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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

thunderkyss said:
Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never my deciding factor for whether or not Watson should start. My reasons were two fold...
1) He is the future
2) Can he protect himself

Personally, I think the sooner he starts the sooner this becomes the team we want it to be.

I think the Texans want Watson to start sooner rather than later. What I saw last night did not convince me he wasn't ready. He made good decisions with the ball. He didn't hurt the team.
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Really? Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never your deciding factor? Shouldn't it be? I mean, how many years do you want to watch grab-ass "on the fly" QB play by Texans QB's? I'm looking forward to watching someone make the right decisions in this system for a change. The few glimpses of it we had under Fitz, Mallett, and Hoyer were good stuff. Our first team offense is a LT (and Brown will be back) and an effective starting RB away from finally looking like I hoped it would look when O'Brien was brought in.

Of course Watson is the future and of course he can protect himself. Those are just inherent in his draft position and skill set. He had those the moment he became a Texan. Not knowing the offense well enough is a deal breaker for me. I can't think of one QB ever who was a long-term success without understanding the offense. I don't want Watson to be Vince Young or RGIII. I want him to be Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. I want him to be a decade plus answer to the QB question and I don't want him to have to do it going through 2-3 head coaches and multiple offensive systems. When he gets adequate protection and competent, intelligent play out of his QB O'Brien's "system" appears to produce results

I'm not sure what Savage would have to do in order to hold him off. Win a Super Bowl maybe? Would we even then try to bring him back then? Probably not I suspect and that's fine if Watson works out. If he doesn't then it's going to be "QB Ready - Texans Throw Him Away" which to me sounds eerily like a headline in our future.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
...and he didn't face an opposing teams first team defense. With Savage playing the way O'Brien probably envisioned, this just bought Watson the team he needed to become a better QB in the long run. Watson pulling the ball down and running is working for now but when the first unit is on the field they will get to him faster and hit him harder. Also, don't think for a minute that if he's chewing up a defense with his legs that someone wont cheap shot him and take the 15 yd PF. TS can take this team as far a she can and then it's Watson's team.
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So you are a femme basher!:D
 
Hervoyel said:
Really? Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never your deciding factor? Shouldn't it be? I mean, how many years do you want to watch grab-ass "on the fly" QB play by Texans QB's? I'm looking forward to watching someone make the right decisions in this system for a change.
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I hear you. But I think O'Briens offense is going to be grab-ass "on the fly" until we get a QB to year two.

Not that he's making things up as he goes along, but his QB's abilities will shape a lot of what he will try to do.

We're going to fumble our way through Tom Savage year one. & when it's Watson's turn, we'll fumble through his first year as well.

To me, this preseason is about determining if Watson is everything they thought he was. If so, & he's the future, we're wasting time every time we send Savage out.
 
thunderkyss said:
I hear you. But I think O'Briens offense is going to be grab-ass "on the fly" until we get a QB to year two.

Not that he's making things up as he goes along, but his QB's abilities will shape a lot of what he will try to do.

We're going to fumble our way through Tom Savage year one. & when it's Watson's turn, we'll fumble through his first year as well.

To me, this preseason is about determining if Watson is everything they thought he was. If so, & he's the future, we're wasting time every time we send Savage out.
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In actuality...Savage has been the only solid QB that O'Brien has had. He's been within the system for 3 years and owns a complete understanding of what O'Brien wants to do with this offense. O'Brien's desire within his scheme is to have a QB that handles the pocket and avoids TO's. To this point, Savage has delivered on both points and done so with less than 100% of the existing (starting) pieces of this offense on the field at one time. I'd like to see this happen in NO but Brown's hold-out will still leave questions on the OL. I'd also like to see Foreman get a shot to work with the first unit.
 
Corrosion said:
Savage is doing his best to make me eat crow .... The last drive against Carolina and his first quarter Vs the BeleCheats ..... he's looked every bit the NFL starter.
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My only real fear at this point is that he ends up hurt. I think I'm seeing him add experience to a very good NFL arm and a complete grasp of the playbook. If he plays next week against the Saints like he did this first quarter with similar efficiency and results I'll believe what My eyes are telling me.

If he stumbles we always have Watson. If Savage gets injured again we can get started with him.
 
thunderkyss said:
Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never my deciding factor for whether or not Watson should start. My reasons were two fold...
1) He is the future
2) Can he protect himself

Personally, I think the sooner he starts the sooner this becomes the team we want it to be.

I think the Texans want Watson to start sooner rather than later. What I saw last night did not convince me he wasn't ready. He made good decisions with the ball. He didn't hurt the team.
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I'm sure Bob/Ricky McNair want Watson to start. Do you think BOB wants to play his best QB, which right now is obviously Savage?
 
thunderkyss said:
Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never my deciding factor for whether or not Watson should start. My reasons were two fold...
1) He is the future
2) Can he protect himself

Personally, I think the sooner he starts the sooner this becomes the team we want it to be.

I think the Texans want Watson to start sooner rather than later. What I saw last night did not convince me he wasn't ready. He made good decisions with the ball. He didn't hurt the team.
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I'm sure Bob/Ricky McNair want Watson to start. Do you think BOB wants to play his best QB, which right now is obviously Savage?
 
Hervoyel said:
My only real fear at this point is that he ends up hurt. I think I'm seeing him add experience to a very good NFL arm and a complete grasp of the playbook. If he plays next week against the Saints like he did this first quarter with similar efficiency and results I'll believe what My eyes are telling me.

If he stumbles we always have Watson. If Savage gets injured again we can get started with him.
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Yeah , injury has to be a concern with any player in the NFL , more so for a guy who's had a history of injuries derailing his season.

I do have to wonder if those injuries were at least in part the team hiding him ..... making a roster spot .... If he had been the starter , would he have been IR'd or would he have played ?


As for Watson - that first game , he had me thinking he might be ready , after this last one .... not so much. He has a lot of work to do to be even remotely competent on an NFL level. The accuracy issues are a real concern.
 
steelbtexan said:
I'm sure Bob/Ricky McNair want Watson to start. Do you think BOB wants to play his best QB, which right now is obviously Savage?
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I think McNair wants to win a :trophy:, Rick wants Watson to win a :trophy: and OB wants to win a :trophy:. I doubt any of them care which QB leads them to that :trophy:. The goal of all of this is to win a :trophy:. The question of which QB can lead the Texans to a :trophy:
in 2017 is an open question. My $$ is on Savage.
 
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Uncle Rico said:
Last night was a testament to Savage knowing where everyone should be on every play.
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A bit of an overstatement. I'm not trying to tear Savage down. But he's still holding the ball too long, throwing late, & I think his transition from the play to improvisation is still lacking.

All things we can & should expect to improve over time.

I'd like to see him play with Foreman in the backfield, or more Blue. Lamar Miller ain't doing him any favors.
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
In actuality...Savage has been the only solid QB that O'Brien has had. He's been within the system for 3 years and owns a complete understanding of what O'Brien wants to do with this offense.
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I haven't seen enough Savage to say he's been solid. Right now, he's Mallet before we actually saw Mallett play for Billy O.

Without the poor accuracy Mallett was known for, that is.
 
O'Brien must not think highly of Savage since he 1)ir'ed him 2) signed Osweiler 3) drafted Watson

When we could have just gone with Savage
 
thunderkyss said:
I haven't seen enough Savage to say he's been solid. Right now, he's Mallet before we actually saw Mallett play for Billy O.

Without the poor accuracy Mallett was known for, that is.
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If I had one complaint about Savage thus far , its his internal clock being a half a beat slow..... he stands in that pocket a little long on occasion.
 
thunderkyss said:
A bit of an overstatement. I'm not trying to tear Savage down. But he's still holding the ball too long, throwing late, & I think his transition from the play to improvisation is still lacking.

All things we can & should expect to improve over time.

If like to see him play with Foreman in the backfield, or more Blue. Lamar Miller ain't doing him any favors.
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It's case by case at this point. Savage had a superior game as a quarterback than Deshaun did LAST NIGHT. Im like nacho libre "I wanna wiiin" so give me the guy who accomplishes that for the immediate future. I love what I see in Watson, as soon as he learns the playbook and how to spot tendencies he should overtake Savage...

Unless the amazing happens and Tom Savage turns into Tom Brady. Everyone loving Watson, kid breathing down his neck he says "f everybody" and leads this team to a championship this year. It could happen right?
 
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steelbtexan said:
I'm sure Bob/Ricky McNair want Watson to start. Do you think BOB wants to play his best QB, which right now is obviously Savage?
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I've always looked at things differently. Some say I'm just contrarian & looking for something to argue.

But right now, I just don't see Savage as "better." He's got a few games under his belt, & years of film study, supposedly with Bill O'Brien, but most likely with Godsey.

At some point during the season I'm sure someone will argue we should temper our expectations because Savage is "a rookie for all practical purposes. It may very well be me.

That's what I see when I see Savage, year one. If Savage makes 16 games as our starter, & a few post season games, I'll be pushing for Savage to start 2018. More than anything else, I want to see a QB in year two of O'Briens "system."
 
thunderkyss said:
A bit of an overstatement. I'm not trying to tear Savage down. But he's still holding the ball too long, throwing late, & I think his transition from the play to improvisation is still lacking.

All things we can & should expect to improve over time.

If like to see him play with Foreman in the backfield, or more Blue. Lamar Miller ain't doing him any favors.
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I've had that thought too. Savage has had very little running game and still managed to do well. I'd like to see him with an effective running game too.
 
Hervoyel said:
Really? Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never your deciding factor? Shouldn't it be? I mean, how many years do you want to watch grab-ass "on the fly" QB play by Texans QB's? I'm looking forward to watching someone make the right decisions in this system for a change. The few glimpses of it we had under Fitz, Mallett, and Hoyer were good stuff. Our first team offense is a LT (and Brown will be back) and an effective starting RB away from finally looking like I hoped it would look when O'Brien was brought in.

Of course Watson is the future and of course he can protect himself. Those are just inherent in his draft position and skill set. He had those the moment he became a Texan. Not knowing the offense well enough is a deal breaker for me. I can't think of one QB ever who was a long-term success without understanding the offense. I don't want Watson to be Vince Young or RGIII. I want him to be Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees. I want him to be a decade plus answer to the QB question and I don't want him to have to do it going through 2-3 head coaches and multiple offensive systems. When he gets adequate protection and competent, intelligent play out of his QB O'Brien's "system" appears to produce results

I'm not sure what Savage would have to do in order to hold him off. Win a Super Bowl maybe? Would we even then try to bring him back then? Probably not I suspect and that's fine if Watson works out. If he doesn't then it's going to be "QB Ready - Texans Throw Him Away" which to me sounds eerily like a headline in our future.
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Great points but haven't you seen teams start their rookies day one? I mean those team have experience a level of success by starting their rookie QB's. You do know it's a good chance Savage won't be a Texans next year? Are you tired of seeing a different starting QB year in and year out? I know I am. Oh do you think Flacco, Big Ben or any of those day one starting QB's knew their teams playbook? Even Tom Brady didn't know the Patriots offensive playbook when he got his shot. He just managed the game . I said all that to say, great coaches knows how to managed their day one starting rookie QB's. They slowly bring them alone by putting in plays they are comfortable with. They feed them more of the playbook as the season progresses.
 
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Some quick gif's I made of Thomas Benjamin Savage:

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Knows he is gonna get drilled but stands in there and completes the pass. Kid is fearless

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Feels the pocket collapsing but steps up and completion
 
Hervoyel said:
O'Brien says it's a complicated offense. Why not take him at his word? Give Watson time to learn the system like Savage and work on his fundamentals and you might just see something special when he takes the field. Run him out there before he's ready and you'll be bitching about the wasted pick before long. Give him time. Savage won't be here beyond 2017 anyway. He's not under contract and if he looks like he has so far this preseason (and plays the whole year that way) then he's going to sign a fat contract with someone to be their starter.
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Great post ....


Just one little nitpick: If Savage keeps playing like this thru the season he will be back - they'll either work out an extension or franchise tag him. Tricky Rick wont let Savage walk for no compensation in that case. Watson or no Watson.
 
thunderkyss said:
Whether Watson knows the offense or not was never my deciding factor for whether or not Watson should start. My reasons were two fold...
1) He is the future
2) Can he protect himself

Personally, I think the sooner he starts the sooner this becomes the team we want it to be.

I think the Texans want Watson to start sooner rather than later. What I saw last night did not convince me he wasn't ready. He made good decisions with the ball. He didn't hurt the team.
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I don't think anyone in the organization gives a rats ass who starts at QB or any other position .... as long as they are posting W's.


Without a doubt Savage gives you a better shot at posting W's right now. When that changes .... then its time to go to Watson.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Great points but haven't you seen teams start their rookies day one? I mean those team have experience a level of success by starting their rookie QB's. You do know it's a good chance Savage won't be a Texans next year? Are you tired of seeing a different starting QB year in and year out? I know I am. Oh do you think Flacco, Big Ben or any of those day one starting QB's knew their teams playbook? Even Tom Brady didn't know the Patriots offensive playbook when he got his shot. He just managed the game . I said all that to say, great coaches knows how to managed their day one starting rookie QB's. They slowly bring them alone by putting in plays they are comfortable with. They feed them more of the playbook as the season progresses.
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the guys you mentioned only started because of injury to the starters.
And Brady didnt start until year two.
The Ravens and Steelers recorded the most rushing attempts in the NFL in those respective years.
Flacco threw for just over 170 yards a game, with a 14-12 TD/Int ratio.
Big Ben averaged about 12 yards more.

The Ravens D ranked 3rd in yard allowed and 2nd in points allowed.
The Steelers were first in both categories.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Great points but haven't you seen teams start their rookies day one? I mean those team have experience a level of success by starting their rookie QB's. You do know it's a good chance Savage won't be a Texans next year? Are you tired of seeing a different starting QB year in and year out? I know I am. Oh do you think Flacco, Big Ben or any of those day one starting QB's knew their teams playbook? Even Tom Brady didn't know the Patriots offensive playbook when he got his shot. He just managed the game . I said all that to say, great coaches knows how to managed their day one starting rookie QB's. They slowly bring them alone by putting in plays they are comfortable with. They feed them more of the playbook as the season progresses.
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I have indeed seen teams do that and when you or anyone else reading this works out how to know when to do that and when not to I think you need to share that with the rest of us. For every player you can name who shot to greatness being started right out of the gate I can name 2-3 that didn't.

I'm also aware of Savage's contract situation. I pointed it out in the exact same post of mine you quoted. Corrosion rightly mentions that we'll get some compensation even if we do let him go but yeah his place in the contract timeline is well known. If he plays well we end up in our version of the Chargers Brees/Rivers situation. Not a bad place to be really.

We're all tired of seeing a different starting QB every year since O'Brien got here but all you want to do is start a "different" different QB than I do because he appears to be our future. I'm not even saying he isn't. I'm saying that of the two Tom Savage looks like the one that knows what he's doing and Watson looks like the one still putting everything together. Regardless of what any of those starting QB's did you (and I) don't know that we have one of those in Watson yet and we won't know until he plays in real games. This coach doesn't seem like the kind of guy who starts rookies. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who ranks "knowing the playbook" as far down as some of you guys do. He seems to actually emphasize that. O'Brien has made the team win with guys he had to make up a playbook on the fly for like Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, and Brandon Weeden. All came in and had to start immediately and all of them are arguably less capable than Savage or Watson but he made it work. Does he look to you like a coach who just wants to "make it work" with someone?

He's been coaching up Savage for three years now. Why does no one want to see what a QB with tangible knowledge of the offense can do? I don't get it.
 
Hervoyel said:
I have indeed seen teams do that and when you or anyone else reading this works out how to know when to do that and when not to I think you need to share that with the rest of us. For every player you can name who shot to greatness being started right out of the gate I can name 2-3 that didn't.

I'm also aware of Savage's contract situation. I pointed it out in the exact same post of mine you quoted. Corrosion rightly mentions that we'll get some compensation even if we do let him go but yeah his place in the contract timeline is well known. If he plays well we end up in our version of the Chargers Brees/Rivers situation. Not a bad place to be really.

We're all tired of seeing a different starting QB every year since O'Brien got here but all you want to do is start a "different" different QB than I do because he appears to be our future. I'm not even saying he isn't. I'm saying that of the two Tom Savage looks like the one that knows what he's doing and Watson looks like the one still putting everything together. Regardless of what any of those starting QB's did you (and I) don't know that we have one of those in Watson yet and we won't know until he plays in real games. This coach doesn't seem like the kind of guy who starts rookies. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who ranks "knowing the playbook" as far down as some of you guys do. He seems to actually emphasize that. O'Brien has made the team win with guys he had to make up a playbook on the fly for like Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, and Brandon Weeden. All came in and had to start immediately and all of them are arguably less capable than Savage or Watson but he made it work. Does he look to you like a coach who just wants to "make it work" with someone?

He's been coaching up Savage for three years now. Why does no one want to see what a QB with tangible knowledge of the offense can do? I don't get it.
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Just hope McNair and RS make the right choice when it's their turn....Bree's won a SB with NO while the Chargers and Rivers put up stats but haven't brought a Lombardi Trophy to SD.
 
76Texan said:
the guys you mentioned only started because of injury to the starters.
And Brady didnt start until year two.
The Ravens and Steelers recorded the most rushing attempts in the NFL in those respective years.
Flacco threw for just over 170 yards a game, with a 14-12 TD/Int ratio.
Big Ben averaged about 12 yards more.

The Ravens D ranked 3rd in yard allowed and 2nd in points allowed.
The Steelers were first in both categories.
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The main point is they didn't know the playbook and they were brought along slowly. Even the great Tom Brady.

76 I know the history, thus the reason why I used them as examples.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just hope McNair and RS make the right choice when it's their turn....Bree's won a SB with NO while the Chargers and Rivers put up stats but haven't brought a Lombardi Trophy to SD.
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Indeed. No way of knowing but I'd like to find out what Savage has to offer before we send him packing. How shitty would it be to kick him to the curb because Watson's so "exciting" and then get to watch Savage go somewhere and do something like that? How shitty would it be to eventually trade Watson for something because Savage is putting up stats and see Watson go on to great things knowing we had him here and didn't realize what we had?

You just don't know until you pull the trigger one way or the other what's going to happen. We all hope they get it right.
 
Hervoyel said:
I have indeed seen teams do that and when you or anyone else reading this works out how to know when to do that and when not to I think you need to share that with the rest of us. For every player you can name who shot to greatness being started right out of the gate I can name 2-3 that didn't.

I'm also aware of Savage's contract situation. I pointed it out in the exact same post of mine you quoted. Corrosion rightly mentions that we'll get some compensation even if we do let him go but yeah his place in the contract timeline is well known. If he plays well we end up in our version of the Chargers Brees/Rivers situation. Not a bad place to be really.

We're all tired of seeing a different starting QB every year since O'Brien got here but all you want to do is start a "different" different QB than I do because he appears to be our future. I'm not even saying he isn't. I'm saying that of the two Tom Savage looks like the one that knows what he's doing and Watson looks like the one still putting everything together. Regardless of what any of those starting QB's did you (and I) don't know that we have one of those in Watson yet and we won't know until he plays in real games. This coach doesn't seem like the kind of guy who starts rookies. He doesn't seem like the kind of guy who ranks "knowing the playbook" as far down as some of you guys do. He seems to actually emphasize that. O'Brien has made the team win with guys he had to make up a playbook on the fly for like Case Keenum, T.J. Yates, and Brandon Weeden. All came in and had to start immediately and all of them are arguably less capable than Savage or Watson but he made it work. Does he look to you like a coach who just wants to "make it work" with someone?

He's been coaching up Savage for three years now. Why does no one want to see what a QB with tangible knowledge of the offense can do? I don't get it.
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Because he won't be here next year possibly. If he bounces then we're back to square peg 1. Therefore, let the rookie learn in the field of battle. That iron might pay dividends in year 2 verses year 3.
 
Texansballer74 said:
The main point is they didn't know the playbook and they were brought along slowly. Even the great Tom Brady.

76 I know the history, thus the reason why I used them as examples.
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It's also true that like those situations we are a team with a great defense and a very solid running game (If Miller will just pull his head out of his fourth point of contact and look for the hole instead of an OL's back). We're deep at running back and we can move the ball on the ground.

But you're in a hurry to move on before you know what you have in Savage and to me that's just a bad idea. Particularly when signs point to him getting better the more game reps he gets.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Because he won't be here next year possibly. If he bounces then we're back to square peg 1. Therefore, let the rookie learn in the field of battle. That iron might pay dividends in year 2 verses year 3.
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Did you read what Corrosion wrote? I didn't even consider that but it's true. If by the end of the year we look like we're sitting on a fully developed franchise QB we're going to franchise tag him and/or trade him if we're still sure Watson is the future. Watson is on his rookie deal. He isn't going anywhere and he's not costing us a fortune either.

Screw year 2 versus year 3. I want to see dividends in year NOW.
 
Hervoyel said:
Did you read what Corrosion wrote? I didn't even consider that but it's true. If by the end of the year we look like we're sitting on a fully developed franchise QB we're going to franchise tag him and/or trade him if we're still sure Watson is the future. Watson is on his rookie deal. He isn't going anywhere and he's not costing us a fortune either.

Screw year 2 versus year 3. I want to see dividends in year NOW.
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Savage is not taking us to the promise land this year either. Would be nice but lets be real.

That's one possibility but you and can best believe we didn't jump up in the draft for Watson to sit 2-4 years either.
 
Hervoyel said:
It's also true that like those situations we are a team with a great defense and a very solid running game (If Miller will just pull his head out of his fourth point of contact and look for the hole instead of an OL's back). We're deep at running back and we can move the ball on the ground.

But you're in a hurry to move on before you know what you have in Savage and to me that's just a bad idea. Particularly when signs point to him getting better the more game reps he gets.
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This has been the basis of my argument in regards to Savage since 2016. I 100% put the blame of the Osweiler fiasco at the feet of the responsible parties...McNair and RS. That foolish move cost the Texans the opportunity to truly gauge Savage's growth by a very important season and worse yet killed the possible approach to the 2017 NFL Draft and crushed the 2018 Draft in the process.

The worst thing that could happen now, compounding that mess by giving the starting job to Watson b/c of his draft position with no real knowledge of what Savage can or cannot do as QB1. The Texans now find themselves in a make or break season with Savage since he's in year 4 of his 4 year contract and O'Brien has 3+ years vested in him as a QB. With this in mind, Savage must be given his chance this season to determine if O'Brien had it right when he drafted him.

Watson has time on his side and he needs to utilize this time to correct the flaws in his game that were identified during the draft process. In the end, patience can be virtue and might finally get this Texans team on the right path.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Savage is not taking us to the promise land this year either. Would be nice but lets be real.

That's one possibility but you and can best believe we didn't jump up in the draft for Watson to sit 2-4 years either.
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Savage doesn't have to take us to the promised land this year and you're right, it's incredibly unlikely that it happens. All he has to do is play well enough to look legitimate and convince someone to work a tag/sign/trade deal for him and just like that you got some picks to get Watson some weapons or protectors. Whatever he needs and maybe by that time he knows the playbook well enough to look over all his options before he takes of running or rolls out. It's not a wasted season to play Savage this year. It's an due diligence and an investment in a player who might net us something in the near future.

And maybe, just maybe it's making sure you don't have a guy capable of taking the team to the promised land. Not gonna happen but it's not impossible.
 
Let me start by saying I agree Savage has done nothing to lose the starting job, he will start week 1.

BUT

After watching his first two drives again, two things are extremely apparent. He locks onto guys too much and he is very slow to react. The OL did a pretty good job protecting him, but he would lock onto a WR for 2-3 seconds and when the pocket started to collapse he would bail. Lucky for him the WRs would continue to fight to get open and he would be accurate throws. BUT when the season starts and teams start bringing pressure, I expect way more sacks and I think he will start throwing INTs because he will force balls. JMO

Miller should not be out starter. If OB keeps him in as the 1 then he really isn't allowing the best roster to play. Blue and Foreman have outperformed him with their touches to this point. They should get the bulk of the carries next week. Miller is a great third down back and outside runner. The guy has 0 feel for the inside game.

Ellington not only showed good hands, but his route running was incredible.

Both starting T's did a decent job. They were left on islands for much of the night and handled it well. I honestly think the more snaps they get, the less we will miss Brown.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Just hope McNair and RS make the right choice when it's their turn....Bree's won a SB with NO while the Chargers and Rivers put up stats but haven't brought a Lombardi Trophy to SD.
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No reason why they cant keep both in the near future with Savage being in his last year they can tag him and he goes nowhere and Watson is on his rookie deal not making more than the average veteran backup. Decision time in that ideal scenario where Savage keeps Watson on the bench comes at the end of Watson's contract - that's a few minutes away ....
 
amazing80 said:
Let me start by saying I agree Savage has done nothing to lose the starting job, he will start week 1.

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In your opinion has Watson done anything to WIN the job ?!

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Ellington not only showed good hands, but his route running was incredible.
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Yeah he's looked really good , especially when you consider he walked in off the street and straight into a game with maybe 1-2 practices ?


Wondering why SF let him get away .... I guess all their WR's have looked bad considering their poor QB play.

Hope he keeps it up.
 
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Corrosion said:
In your opinion has Watson done anything to WIN the job ?!




Yeah he's looked really good , especially when you consider he walked in off the street and straight into a game with maybe 1-2 practices ?


Wondering why SF let him get away .... I guess all their WR's have looked bad considering their poor QB play.

Hope he keeps it up.
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I just posted my breakdown of Watson's play in the Watson thread. Let me know what you think
 
Texansballer74 said:
Because he won't be here next year possibly. If he bounces then we're back to square peg 1. Therefore, let the rookie learn in the field of battle. That iron might pay dividends in year 2 verses year 3.
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But what is left unsaid, you are tanking the season and possibly any chance at the playoffs, conceding the conference to Tennessee. Some of us, myself included, believe the team is a SB contender with Savage at QB. Next year is next year.
 
amazing80 said:
While I HOPE Savage can lead us there, if the organization actually thought that way, no chance we mortgage our future for Waston this off-season. If we win the Superb Owl because of Savage, even our organization will say we didn't see that coming.
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It's called covering your bets. Savage's ability to stay healthy was an unknown; and his contract was up after the season, and also Weeden's contract. The organization had no QB under contract for 2018 and we had to draft one. RS had been wanting Watson for two years. He did what had to be done to get his QB. Having failed with our other starting QB's, the organization was finally on board with selecting one in the first round. But you are correct. To the organization, at the time of the draft, Savage was an unproven unknown whose contract would soon be up. But this is not to say that the organization had given up on Savage, for this year. Expectations were/are that we are a playoff caliber team.
 
Number19 said:
It's called covering your bets. Savage's ability to stay healthy was an unknown; and his contract was up after the season, and also Weeden's contract. The organization had no QB under contract for 2018 and we had to draft one. RS had been wanting Watson for two years. He did what had to be done to get his QB. Having failed with our other starting QB's, the organization was finally on board with selecting one in the first round. But you are correct. To the organization, at the time of the draft, Savage was an unproven unknown whose contract would soon be up. But this is not to say that the organization had given up on Savage, for this year. Expectations were/are that we are a playoff caliber team.
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No. Covering your bets is what we did when we drafted Savage in the 4th round. Not trading up for a QB in round 1. That is called drafting a guy you expect to be your franchise QB who will take you to the promise land.

Literally no one (except maybe you) thought Savage was the future of this team. If he ends up being that, then great! But don't sit here and act like everyone thought he was when clearly no one did.
 
All Savage has done is complete 85% of his passes for 8.5 YPA, thrown for a TD, no INTs and a 121.35 passer rating. Yes it's preseason, but those are excellent stats.
I seriously doubt that anything short of a Super Bowl winning blowout will convince some of y'all that Savage has the talent to be the starting QB for the Texans. Some are all googley-eyed by college careers (the NFL graveyard is littered with excellent college QB busts) and some are all caught up in draft position.
Every single thing we have all seen shows that Savage is up to the task. Yes, he has some things to work on (holding onto the ball, staring down receivers a bit), every QB not named Tom Brady has something to work on.
 
DocBar said:
All Savage has done is complete 85% of his passes for 8.5 YPA, thrown for a TD, no INTs and a 121.35 passer rating. Yes it's preseason, but those are excellent stats.
I seriously doubt that anything short of a Super Bowl winning blowout will convince some of y'all that Savage has the talent to be the starting QB for the Texans. Some are all googley-eyed by college careers (the NFL graveyard is littered with excellent college QB busts) and some are all caught up in draft position.
Every single thing we have all seen shows that Savage is up to the task. Yes, he has some things to work on (holding onto the ball, staring down receivers a bit), every QB not named Tom Brady has something to work on.
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Pretty sure everyone is on board with Savage starting week 1 and agree with the bolded. Can he continue to improve and play well? Not sure, and rightfully so at this point.
 
amazing80 said:
...Literally no one (except maybe you) thought Savage was the future of this team. If he ends up being that, then great! But don't sit here and act like everyone thought he was when clearly no one did.
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Not quite sure about the direction of your point. My comments were directed at the QB situation for 2017, not the "future".

I was, if not the first, then certainly one of the firsts, to start making the point that Savage's contract would be up in 2017 and we had no backup QB under contract for 2018. This was, maybe, a year ago.

Are we in a "win now" year; or do we put a higher priority on prepping Watson for the future? My position is that we win now.
 
At this point in time, comparing Savage and Watson: Savage beats teams with his arm and Watson beats teams with his feet. I would rather have a QB who beats the opposition with his arm, because that is the QB who is much more reliable and consistently dangerous. Of course, the most desirable is a QB who can beat you with his arm, but can beat you with his feet when you shutdown the pass. Watson has the potential to become that kind of QB, but has a lot to work on before he is there (that is not to imply he cannot get there). He needs to learn the offense, work on improving is accuracy/ball placement, and not default to becoming a rusher so easily. I believe all these issue can be fixed/improved upon.

Right now, I am very much in the start Savage this season camp. I believe he gives the Texans the best chance to win now and I want to know what we have in him before the team moves on (who knows, he could even turn out to be the long term answer for this team). Watson brings another exciting dimension to the QB position for sure, but you don't have to be a running threat to be a HOF QB - Tom Brady is a perfect example of that. I am not saying Savage is Brady (hold the flames, please). We really don't know who Savage is and wont know until he has more playing time in real games.

I believe that in Savage and Watson we have two good options at QB, which his quite a change from years past, and I am a fan of both of them.
 
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