EllisUnit
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Ewww we are early judgers here at Texans Talk, no need to give them a chance when you have our opinions
But i agree.
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Ewww we are early judgers here at Texans Talk, no need to give them a chance when you have our opinions
But i agree.
I guess it's more the assumption that O'Brien has already decided he just wants him here for this year and then off to the draft. Not that Mallett's the long term answer, but I don't think O'Brien is anywhere close to that conclusion either at this point.
That's what I find enjoyable about OB's approach already, that he seems much less static.
That's what I find enjoyable about OB's approach already, that he seems much less static.
The Pencil Neck
Hall of Fame
I think that's what gave him negotiating flexibility.
Mallet MAY be the answer. Savage MAY be the long-term answer. But OB isn't going to bet the house on a single option.
I like that.
We're the only ones that wanted him. If there was any buzz about him, like there was for Matt Schaub, it would be different.
After St.Louis lost Sam B. I would think they would have had some interest. But I didn't see any rumors being bounced around
& if we got him for a 7th round pick two drafts from now, what could they have possibly been offering?
Like I said, I don't know that the Rams made any offers. My post was mainly me wondering aloud why we didn't hear that they were at least sniffing around when Bradford got hurt.
yeah, I got you. I was just adding to your thought..... or my thought of what you thought, or what I think you would have thought if.....
nvm
I can get all those foodstuffs where I shop. Even funnel cakes.
...besides, the Mallett talk is pretty much stale unless TC or somebody gives us a spy report from practice saying he threw one so hard it went through the practice bubble.
(please, please, please...!!)
Well I read on twitter the other day that Mallett once threw it so hard in a high school game that the ball got stuck in a chain link fence
Not sure how that happens...
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Up in Texarkana the "chain link fence" was probably a hog panel.
I would be very surprised if Mallett doesn't get any snaps this season. We will know by the end of the season if he is the solution. If not, he's gone by the end of the year due to his contract and we have Savage as the backup plus a new QB who's not on this team.
I'm happy with this setup as I always felt Kubiak had seemed rigid about who his QB would be.
I'm happy with this setup as I always felt Kubiak had seemed rigid about who his QB would be.
How would that make what I said any different?
If the buzz around the league was that he could be a starter, most of us would be in line & the speculation would run that way.
As it stands, no one knows, no one has any idea. So you're going to get the gamut.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
It's a new world for me. That stuff used to make my mouth water. But now it makes my stomach hurt just to think about them. Now there is no reason to go to a FAIR at all.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Makes you wonder if BB may be wondering if the Mallet trade was good timing.
speedfreek
All Pro
Not a fit for St. Louis -- the rams took the guy we waived to make room
for "The Texas Hammer"
speedfreek
All Pro
That was one of the complaints I saw on the pats forum..
Guy throws a speedball whether the receiver is 20 yards downfield
or on a screen -- no touch on the ball.
Guy throws a speedball whether the receiver is 20 yards downfield
or on a screen -- no touch on the ball.
speedfreek
All Pro
EVOLVIST
Kid A
Well, let's see...I'm a native Texan, born and raised. Amarillo, in fact, but I've been in Houston since December of 1977.
Couple of things about Houstonians: 1.) Ain't no use in thinking about Dallas. It just ain't worth it. 2.) Ain't no use in thinking about October, either. You're not going to get it.
Corndogs? I had no opinion about them until now that they've been associated with that crapass city to the north of us.
badboy
Hall of Fame
the corny dog upgrades to a chili dog if...
That being my point.
No one knows, no one has any idea. So what gamut should there be?
Speculating on the ultimate outcome is one thing, but the speculation of O'Brien's intentions may likely be getting more ahead of what's in play than O'Brien himself has even had in mind.
speedfreek
All Pro
If "the Texas hammer" gets a start this year and looks as bad as
he did in preseason, I'm going to change my pronunciation of his
name..
Something akin to "Ballet", ie: "Ryan Mal-lay"
After all, what is a better way to acknowledge the "surrender of a
season" than going French..
he did in preseason, I'm going to change my pronunciation of his
name..
Something akin to "Ballet", ie: "Ryan Mal-lay"
After all, what is a better way to acknowledge the "surrender of a
season" than going French..
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
If "the Texas hammer" gets a start this year and looks as bad as he did in preseason, I'm going to change my pronunciation of his
name..
Something akin to "Ballet", ie: "Ryan Mal-lay"
After all, what is a better way to acknowledge the "surrender of a
season" than going French..
I love the French joke, but man you really did love Keenum didn't you? Like Keenum, I just hope Mallett gets a fair shot at starting and some patience to see what he can do. At least 8 games.
speedfreek
All Pro
I liked Case, but he doesn't fit here any more -- that could be
seen in preseason. And any fan of his would be happy that
he found a team that wanted him..
My beef was with the entire Mallett acquisition.
#1 If you want the guy, get him before camp so he has a
legit shot of being successful with the team. I would have
rather taken a flyer on "The Texas Hammer" at the start of
camp and avoided the entire Fitzpatrick signing -- more wasted
money
#2 If you don't think he's going to be "the guy", then don't waste
a pick on him. As many have pointed out, his numbers over
the last few year were not impressive (McClain, members of
the NE media I've heard on sports talk, etc..). You could have
"tanked" with Yates or Keenum and still saved the pick used on
Mallett
#3 The guy was out, no matter, in NE and our front office --yet
again-- gave up an asset they didn't need to or really can't afford to.
The Texans say there was interest from others in Mallett -- that's
absurd. I think the whole cowboys thing was floated by NE and
I don't like to be "chumped" which is what I think happened.
It's only a 7th or 6th, blah blah -- the reality is this team has needs
all over the place now. We have changed scheme so much that
we are essentially starting over looking for talent.
Just look at how many guys we signed last week.
It just seemed like Mallett was an "impulse buy", something that
we seem to suffer from at all levels: McNair, Smith, Obrien, etc.
seen in preseason. And any fan of his would be happy that
he found a team that wanted him..
My beef was with the entire Mallett acquisition.
#1 If you want the guy, get him before camp so he has a
legit shot of being successful with the team. I would have
rather taken a flyer on "The Texas Hammer" at the start of
camp and avoided the entire Fitzpatrick signing -- more wasted
money
#2 If you don't think he's going to be "the guy", then don't waste
a pick on him. As many have pointed out, his numbers over
the last few year were not impressive (McClain, members of
the NE media I've heard on sports talk, etc..). You could have
"tanked" with Yates or Keenum and still saved the pick used on
Mallett
#3 The guy was out, no matter, in NE and our front office --yet
again-- gave up an asset they didn't need to or really can't afford to.
The Texans say there was interest from others in Mallett -- that's
absurd. I think the whole cowboys thing was floated by NE and
I don't like to be "chumped" which is what I think happened.
It's only a 7th or 6th, blah blah -- the reality is this team has needs
all over the place now. We have changed scheme so much that
we are essentially starting over looking for talent.
Just look at how many guys we signed last week.
It just seemed like Mallett was an "impulse buy", something that
we seem to suffer from at all levels: McNair, Smith, Obrien, etc.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
How exactly was that 7th round pick in 2016 going to help those needs we have now?
Oh that's right, by trading it this year to address the biggest need on the team.
You've defeated your own argument...
speedfreek
All Pro
1) If Fitz gets hurt, it's a 6th.. Who knows what holes we'll have
by the end of the year (maybe Cush isn't Cush anymore, etc.)
2) If he addresses the biggest need on the team, then he should
have been the guy _instead of_ Fitz months ago..
3) Signing a guy 5-6 days before the regular season isn't helping
any team "now".
You're not understanding my argument..
by the end of the year (maybe Cush isn't Cush anymore, etc.)
2) If he addresses the biggest need on the team, then he should
have been the guy _instead of_ Fitz months ago..
3) Signing a guy 5-6 days before the regular season isn't helping
any team "now".
You're not understanding my argument..
You've made it loud and clear ad naseum, TJ, you didn't want O'Brien.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Your argument is that this team is chock full of needs right now, so giving up a 7th round draft pick two years from now was a bad decision.
Even if Mallett can't help the team right now, a 7th round 2016 draft pick can't help the team right now either.
Because... 2016
So yes, I completely do not understand your argument.
speedfreek
All Pro
Didn't say that.
Go back and look at my threads.
I've said for months that we should have given other guys interviews
first..
1) Didn't interview Wisenhunt
2) Didn't bother to interview more accomplished college coaches..
If we would have done our "due diligence" and actually had a more
complete coaching search -- and still ended up with Obrien - then
I would feel more comfortable moving forward..
Right now I just feel the entire franchise is on very shaky legs, and
that sucks because I've been a die hard fan and supporter since the
teams inception..
Go back and look at my threads.
I've said for months that we should have given other guys interviews
first..
1) Didn't interview Wisenhunt
2) Didn't bother to interview more accomplished college coaches..
If we would have done our "due diligence" and actually had a more
complete coaching search -- and still ended up with Obrien - then
I would feel more comfortable moving forward..
Right now I just feel the entire franchise is on very shaky legs, and
that sucks because I've been a die hard fan and supporter since the
teams inception..
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
People just don't get the concept of value.
If you like a banana and it's good for you, does that mean you will pay any price for it? Or do you look for a banana in reasonably good condition for a reasonable price?
The price dropped folks. It's that simple. We might have gotten him off the waiver wire, but there is probably another team or two who would have given up something in a trade which would keep him off the wire.
a 2016 7th Rd pick is equivalent to a 2015 8th Rd pick if he doesn't work out. Since there are no 8th Rd picks, it is the equivalent of a 2015 UFA. Cheap, but not free. If he works out even as a backup, he has value. If he's good enough to play 40% of the snaps, then 6th round is also a bargain. If he's good, but leaves in FA, then we get a draft pick back for losing him to FA.
It really is a good deal. And this is coming from a Keenum fan.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
I feel the exact opposite of you. I like that they didn't rush out and overspend for a QB like those dumpster diving Franchises. I like that they knew what they wanted in a Coach. I like how they brought in bigger core players. I like how they committed to a strong D and core players with this Mgmt teams first draft. I can be patient as a fan and not have to have some bs move to appease instant gratification.
The only thing I didn't like was retaining Rick Smith. Otherwise I think I feel better about this franchise than I have been feeling for what is going on years now.
You're not the only "die-hard" around here.
And 2-14 makes any franchise shaky.
I like what O'Brien brings.
I'm ready for kickoff Sunday and let em play!
Go Texans!
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I don't get the argument either.. QB (regardless of starter or backup position) was a huge need (one of the biggest needs). So how can one make the argument that we should of kept a 6th or 7th round pick, "because this team has a lot of holes to fill now", when we used that pick to fill one now instead of two years down the road?
speedfreek
All Pro
No it isn't. You're reading this incorrectly..
let me change the wording so you can understand my point:
"It's only a 7th or 6th, blah blah -- the reality is this team has needs
all over the place "this year". We have changed scheme so much that
we are essentially starting over looking for talent. and will need as many
opportunities to get that talent as possible over the next few years"
There is no way that one signing is going to repair the team for 2014.
I've understood that for a while. It was obvious when Obrien didn't take
a QB early in the draft.
He is changing everything else first, so that when he takes a QB high the
guy will have a better chance to win -- and BoB of keeping his job..
This rebuild is going to take a few drafts and free agent signings, and
that pick next year (possible 6th) would be much more valuable to us
than an NE castoff -- specially if Mallett turns out to be a flop.
Look at how much roster turnover we've had. There is no way a quick
fix is in the cards..
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Teams flip their rosters like this all the time. Time to wake up and get out of the old NFL. Your take on a 6th round pick being so valuable is ridiculous. Just go to drafthistory.com and look at the hundreds of guys taken in the 6th and 7th rounds and try to say with a straight face that this cast of guys you never heard of is more valuable than a veteran back up QB that has been in your system for 5 years.
michaelm
vox nihili
OK, there's a backup QB available for trade.
One of the greatest head coaches in NFL history evaluated this QB and decided said QB was good enough to be the sole backup to one of the greatest QBs in league history for several seasons.
You can get that QB for a 7th round pick to be your backup, or a 6th round pick at the highest to be your starter if he plays well enough.
You'd be a damn fool not to do that.
speedfreek
All Pro
I don't see "backup" QB as a "glaring" need for any team. You lose your
starter for the season and you're pretty much done. For example,
Mallett was chucked for a rookie.
If Mallett was truly someone they wanted, they should have done it
early to give him a chance to succeed. I think the reason they waited
is because they don't have faith in Mallett
And if that's the case -- don't waste the pick..
Starting QB _is_ a big need for this team (but so is OL, secondary,
possibly kicker, etc.)
If Rick and BoB think that Mallett is your future starter, then give up
the 5th rd. pick months ago and lets go into 2014 with "Big Tex" and
not Fitz - if he succeeds then we have filled that need.
If he takes over because fitz is down for the year, and plays poorly,
then we've wasted money on fitz and money + pick on Mallett and
_not_ filled a need..
Was it because mallet was bad? Or was it because he didn't have time
to get reps with the team?
People are talking about "value". That's nonsense. This whole thing
is risk-reward and the way this was handled (trading late last week)
sets us up with the worst possible scenario for reward (a coached
up mallet ready to go in game one) and the highest possible risk (money,
picks, cap space, etc.)
starter for the season and you're pretty much done. For example,
Mallett was chucked for a rookie.
If Mallett was truly someone they wanted, they should have done it
early to give him a chance to succeed. I think the reason they waited
is because they don't have faith in Mallett
And if that's the case -- don't waste the pick..
Starting QB _is_ a big need for this team (but so is OL, secondary,
possibly kicker, etc.)
If Rick and BoB think that Mallett is your future starter, then give up
the 5th rd. pick months ago and lets go into 2014 with "Big Tex" and
not Fitz - if he succeeds then we have filled that need.
If he takes over because fitz is down for the year, and plays poorly,
then we've wasted money on fitz and money + pick on Mallett and
_not_ filled a need..
Was it because mallet was bad? Or was it because he didn't have time
to get reps with the team?
People are talking about "value". That's nonsense. This whole thing
is risk-reward and the way this was handled (trading late last week)
sets us up with the worst possible scenario for reward (a coached
up mallet ready to go in game one) and the highest possible risk (money,
picks, cap space, etc.)
Mallet will start and soon.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Bledsoe was chucked for Brady. O'Brian has a "strong develop" QB record. timing based off- 1) available resources (draft picks & cap room) 2) lower compensation needed to consummate trade (would have cost higher pre-draft even start of pre-season) patience paid off 3) Keenum not the answer & needs a fresh start somewhere else
playa465
Veteran
I think everyone understands your argument just as you should understand their side of the coin. Gif below not directed at you but I found it amusing.
TheIronDuke
All Pro
On 790 this morning, LZ said that his sources told him that Mallett was the Texans #2 target with the first being Matt Barkley. I think I'd take Mallett over Barkley but I found it interesting if the story is true.
Vinny
shiny happy fan
Don't tell that to Earl Morrall or the Colts who put him in when Johnny Unitas went down and led them to a 13-1 record. The only undefeated team ever in the NFL did it with a back up QB most of the year as well.
Many did not expect much from Keenum because he was not drafted. People didn't expect much from Tj because he was drafted in the 5th round.
Expectations for Mallet should be somewhere in between, because we weren't willing to give up more than a 7th round pick two drafts from now (I wonder where that even falls on the value chart).
I'm a charter member of the Sunshine Club & a fellow in the Koolaid Servers Association of Houston, but I'm having difficulty putting my game face on because of our situation at starting QB.
So yeah, I'm hoping there is more to this trade than, "the price dropped." I'm hoping there's more to Tom Savage than a 4th round pick.
I dont' know what else to do.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
BigBull
Rookie
Yeah I think Lance and his sources are full of it or are flat out lying. I don't think OB likes short weak arm qbs. Besides he already has Fitz to fill the roll of short weak arm qb.
