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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Nice way to try to victim shame these ladies while saying you aren't victim shaming. I dont care if they were naked, if what they claim Derrick did is correct then only Derrick was in the wrong.

Man….victim shaming, how in the hail did you come to this conclusion? It’s simply seen as the other side of the coin and looking at this situation from a neutral standpoint.

Since I have no skin in this situation, why am I going to go “all in” on a guilty or not guilty stance before a trial has even happened?
 
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Man….victim shaming, how in the hail did you come to this conclusion? It’s simply seen as the other side of the coin and looking at this situation from a neutral standpoint.

Since I have no skin in this situation, why am I going to go “all in” on a guilty or not guilty stance before a trial has even happened?
I' don't like the passive aggressive stuff

I'm not saying he's guilty or not guilty. I can't wait for the trial. I would love to be a fly on the wall when Buzbee is deposing Derrick. That should make for some true entertainment.
 
See that’s where I’ve been having an issue with the “wait for evidence” line of thinking. None of us have the power to convict Watson of anything. If a person on here wants to say Watson is 100% guilty and he should be tar and feathered then that is nothing but their opinion, it’s has no real world effects.

Yep. It should not be any surprise that an internet forum created to allow freedom of ideas ends up with a diversity of opinions.

None of it means anything and none of it impacts anything, regardless if we are talking about a football team or court cases.
 
You cant improve your team if you don't get anything for him or is depreciated value. If you make him play and he doesn't, now its conduct detrimental to the team, his money stops. Rusty ain't free and it doesn't matter how much he's made prior. Paying a lawyer like him to is very, very expensive.
That may sound good. But let me put this scenario forward. If he is even eligible to play by TC, let's say he decides to play....and I doubt that the Texans would allow that.......he could play and feign injury and be placed on IR. If he is placed on IR before Sept 1, he is not eligible to return during the 2022 season...........but will receive his 2022 salary, again for doing nothing anyway. If he would wait until just before the end of TC to feign injury and having taken all the the 1st team reps (I doubt that he would play at all if not for that condition), then Mills would be compromised going into the season (even if they shared 1st team reps).

These are just my thoughts. Nevertheless, any scenario and their results would be unpredictable. But why potentially take chances with another season.
 
no, I get that but for the most part if he settled civil cases prior to being deposed he would root out all but maybe 2-3 of the criminal complaints making his situation much more manageable. if he gets deposed not only does that make it more likely the civil suits drag on…it seems to be it also increases his criminal exposure.

i have heard the same on indictments; however, I’m not sure they will be the kind of charges that wI’ll lead to jail time.
Even if he settled the cases to root out two or three complaints, there could still be multiple law violations stemming from one complainant
 
Just for general info




Art. 21.24. JOINDER OF CERTAIN OFFENSES. (a) Two or more offenses may be joined in a single indictment, information, or complaint, with each offense stated in a separate count, if the offenses arise out of the same criminal episode, as defined in Chapter 3 of the Penal Code.
(b) A count may contain as many separate paragraphs charging the same offense as necessary, but no paragraph may charge more than one offense.
(c) A count is sufficient if any one of its paragraphs is sufficient. An indictment, information, or complaint is sufficient if any one of its counts is sufficient.

Acts 1965, 59th Leg., p. 317, ch. 722, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1966. Amended by Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 968, ch. 399, Sec. 2(A), eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
 
See that’s where I’ve been having an issue with the “wait for evidence” line of thinking. None of us have the power to convict Watson of anything. If a person on here wants to say Watson is 100% guilty and he should be tar and feathered then that is nothing but their opinion, it’s has no real world effects.

I like your post and genuinely respect your sentiment. That said, we weren't on oj's jury either and what's the consensus on his guilt even after trial? Do you think public opinion might alter how someone's treated even after an innocent verdict?

Imagine your standing in line at a target with oj. He's buying steak knives. So what are you thinking? He was found innocent right? Shouldn't matter. But public opinion suggest otherwise...

This thread is now 176 pages deep and I challenge you to read it all. I think you'll find a lot of incendiary posts about what a horrible person dw must be based purely on speculation.

And all of that's happened before his day in court or a verdict. I suspect you'd want fair treatment were you in his boat.
 
I like your post and genuinely respect your sentiment. That said, we weren't on oj's jury either and what's the consensus on his guilt even after trial? Do you think public opinion might alter how someone's treated even after an innocent verdict?

Imagine your standing in line at a target with oj. He's buying steak knives. So what are you thinking? He was found innocent right? Shouldn't matter. But public opinion suggest otherwise...

This thread is now 176 pages deep and I challenge you to read it all. I think you'll find a lot of incendiary posts about what a horrible person dw must be based purely on speculation.

And all of that's happened before his day in court or a verdict. I suspect you'd want fair treatment were you in his boat.

I respect and understand you point but by the same token my point of it doesn’t matter still stands. Take your OJ example, so what if I’m standing behind him and think he is buying knifes to stab someone, I still can’t do anything or get him arrested or really even say much to him. If I start making a scene and the police are called which one of us are they going to escort out? You more than most know the answer to that question.

People can think anything they want and society can’t nor should be able to tell them they can’t. As long as guilt, as in court of law, and punishment is not determined based on that public opinion then ultimately what people think or even say doesn’t matter. That’s the beauty of the first amendment.
 
I respect and understand you point but by the same token my point of it doesn’t matter still stands. Take your OJ example, so what if I’m standing behind him and think he is buying knifes to stab someone, I still can’t do anything or get him arrested or really even say much to him. If I start making a scene and the police are called which one of us are they going to escort out? You more than most know the answer to that question.

People can think anything they want and society can’t nor should be able to tell them they can’t. As long as guilt, as in court of law, and punishment is not determined based on that public opinion then ultimately what people think or even say doesn’t matter. That’s the beauty of the first amendment.


Isn't he now losing millions in advertising dollars? You deem it speculation but that's a very real effect.

This isn't the 1800's when people wait weeks to read another's words. Words have matter now and faster by the day.

Im not telling you he's innocent. I don't know. I'm only asking folks to wait till we know more.
 
Frankly, for those of you who know what I do for a living, do you really want me to pass guilt based on popular opinion? Or do you want me to follow the system in place?

That's the stance I'm taking with dw right or wrong.
 
Isn't he now losing millions in advertising dollars? You deem it speculation but that's a very real effect.

This isn't the 1800's when people wait weeks to read another's words. Words have matter now and faster by the day.

Im not telling you he's innocent. I don't know. I'm only asking folks to wait till we know more.

It is a very real affect but it’s still not the same as someone being convicted and having their freedom taken away. When you make your living based on the public there are certain expectations of behavior that average people don’t have to meet. These companies are paying him millions of dollars to promote their products because they think people will buy their products in an effort to be more like him. It’s not really any different than a movie studio not casting someone who has shot their mouth off about something.

We saw something very similar recently when Whoopie Goldberg was removed because of comments she made. She could lose millions of dollars and nothing she did was illegal just shall we say unwise.

Whether Watson is guilty of a crime or not he did put himself in a situation that would cause the persona he has created to be compromised and therefore people to not want to be like him and therefore buy the products he promotes. That is why he is losing millions of dollars regardless of guilt or not.
 
For me this is his time to show what he can do.

Trade Deshaun and use the draft picks to turn this place around.

Make some wise choices on the contracts going forward.

If he can accomplish these he will be good in my book.

He will be lucky if he's ever able to trade Derrick and if he happens to get lucky then the posters we're talking about are going to be b!tching about the return.
 
He will be lucky if he's ever able to trade Derrick and if he happens to get lucky then the posters we're talking about are going to be b!tching about the return.

I don’t think it will be hard, he’s going to settle the money grab and some team will pony up for a good QB, even if he’s a known quitter.
 
I don’t think it will be hard, he’s going to settle the money grab and some team will pony up for a good QB, even if he’s a known quitter.

I would agree with you if the feds weren't looking in these cases. Where we differ is that this is a money grab. For some I'm sure it is just that. For others not so much.

This s happens when you have 24 women who filed complaints and probably that many more waiting to see how this case turns out before filing new complaints.
 
Found this interesting article. Would make anyone pray that they don't end up a federal criminal defendant.

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Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty
BY JOHN GRAMLICH

Trials are rare in the federal criminal justice system – and acquittals are even rarer.

Nearly 80,000 people were defendants in federal criminal cases in fiscal 2018, but just 2% of them went to trial. The overwhelming majority (90%) pleaded guilty instead, while the remaining 8% had their cases dismissed, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data collected by the federal judiciary.

Most defendants who did go to trial, meanwhile, were found guilty, either by a jury or judge. (Defendants can waive their right to a jury trial if they wish.)
Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. These statistics include all defendants charged in U.S. district courts with felonies and serious misdemeanors, as well as some defendants charged with petty offenses. They do not include federal defendants whose cases were handled by magistrate judges, or the much broader universe of defendants in state courts. Defendants who enter pleas of “no contest” are also excluded.

THE REST OF THE STORY
 
Agent trying to push positive PR.........and THAT'S the "truth." Lot's has been going on since mid Dec, 2 months ago. And, in this situation, time can hardly be thought to be on his side.
Some have complained that Buzbee has used the the press to try to sway public opinion. Articles such as that one above was trying to do the same through his agent. However, it should be recognized that Mulugheta is undoubtedly acting as Hardin's public consumption surrogate.
 
Found this interesting article. Would make anyone pray that they don't end up a federal criminal defendant.

********************************************************************************************************************

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty
BY JOHN GRAMLICH

Trials are rare in the federal criminal justice system – and acquittals are even rarer.

Nearly 80,000 people were defendants in federal criminal cases in fiscal 2018, but just 2% of them went to trial. The overwhelming majority (90%) pleaded guilty instead, while the remaining 8% had their cases dismissed, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data collected by the federal judiciary.

Most defendants who did go to trial, meanwhile, were found guilty, either by a jury or judge. (Defendants can waive their right to a jury trial if they wish.)
Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. These statistics include all defendants charged in U.S. district courts with felonies and serious misdemeanors, as well as some defendants charged with petty offenses. They do not include federal defendants whose cases were handled by magistrate judges, or the much broader universe of defendants in state courts. Defendants who enter pleas of “no contest” are also excluded.

THE REST OF THE STORY
There are definitely aspects of the Watson case that are within the federal jurisdiction. And if anything involving a minor, it’s goodnight.
 
I saw the report about the Bucs doing “extensive homework” on Watson lol

Wonder what that report is going to comeback saying.

I will write the 1st three sentences.

Derrick Watson is a Sexual Predator. It remains to be seen if Derrick has committed serial sexual assaults. Civil depositions should be completed by March 1st and the Grand Jury will either indict Derrick or not sometime around the same time frame.
 
Even if he settled the cases to root out two or three complaints, there could still be multiple law violations stemming from one complainant

no, what I said was if he settled all of his civil cases and only had remaining criminal complaints from those who only went criminal route that he would be in a much safer space,
 
Which one would put him in jail? Again. The criminal cases matter regardless of if any civil cases existed or not. Civil cases force him to pay money. Lose a criminal case he loses his freedom potentially.
So it’s the same thing?
 
Found this interesting article. Would make anyone pray that they don't end up a federal criminal defendant.

********************************************************************************************************************

Only 2% of federal criminal defendants go to trial, and most who do are found guilty
BY JOHN GRAMLICH

Trials are rare in the federal criminal justice system – and acquittals are even rarer.

Nearly 80,000 people were defendants in federal criminal cases in fiscal 2018, but just 2% of them went to trial. The overwhelming majority (90%) pleaded guilty instead, while the remaining 8% had their cases dismissed, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of data collected by the federal judiciary.

Most defendants who did go to trial, meanwhile, were found guilty, either by a jury or judge. (Defendants can waive their right to a jury trial if they wish.)
Put another way, only 320 of 79,704 total federal defendants – fewer than 1% – went to trial and won their cases, at least in the form of an acquittal, according to the Administrative Office of the U.S. Courts. These statistics include all defendants charged in U.S. district courts with felonies and serious misdemeanors, as well as some defendants charged with petty offenses. They do not include federal defendants whose cases were handled by magistrate judges, or the much broader universe of defendants in state courts. Defendants who enter pleas of “no contest” are also excluded.

THE REST OF THE STORY
How many are investigated and charges never brought? because right now nothing has been charged. Good try though
 
friend, if they settle civil claims they aren’t keeping their criminal pursuits alive. It’s all or nothing.
That’s actually not how it works. Again, MULTIPLE women have gone to the police separate of the lawsuits. Those complaints and police reports are in front of a Grand Jury. Why would Watson settle now and open himself up for prosecution? There are aspects of the case no matter if the women want to drop the State AND FBI can still pursue. And there’s NO indication any of these women want to drop charges
 
I would agree with you if the feds weren't looking in these cases. Where we differ is that this is a money grab. For some I'm sure it is just that. For others not so much.

This s happens when you have 24 women who filed complaints and probably that many more waiting to see how this case turns out before filing new complaints.

Until they actually press charges or even start treating this like a real criminal investigation I’ll stick with my first instinct on it and go with money grab.
 
Until they actually press charges or even start treating this like a real criminal investigation I’ll stick with my first instinct on it and go with money grab.
Tell me, and you're a world traveler, if even 1 case of this crap is proven true he's screwed. Tell me more about the probably 50-75 other women that are going to come out of the woodwork.
 
Nobody’s wishing. The women who filed police reports want to press charges. They’re pursing it. It goes to the GJ. The GJ indicts.
Well, some folks act like they are wishing.

If a person mentions even the slightest pathway Watson can escape this, they're quick to respond with their own speculation
 
I think folks want to wish that charges come….

Why do you think that?

I haven't seen one poster say he hopes that charges are to come. I've seen many posters say that they hope he beats the rap so Caserio can get value in trade for Derrick.
 
Well, some folks act like they are wishing.

If a person mentions even the slightest pathway Watson can escape this, they're quick to respond with their own speculation

Is it wrong to tell posters why these pathways would be inaccurate?

What speculation in regards to these pathways?
 
If some folks don’t think he’s guilty “today”…..doesn’t mean they think he’s innocent. I believe when I say this, “absolutely” all of us have said wait until there’s a court case and verdict. Some folks have a real problem with the justice system process.
 
Good try though? You might want to carefully read my introductory statement.
You are painting a narrative consistently around here based upon your opinion of Watson and his guilt. You conveniently posted an article with slanted stats in the Watson thread to paint your narrative. This article would be relevant to this thread if/when Watson gets charged. Until then, should be posted elsewhere.
 
You are painting a narrative consistently around here based upon your opinion of Watson and his guilt. You conveniently posted an article with slanted stats in the Watson thread to paint your narrative. This article would be relevant to this thread if/when Watson gets charged. Until then, should be posted elsewhere.
Anything you say, sir.
 
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