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Orrr.. They just actually thought Clowney was the best player, but your hyperbole theory is much more dramatic.
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Orrr.. They just actually thought Clowney was the best player, but your hyperbole theory is much more dramatic.
You've got to provide something legit to back it up or your statement comes across as completely unsubstantiated horse crap.
No offense, but making statements like the above and "the only reason..." presents yourself as either someone with insider knowledge or someone that just pulls rhetoric out of his butt to support a per-conceived narrative. If you cannot prove the former, then it is safe for everyone to assume the latter.
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Substantiated. Your apology has been accepted in advance. I highly suspect that this will not meet with your satisfaction. I am not sure that you would find anything agreeable.
http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=9760
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2014/5/21/5737952/blake-bortles-houston-texans-nfl-draft-2014
The butt is rhetoric free....
I'm not apologizing for anything. This blog is just opinions, man.
Although, you did give up the original source of takes that you seem to parrot, and certainly supports the idea that you only agree with perspectives that agree with your agenda.
Can you not comprehend my simple request?
".... provide something legit to back it up..."
That you consider a blog with "I’m told" in it as legit says all I need to know.
And your second link just copied and pasted the first. C'mon, man, I'm not trying to criticize or play games, but just asking for something substantial and verified instead of opinions.
Anyone can make stuff up with "I'm told" in a blog, but that doesn't make it truth.
"How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg? Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."
~ Abraham Lincoln
And before you starting defending the honor of Tony Pauline, just remember it's all his opinions:
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My sources say that they had two cards . One had Clowney and the other was blank and they were trade trolling . That card was to make the other GMs think their player was on it .
Wait .... this just in ... I have a source who says that was their order from IHOP .
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xtruroyaltyx
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I don't even get the point that is trying to be made about Bortles being on this other card.
Lets say it was Bortles...LOL so what?
They didn't pick him, so they didn't think he was a better pick than Clowney was.
Lets say it was Bortles. At best, he was their second choice.
Saying that the Texans were scared to pick him is just adding another chapter to the narrative you're writing.
Lets say it was Bortles...LOL so what?
They didn't pick him, so they didn't think he was a better pick than Clowney was.
Lets say it was Bortles. At best, he was their second choice.
Saying that the Texans were scared to pick him is just adding another chapter to the narrative you're writing.
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My sources say that anyone using Tony Pauline as a source will remain source less
But in the end McNair went with the alumni pick even if he only had 3 sacks in his last season and paltry 24 sacks in 3 years. Never mind the fact that Clowney has fully matured much like Amobi Okoye and unlikely will get any bigger, faster or stronger. Never mind the fact that Clowney's football IQ may be on the low end and as a result the reason he's a 1 trick pony who can only rush the passer from RDE with his hand in dirt. And the reason Spurrier never moved Clowney around, lining up in different positions or standing up because he couldn't grasp the playbook. Never mind the fact that once teams had played Clowney they pretty much had him figured out and knew how to neutralize him. McNair had to overlook all of this because he couldn't stomach the fact of making the same mistake he had made with David Carr. Not just the one mistake of drafting Carr but then giving Carr $10 million just to stick around for another year before Bob realized he was in denial and had to let Carr go. Bob just couldn't pull the trigger on that one again.
AngryNateFTW
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Wasn't there a card found under the Texans table that said "Mack no matter what?"
That's what I heard from Ian Rapaport on twitter during the day leading up to the draft that night. I believe he posted a picture too.
So...3 cards....sounds like a bunch of...
That's what I heard from Ian Rapaport on twitter during the day leading up to the draft that night. I believe he posted a picture too.
So...3 cards....sounds like a bunch of...
Earth to Texian: the Houston Texans drafted JD Clowney, so what's the point on ragging on the rookie when he's a member of your team now ? Why not wait until atleast preseason so we all can get a look at him and see what he looks like, then start bashing him again I guess if you aren't happy with his
performance. But what's the point doing it right now during OTAs ?
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Actually Carr was a better prospect than Bortles , JF , or Bridgewater . Having said that , JD was ranked much higher than any QB . The 2nd rated player was nabbed by the Bills in a trade up ( passed by Jags ) . The Jags then handed Mack to the Raiders with a nice silver bow on him .
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Because it is the very slow and very boring off season and as you can see, it doesn't take very much to get a rise out of the Whiffenpoofs. OK, everyone back to work, play time is over.
Head coach whatever. What does he know? Tony Pauline said otherwise, and he was "told".
See, I think you're completely wrong. My sources said it was an order from Denny's.
My sources say that anyone using Tony Pauline as a source will remain source less
yep, and we can play dueling sources. I can cite Mike Florio that it was a choice between Clowney and Mack. At least Florio works for the NFL.
But in the end, these guys can say whatever they want to say because they never have to prove it.
I'm not even trying to argue with Texian. I was just curious if the two card thing was actually verified information.
LMAO!!!!
Even funnier that you seem to believe that McNair is making personnel decisions, much less making personnel decisions based on fear, alumni considerations, and a first round pick when they were an expansion franchise.
I look forward to the link to Tony Pauline's blog that proves it all "true".
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Ole Miss Texan
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Texian - Bortles clearly was your guy and your pick from the beginning. Even before all the talk of him being the 1st QB taken and top 5-10 consideration. Kudos on your eye in identifying him and I respect your opinion that he was your #1 player and should have been the pick. I don't know for certain but I have a feeling he was O'Brien's number 1 QB as well.
Where we differ is that you think there's some ulterior motive or play going on within the Texans organization. Not choosing him because they were scared, or because McNair was also an SC guy, or they prefer a guy that had 3 sacks vs a QB that had some 4th quarter comebacks...
The bottom line and I can't believe this is really being discussed, is that the Texans thought Clowney was the best player in the entire draft and they thought he was better than any trade offer that was discussed for the #1 pick. You can disagree with that certainly but it is what it is. They did not take him because they were conforming to the mock drafts, they did not take him bc they we're scare of a Carr 2.0... They took him because they thought he was that good.
Smith's comments a day or two before the draft indicated they had settled on a player at #1 if they were to stay there, but they see certainly looking at trade possibilities. That told me it was Clowney. If Bortles was THAT highly rated by them, if they thought he was as good as you say, they wouldn't even entertain trading down and missing on a sure franchise QB. The fact is Clowney was their #1 and are really excited about adding him to our team.
As to the 2 cards filled out... My opinion is they were making one last attempt for a team to get desperate and trade up. They were not on the fence during draft night. They new it was Clowney.
I suggest we all quit trying to add drama to this and tell it like it really is. Whether it was the right pick or not, Clowney was hands down the best player in the draft in the Texans eyes and they are really really happy to have him.
Where we differ is that you think there's some ulterior motive or play going on within the Texans organization. Not choosing him because they were scared, or because McNair was also an SC guy, or they prefer a guy that had 3 sacks vs a QB that had some 4th quarter comebacks...
The bottom line and I can't believe this is really being discussed, is that the Texans thought Clowney was the best player in the entire draft and they thought he was better than any trade offer that was discussed for the #1 pick. You can disagree with that certainly but it is what it is. They did not take him because they were conforming to the mock drafts, they did not take him bc they we're scare of a Carr 2.0... They took him because they thought he was that good.
Smith's comments a day or two before the draft indicated they had settled on a player at #1 if they were to stay there, but they see certainly looking at trade possibilities. That told me it was Clowney. If Bortles was THAT highly rated by them, if they thought he was as good as you say, they wouldn't even entertain trading down and missing on a sure franchise QB. The fact is Clowney was their #1 and are really excited about adding him to our team.
As to the 2 cards filled out... My opinion is they were making one last attempt for a team to get desperate and trade up. They were not on the fence during draft night. They new it was Clowney.
I suggest we all quit trying to add drama to this and tell it like it really is. Whether it was the right pick or not, Clowney was hands down the best player in the draft in the Texans eyes and they are really really happy to have him.
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So, after relentlessly criticizing the Texans based on their performance last year and their failure to win championships in the years prior, you actually have the nerve to congratulate the laughing stock of the NFL, ignoring their recent past.
Regarding compensatory draft picks. Aside from your determination to discredit every front office move the organization makes, you may also be blinded by a misunderstanding of the rules... Any signing after June 1st, or any signing below the benchmark of (roughly)$850,00 a year, does not get counted in the compensatory equation. Therefore:
Qualifying losses:
E. Mitchell
Antonio Smith
Ben Tate
Joe Mays
Sharpton
(maybe A.Gardner)
qualifying additions:
Fitzgerald
Clemons
That should net us 3 picks... with a good shot at one in each of the 4th and 5th rounds.
FA signings that don't qualify:
K. Lewis
Powe
A. Brown
R. Matthews
Ole Miss Texan
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Great post. Similar reason why NE is unlikely to trade Mallet in my opinion or why there asking price is likely so high.
As for all the pro-jags and anti-texans rhetoric I find it pretty humorous and an attempt to further bash the Texans in regards to Bortles. That's all.
McNair is a business savvy guy and hired Casserly to run GM, we despise him now but he had great experience with the Redskins organization, the league, was well thought of. Capers had early success as HC of the expansion team Panthers but his last 2 years after NFC championship were rough. I can see the support for a defensive coach that had gone through an expansion team already, a well regarded GM with Super Bowls on the resume... Lots of stuff looks good on paper, can't really judge till down the road.
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Nope, I stand by everything I have posted but I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor.
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I guess you missed the part where Bob sent his plane to get Ed Reed and were absent when Bob announced that Case Keenum was the starting QB. Bob is much more involved than you know or want to admit. Florio works for NBC.
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Are you trolling people again young man?!!! Lol, c'mon Texian you should know the game nobody wants to hear someone else's view and opinion on a public message board. Lmao.
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I have a sense of humor. I just haven't seen anything funny. I thought you were trying to make legit points.
That is common practice. The Cap number is low for the first couple of years & escalates on the back end, when the team will most likely cut said player. If they decide said player is worth keeping, they work out an extension that replaces those back ended years.
The Texans though have made a bad habit (imo) of paying out those backended years. Mario should have been renegotiated or released/traded, Antonio should have been renegotiated or released/traded, Wade Smith should have been released.
drs23
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Thank you. I thought I was the only one that missed the humor part.
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I would say that was more of Bob getting tired of the status quo more than he was going Jerrah .
b0ng
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I like he part where when you gt called out for posting stupid stuff you try to hand wave it away as "humor" or trying to "get a rise out of people". I especially like how Playoffs destroyed your 2 card theory and you have yet to respond to it. That was the only humorous part of this whole exchange.
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"Jadeveon Clowney news has been quiet in terms of other 1st round rookies from his draft class but his talent and football I.Q. are on display every day."
Who was saying he has low football IQ??
Shake Shortles agent .
Shake Shortles agent .
Shake Shortles!
I like that!
Sounds like what he will be doing when JJ and JD get after him!
Errant Hothy
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McClain is reporting on twitter that Clowney has agreed to terms.
bhsman
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Welcome to what I said pages ago: Texian just wants to vomit his displeasure about Clowney after-the-fact and conveniently fails to respond to any direct argument that discredits his. Whether he intends to act as one or not, he's just trolling the thread and as such shouldn't be responded to as long as that's all he wants to do.
As for Clowney's deal, he gets $22 mil guaranteed it looks like.
I guess you missed the part where Rick Smith was all over that deal.
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And c'mon, man, you know as well as I do that the pressure on Kubiak to check out Keenum was purely looking at potential future assets in a dead-end season. Acting like that scenario is at all related to the 1.1 draft pick is just spinning it to fit your preconceived narrative.
Why can't you just accept the direct quote from Bill O'Brien that they were targeting Clowney all along? You go with rumors like it's truth, yet there's the head coach of the team stating the obvious and you decide to keep living in denial.
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Damn..The season is only 3 months away...
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Yup, and TC's only about a month and a half away.
drs23
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You take that back! Mr. Texian always accepts the apologies of those who point out that he's FOS "IN ADVANCE" Pffft
And he get's a
because there's not a raspberry. 
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This is the general thinking of those, who when they first wake up bow to Kirby and repeat the same exercise at noon and at sunset. uummmm mali mali uuummmm.
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or it could be someone who has a decent idea of the perception of the Texans . They were deemed to be less than tough mentally so they bring in the grizzled old injured vet who made Brady nervous . McNair also brought in Wade to help Kubes who had Richard Smith and Frank Bush as his DCs .
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Unfortunately Wade was not even initially consulted about signing Ed Reed. Wade became aware after the fact. uuummm mali mali uummmm.
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