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Selection 4.135: Tom Savage QB

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Strengths Terrific size. Sets with balance. Easy, compact, high three-quarters release. Spins a catchable ball. Excellent arm strength to complete NFL throws -- capable of sticking outs from the deep hash or launching balls 60 yards on the money. Experience in pro-style offense. Smart and hardworking. Solid personal and football character. Has tools to work with. Team captain.

Weaknesses Needs to speed up his clock and show better awareness in the pocket. Needs to quicken his eyes, expand his field vision and learn to manipulate safeties. Tends to stare down his target. Forces some throws into traffic. Erratic accuracy. Slow of foot -- not a scramble threat. Can improve play-action fake. Had some duds -- struggled against Florida State, Virginia and Virginia Tech. Mental toughness needs to be looked into.

Draft Projection Rounds 5-6

Bottom Line Big, inconsistent pocket passer who took a circuitous route to Pittsburgh, where he played a full season for the first time since 2009. Is inconsistent and in need of more reps, but has ample arm talent to warrant developmental consideration if teams deem his intangibles worthy of an investment.

- Maybe OBrian wanted him because he is a Pennsylvania guy. I guess I like having a QB pick but would have preferred Murray (or Carr earlier.) Hopefully, Keenum steps up. In my opinion Fitzpatrick is just another guy like Schaub. The talking heads on ESPN were calling him a "serviceable veteran", which is a euphemism for a bum.
 
Lucky said:
Because he drafted Peyton Manning? You could've made that pick.
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That's what I was thinking. If there was ever a guy who's body was of work was average only because one player he drafted its polian.

I was hoping for Aaron Murray but at this point the risk is lower and ill still be optimistic and believe the new regime can develop a QB that fits their mold.
 
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 4m
#Texans now have 4 QBs on their roster. #Ravens have been open about getting a backup in this draft. TJ Yates / Keenum know the offense.

hmmmmm
 
Vinny said:
nice call from those Savage table-pounders. You know who you are.

A developmental guy who's kinda well traveled. Long story short...he was injured at Rutgers as a Freshman starter and lost his job to Chas Dodd (I'm vague on this part) so he transferred to Arizona. Rich Rodriguez later came in as Head Coach and has a different play style so he transferred again to Pitt. Drafted by the Texans and went on to be the next back to back MVP.
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Wih regards to the Arizona situation, there is no fault on Savage for that situation. Matt Scott (who was Rodriguez's QB1) was absolute chalk and cheese in style to savage.

I'm hoping that the lack of consistency in Savage's college career has helped us pick up someone who would have gone a lot higher had he had a more stable college situation.
 
Lucky said:
Savage doesn't have Bortles mobility. Not by a long shot. But, he's not a statue, either. Has the same reverse pivot move Bridgewater employs. The main problems I see in watching him are ball security and locking onto receivers. A lot of young QBs have this problem. But then, most rookie QBs are younger than 24.
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He kinda moves like Rex Grossman. He could be the next Cody Carleson if he plays his cards right. I wonder if we dip back into the QB pool and take another one?
 
chicagotexan2 said:
That's what I was thinking. If there was ever a guy who's body was of work was average only because one player he drafted its polian.

I was hoping for Aaron Murray but at this point the risk is lower and ill still be optimistic and believe the new regime can develop a QB that fits their mold.
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I hate to stand up for Polian but he put together an excellent Bills team and put together another excellent team in Indy.
 
DX-TEX said:
Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock · 4m
#Texans now have 4 QBs on their roster. #Ravens have been open about getting a backup in this draft. TJ Yates / Keenum know the offense.

hmmmmm
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Interesting idea. I would think if Kubiak had anything to do with a trade he would take Yates before Keenum. But if the others talking about BOB's like for bigger QBs, they Keenum would be the trade bait and I don't think Kubiak wants Keenum.
 
Lucky said:
Savage will really have to screw the pooch in camp and preseason not to get a job.
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He was a 4th round pick.. a vet was signed, there's currently two other players on the roster that have starting NFL experience... it was a pick made in the middle of the draft, if he is a day 1 starter it'll be because he earned a spot to play. When you take a QB at the bottom of the 4th round, you are hardly tied or committed to him.

We hear about "QB battles" in NFL camps all the time that are absolute B.S. This will be one of those instances where it won't be. There will be a legit battle at that spot and the QB position will be the position everyone will keep there eyes on during camp.
 
chicagotexan2 said:
That's what I was thinking. If there was ever a guy who's body was of work was average only because one player he drafted its polian.

I was hoping for Aaron Murray but at this point the risk is lower and ill still be optimistic and believe the new regime can develop a QB that fits their mold.
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Do we just forget the work he did in Buffalo?
 
Carr Bombed said:
He was a 4th round pick.. a vet was signed, there's currently two other players on the roster that have starting NFL experience... it was a pick made in the middle of the draft, if he is a day 1 starter it'll be because he earned a spot to play. When you take a QB at the bottom of the 4th round, you are hardly tied or committed to him.

We hear about "QB battles" in NFL camps all the time that are absolute B.S. This will be one of those instances where it won't be. There will be a legit battle at that spot and the QB position will be the position everyone will keep there eyes on during camp.
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Lucky's point was he will get a roster spot, not the starting gig.
 
All I see is a fork sticking squarely out of Keenum. No offense to the cult of personality.
 
infantrycak said:
Being on the right side of a coin toss doesn't make you a genius.
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No it doesn't, but guess what does... Building a team that reached the SB 4 straight times and winning one with another franchise.

I'm not putting my faith in Savage "because Polian likes him", but rather scoffing at those who are writing off what Polian has accomplished as a G.M.

He accomplished a LOT more then just calling the right side of a coin.
 
Watching some Savage cut-ups on draftbreakdown.com.

Guy does have a cannon.
Seems to have good ball placement.
Steps up in the pocket.
Keeps his eyes up field.


May need to learn to take a bit off.
Doesn't look to be going through progressions.


Not entirely a statue, Pitt seemed to roll him out and move the pocket a fair bit. He will try and run if there is space.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I don't, simply because he's cheaper and already beat out Yates (he's better than Yates). Yates is walking the green mile right now.
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Nobody has done anything since the new staff got here.

If he beats out Yates this year then I'll agree.
 
Carr Bombed said:
I don't, simply because he's cheaper and already beat out Yates (he's better than Yates). Yates is walking the green mile right now.
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IMHO, Yates suffered the misfortune of following up Schaub's pick-6 run by throwing one of his own. McNair then pressured Kubes into playing Keenum.

Yates has proved more on the field that Keenum has. See: Playoff win.
 
Love this pick!!!!!

"I think this is a great fit for the Texans. He's got a hose. His arm is any bit as good as Logan Thomas' or Zach Mettenberger's. He took a beating at Pitt, but he continued to stand in the pocket. He's a natural thrower of the football. He's got all the mechanics, so now it's all about developing the kid's ability." -- Mike Mayock
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Tough SOB, for those who don't know........

Savage also injured his ribs against the Orange, but he returned against Miami the next week and threw for 281 yards and two touchdowns in a loss to the Hurricanes. Savage also had a head injury earlier in the season, but didn't miss any games. That rib injury apparently was susceptible to further damage, because a hit there during the bowl game fractured his ribs and bruised a kidney. He had some internal bleeding as well, so a long rest was needed.

That meant Savage had to decline an invitation to the East-West Shrine Game. He also had to miss the Senior Bowl, as he was to be an alternate. Savage took a couple weeks off before training for the NFL Combine, and it paid off. He reportedly was solid during on-field drills, displaying accuracy and a strong arm.
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And we all know how he did in his Pro Day.
 
Guys, you seem to be forgetting the best way to assess a QB.

How hot was his GF?

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sandman said:
IMHO, Yates suffered the misfortune of following up Schaub's pick-6 run by throwing one of his own. McNair then pressured Kubes into playing Keenum.

Yates has proved more on the field that Keenum has. See: Playoff win.
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The team backing him up was incomparably better as a whole during that period as compared to what Keenum had to work with. Every time Yates was put in after that year, he looked terrible.
 
Lucky said:
Savage doesn't have Bortles mobility. Not by a long shot. But, he's not a statue, either. Has the same reverse pivot move Bridgewater employs. The main problems I see in watching him are ball security and locking onto receivers. A lot of young QBs have this problem. But then, most rookie QBs are younger than 24.
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I think he's just as mobile/athletic as Bortles... doesn't have the same "spidey sense" though. By the time Savage realizes he's in trouble, it's too late.

Two biggest problems I see involve bad decision making. I don't mind a QB taking a sack, that's part of the game, but he's loosing 10+ yards on quite a few of them. Then he tends to force some throws..... may be because they were losing & he felt he had to... so those are the things I'll be watching.
 
Vinny said:
All I see is a fork sticking squarely out of Keenum. No offense to the cult of personality.
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That's what it looks like to me too... but Keenum gave them hell playing out of the spread, New England liked to spread the field, McNair really wanted to see the kid play (most likely to secure the #1 overall), he might be the darkhorse in this race.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The team backing him up was incomparably better as a whole during that period as compared to what Keenum had to work with. Every time Yates was put in after that year, he looked terrible.
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And what exactly did Keenum do this last season that says he is clearly better than Yates? Have one good game where he and AJ connected... but still lost? Took Carr-like 20 yard sacks trying to run away from the blitz? Not be able to make a hot read, which has nothing to do with the play of those around him?

I swear, I get the hometown hero bullcrap, but it's getting to be too much. People are talking about how he needs another shot at starting this coming season because it wasn't "fair" what he was asked to do last year. Well that is where the opportunities lie. When everything has gone to hell in a handbasket. And he wasn't able to do anything with that opportunity. Time to move on. I honestly don't care that it is fair.

Do I think that Yates is a starter? No. Do I think that he will be a much better back-up in this system than Keenum will be? Absolutely.

Size and mobility-wise Savage, Fitzy and Yates are very similar. Obviously OB wants his QB to look a certain way in his system. Keenum is not that QB.
 
sandman said:
And what exactly did Keenum do this last season that says he is clearly better than Yates? Have one good game where he and AJ connected... but still lost? Took Carr-like 20 yard sacks trying to run away from the blitz? Not be able to make a hot read, which has nothing to do with the play of those around him?

I swear, I get the hometown hero bullcrap, but it's getting to be too much. People are talking about how he needs another shot at starting this coming season because it wasn't "fair" what he was asked to do last year. Well that is where the opportunities lie. When everything has gone to hell in a handbasket. And he wasn't able to do anything with that opportunity. Time to move on. I honestly don't care that it is fair.

Do I think that Yates is a starter? No. Do I think that he will be a much better back-up in this system than Keenum will be? Absolutely.

Size and mobility-wise Savage, Fitzy and Yates are very similar. Obviously OB wants his QB to look a certain way in his system. Keenum is not that QB.
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Your opinion counts as much as mine, or any other fan; ie. Zero.

We'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

But, you have no idea who's a homer and who's not.
You're not in my head, or anybody else's.
So please quit with the accusations, please.
 
sandman said:
Size and mobility-wise Savage, Fitzy and Yates are very similar. Obviously OB wants his QB to look a certain way in his system. Keenum is not that QB.
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It all comes down to this. Keenum is not a BOB style QB, and I can't see him being kept around.

I think we go into the season Fitz starting, and Yates backing up, with Savage spending a year learning the system and how to be a professional QB.

This season will be all about how far Fitz can take us - and then the assessment will be made next off season about how the year went with regards to whether Fitz stays around as starter, or backs up Savage/a high draft pick QB or is moved on.
 
76Texan said:
Your opinion counts as much as mine, or any other fan; ie. Zero.
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Agreed. Someone else already mentioned Case is going to be in camp. That's more than he or Yates deserve. They'll get their chance. It's up to them to rise to the occasion.

The deck is stacked against them, welcome to the life of an NFL QB.
 
Vinny said:
he beat out the guy you think sucks. That's something.
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Regardless what I think.. does it change the fact that Keenum beat out Yates? Keenum is cheaper and holds more value/upside.. the only way he's let go over another QB who lost his spot to a undersized undrafted QB is if Keenum sucks it up at camp.

And yes, Yates does suck, but my opinion won't matter when the ax drops. We're arguing over the 3rd QB on the roster BTW. What's the point?
 
76Texan said:
Your opinion counts as much as mine, or any other fan; ie. Zero.

We'll just have to wait and see how it shakes out.

But, you have no idea who's a homer and who's not.
You're not in my head, or anybody else's.
So please quit with the accusations, please.
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Accusations? Really? OMG, I accused someone of being a homer for the local kid. Ban my IP!!!!

:toropalm:

Note: my sarcastic replies are my humble and personal opinions that count in no way more than anyone else's sarcastic replies on this anonymous sports message board.
 
Poll results are 50-5 in favor.

I wonder if 55 know who he is ???


He does have some redeeming qualities - He has the size , has a very strong arm and isn't a statue back there. A project with long term potential.

I had other QB's above him .... but I can see the potential. If he develops even into a backup , getting him at 4:35 is good value anything beyond that is gravy. QB is such a hard position to fill.
 
sandman said:
IMHO, Yates suffered the misfortune of following up Schaub's pick-6 run by throwing one of his own. McNair then pressured Kubes into playing Keenum.

Yates has proved more on the field that Keenum has. See: Playoff win.
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:toropalm: LOL..

You are really going to give credit to Yates for that playoff win.. hahaha.. cough ha ha. Wow. I could've suited up under center in that game, would you gave me credit for the win too? Yates was a participant in that game.. nothing else.

Look I'm not going to lie.. when Keenum started I got wrapped up in the story of the local hero saving the day, but he didn't.. that's when the dream stopped. But I'm still not going to lie to myself and act like he isn't better than T.J. Yates, because he is. And I'm certainty not going to act like Yates was the reason why we beat the Bengals or give Yates for that win.
 
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