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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

thunderkyss said:
I don't think he waz trying to insult you. Just reaffirming his position, which I think he's wrong.

I do wonder why Herm Edwards' opinion finally got you to coming around & seeing the light though. This was predicted the day we drafted Watson. It's a snowball. The Texans will drop praise here & there. Media will start doing the same. Eventually the Texans will be less & less cryptic until they eventually announce Watson will be our starter.

Tomorrow night watch how Watson gets his team in &out of the huddle. Watch his drops. If he's getting the ball out on time, on the third step of a three step drop, the fifth step of a five step drop, or the seventh step of a seven step drop, he'll definitely be starting with the first team week 2.

Even if he doesn't get the ball out on time, watch how decisive he is on progressing to the next phase. Is he waiting for his first read to work open? Is he scanning the entire field? Did he check it down to his safety outlet. Does he feel the pressure but hang in? Does he cut & run? Does he get rid of the ball? If he makes good decisions in those situations I'd still expect the accolades to continue & the snowball to continue gaining mass & momentum.

& cutting & running isn't always a bad decision. Sometimes it's the best decision , sometimes the worse.
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Wait what do you mean I finally came around. This has been my stance since we drafted Watson.

And he did insult my intelligence twice. You might not have viewed it like such. But Doc basically telling me I can't think for my darn self.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Because I quoted a children's book? Far from insulting you. On the other hand, I'm not going to stand by and let anyone take away my ability to put forth my independent opinions/assessments by trying to entirely devalue them.
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I never devalued your damn opinion. I posted a vid and that's it. You made your comment and I responded with we listen to Pat but don't value a person who has actually played the damn game and Coached on an NFL level. Pat's comments are not the Gospel either. And I don't need anybody telling me how to decipher any freaking thing or to think for myself.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Charlie Weis thoughts on Watson and if he should be the starter.

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So Charlie says that your veterans' opinion will decide who should be the starting QB right?.. I mean he never came out and said Watson should be the opening day starter (even though the troll of all trolls Skip tried to bait him into it) did he?. Now who did our best vet offensive player vouch for again? (Again, by Charlie's assessment your vets know..who did they pick?).. and that's why Savage is going to be the week 1 starter.

Nobody is if Watson will or will not start for this team eventually..obviously he is at some point, it's the timetable that everyone is arguing over.

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I wish I could be on that set though, but I would charged with assualt and Skip would be diagnosed with CTE, because I would thump him in the forehead every single damn time he interjected the freaking Cowboys who haven't won crap into a conversation or his history.. guy went cookoo over Jay Cutler, then Vince Young, then Johnny Manziel.. and he somehow brings everything back to the freaking Cowboys. It's laughable

I pray Watson is the answer and that's why that piece of crap needs to stay away from him, his track record sucks, especially at QB. We don't even have close to the offensive line that his wet dream Dak has and he never even mentioned Dak until Dak was Dak. I like Watson and I don't want to set him up for failure..I've already seen that movie.
 
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thunderkyss said:
I don't think he waz trying to insult you. Just reaffirming his position, which I think he's wrong.

I do wonder why Herm Edwards' opinion finally got you to coming around & seeing the light though. This was predicted the day we drafted Watson. It's a snowball. The Texans will drop praise here & there. Media will start doing the same. Eventually the Texans will be less & less cryptic until they eventually announce Watson will be our starter.

Tomorrow night watch how Watson gets his team in &out of the huddle. Watch his drops. If he's getting the ball out on time, on the third step of a three step drop, the fifth step of a five step drop, or the seventh step of a seven step drop, he'll definitely be starting with the first team week 2.

Even if he doesn't get the ball out on time, watch how decisive he is on progressing to the next phase. Is he waiting for his first read to work open? Is he scanning the entire field? Did he check it down to his safety outlet. Does he feel the pressure but hang in? Does he cut & run? Does he get rid of the ball? If he makes good decisions in those situations I'd still expect the accolades to continue & the snowball to continue gaining mass & momentum.

& cutting & running isn't always a bad decision. Sometimes it's the best decision , sometimes the worse.
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Wait... for clarification are you saying he wins the starting job or just that he'll be starting preseason week 2? Because it wouldn't be a huge leap for the latter to happen or mean anything. I don't think it'll happen in any case but you can make your own bold predection
 
badboy said:
uh..please, please don't
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Can't play scared. Besides, in preseason game one, the #2 QB will be going up against the Jags' #2 defense. Are you really scared of that unit??

thunderkyss said:
Don't make sense O'Brien couldn't get that guy here.
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I agree. Weis screwed the pooch as a head coach but he was a damn good OC. I said way back we should have gone to Weis to replace Godsey as OC. The dude basically installed the offensive scheme that made Brady who he is. Why not give him a shot to do that here??
 
Carr Bombed said:
And what are the doing now?.. Weis couldn't even cut it at the NCAA level

You watch WAY WAY too much ESPN.

also I'm worried about Wies' health.. Holy crap.
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Weis will never go back to coaching. He underwent a major weight loss bypass surgery ~ 10 years ago. It was riddled with complications and was a miserable failure. He was close to having last rites. It left him with significant life-long progressive gastro-intestinal issues, and a non-candidate for any further weight loss surgery. Not unexpectedly, his progressive weight gain has also left him with the need for knee replacements and progressve heart problems (to begin with, he has a very strong family history of major cardiac problems). Every time you see him, he seems to have gained more weight. He can hardly get around today, and with any exertion has difficult breathing. As he is financially set, he has found himself in the very best position today.........sitting behind a desk..........unlikey to ever see a sideline again.
 
Carr Bombed said:
So Charlie says that your veterans' opinion will decide who should be the starting QB right?.. I mean he never came out and said Watson should be the opening day starter (even though the troll of all trolls Skip tried to bait him into it) did he?. Now who did our best vet offensive player vouch for again? (Again, by Charlie's assessment your vets know..who did they pick?).. and that's why Savage is going to be the week 1 starter.

Nobody is if Watson will or will not start for this team eventually..obviously he is at some point, it's the timetable that everyone is arguing over.

P.S.

I wish I could be on that set though, but I would charged with assualt and Skip would be diagnosed with CTE, because I would thump him in the forehead every single damn time he interjected the freaking Cowboys who haven't won crap into a conversation or his history.. guy went cookoo over Jay Cutler, then Vince Young, then Johnny Manziel.. and he somehow brings everything back to the freaking Cowboys. It's laughable

I pray Watson is the answer and that's why that piece of crap needs to stay away from him, his track record sucks, especially at QB. We don't even have close to the offensive line that his wet dream Dak has and he never even mentioned Dak until Dak was Dak. I like Watson and I don't want to set him up for failure..I've already seen that movie.
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He said if it was him and if Watson and Savage were close, he would start Watson. Its only opinions but I see a few are blowing their tops.

Im just posting some outside views and thats it. Just like some people post Pat Starr's views.


Skip Bayless, Steven A Smith abnd a few others gets on my darn nerves.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Watson should be the opening day starter (even though the troll of all trolls Skip tried to bait him into it) did he?. Now who did our best vet offensive player vouch for again? (Again, by Charlie's assessment your vets know..who did they pick?).. and that's why Savage is going to be the week 1 starter.

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Hopkins is a Texans, just like O'Brien & McNair. He's not going to say anything contrary to the company line. His statement concerning Savage is just a demonstration of the leadership role he is taking.

Herm, afaik, just said he believes O'Briens comments are planting an idea he wants his team to start getting comfortable with. I don't know that he is saying Watson should start based on his progress, or that he is ready. He has stated his opinion that teams don't trade up to the 12th spot for a guy they believe not capable of starting sooner rather than later.

Same thing for Weiss. He didn't commit to anything suggesting he had intimate knowledge of the situation. He feels Watson was the best QB in this draft, believes Watson is ready for the NFL, & doesn't believe Savage has a history that firmly establishes him as the Texans starter.
 
JB said:
So did Bill Peterson, Chuck Studley and Hugh Campbell...

that don't mean they know squat about the Texans and neither does Edwards
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I never ever said they knew squat about the Texans. I said they knew more about FOOTBALL. So again JB stay in your lane.
 
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JB said:
Wait... for clarification are you saying he wins the starting job or just that he'll be starting preseason week 2? Because it wouldn't be a huge leap for the latter to happen or mean anything. I don't think it'll happen in any case but you can make your own bold predection
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After thinking about it, O'Brien most likely plays it slower than I suggested. Instead of starting week 2 of the preseason maybe he'll just make sure Watson takes some snaps with the ones.

They'll leave him as #2 on the depth chart, allowing him to take most of the snaps.

But my bold prediction is the same as it's been since draft day. The Texans have already decided Watson will be the starter. They're trying to prepare him to start week 1. I think they believe he's on track.
 
thunderkyss said:
But my bold prediction is the same as it's been since draft day. The Texans have already decided Watson will be the starter. They're trying to prepare him to start week 1. I think they believe he's on track.
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Bold indeed.

It'll be your wishful thinking vs. O'Brien's baser instincts. :) :popcorn:
 
Savage has had the better camp and judging by the majority of pro-Watson reporting he's had plenty of ups and downs in practices....and that's with the 2's and 3's. If RS and the Texans pull the string and start Watson anyways, what will they do if his first 5 games go south as he's learning his way? How does the team respond if Savage is forced to stay on the sideline while Watson struggles through his learning curve?

If this happens, my bold prediction; O'Brien takes the fall and he's fired. NYJ swoop in and hire him. O'Brien signs Savage as a FA since the jury is still out on what he can cannot do and the Jets have no immediate answers at the QB position nor anyone else available who knows this offense. The NYJ FO puts their focus on signing Hopkins who also becomes a FA since RS dragged his feet and refuses to pony up the money that it will require to "Tag" him. Jets win the bidding war for his services.

Dang...that would really-really suck!!! I'm wondering if the players on this team are pro-RS or pro-O'Brien, could be interesting if things don't progress the way RS may have envisioned.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Savage has had the better camp and judging by the majority of pro-Watson reporting he's had plenty of ups and downs in practices....and that's with the 2's and 3's. If RS and the Texans pull the string and start Watson anyways, what will they do if his first 5 games go south as he's learning his way? How does the team respond if Savage is forced to stay on the sideline while Watson struggles through his learning curve?

If this happens, my bold prediction; O'Brien takes the fall and he's fired. NYJ swoop in and hire him. O'Brien signs Savage as a FA since the jury is still out on what he can cannot do and the Jets have no immediate answers at the QB position nor anyone else available who knows this offense. The NYJ FO puts their focus on signing Hopkins who also becomes a FA since RS dragged his feet and refuses to pony up the money that it will require to "Tag" him. Jets win the bidding war for his services.

Dang...that would really-really suck!!! I'm wondering if the players on this team are pro-RS or pro-O'Brien, could be interesting if things don't progress the way RS may have envisioned.
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If Watson does start from game 1, and it's clear he has no business starting... then BOB deserves to be fired.
 
Watson is not getting many reps with the starters. No way he starts week 1, unless Savage really stinks it up this week. IMO this game vs Carolina will have a huge impact on how the rest of the reps in TC will go.
 
amazing80 said:
Watson is not getting many reps with the starters. No way he starts week 1, unless Savage really stinks it up this week. IMO this game vs Carolina will have a huge impact on how the rest of the reps in TC will go.
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Tom Savage is more likely to get hurt than stink it up. If you want him to start Week 1 then he better not play a lot in the preseason. His play isn't necessarily bad but there's no "wow factor" there and I don't see him inspiring a lot of touchdown drives for us. It will just be more of the same red-zone struggles and a lot of field goals. He hasn't thrown a career Touchdown pass in the NFL (preseason doesn't count) and he's entering his fourth NFL season. Think about that for a second. That just goes to show how unhealthy he usually is. People always say the best ability is availability.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Tom Savage is more likely to get hurt than stink it up. If you want him to start Week 1 then he better not play a lot in the preseason. His play isn't necessarily bad but there's no "wow factor" there and I don't see him inspiring a lot of touchdown drives for us. It will just be more of the same red-zone struggles and a lot of field goals. He hasn't thrown a career Touchdown pass in the NFL (preseason doesn't count) and he's entering his fourth NFL season. Think about that for a second. That just goes to show how unhealthy he usually is. People always say the best ability is availability.
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Agreed about availability vs ability.

The Texans are going to have red-zone troubles until they fix the OL.

Which wont be in the 2018 draft since they traded away their high end picks drafting/getting rid of their QB boo-boos
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed about availability vs ability.

The Texans are going to have red-zone troubles until they fix the OL.

Which wont be in the 2018 draft since they traded away their high end picks drafting/getting rid of their QB boo-boos
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I disagree, someone like Watson with his quick release and quick ability to make decisions will help our failing red zone offense. And if all else fails, his added bonus of running in will help.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Tom Savage is more likely to get hurt than stink it up. If you want him to start Week 1 then he better not play a lot in the preseason. His play isn't necessarily bad but there's no "wow factor" there and I don't see him inspiring a lot of touchdown drives for us. It will just be more of the same red-zone struggles and a lot of field goals. He hasn't thrown a career Touchdown pass in the NFL (preseason doesn't count) and he's entering his fourth NFL season. Think about that for a second. That just goes to show how unhealthy he usually is. People always say the best ability is availability.
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I agree about his health, but he needs to play because he is far from a sure fire thing at QB. Unless he proves he is vastly better than Watson, then Watson should get the nod to start. You don't trade away the house for a guy who needs time to develop. And if you do, like KC, you better have a sure fire starter on your team. The reality is Savage is far from that. He has to earn the job equally as much as Watson needs to.
 
thunderkyss said:
... The Texans have already decided Watson will be the starter. They're trying to prepare him to start week 1. I think they believe he's on track.
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Spoken like a politician. Yes, Watson will be the week 1 starter. But you give yourself all kinds of wigggle room by not saying which year.
 
amazing80 said:
I disagree, someone like Watson with his quick release and quick ability to make decisions will help our failing red zone offense. And if all else fails, his added bonus of running in will help.
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You hope,

Just like I do,

But no offense can be successful with a bad OL.
 
amazing80 said:
I agree about his health, but he needs to play because he is far from a sure fire thing at QB. Unless he proves he is vastly better than Watson, then Watson should get the nod to start. You don't trade away the house for a guy who needs time to develop. And if you do, like KC, you better have a sure fire starter on your team. The reality is Savage is far from that. He has to earn the job equally as much as Watson needs to.
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Agreed about trading the house meaning Watson has to play and probably play early, whether he's any good or not. How do you know what is reality when it comes to Savage? Nobody knows how good Savage will be.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Savage has had the better camp and judging by the majority of pro-Watson reporting he's had plenty of ups and downs in practices....and that's with the 2's and 3's. If RS and the Texans pull the string and start Watson anyways, what will they do if his first 5 games go south as he's learning his way? How does the team respond if Savage is forced to stay on the sideline while Watson struggles through his learning curve?

If this happens, my bold prediction; O'Brien takes the fall and he's fired. NYJ swoop in and hire him. O'Brien signs Savage as a FA since the jury is still out on what he can cannot do and the Jets have no immediate answers at the QB position nor anyone else available who knows this offense. The NYJ FO puts their focus on signing Hopkins who also becomes a FA since RS dragged his feet and refuses to pony up the money that it will require to "Tag" him. Jets win the bidding war for his services.

Dang...that would really-really suck!!! I'm wondering if the players on this team are pro-RS or pro-O'Brien, could be interesting if things don't progress the way RS may have envisioned.
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So pretty much the plot from Any Given Sunday?
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed about trading the house meaning Watson has to play and probably play early, whether he's any good or not. How do you know what is reality when it comes to Savage? Nobody knows how good Savage will be.
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The coaching staff clearly doesn't think Savage is the guy otherwise we would have drafted completely different and wouldn't have traded away our future for Watson.
 
amazing80 said:
Does our OL need to improve? Yes, but they are far from garbage like some on here portray them to be.
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There is always hope. :)
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