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Selection 1.1: JaDeveon Clowney DE-OLB

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Cian Fahey ‏@Cianaf
There will probably be more dangerous pass-rushing pairs in the NFL next year, but doubt there will be a more versatile pair.

The idea of putting Clowney over the LG, Nix over the C and Watt over the RG in passing situations sounds amazing.

Maaaaan, this is the worst article I could possibly be writing today. It just makes me want to see what the Texans do with JC and JJ.
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Writing about J.J. Watt and Jadeveon Clowney. 8 of FootballOutsiders top 10 defenses had two players with 7.5+ sacks
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Don't know if I like that. Seattle is the only team on that list that did not miss the play-offs entirely, or were one & done. Buffalo had four players with more than 7.5 sacks. They had a top 10 defense & the 2nd best ground game in the league, but only won six games in 2010 with their rookie QB.
 
2014 DROY
The past seven Defensive Rookie of the Year winners have all come from Round 1 of the NFL draft. And not since the Jets’ Erik McMillan in 1988 has the player who claimed that award been selected outside of the first two rounds - McMillan was a third-rounder, though his spot at pick 63 would fall in Round 2 under the current 32-team format.

Based on that information alone, the odds to capture the 2014 DROY honor lie heavily with the 18 defensive prospects, led by Jadeveon Clowney, taken in Round 1 of this year’s draft.

A look at the likely candidates …
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thunderkyss said:
Don't know if I like that. Seattle is the only team on that list that did not miss the play-offs entirely, or were one & done. Buffalo had four players with more than 7.5 sacks. They had a top 10 defense & the 2nd best ground game in the league, but only won six games in 2010 with their rookie QB.
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Well not only that, but I've tried and tried to explain to NFL fans that the NFL rankings of offenses and defenses is a complete joke. Their system is terrible at how they rank them. It doesn't go off of scoring or points allowed. It goes off of a ton of stats put together that tell a ton of small stories and small trends. Strong units score points and don't allow a lot of points despite how many yards they give up or how many times they let a team get into the red zone on them. I've seen some great defenses over the years hardly get their props all because they weren't on some stinking NFL top 5 to top 10 list when they gave up a lot less points to other teams than teams that were ranked ahead of them. THe NFL is about who has the more points at the end of a game. None of the other stats really matter after points.
 
thunderkyss said:
Don't know if I like that. Seattle is the only team on that list that did not miss the play-offs entirely, or were one & done. Buffalo had four players with more than 7.5 sacks. They had a top 10 defense & the 2nd best ground game in the league, but only won six games in 2010 with their rookie QB.
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I don`t know if that means anything. The Seahawks won the superbowl with a dominant pass rush, so did the Giants. Baltimores pass rush wasn`t half bad as well, the Packers had Clay Matthews. You could argue that the last 4 superbowl winners had a dominant pass rush.

And it certainly helps. This is a passing league, so whatever you can do to slow down the QB will help you win games. Of course a dominant pass rush alone won`t do it. You need weapons on defense to slow down the passing game (and to make opposing offenses kick FG in the redzone) and you need weapons on offense to have a great passing games (and score TDs in the redzone).

Now on offense we have weapons that can catch the ball - and we should`ve greatly improved our redzone offense (better powerblocking and a tall, crafty TE). But we are still missing that marquee QB. On defense we definetly seem to have the pass rush done, with some minor questionmarks in the secondary.
 
Malloy said:
Any news on Clowney signing?
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Not yet. Shouldn't be a problem.

You can track draft signings here: http://www.spotrac.com/draft-tracker/nfl/

Now, instead of each team having an allotment, each pick has a predetermined amount. In other words, a player and his agent know the exact dollar figures the moment he is drafted. They also know the length; every contract is for four years, with first-round picks subject to a team option for a fifth year, also at predetermined rates. As for salaries, the vast majority of drafted players have four years of non-guaranteed minimum salaries, accompanied by a signing bonus that’s not negotiated by the agent, but predetermined by the CBA.

Bonus amounts have not changed during the four years since the new CBA: Jadeveon Clowney will receive the same bonus in 2014 that Cam Newton received in 2011. According to the NFLPA, the stagnation is due to the fact that the $15,000 per player rise in minimum salaries-the 2014 minimum is $420,000, up from $405,000 last year-has left no room for bonus increases, something the union predicts will finally change next year.

With no opportunity for negotiating, many players are questioning why they need to have an agent to handle rookie contracts...
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AngryNateFTW said:
It's Texian ' s job to argue the pick unless it was the guy he wanted. Just like when we drafted Watt he said "Get ready for multiple 4 sack years. "
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Good Grief Nate, I was more correct about Watt than you. We just went down this road. Don't you have anything better? Apparently this is all you got. I deal in REALITY, not some FANTASY LAND. It's called being able to think for oneself, CRITICAL and INDEPENDENT THINKING. That's the opposite of of a Kool Aid drinker, Group Thinker or someone who let's everyone else do their thinking for them.
 
Texian said:
Good Grief Nate, I was more correct about Watt than you. We just went down this road. Don't you have anything better? Apparently this is all you got. I deal in REALITY, not some FANTASY LAND. It's called being able to think for oneself, CRITICAL and INDEPENDENT THINKING. That's the opposite of of a Kool Aid drinker, Group Thinker or someone who let's everyone else do their thinking for them.
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Not sure how you were more correct. I said he was a beast at Wisconsin and you said he's going to be another Anthony Weaver with multiple 4 sack years. Good Grief is right.
 
Also...I forget his name but who was that DL man who could jump out of a pool? You almost called him a future HOF and I don't think he ever played a down in the NFL.
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Also...I forget his name but who was that DL man who could jump out of a pool? You almost called him a future HOF and I don't think he ever played a down in the NFL.
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The dude from San Jose State went to the Steelers I think .

Jarron Glibert drafted by da Bears .

Released by da Bills last year .
 
AngryNateFTW said:
Not sure how you were more correct. I said he was a beast at Wisconsin and you said he's going to be another Anthony Weaver with multiple 4 sack years. Good Grief is right.
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Since you keep bringing it up I have no other alternative,

This one is for Nate:

STOP the Presses! Get ready for this. Texian is about to shock the board*******

Picking JJ Watt may actually be a stroke of Genius. Yes thats right I said it, Wade may have pulled off a brilliant move. Provided he can move Mario to the Demarcus Ware position and there is no reason to think he can't. Pretty ballsy though making the pick on an assumption and not really knowing. But if it works, BRILLIANT!

http://boards.houstontexans.com/showpost.php?p=391180&postcount=258

On the other hand I can't find where you close to the above endorsing Watt 20 minutes after he was drafted.

Also, guilty as charged. From time to time I do miss on some draft picks. The further back in my history you go the more mistakes you will find. However I am greatly impressed with that you so familiar with so many of my posts and can actually quote from them from so many years ago. I didn't realize you were such a fan. Your reading is GREATLY APPRECIATED!
 
Hates on draft prospect all pre-draft.


Jumps on said prospect's bandwagon 20 minutes after selection.


#draftguru #knowsmorethanall #blake<3 #aundraybrucedrankhismilkshake
 
just hanging around jumping up and down wearing a frown upside down, just me and my ego. My ego.....my e--g--o
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Really ... I don't see it but I'm not a chicken little . :firehair:

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/JAX
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Maybe that's because your link needs to be updated. If it was current you find the following FA's that have been signed by the Jags this offseason:

Red Bryant, NT (a much better option than Hix), starter Seattle SB Champ
Chris Clemons, DE, starter Seattle SB Champ
Zane Beadles, OG, starter Denver
Toby Gerhardt, RB, Minn - back up to Peterson, but now back in the ZBS where he was so successful at Stanford
Dekoda Watson, LB, Tampa
Ziggy Hood, DT, Pittsburgh
Tandon Doss, WR, BALT

Traded Blaine Gabbert to SF.

Most people would SEE this as a a very good FA signing class. However when compared to the free agents the Texans have signed this off season, it's friggin incredible. And then there are those who will say the Texans don't have a salary cap problem.
 
Texian said:
Maybe that's because your link needs to be updated. If it was current you find the following FA's that have been signed by the Jags this offseason:

Red Bryant, NT (a much better option than Hix), starter Seattle SB Champ
Chris Clemons, DE, starter Seattle SB Champ
Zane Beadles, OG, starter Denver
Toby Gerhardt, RB, Minn - back up to Peterson, but now back in the ZBS where he was so successful at Stanford
Dekoda Watson, LB, Tampa
Ziggy Hood, DT, Pittsburgh
Tandon Doss, WR, BALT

Traded Blaine Gabbert to SF.

Most people would SEE this as a a very good FA signing class. However when compared to the free agents the Texans have signed this off season, it's friggin incredible. And then there are those who will say the Texans don't have a salary cap problem.
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You're right ... with Bortles and theses FAs ... JVille goes 4-12 . :fingergun:

ps . Those guys are listed , as second string .
 
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Texian said:
Maybe that's because your link needs to be updated. If it was current you find the following FA's that have been signed by the Jags this offseason:

Red Bryant, NT (a much better option than Hix), starter Seattle SB Champ
Chris Clemons, DE, starter Seattle SB Champ
Zane Beadles, OG, starter Denver
Toby Gerhardt, RB, Minn - back up to Peterson, but now back in the ZBS where he was so successful at Stanford
Dekoda Watson, LB, Tampa
Ziggy Hood, DT, Pittsburgh
Tandon Doss, WR, BALT

Traded Blaine Gabbert to SF.

Most people would SEE this as a a very good FA signing class. However when compared to the free agents the Texans have signed this off season, it's friggin incredible. And then there are those who will say the Texans don't have a salary cap problem.
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That's an excellent FA class for the Jags.
 
Texian said:
Most people would SEE this as a a very good FA signing class. However when compared to the free agents the Texans have signed this off season, it's friggin incredible. And then there are those who will say the Texans don't have a salary cap problem.
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I know you're not talking about me. But... it's not so much that I think the Texans don't have a salary cap problem, it's that I don't think it's the problem you say it is. The Texans structure their contracts the same way everyone else does.

We've got a lot of money on "bets" that haven't paid off. But I think they were good bets, relatively speaking. Arian Foster, I'd do it again today if I were in that position. Cushing, I have no regrets. Jjo... didn't look too bad at the time. Danieal Manning, I'd have cut him last year. OD, I love OD, good player, wasn't a bad contract, I thought it was a calculated risk worthy of taking a chance.

Duane Brown... I don't think anyone has a problem with DB76's money. Very nice deal for the Texans... Texans friendly if you will.

Matt Schaub, not very popular. However, for a starting QB the money was right. The structure gave Matt two years to prove he was a franchise QB (& he earned the right to prove it) then we could get out after that (now) at a cost savings (dead money sure, but a net gain to cut him).

Andre Johnson. I think this is the biggest problem with our cap. Even as great as Andre is, his number is way out of wack. $16M for the 2014 season. This contract needs to be restructured again, get his number down to $10M, lock him up for another four years, expect him to play another three (two at a starter's level if not #1 level).

We should be right smack dab in the middle of our "Super Bowl Window" but since we missed horribly on our QB, we're on the outside looking in having to turn to Ryan Fitzpatrick for our QB needs.

However, we've got a strong core... that's why I don't think we have a "problem" the way you think. Our cap is tied up in that "core" & we've added some very nice talent. I don't think it's going to happen, but it's not unrealistic to think we can contend for our division.
 
IDEXAN said:
That's an excellent FA class for the Jags.
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I agree. I don't know how the money worked out, but as long as it isn't too out of whack (it is FA after all), I wouldn't have a problem with the Texans doing something similar.

However, I doubt we could have landed Red Bryant or Chris Clemens (& Houston is pretty close to home for Red). They went to Jville because they are "Gus Bradley" guys.
 
thunderkyss said:
I agree. I don't know how the money worked out, but as long as it isn't too out of whack (it is FA after all), I wouldn't have a problem with the Texans doing something similar.

However, I doubt we could have landed Red Bryant or Chris Clemens (& Houston is pretty close to home for Red). They went to Jville because they are "Gus Bradley" guys.
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It's been my observation that guys who go from good teams to bad teams and over 30 , are going for that one last payday and don't play well .
 
thunderkyss said:
I know you're not talking about me. But... it's not so much that I think the Texans don't have a salary cap problem, it's that I don't think it's the problem you say it is. The Texans structure their contracts the same way everyone else does.

We've got a lot of money on "bets" that haven't paid off. But I think they were good bets, relatively speaking. Arian Foster, I'd do it again today if I were in that position. Cushing, I have no regrets. Jjo... didn't look too bad at the time. Danieal Manning, I'd have cut him last year. OD, I love OD, good player, wasn't a bad contract, I thought it was a calculated risk worthy of taking a chance.

Duane Brown... I don't think anyone has a problem with DB76's money. Very nice deal for the Texans... Texans friendly if you will.

Matt Schaub, not very popular. However, for a starting QB the money was right. The structure gave Matt two years to prove he was a franchise QB (& he earned the right to prove it) then we could get out after that (now) at a cost savings (dead money sure, but a net gain to cut him).

Andre Johnson. I think this is the biggest problem with our cap. Even as great as Andre is, his number is way out of wack. $16M for the 2014 season. This contract needs to be restructured again, get his number down to $10M, lock him up for another four years, expect him to play another three (two at a starter's level if not #1 level).

We should be right smack dab in the middle of our "Super Bowl Window" but since we missed horribly on our QB, we're on the outside looking in having to turn to Ryan Fitzpatrick for our QB needs.

However, we've got a strong core... that's why I don't think we have a "problem" the way you think. Our cap is tied up in that "core" & we've added some very nice talent. I don't think it's going to happen, but it's not unrealistic to think we can contend for our division.
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Your core is 2-14. You want to blame Andre for his contract being out of whack when it's the the Texans who are DIRECTLY responsible for AJ's out of whack contract. It was the Texans who for the last 3 years and now looks like 4, went to AJ and asked him to renegotiate his contract. Why? So they could finagle enough salary cap room to pay a full 53 man roster. And that is a serious salary cap PROBLEM whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Not mention the Texans haven't had enough salary cap space to sign a middle of the road free agent much less. But how can the Texans sign a middle of road free agent when the don't have enough money to fill out a 53 man roster?

And what did the Texans have to do in order to sign AF to an $8 million a year contract when they could've tendered him at $2 mil instead?
 
Texian said:
Maybe that's because your link needs to be updated. If it was current you find the following FA's that have been signed by the Jags this offseason:

Red Bryant, NT (a much better option than Hix), starter Seattle SB Champ
Chris Clemons, DE, starter Seattle SB Champ
Zane Beadles, OG, starter Denver
Toby Gerhardt, RB, Minn - back up to Peterson, but now back in the ZBS where he was so successful at Stanford
Dekoda Watson, LB, Tampa
Ziggy Hood, DT, Pittsburgh
Tandon Doss, WR, BALT

Traded Blaine Gabbert to SF.

Most people would SEE this as a a very good FA signing class. However when compared to the free agents the Texans have signed this off season, it's friggin incredible. And then there are those who will say the Texans don't have a salary cap problem.
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Texans will have 10 draft picks next season, because they will add 3 more compensatory picks. So, while they sign fringe free agents for $1 million per year, they will add an additional 3 compensatory picks at well under $1 mill per year, owning those players for 4 years...

I'm not sure what is so exciting about Clemons and Red Bryant. They will gobble up cap space, help Jacksonville to 6 or 7 wins and be on the back side of their careers before Jacksonville has the pieces in place to be competitive.

Do you really want to compare the management of talent between these two organizations? Over the past 6 years, the Texans have only had one losing season... The team just had a great draft (to be determined), is well under the cap and is a very young team with the best defensive player in the NFL.
 
Texian said:
Your core is 2-14. You want to blame Andre for his contract being out of whack when it's the the Texans who are DIRECTLY responsible for AJ's out of whack contract. It was the Texans who for the last 3 years and now looks like 4, went to AJ and asked him to renegotiate his contract. Why? So they could finagle enough salary cap room to pay a full 53 man roster. And that is a serious salary cap PROBLEM whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Not mention the Texans haven't had enough salary cap space to sign a middle of the road free agent much less. But how can the Texans sign a middle of road free agent when the don't have enough money to fill out a 53 man roster?

And what did the Texans have to do in order to sign AF to an $8 million a year contract when they could've tendered him at $2 mil instead?
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Yes, the core went 2-14 last season. Probably less than 9 wins in 2014. Doesn't change anything. You've either got a Porsche in your garage, or $100,000 under your mattress. We threw a rod on our ride, that's all. If we can get that fixed, we're rolling again, if we can get it fixed soon. A couple of years from now, a thrown rod may be the least of our problems.

Yeah, Seattle's got that Hemi powered Charger across the finish line before we could get our Porsche out the driveway & it cost them a lot less. But they pay their players same as we do, structure their contracts same as we do. They hit everything just right. We missed a few times.
 
dalemurphy said:
Do you really want to compare the management of talent between these two organizations?
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Since you asked, let's compare.

Shahid Khan, Owner, bought Jags 1/4/12, completely gutted and cleaned house in 2013, firing GM and head coach. Hired a new President in 2012, GM and Head Coach in 2013. Cleaned up Salary Cap and made substantial improvements that would allow Jags to get much better.

Mark Lamping, President, hired 2/13/12, former President of St. Louis Cardinals and CEO of New Meadowlands Stadium Company. Has a World Series and Super Bowl Ring.

David Caldwell, GM, hired 1/8/13, a veteran of 17 years in NFL front offices.

Gus Bradley, Head Coach, hired 1/17/13

So after a complete overhaul and cleaning out of bad contracts and streamlining the salary cap, yes, Shahid Khan has his team well positioned to make great strides and improvements. Bob McNair should take notes. Yes I think the Texans would be much better off with Jags front office, management and Head Coach.

I say this not because I am a Jags fan. I say this not because I am hating on the Texans. I say this because I see it as the truth.

As a result of the Jags complete house cleaning, do not be surprised if the Jags win more than 8 games this year with two of those wins, once again, coming against the Texans.

In regards to your comments, " because they will add 3 more compensatory picks." I am not so sure that this will be the case. The Texans have signed 7 free agents in this off season. Those signings will off set any free agents lost. 3 comp picks may be a little aggressive and a lot of wishing and hoping.
 
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sandman said:
Honest question: Did you consider the core of the team 12-4 after the 2012 season?
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Yes I did. The 2011 Texans was the best team. This is also the year they began setting the stage for salary cap hell and the dismantling of their best team. Look at the players they cut to sign Foster. Look at the good players that have left in free agency in 2012, 2013 and 2014 that were never replaced as result of being in salary cap hell. As for the 12-4 2012 team I also took in to account that Peyton Manning was no longer the Colts QB and Jeff Fisher was no longer the Titans HC. The Texans have been getting worse since 2011. 2013 season was a result of the culmination of bad seeds planted in 2011 and 2012. IMHO 2014 could be equally as bad as a result of the bad seeds planted in 2011, 2012 and 2013.
 
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Texian said:
Since you asked, let's compare.

Shahid Khan, Owner, bought Jags 1/4/12, completely gutted and cleaned house in 2013, firing GM and head coach. Hired a new President in 2012, GM and Head Coach in 2013. Cleaned up Salary Cap and made substantial improvements that would allow Jags to get much better.

Mark Lamping, President, hired 2/13/12, former President of St. Louis Cardinals and CEO of New Meadowlands Stadium Company. Has a World Series and Super Bowl Ring.

David Caldwell, GM, hired 1/8/13, a veteran of 17 years in NFL front offices.

Gus Bradley, Head Coach, hired 1/17/13

So after a complete overhaul and cleaning out of bad contracts and streamlining the salary cap, yes, Shahid Khan has his team well positioned to make great strides and improvements. Bob McNair should take notes. Yes I think the Texans would be much better off with Jags front office, management and Head Coach.

I say this not because I am a Jags fan. I say this not because I am hating on the Texans. I say this because I see it as the truth.

As a result of the Jags complete house cleaning, do not be surprised if the Jags win more than 8 games this year with two of those wins, once again, coming against the Texans.

In regards to your comments, " because they will add 3 more compensatory picks." I am not so sure that this will be the case. The Texans have signed 7 free agents in this off season. Those signings will off set any free agents lost. 3 comp picks may be a little aggressive and a lot of wishing and hoping.
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Will they be the LA Jaguars with this ownership group ?

Clowney was easily the best prospect so they picked him because of that .
 
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Texian said:
The only reason the Texans drafted Jadeveon Clowney is because they were absolutely scared to death of David Carr 2.0. You simply can't win playing with a scared mentality.

Better?
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Or maybe they thought pairing Clowney with Watt would allow the team to have a chance at having an elite defense to deal with Luck over the next decade.

Or maybe because of O'Briens ties with O'Leary he was told that Bortles wasn't worthy of 1-1 and the 2014 QB class stunk so the Texans org decided to finally do the right thing and draft BPA.

We will never know the answers, but I'm very excited about the Texans future and the fact that BOB seems to be an upgrade at HCand Smith has finally gotten the art of cleaning up the salary cap mess that HE created cleaned up. If the Texans can find a QB (Savage or a 2015 draft pick) then the future will be great. IMHO
 
Texian said:
The only reason the Texans drafted Jadeveon Clowney is because they were absolutely scared to death of David Carr 2.0. You simply can't win playing with a scared mentality.

Better?
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I know you're hurt they didn't take your guy but this is an absurd statement. Did STL skip on Bortles because they're scared he'd be Sam Bradford 2.0? Clowney and Robinson were better options than a QB that is not ready to start.
 
Texian said:
The only reason the Texans drafted Jadeveon Clowney is because they were absolutely scared to death of David Carr 2.0. You simply can't win playing with a scared mentality.

Better?
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Pretty sure they just thought Clowney was the better player.

Doesn't make them right, but by the same token, you aren't going to prove yourself to be right over the next few weeks by posting a bunch of stuff on the message board either.

Probably should just let it play out before we make declarations on who screwed up.
 
Texian said:
Since you asked, let's compare.

Shahid Khan, Owner, bought Jags 1/4/12, completely gutted and cleaned house in 2013, firing GM and head coach. Hired a new President in 2012, GM and Head Coach in 2013. Cleaned up Salary Cap and made substantial improvements that would allow Jags to get much better.

Mark Lamping, President, hired 2/13/12, former President of St. Louis Cardinals and CEO of New Meadowlands Stadium Company. Has a World Series and Super Bowl Ring.

David Caldwell, GM, hired 1/8/13, a veteran of 17 years in NFL front offices.

Gus Bradley, Head Coach, hired 1/17/13

So after a complete overhaul and cleaning out of bad contracts and streamlining the salary cap, yes, Shahid Khan has his team well positioned to make great strides and improvements. Bob McNair should take notes. Yes I think the Texans would be much better off with Jags front office, management and Head Coach.

I say this not because I am a Jags fan. I say this not because I am hating on the Texans. I say this because I see it as the truth.

As a result of the Jags complete house cleaning, do not be surprised if the Jags win more than 8 games this year with two of those wins, once again, coming against the Texans.

In regards to your comments, " because they will add 3 more compensatory picks." I am not so sure that this will be the case. The Texans have signed 7 free agents in this off season. Those signings will off set any free agents lost. 3 comp picks may be a little aggressive and a lot of wishing and hoping.
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In the two seasons since this "overhaul" was made, the Jags have won all of six games out of 32.

While we imploded - due to various factors all hitting at once - last season, we went to the playoffs the year before. And I wouldn't be surprised for us to finish higher in the standings than the Jags this coming year.

I don't see your point here in using them as a shining example of success.
 
steelbtexan said:
Or maybe because of O'Briens ties with O'Leary he was told that Bortles wasn't worthy of 1-1 and the 2014 QB class stunk so the Texans org decided to finally do the right thing and draft BPA.
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Texans had two cards filled out, one with Clowney's name on it the other with Bortles name so that kind of disproves your above theory.

xtruroyaltyx said:
Pretty sure they just thought Clowney was the better player.
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Pretty sure Bob McNair was scared to death of the possibility of living through another 5 years of David Carr and sided with his hometown guy Clowney.
 
ObsiWan said:
In the two seasons since this "overhaul" was made, the Jags have won all of six games out of 32.

While we imploded - due to various factors all hitting at once - last season, we went to the playoffs the year before. And I wouldn't be surprised for us to finish higher in the standings than the Jags this coming year.

I don't see your point here in using them as a shining example of success.
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The new GM and HC were hired at the beginning of 2013 season (only 1 year ago). The new President was hired two years ago, not long after Shad bought the team.

In the one year that Caldwell and Gus have been at the helm, the Jags won 4 games in 2013, that's a 100% improvement over 2012 and the Jags finished the 2013 season winning 4 of their last 8 games.

The point being I was asked, "Do you really want to compare the management of talent between these two organizations?" SO I politely responded and answered the question.
 
Texian said:
Pretty sure Bob McNair was scared to death of the possibility of living through another 5 years of David Carr and sided with his hometown guy Clowney.
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If he thought that Bortles was going to be David Carr again, then that means he thought Clowney was better.

Texans aren't passing on Andrew Luck because they think he's going to be David Carr.
 
thunderkyss said:
But they pay their players same as we do, structure their contracts same as we do.
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Not necessarily. This kind of thinking is conveniently dismissing the truth. The fact is beginning in 2011 the Texans had a very bad habit of back loading contracts. This is NOT a common practice and usually done more out of deperation. That is part of the BIG problem and a HUGE contributing factor why the Texans have little or no salary cap space at the beginning of each year, even after high salaried players (Antonio Smith $9 million) drop off the books. Many of the contracts negotiated 3-4 years ago, those salaries have escalated so severely, they eat up most of the salaries that are lost in free agency. Compound that with a constant and and continued practice of renegotiating contracts every year and it's death spiral financing into salary cap hell each and every year.
 
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