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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Texecutioner said:
That isn't true, so your statement here isn't relevant. Keenum was never thought to start here.
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Shouldn't EVERY player prepare like they're starter? Isn't every player a snap away from being the starter? Oh and didn't he actually start games? Why would it be any different for Savage?
 
Texecutioner said:
With that statement, I'll never respect your idea of how a consistent winning football team should be in the "current NFL."
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That statement should have been read in context to what we've had the last three years. I'd love to have an average QB compared to these guys we've had "stinking up the joint."

Texecutioner said:
It got us nowhere last season...
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Yeah, I don't think Fitzpatrick was average last season. May have been the best year of his career statistically, but situationally... we didn't "let" him play like a starting QB should. We protected him the way you'd protect a rookie.


Texecutioner said:
This statement changes what you said above somewhat. Did you originally mean that average for just this season?
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Kinda, not really. I just meant compared to what we had previously. For this coming season & seasons in the future, I want a bonafide franchise QB. I doubt we're going to get that with what we have on the roster, so I'll settle for average & hope we keep looking.
 
Playoffs said:
Aaron Wilson @AaronWilson_NFL
Tom Savage will be the Texans quarterback Thursday night per coach Bill O'Brien says 'I want him to get into a rhythm'​


:ant: :cow::cowboy1::marionaner::throwball:
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Should be fun. No real angle on this game with the starters so maybe the backups can beat up on the Cowboys backups and make it worth watching.

Honestly, by the time we get to the fourth preseason game I'm about burned out on meaningless football. Most years I don't even watch it after the first series or so.
 
it is not meaningless to me as I want to see the nonstarters in reps in game like scenario. That is approximately half of the final roster and also to see why those that get the final cut did not make it.
 
DocBar said:
I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully, Dallas will at least play its 2's for a half. I want to see Savage against something other than scrubs.
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Usually, it's only the scrubs that play the 4th preseason game.
 
Tom Savage Set To Start Against the Cowboys
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Patrick Starr
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Head Coach Bill O'Brien has named Tom Savage as the starter for the 4th preseason game against the Dallas Cowboys.

With the final preseason game this Thursday against the Dallas Cowboys, Head Coach Bill O’Brien announced that the Houston Texans will be starting Tom Savage.

“It’ll be Savage,” said O’Brien regarding the starter of the final preseason game.

Savage has had a nice run this training camp and preseason, in which hope has transpired for the second year quarterback. In three appearances this preseason, Savage has completed 62.2% of his passes for 323 yards with 2 touchdowns and no interceptions.

“I think offensively I want us to get into a rhythm. I want Tom (Savage) to have a good game. I want him to get into a rhythm, get us into the right play, throw the ball accurately,” said O’Brien on what he wants to see from his young quarterback.

But O’Brien also wants to see the offense help Savage out in the process “I need the line to block well, obviously, for him in the passing game and the receivers to get open, but also in the running game. I want us to get into a rhythm offensively, play very hard, which I know we will.”

Seeing Savage in a full game will be good to see, no matter who is on the field facing him. This could be the last time the team gets to watch Savage get work in a game situation until next season if all goes right during the upcoming regular season.

It will be one more final test for Savage and seeing if he operates the offense the way O’Brien envisions it being run. Either way, it is the final dress rehearsal for Savage unless something goes awry during the regular season.
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". . . unless something goes awry during the regular season."

:lol: like when has that not ever happened?

I'm now very much looking forward to this game. I believe Savage is the best QB of all three, and I'm looking forward to watching him validate it. Yeah, none of the first teamers will be playing, but 9 receivers are still on the team, and everyone else out there will be playing for their lives.
 
PapaL said:
Shouldn't EVERY player prepare like they're starter? Isn't every player a snap away from being the starter? Oh and didn't he actually start games? Why would it be any different for Savage?
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He started games, because Mcnair had been pressuring Kubiak to put him in there as the fan base from the Texans had turned on Schaub horribly. People were even showing up at Schaub's home, and cheering when he'd get hurt. Then Schaub did get hurt for a while, and Case got his start that way. Of course every player should play like they may have to start. That goes without saying. I'm not sure why you are asking me that.

Let me ask you this. Would you be happy getting a guy like Andy Dalton quality for example?

I would not. I want better, because I think those are some of the worst QB's to have. They're good enough to help your team win a few games and have a pretty good record with a solid team, but they aren't capable of pushing further pass that hump. You always think they're about to be there, but they show time and time again why they aren't. Those are the types of QB's that teams spend several good years on sometimes just because the guy isn't trash and he is slightly above average. I want a guy that I know will be a top 10 type of guy that you know gives your team a chance to win a SB every year. It doesn't have to be an elite guy, but I want a guy that is at least in that 2nd tier of QB's like Big Ben, Flacco, Romo, Wilson, And Rivers.
 
Texecutioner said:
It doesn't have to be an elite guy, but I want a guy that is at least in that 2nd tier of QB's like Big Ben, Flacco, Romo, Wilson, And Rivers.
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Well, who doesn't want a QB like those? But if they were all that easy to get, then every team would have them.
 
Texecutioner said:
Let me ask you this. Would you be happy getting a guy like Andy Dalton quality for example?
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For his career Dalton is a 62% accuracy/3700 yards/7.00 YPA/25:16 TD:INT/85% QBR kind of guy. Started every game since drafted. 4 straight winning seasons. 4 straight playoffs.

There hasn't been a QB on the roster the last two years that was "Andy Dalton quality". He isn't Big Ben or Flacco, but every QB on the roster this season for the Texans is looking up at him.

 
Texecutioner said:
He started games, because Mcnair had been pressuring Kubiak to put him in there as the fan base from the Texans had turned on Schaub horribly. People were even showing up at Schaub's home, and cheering when he'd get hurt. Then Schaub did get hurt for a while, and Case got his start that way. Of course every player should play like they may have to start. That goes without saying. I'm not sure why you are asking me that.

Let me ask you this. Would you be happy getting a guy like Andy Dalton quality for example?

I would not. I want better, because I think those are some of the worst QB's to have. They're good enough to help your team win a few games and have a pretty good record with a solid team, but they aren't capable of pushing further pass that hump. You always think they're about to be there, but they show time and time again why they aren't. Those are the types of QB's that teams spend several good years on sometimes just because the guy isn't trash and he is slightly above average. I want a guy that I know will be a top 10 type of guy that you know gives your team a chance to win a SB every year. It doesn't have to be an elite guy, but I want a guy that is at least in that 2nd tier of QB's like Big Ben, Flacco, Romo, Wilson, And Rivers.
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Many of those are products of a good situation.

It's a chicken and egg thing. Do the QBs make the rest of the team better or does the rest of the team make the QB better?

I suspect it's a little of both most of the time. But we label the QB as the responsible party in all situations. I think this is a mistake.

I am a little jaded because one of the best QBs of my era was Archie Manning who never had a chance for inclusion in the discussion of all time greats because he was saddled with perennially under performing team mates.
 
Marcus said:
". . . unless something goes awry during the regular season."

:lol: like when has that not ever happened?

I'm now very much looking forward to this game. I believe Savage is the best QB of all three, and I'm looking forward to watching him validate it. Yeah, none of the first teamers will be playing, but 9 receivers are still on the team, and everyone else out there will be playing for their lives.
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I agree that Savage is quite possibly the best QB on the team. He can only play with, and against, who the coaches put him with and he has pretty much shined all preseason. I sincerely hope that OB isn't so tied to Hoyer/Mallett that he looks past Savage as the long-term solution to the Texans QB position. I'm not saying he is as much as I'm saying he very well could be.
 
sandman said:

For his career Dalton is a 62% accuracy/3700 yards/7.00 YPA/25:16 TD:INT/85% QBR kind of guy. Started every game since drafted. 4 straight winning seasons. 4 straight playoffs.

There hasn't been a QB on the roster the last two years that was "Andy Dalton quality". He isn't Big Ben or Flacco, but every QB on the roster this season for the Texans is looking up at him.
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And go ask those Bengals fans how they like Ginger.

I never said he was a bad QB. I said that he was the worst kind to have. He plays well enough to keep a team on the hook and consistently makes them wonder if he'll turn that next corner and become a top 10 guy that is capable of big things in big moments, but always fails in the important moments and ends up holding the team back. He is the perfect type of QB that will have a team wasting 4 or 5 years to find out that he isn't worth the long term investment. I'd rather go through a terrible bad QB or two and suffer more to where I'm not getting fooled by fools gold. I'd rather know that I'm in a deep spot that needs a drastic change so I can make that top priority until I truly solve it. QB's are just that important in today's league if you want to be a contender consistently. Finding that franchise guy is hard.

You look at teams that had guys like Marino, Montana/Young and Jim Kelly. Look at how long it has taken them to find a really strong replacement franchise QB. The Bills have been through so many since then, and Miami is still looking for their guy since they lost Marino. Miami has another "dalton" type of there that they're wasting time on too.
 
Texecutioner said:
And go ask those Bengals fans how they like Ginger.

I never said he was a bad QB. I said that he was the worst kind to have. He plays well enough to keep a team on the hook and consistently makes them wonder if he'll turn that next corner and become a top 10 guy that is capable of big things in big moments, but always fails in the important moments and ends up holding the team back. He is the perfect type of QB that will have a team wasting 4 or 5 years to find out that he isn't worth the long term investment. I'd rather go through a terrible bad QB or two and suffer more to where I'm not getting fooled by fools gold. I'd rather know that I'm in a deep spot that needs a drastic change so I can make that top priority until I truly solve it. QB's are just that important in today's league if you want to be a contender consistently. Finding that franchise guy is hard.

You look at teams that had guys like Marino, Montana/Young and Jim Kelly. Look at how long it has taken them to find a really strong replacement franchise QB. The Bills have been through so many since then, and Miami is still looking for their guy since they lost Marino. Miami has another "dalton" type of there that they're wasting time on too.
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In other words he is Matt Schaub.
 
Texecutioner said:
And go ask those Bengals fans how they like Ginger.

I never said he was a bad QB. I said that he was the worst kind to have. He plays well enough to keep a team on the hook and consistently makes them wonder if he'll turn that next corner and become a top 10 guy that is capable of big things in big moments, but always fails in the important moments and ends up holding the team back. He is the perfect type of QB that will have a team wasting 4 or 5 years to find out that he isn't worth the long term investment. I'd rather go through a terrible bad QB or two and suffer more to where I'm not getting fooled by fools gold. I'd rather know that I'm in a deep spot that needs a drastic change so I can make that top priority until I truly solve it. QB's are just that important in today's league if you want to be a contender consistently. Finding that franchise guy is hard.

You look at teams that had guys like Marino, Montana/Young and Jim Kelly. Look at how long it has taken them to find a really strong replacement franchise QB. The Bills have been through so many since then, and Miami is still looking for their guy since they lost Marino. Miami has another "dalton" type of there that they're wasting time on too.
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OK, I understand. Franchise QB = Hall of Fame QB. In your world everyone else is scrubs.
 
Texecutioner said:
And go ask those Bengals fans how they like Ginger.

I never said he was a bad QB. I said that he was the worst kind to have. He plays well enough to keep a team on the hook and consistently makes them wonder if he'll turn that next corner and become a top 10 guy that is capable of big things in big moments, but always fails in the important moments and ends up holding the team back. He is the perfect type of QB that will have a team wasting 4 or 5 years to find out that he isn't worth the long term investment. I'd rather go through a terrible bad QB or two and suffer more to where I'm not getting fooled by fools gold. I'd rather know that I'm in a deep spot that needs a drastic change so I can make that top priority until I truly solve it. QB's are just that important in today's league if you want to be a contender consistently. Finding that franchise guy is hard.

You look at teams that had guys like Marino, Montana/Young and Jim Kelly. Look at how long it has taken them to find a really strong replacement franchise QB. The Bills have been through so many since then, and Miami is still looking for their guy since they lost Marino. Miami has another "dalton" type of there that they're wasting time on too.
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I'm fairly certain that I've seen the "worst kind (of QB) to have" and Dalton wasn't it. I'd take Dalton over anything we've had since Schaub got hurt and came back broken in a heartbeat.
 
Hervoyel said:
There's more to it than that. You also need to click these together three times.

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Texecutioner's Advanced HOF Quarterback Detectors (TM)
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No way. Those shoes are way too expensive. What you need to do is grab a set of career backups off the clearance rack and apply a little alchemy. Turn that lead into gold - or at least into iron pyrite.
 
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Should be exciting to see what happens when Brian Hoyer and Ryan Mallett both inevitably flame out or get hurt themselves.
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL 11m11 minutes ago
Good news on Savage. Severe sprain no surgery. Out 4 to 6 weeks.
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The sprain they are speaking of involves the AC joint .

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From my post after the game last night:

CloakNNNdagger said:
When Savage after his injury grabbed in pain, he grabbed right where the clavicle meets the shoulder (the AC joint)......not the shoulder, and not the mid clavicular area where most clavicular fractures occur.
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If this is a Type I tear, could be 1-2 weeks in a non throwing position. But in a QB sustaining it in the throwing arm, more realistically closer to 3-4 weeks.

If this is a Type II tear, could be ~3 weeks in a non throwing position. But in a QB sustaining it in the throwing arm, more realistically closer to 6 weeks.

"Severe" usually refers to a Type III, and, if this is what "severe" refers to in Savage's case, again in a QB sustaining this injury in the throwing arm, return could more realistically be anywhere from 8-12 weeks.
 
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Nitrofish said:
So what are the odds Cassell gets cut from the Bills and signed by the Texans now?
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Try to remember back to last year when Cassel opted out of his contract with the Vikings, sat around FA for a little while, then resigned with the Vikings.

He was available last year, we went with Fitzpatrick. We were no more interested in Cassel than we were in Bridgewater.
 
thunderkyss said:
Try to remember back to last year when Cassel opted out of his contract with the Vikings, sat around FA for a little while, then resigned with the Vikings.

He was available last year, we went with Fitzpatrick. We were no more interested in Cassel than we were in Bridgewater.
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Ok but what are our options if Hoyer is injured in against the chiefs and will be out multiple weeks. We can't go back to Keenum. Are you saying we call Thad Lewis back up, trade to get Fitzy back? What? 4-6 weeks is a long time in the NFL.
 
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Wonder if they will consider using the short term IR designation on Savage. That would free up a roster spot. I'd carry two QB's in that instance and use that for Charles James. James can always play QB if needed. :cow:
 
Porky said:
Wonder if they will consider using the short term IR designation on Savage. That would free up a roster spot. I'd carry two QB's in that instance and use that for Charles James. James can always play QB if needed. :cow:
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That's what I was thinking last night when it happened. If it's severe enough, tag him as IR-designated to return.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
Oh...But what is the "system"?

Considering the O'Brien is beginning only his second year, who does know it?
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The Bill O'Brien offensive scheme. Well since he ran it in New England, and in Penn State it's a bit longer than his 2nd year. Other QB's who would know it are the Bills Matt Cassell, and Oakland's Matt McGloin. Thad Lewis was with us last year for a while so he has to have some familiarity with it also.
 
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As a wise person once said, system schmystem.

Cassell is mediocre-at-best, they aren't getting McGloin, and Lewis stunk it up against the Bears scrubs last night.

It's quite a pedigree.
 
Tolar's Ghost said:
As a wise person once said, system schmystem.

Cassell is mediocre-at-best, they aren't getting McGloin, and Lewis stunk it up against the Bears scrubs last night.

It's quite a pedigree.
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So you think we can just throw any QB in there and he does not need to know the scheme? lol that's hilarious.

Remember we are talking about a 3rd string guy here, not a starter or a backup. But if Hoyer or Mallett were to be injured, we would be in deep $hit. We used 4 QB's last season. No reason it can't happen again. We could get Cassell, or McGloin in a trade if that is what they wanted to do. Thad Lewis was picked up last season before Keenum, so he at least has some experience in the scheme whether he stunk it up for the Browns against the Bears scrubs or not.

Clearly the Texans are going to have to get someone if Savage is out 4-6 weeks.
 
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