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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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ColeThornton
Waterboy
I don't think Buzbee ever expects this to go before a jury. This is negotiating.
Max
Veteran
Same thing. This is the only pic (cucumber in hand) I can share from the first profile that comes up under massage therapist.
The others are all half naked boob shots. You can't tell me that many of these women aren't sending a message that they're more than a massage therapist. Look, I get the feeling that I'm coming across as a DW defender by expressing this stuff. I'm not. I'm simply pointing out that there's very likely a level of complexity to this that you're not going to get if you just listen to accusations. The lesson that I'll teach my boys about this kind of stuff when they're old enough is that you can't play with fire like this and not expect to get burned. DW was stupid. DW played with fire. DW is getting burnt.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
What owners do you think will trust him? The Johnson brothers in NYC Come to mind. Panthers?
ColeThornton
Waterboy
badboy
Hall of Fame
Settlement target date? NFL decision target date?
Max
Veteran
It's just called he said, she said. You don't sign a contract for 156MM and put yourself in a position dozens of times that the he said, she said game could pop up and not get burnt.
Jack Burton
Veteran
Texansballer74
The Marine
Why Watson you have a bad one young bloods 
Panthers/Eagles.
ColeThornton
Waterboy
I think we're still in the first quarter.
Texian
Hall of Fame
It could be his finest hour.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
Just dropping in to comment on this fiasco.
We can be certain the front office knew Watson was into happy massages. They hire people to follow him and know these things. We can't be certain they knew about the assaults. Maybe some girls told them, but we don't know.
We can also be certain these women have no interest in taking this to a criminal court without winning the DW4 litigation sweepstakes. Which is fine, it's their choice on how they get even. But they hold the leverage. The prospect of destroying an NFL star's career through an embarrassing criminal trial should not be expended until you get a house out of it. The reason Watson got a criminal defense attorney is to assess how much leverage the women actually hold.
Many women will try to join the suit, few will get a settlement. All settlements will be determined by the content of the text messages.
The final chapter will look like a combination of Ben Roethlisberger and Michael Vick. Watson will write one-time checks to some accusers, but for the rest of his career he'll be writing checks to women's shelters and sexual assault non-profits. The NFL will capitalize on these "very regretful incidents" to pivot away from social justice messaging to sexual assault awareness because the league very very sincerely believes in this new urgent social cause, and not because they were just looking for any excuse to abandon their previous social cause which may or may not have been impacting ratings.
And by 2023 it'll be mostly forgotten. And like Roethlisberger, I'm betting Watson will remain with his original team, who he'll be immensely grateful to for supporting him through "his very difficult and eye-opening journey."
We can be certain the front office knew Watson was into happy massages. They hire people to follow him and know these things. We can't be certain they knew about the assaults. Maybe some girls told them, but we don't know.
We can also be certain these women have no interest in taking this to a criminal court without winning the DW4 litigation sweepstakes. Which is fine, it's their choice on how they get even. But they hold the leverage. The prospect of destroying an NFL star's career through an embarrassing criminal trial should not be expended until you get a house out of it. The reason Watson got a criminal defense attorney is to assess how much leverage the women actually hold.
Many women will try to join the suit, few will get a settlement. All settlements will be determined by the content of the text messages.
The final chapter will look like a combination of Ben Roethlisberger and Michael Vick. Watson will write one-time checks to some accusers, but for the rest of his career he'll be writing checks to women's shelters and sexual assault non-profits. The NFL will capitalize on these "very regretful incidents" to pivot away from social justice messaging to sexual assault awareness because the league very very sincerely believes in this new urgent social cause, and not because they were just looking for any excuse to abandon their previous social cause which may or may not have been impacting ratings.
And by 2023 it'll be mostly forgotten. And like Roethlisberger, I'm betting Watson will remain with his original team, who he'll be immensely grateful to for supporting him through "his very difficult and eye-opening journey."
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah, this type of help..
Before I wanted to keep Watson at all cost, then when things seemed fractured I just wanted a unprecedented ransom for a unprecedented situation, now I just want him to get the **** off my team and out of my city! I don't give a crap if we don't even get a 7th rounder for him now..
He also doesn't have to worry about playing for this team anymore, he got his monkey paw wish.. Now he just has to worry about playing in the NFL again..
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Maybe Buzbee is just jealous that none of the women Watson got over the internet ended up freaking out and destroying his priceless art collection
2 Andy Warhol art pieces destroyed by allegedly drunken first date at attorney Tony Buzbee's home
A Dallas woman destroyed at least $300,000 worth of sculptures and original paintings at...www.chron.com
Irrelevant.. But since you brought it up. I highly doubt he's jealous LMAO
I'd rather have my art collection destroyed than have my entire reputation and career destroyed.At least Farmers offers compensation for what Buzbee lost.. What Watson just lost was much more priceless.. If you really think about it and set your politics aside.
And they were obviously edited
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
I pretty much agree but what confuses me is that I think I’m hearing some pretty serious complaints being aired. why? If you want to settle you don’t want the state to pick up the charges. This would become a Kavanaugh sideshow and although those women look Californian they don’t look like the complainant that was a university PhD psychiatrist skilled in the art of teaching clients to pass lie detector tests. Hardin could rip them apart while playing ping pong.
If the issue was Watson saying, “I didn’t know, I was just going for a massage.” I could see where you’re going.
But the issue is the masseuse is saying, “He made me touch things I didn’t want to touch.” Or “He made me do things I didn’t want to do.”
It doesn’t matter what the pictures suggest. She could’ve been a $10,000 call girl. If she says, “No, I don’t do that.” No means no.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Exactly this is the last route a Watson defense would want to go with a victim blaming. The "She was asking for it" excuse never goes over well, and like you said it doesn't matter if a person is a "professional" or not under the law no means no even if you paid for it. Here's the flip side to to this as well, why would a multimillionaire, famous athlete go to some random person he found on instagram for a massage? Particularly when the Texans have on staff highly trained therapist that he wouldn't even have to pay for. That to me is going to be the hardest question that Watson and his lawyer are going to have to answer.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
So you don’t think Hardin could bring in as witnesses clients of these women who could vividly describe the “treatment“ they got? This is where I get confused. Some of these allegations seem serious enough to land this crap in a court. Happens all the time in battery cases when the woman won’t press charges. Edit: I’m not talking about the she was asking for it stuff. I’m thinking of “forced” sexual allegations. If this attorney just wants to settle why let the allegations get this serious? Seems like he’s not looking for a quick fix. We are actually in agreement. This seems to me to go beyond the norm for these encounters.
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Buzbee is the kind of guy that will do whatever it takes to win. These moves are well calculated. If he has to destroy other peoples lives to win a case he will have no qualms doing what needs to be done to win.
This cut throat attitude is why I voted for him for mayor. Like I said before with the floods/freeze you want a guy like Buzbee going after companies like Ercot.
austins23
Hall of Fame
But Watson is not and never will be on Tiger’s level. Tiger was worldwide, Watson not so much.
Only the NFL community will care.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
I'm not sure why there is any comparison going on between Tiger and DW. One has civil (and possible criminal) charges coming and the other cheated on his wife over a long period time with over a dozen consensual and willing women but was facing ZERO charges of any kind. Apples and oranges. DW isn't getting up in front of ANY mics or social media with charges pending.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
No because it doesn't matter what "treatment" others got it only matters whether she said no to Watson or not. Even then 5th amendment says they don't have to incriminate themselves and seeing as that is illegal yeah you would never get anyone to agree to that. Sure let me testify that I committed an illegal act, have my whole life ruined, get added to the sex offender registration and be prosecuted because defense can't offer immunity deals all to help a millionaire football player looking for a happy ending. Oh yeah you'd have people lining up for that.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Normal, not really though its all public record so its not illegal. I mentioned this before but I think he is trying to make sure Watson and his team can't spin the story because people will be inclined to believe him. I don't think he cares about the Texans one way or another because the Texans have nothing to do with this case at this point unless it comes out they were trying to cover it up. Also right now the only story out there is Buzbee's and his clients so the more people hear that the more the will believe it.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Exactly, what Tiger did was scumbag stuff but it wasn't illegal. Now it allowed his wife to do to him what he had been doing to all the women but again it wasn't any different than if an average joe had been doing it and got caught except for the amount of money involved. This deal with Watson is going beyond just a guy getting some side action.
michaelm
vox nihili
Clint Stoerner made a comment yesterday that players going to independent massage therapists is common. Players going thier house, and massage therapists going to the players house is a common occurrence according to Stoerner.
The same message therapist?
Interesting!
Yep
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Putting aside the fact that his NFL football career lasted less than 3 years Stoerner attended Lee High school in Baytown, as someone that lives in Baytown I wouldn't trust him to tell how to operate a toilet.
Interesting? I say fishy
Max
Veteran
And that's why his goose is cooked, no one can prove that these women didn't say 'no'. But what you're saying is a big part of what's wrong with the me too movement imo. The woman's conduct ABSOLUTELY matters to me when there's a 50/50 chance someone is lying. If she gets to portray herself as a modest, stand up, hard working professional and we don't get to learn his version that she's advertising herself as a hoe with cucumber pics, then we're not being fair to the guy's version of what happened and his 50/50 chance of being right.
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TripleTap
Dead Wood
Methinks there are 2 kinds of “massage therapists” in the world, them as are massage therapists, and them as are not. The real question is did he mix up one with the other? Or are these just the others momentarily changing their stripes? Surely their internet presences will suggest which.
The same reason an abused woman may stay with an abuser? In this case fear of not complying? Wait for the facts.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
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CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The 4th-7th lawsuits have officially been filed within the past hour.
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
It's an old Tupac song "Guilty and I know it"
SnakeEyes
Under NRG
Last night I thought it was only 6. So, we have 6+ charges now. A few could be after money and latched on to the first. But I think it is pretty serious about most of the cases.
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Common doesn't always equal a good idea however in this case it "appears" and we don't know all the facts but DW is wanting to get funky. That would be uncommon for actual massage services. Again, just what is going through his head to try and pull this with non-willing participants? Must be ego. "She won't be able to resist me".
Max
Veteran
Victim blame my ass. Maybe DW's the victim. In the end, if they really are victims, then yeah, you don't blame them. But we're at the stage of identifying who is the victim and these women's character matters when listening to their side of the story.
michaelm
vox nihili
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