ransom for Watson.

Personally, if there was to be a deal to be made with the Dolphins, I'd have no desire in seeing Tua involved in the deal. I'd want draft capital and let them do with Tua what they wish. I think the Texans could push for the following:

Dolphins Get:
QB- Wason
LB- Mercilus (100% Contract)

Texans Get:
2021 RD1-03-003 (Texans)
2021 RD1-18-018
2021 RD2-03-035 (Texans)
2022 RD1
2023 RD1

Toss in my plan to move both Watt and Cook for RD3 picks......and the Texans suddenly have an outstanding draft ahead of them. Cook to WFT (RD3-19-051) and Watt to CHI (RD3-20-084) plus Texans RD3-03-067.

I believe the Redskins could be another team with real interest should the Texans put Watson on the market. Would the Redskins have enough interest to part ways with Chase Young in a package? If there was even the slightest interest:

Redskins Get:
Watson

Texans Get:
Young
2021 RD2-19-051
2021 RD3-10-074 (Via SF)
2021 RD3-19-083
2022 RD1
2022 RD2

In this scenario....Texans get a big answer on the DL. They'll have a nice RD2 pick, but if the Texans still moved Watt and Cook (To NYJ)....they could have 5 picks in RD3. RD3-03-67, RD3-10-74 (WFT), RD3-19-083 (WFT), RD3-20-84 (CHI), RD3-23-087 (NYJ). Texans new GM could probably use 5 RD3 assets to move into RD2 and still have change left over for RD3. The Texans would have to sign a stop gap for 2021 or let McCarron have a go as the starter while the team completes the rebuild.
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Who is your QB and Wr 1?
 
beerlover

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steelbtexan said:
What side is that

I see this as an HR problem where the employee needs to learn that there's a big difference between being a player and mgmt.
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This on ownership.

Remember Duane Brown? Know you do, he spoke up and was traded for fraction of his value, why? Because he was right and they (ownership) would never admit being in the wrong. They would rather pay 6 times over, to get Tunsel. Instead this could have stayed a contending franchise, even more so with Watson.

But this goes beyond winning and selling seats for sheep who drink the koolaid, this is about changing culture and doing the right thing.
 
steelbtexan

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beerlover said:
This on ownership.

Remember Duane Brown? Know you do, he spoke up and was traded for fraction of his value, why? Because he was right and they (ownership) would never admit being in the wrong. They would rather pay 6 times over, to get Tunsel. Instead this could have stayed a contending franchise, even more so with Watson.

But this goes beyond winning and selling seats for sheep who drink the koolaid, this is about changing culture and doing the right thing.
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Unfortunately you have to do what your boss wants or he won't be your boss for long.

What culture are you talking about? The Texans culture?
 
steelbtexan

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PapaL said:
That’s not the argument. He’ll lead whatever he’s given. Don’t expect a masterpiece w a smatter mustard and ketchup.

Dude ain’t said much while he’s on vacation; meanwhile you’re spinning yourself up lol
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They adhered to DW4'S wishes and didn't trade anybody. Now they don't have cap space or draft picks. Tell me many games don't d they win? The last person that needs put on who to hire is DW4.
 
Texian

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Mollywhopper said:
The Chargers aren't hiring a GM..

And I haven't heard any reason why he'd be leaving his current job.
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My bad I mistakenly thought the guy in the picture was Brian Daboll and not Joe Douglas. I can see Deshaun Watson wanting to play for Douglas if he hires Eric Bienemy. (All these bald white bearded guys look the same : ))
 
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OptimisticTexan

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badboy said:
Who is your QB and Wr 1?
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I forgot about this one.....Texans could take a flyer on QB, Dwayne Haskins by signing him to a prove-it type of contract for a couple of years. Maybe he could find his way and figure out how to apply his talent to the NFL. I'd let him and McCarron (Re-signed Cheap) have an open competition for QB1. Both would be at the same level since there would be a new HC, OC, QB Coach and playbook. Not to mention, I could probably have both QB's signed to 6-7M+ bonuses combined per season. That certainly leaves a bucket of money to use elsewhere until a solid QB could be drafted in 2022 or 2023 (2 RD1 Picks In Each Draft).
 
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powda

powda

I find your lack of faith disturbing.
3-17 is the start of the new nfl year. Nothing could happen before that am I right?
 
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steelbtexan said:
They adhered to DW4'S wishes and didn't trade anybody. Now they don't have cap space or draft picks. Tell me many games don't d they win? The last person that needs put on who to hire is DW4.
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Wait a minute. According to Romeo, they didn't get the value. Also, with Fuller about to be suspended, who was going to trade for him? If Fuller is traded and then gets suspended, would the trade get rescinded? Who did you expect to take on Cooks or Cobb's salary? Stills cleared waivers and still hasn't taken a snap for another team.

It probably doesn't matter when you want to keep a good story going, but here is Romeo talking about what really happened at the trade deadline.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1324023478371131394
 
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Corrosion

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badboy said:
Miami has 1.3 & 1.18 only if they will throw in Tu'a why not take him and trade him ourselves? Make him available for a later round one..Steelers, Saints?
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I don't think anyone is giving up a future #1 for Tua. Just my opinion.

First there's the injury issues , then , I really don't see a starting caliber QB there. I think he's a career backup at best.

Give me more picks and they can deal with Tua however they want.
 
steelbtexan

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Corrosion said:
I don't think anyone is giving up a future #1 for Tua. Just my opinion.

First there's the injury issues , then , I really don't see a starting caliber QB there. I think he's a career backup at best.

Give me more picks and they can deal with Tua however they want.
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I didn't get the Tua hype before he got hurt.

In fact I think he may not be as good as Mac Jones. Both are avg to maybe slightly above avg QB's. I see Mac Jones as a Matt Schaub type ceiling and maybe Tua can become that good.
 
Texian

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steelbtexan said:
Unfortunately you have to do what your boss wants or he won't be your boss for long.

What culture are you talking about? The Texans culture?
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Bob McNair voiced his displeasure to the team that he wasn't happy Obama was elected president the day after Obama was elected. McNair followed that up with his, the inmates are running the asylum comments. This McNair culture continues to permeate the locker room and still lives with players today. Cal's attitude and insensitive behavior towards Deshaun reminds all of the McNair elitism that has surfaced it's ugly head again.
 
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Corrosion

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powda said:
Give me 1.3, 1.18, and a 3rd round pick this year. Give me a 2nd round pick next year.

I'll trade DW and Easterby.
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Honestly I don't want to move Watson at all .... Only if he forced his way out and then , that wouldn't be enough for me to pull the trigger.

First , I want to see him in a different offense .... and would like to put a bunch of young talent around him in the next draft.

Question is , how to accumulate those draft picks ....
 
Norg

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i dont wanna trade watson but if he truely does not want to be here IDK i would be open to offers cus he wont resign in 3 years from now

i wouldnt mind sending him to the jags so we could get trevor but it seems jags dont want to trade

if we trade to miami i would want the haul make it so high that they reject so at least we can tell watson we tried LOL i would want like 4 1st round picks and TUa and Fitz
 
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Texian said:
Bob McNair voiced his displeasure to the team that he wasn't happy Obama was elected president the day after Obama was elected. McNair followed that up with his, the inmates are running the asylum comments. This McNair culture continues to permeate the locker room and still lives with players today. Cal's attitude and insensitive behavior towards Deshaun reminds all of the McNair elitism that has surfaced it's ugly head again.
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The only way to change this unfortunately is to change the players because at this point the players opinions of the McNair's isn't going to change. Either that or the McNair's will have to sell the team for things to change.

I certainly dont think the McNair's are racists because they hired the youngest minority GM in NFL history and have a good history of minority employment. But none of that matters. Perception is reality in these times we currently live.
 
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Corrosion

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Norg said:
i dont wanna trade watson but if he truely does not want to be here IDK i would be open to offers cus he wont resign in 3 years from now
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They have him under contract thru 2025. That's five more seasons. I might consider moving him prior to that final season if he wouldn't sign an extension at that point.
I wouldn't trade him unless he held out , and then only if I could get a huge package of early picks. Otherwise , I'd play hardball .... that contract can be frozen and he doesn't get paid.
 
Texian

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steelbtexan said:
The only way to change this unfortunately is to change the players because at this point the players opinions of the McNair's isn't going to change. Either that or the McNair's will have to sell the team for things to change.

I certainly dont think the McNair's are racists because they hired the youngest minority GM in NFL history and have a good history of minority employment. But none of that matters. Perception is reality in these times we currently live.
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I don't think the McNair's are racist either but IMO they come across and give off an heir that they are better than you, Aristocrats.
 
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Norg said:
i dont wanna trade watson but if he truely does not want to be here IDK i would be open to offers cus he wont resign in 3 years from now

i wouldnt mind sending him to the jags so we could get trevor but it seems jags dont want to trade

if we trade to miami i would want the haul make it so high that they reject so at least we can tell watson we tried LOL i would want like 4 1st round picks and TUa and Fitz
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why would the Jags take the risk? They just went through similar crap with Ramsey.
 
badboy

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Carr Bombed

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Coughlin wasn't the fiasco.. he was a symptom, like Easterby.. unlike Easterby though, Coughlin actually knew football. All of this stems from a shitty owner, atleast ours isn't playing home games in another continent yet.
 
badboy

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Texian said:
The McNairs aside, from what I've seen in Championship game tonight I wouldn't draft Justin Fields. I spent a couple of hours this afternoon watching Zach Wilson videos. My initial thoughts is he is the 2nd best QB in the draft (subject to change).
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Yeah Fields got me interested again versus Clemson but tonight he slid and not just on ground.
 
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If we aren't getting a Herschel Walker deal in return, I'm not dealing.. and before anyone says "that'll never happen again".. well then I wouldn't move Watson.

Watson is a top tier (yes 5) QB in the beginnings of his prime.. when has a top tier QB ever been moved in the beginning of their prime? I can't remember one?

Herschel was a RB.. unless a team sells the farm for the most important position in all of sports, I'm not moving Watson hell or high water.
 
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