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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Mollywhopper said:
You're right, I don't know that. But what I do know is it is our front office's very job to make phone calls that find those things out. If we were interested, and if we didn't make that call to Seattle, then someone dropped the ball about as hard as it can be dropped.

And yes, it is over and done. Teddy can clearly go on to have a Pro Bowl career elsewhere. But in terms of discussing whether or not people are doing their jobs there is at least conversational relevance.
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Well you are talking about Rick Smith here.
 
Wolf said:
Yep.i am thinking the same thing
4th round pick down the drain
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Even worse was that Sam Montgomery selection in the third round a few years ago. I'm too afraid to dig deep and see how many second, third and fourth-round misses that Rick Smith has had over the years. But yet he values draft picks and was reluctant to give a seventh-round pick to John Elway for Clark.

I'm not saying Tom Savage is a bad pick yet (time will tell) but for 2015 he's not going to have any impact on the team and as a third-stringer, even if healthy, was not likely going to play a big role anyways. I felt like he got his opportunity to shine in the regular season in that Indianapolis game last year and he quickly got hurt in that game. I'm worried Tom Savage is injury prone.
 
I am just getting nervous about his system.

If it is so damn complicated that all we can do is pick up ex patriot qbs and when we draft someone,it will take a year or three to learn the system
Uggh.. i will keep it short. I just hope by the time we find a top 10 QB before Watt and company aren't retiring
 
The Texans have had nothing but forgettable QBs since they began, and they still do today. I'm pinning my hopes on a bad ass defense keeping us in the games. Besides, who are they going to get at this point other than everyone's hand offs.
 
The savage news doesn't move the needle for me. it sucks. I just didn't expect him to make a difference for us this year.
 
I feel really bad for Savage. He was having a decent off season, including becoming a newly married man, then this which puts a serious dent in his career. It could even be fatal to his pro football career.
 
Vance87 said:
All you heard from day one was how much improved our QB group was over 2014
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Yes, I have heard that. Haven't seen it, but I have heard it.

At best, Hoyer can currently be described as a less experienced Fitzpatrick. O'Brien is giving him more experience. We'll see if that is a good thing.
 
Lucky said:
Yes, I have heard that. Haven't seen it, but I have heard it.
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That's because it has only taken place in super secret practices. The NFL as a whole would shutter if it knew what was coming. Hoyer the Destroyer has come!
 
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infantrycak said:
Not from anyone outside the Houston fan base. Every QB ranking posted has Fitz over Hoyer.
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And I saw one recently that placed RGIII ahead of Andy Dalton. So what? Games start this week and I lay even odds that our QB plays better than our competition's QB this week, and I would do the same in week two and three.
 
dalemurphy said:
And I saw one recently that placed RGIII ahead of Andy Dalton.
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Sure you did.

So what?
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So help out Vance - maybe your feigned indifference will help him avoid absolutes.

Games start this week and I lay even odds that our QB plays better than our competition's QB this week, and I would do the same in week two and three.
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Did Fitz get traded to one of them?

Quite the bold prediction on the Bucs.
 
Lucky said:
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Nice analogy there, Bluto.
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Yes. They sub-contracted the Japanese. That should help Marshall continue with his "enthralling" contract arguments from a different thread. :spit: :sarcasm:
 
Vance87 said:
The same reason I'm mystified when someone tells me they like "I can't believe its not butter" over the real thing.
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Cute line. I don't remember a time when "I can't believe it's not butter" has outperformed butter in anything. Kind of like Hoyer.

See Fitzy is the butter in this little analogy. He has 87 career starts. A number I doubt Hoyer achieves but doubt aside hasn't achieved. Hoyer is the new cheap (undrafted) scientific (it's the system baby) that is challenging the veteran, albeit, low quality butter/Fitzy.

I'd love to be in a time of discussing our QB, not our QB substitute.
 
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Vance87 said:
Hoyer is butter. Way more butter than Fitz.
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You can keep saying it. Hoyer is the challenger by definition - he has to outperform an established standard. Fitz we had. Hoyer is the newcomer supposed improvement. You failed 180 degrees in your analogy.

Root for margarine all you want.
 
infantrycak said:
You can keep saying it. Hoyer is the challenger by definition - he has to outperform an established standard. Fitz we had. Hoyer is the newcomer supposed improvement. You failed 180 degrees in your analogy.

Root for margarine all you want.
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Why are you acting like me thinking Hoyer is better than Fitz is somehow arbitrary and capricious? I'm not drinking from Russel's teapot over here.

And margarine sucks, I thought I made that fairly clear
 
Vance87 said:
Why are you acting like me thinking Hoyer is better than Fitz is somehow arbitrary and capricious? I'm not drinking from Russel's teapot over here.

And margarine sucks, I thought I made that fairly clear
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All I said is your analogy is backwards. Until proven otherwise Fitz is better than Hoyer. Hopefully that changes. But on the track record so far, that's the status.
 
infantrycak said:
All I said is your analogy is backwards. Until proven otherwise Fitz is better than Hoyer. Hopefully that changes. But on the track record so far, that's the status.
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For the record, I think Mallet is better than Fitz too. It's not all about numbers.
 
infantrycak said:
You can keep saying it. Hoyer is the challenger by definition - he has to outperform an established standard. Fitz we had. Hoyer is the newcomer supposed improvement. You failed 180 degrees in your analogy.

Root for margarine all you want.
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Schaub's the butter. Fitz & Hoyer are substitutes. Margerine & whatever Country Crock is.
 
PapaL said:
Even with that, I'd still draft a QB in the first 2 rounds.
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Yeah. You need a vet and two young guys in a battle for the starting role.

There's only one catch: unless the vet is a future HOF player (you know the names), that vet has to know coming in that he's the mentor. That we're rolling one with one of the young studs.

In other words, the stop-gap sh!t has to end, even if it comes at the risk of a 6 win season; the Texans have to commit, which they should have already done, with Fitz as the vet. These days it'll have to be Weeden or Hoyer. Hopefully Savage or the new kid is just too good to trot out the vet, anyway.
 
I like Hogan from Stanford. We as fans better get used to the fact that the 3 QBs we got now are gonna stay put because B'OB aint giving up on his pick in Savage.
 
I think Savage has a chance to develop into a better QB than any that have been on the roster the past two seasons. I think his ceiling is around Alex Smith level. Having said that, drafting a QB very high is a priority.
 
PapaL said:
Even with that, I'd still draft a QB in the first 2 rounds.
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Why in the world would you invest a late pick, in either of the 1st two rounds, on an admitted project? That's just asinine. I need to do some research, but I feel somewhat confident that late 1st and second round QB's have close to the same record/stats as later round QB's. The whole idea being that high 1st round talent gets more leeway than later picks. You guys buying into this philosophy crack me up. These kinds of decisions set franchises back years and decades, until the crapshoot comes through for them.

I also would truly like to know how anyone, especially some fan on a fan forum, can posit, with a presumably straight face, that Tom Savage has a ceiling or floor of anything! PLEASE give some indication of how you came to this conclusion. Savage has every opportunity to either become the next Brady or the next JaMarcus Russell. There isn't even a cousin to enough data to even remotely judge Savage. People get too caught up in draft position. Mario Williams is a servicable DE, but his #1 overall status drives his salary to stupid proportions.
 
DocBar said:
Why in the world would you invest a late pick, in either of the 1st two rounds, on an admitted project? That's just asinine. I need to do some research, but I feel somewhat confident that late 1st and second round QB's have close to the same record/stats as later round QB's. The whole idea being that high 1st round talent gets more leeway than later picks. You guys buying into this philosophy crack me up. These kinds of decisions set franchises back years and decades, until the crapshoot comes through for them.

I also would truly like to know how anyone, especially some fan on a fan forum, can posit, with a presumably straight face, that Tom Savage has a ceiling or floor of anything! PLEASE give some indication of how you came to this conclusion. Savage has every opportunity to either become the next Brady or the next JaMarcus Russell. There isn't even a cousin to enough data to even remotely judge Savage. People get too caught up in draft position. Mario Williams is a servicable DE, but his #1 overall status drives his salary to stupid proportions.
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We can only judge from what we've seen so far, but you let us know when you think he's given us enough data to assess and we will reconvene on the matter... :/
 
michaelm said:
We can only judge from what we've seen so far, but you let us know when you think he's given us enough data to assess and we will reconvene on the matter... :/
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I'll be happy to. Please provide us with what you've gleaned from Savage's playing time. This isn't a one way street.
 
Uncle Rico said:
I havent seen anything in Savage to give me this hope for the future.
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Because Savage has all the intangibles you want in a QB, he has good size, strong arm, intelligent, athletic enough to make plays with his feet. He played well at Pitt behind the nations worst O line, and sub par weapons. He looked like the best QB on our roster this preseason unfortunately our coaching staff was never going to give him a real chance. Any QB we will be able to draft will be a project some what, and with OB's self admitted complicated offense might not be able to contribute or make us serious contenders for a couple of years. Savage has already been here learning the pro game and our system for 2 years now, plus has the right tools. Not saying he is our savior, i still want to see a QB in the first 3 rounds, but he should be given every opportunity to earn that starting job unlike last offseason. I see Savage starting for us in the 2016 season
 
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