badboy
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Cobb 22 for 227 yards 2 Tds at 13 yards per catch. Minny hurt his stats. He needs more targets. I expect going forward he will get them.
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badboy
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We can get better with our third and two fourths. Most value Watt at minimum a third. I say a second. Either way another significant draft pick.
Reader was a fifth so it can be done.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Your assuming we get a better gm then casserly.
badboy
Hall of Fame
If we cannot we should not hire that person. Perhaps we should hire a draft Guru like Mike Mayock?
Think about the financial situation this new HC and GM would be coming into .... 38 players under contract and over the cap.
They'll have to cut people anyway. No way around that.
Starting the process now you at least get some mid / low draft picks in return along with clearing the cap situation leaving the new HC/GM some wiggle room there,
No , you aren't getting better on the field .... but you are getting better financially which allows you to get better on the field.
This year's FA is going to be totally bonkers because so many teams are in the same cap situation. 15 teams are going to have to cut or restructure players to create cap space to fill out their rosters.
That's going to flood the market with quality FA's .... and they are going to be forced to take less than usual because of the shrunken cap. Clear that space now and be ready to take advantage of that this offseason.
Done right , a team could really improve themselves even without those top two picks going into 2021 while paying 60 cents on the dollar for FA's which sets them up well for a 2-3 year period as the cap returns to normal in 22 and beyond.
Detroit has $100m & Jax has $88m
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welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Great info thanks, I see this as something Texans should pursue as he’s a problem contract, seems to rack up stats in a handful of games per season and be missing the rest of the time.
If we view this year as a write off anyway, then next years $4.5m isn’t crippling, and by the time we have draft picks again we are free of his dead money.
This is where this franchise being all in on Watt makes no sense at this point. Paying $17m next year for a player who is still fairly good when healthy but often not healthy, when you could eat a load of dead money from crap contracts with that saving.
Imagine if we were able to hire Todd Bowles for instance, the worry will be that he leverages an awful lot out of the fact both his ILB’s can do it all after the snap. If you want to slow the best QB’s in the league, having the 2 one trick ponies in the middle is going to kill any creativity.
For me, Watt moves first, I try to get him to a contender so I’m doing right by him. Then I use his contract saving to get rid of the bad contracts in McKinney, Mercilus and possibly even Cunningham.
Im looking to resign Conley cheap and hoping he can play opposite Roby next year, I persist with Reid and LoJo as safety, I look to get ILB’s who can cover as well as play downhill, and hope the Greenard/Blacklock/Omenihu/Ejiofor/PJ etc can improve with playing time.
I hire Todd Bowles and ensure he understands that next year is a year to build through, but that he isn’t going to be going through perpetual rebuild like he did in New York, he has the offense minus a running back, he just needs
to build a defence in his image and it’ll be a winning formula.
They can improve by opening up cap space and using it correctly.
They are going to have to cut people anyway they might as well try to get something for them. All you are worried about is DW4. Others are worried about the future of the franchise, but I see you have built in an excuse when DW4 fails over the next 4 yrs.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Instead of a draft evaluator we need one who can evaluate free agents. Someone who could do both would be very valuable. Anyone know someone like that?Think about the financial situation this new HC and GM would be coming into .... 38 players under contract and over the cap.
They'll have to cut people anyway. No way around that.
Starting the process now you at least get some mid / low draft picks in return along with clearing the cap situation leaving the new HC/GM some wiggle room there,
No , you aren't getting better on the field .... but you are getting better financially which allows you to get better on the field.
This year's FA is going to be totally bonkers because so many teams are in the same cap situation. 15 teams are going to have to cut or restructure players to create cap space to fill out their rosters.
That's going to flood the market with quality FA's .... and they are going to be forced to take less than usual because of the shrunken cap. Clear that space now and be ready to take advantage of that this offseason.
Done right , a team could really improve themselves even without those top two picks going into 2021 while paying 60 cents on the dollar for FA's which sets them up well for a 2-3 year period as the cap returns to normal in 22 and beyond.
Detroit has $100m & Jax has $88m
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If your name isn't Watson, Tunsil or Howard you're available.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Cut/release List:
Hargreaves
Conley
Fulton
Kelemete
Fells
Coutee
Ejifor (have literally got nothing since this kid was drafted)
Gaines
Carter
Mercy
Stills
Restructure..if they don't want to, release them:
Cunningham
Mckinney
Murray..i would cut, i just don't think that we could afford to release him due to depth purposes
DJ31....
Cooks
Martin
Resign:
Fuller
Draft:
3rd round Best ILB or CB available
4th round Best ILB or CB available
5th round Best OLB/ run stuffing NT available
FA: run stuffing vet (snacks harris), FS (Eric Reid), Guard (??)
Hargreaves
Conley
Fulton
Kelemete
Fells
Coutee
Ejifor (have literally got nothing since this kid was drafted)
Gaines
Carter
Mercy
Stills
Restructure..if they don't want to, release them:
Cunningham
Mckinney
Murray..i would cut, i just don't think that we could afford to release him due to depth purposes
DJ31....
Cooks
Martin
Resign:
Fuller
Draft:
3rd round Best ILB or CB available
4th round Best ILB or CB available
5th round Best OLB/ run stuffing NT available
FA: run stuffing vet (snacks harris), FS (Eric Reid), Guard (??)
badboy
Hall of Fame
Other than dead money what have you seen from Tytus Howard that makes you all gooey inside? If you are saying all three are too expensive to trade, I will agree.
I would try to trade Watt and Stills to the Pack for a 2nd and a 5th but would take a 3rd and a 5th. Then I would cut N. Martin and McKinney. That would give me around 28 mil on the cap if my math is correct.
With the 28 mil I would hope that I could find a CB1 in FA and a NT. Then in the draft I would try to find an S that could start right away like Winfield. With the secondary and run game fixed I would spend more of my draft capital on a devlopmental pass rusher in the 3rd like Barron Browning or Tyreke Smith. At the top of the 4th I would take the RB Robinson from Alabama and if I had to I would trade back into the 3rd to get him. In this scenario I would still have Arzona's 4th and the Packs 5th plus two 6ths. Plenty of ammo to move back into the 3rd even one more time if I wanted too to get a starting OG.
If they trade JJ/Stills and get a 2nd and a 5th they can greatly improve the defense in 1 offseason, but they have to act now to set this offseason up.
With the 28 mil I would hope that I could find a CB1 in FA and a NT. Then in the draft I would try to find an S that could start right away like Winfield. With the secondary and run game fixed I would spend more of my draft capital on a devlopmental pass rusher in the 3rd like Barron Browning or Tyreke Smith. At the top of the 4th I would take the RB Robinson from Alabama and if I had to I would trade back into the 3rd to get him. In this scenario I would still have Arzona's 4th and the Packs 5th plus two 6ths. Plenty of ammo to move back into the 3rd even one more time if I wanted too to get a starting OG.
If they trade JJ/Stills and get a 2nd and a 5th they can greatly improve the defense in 1 offseason, but they have to act now to set this offseason up.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
He's still young and raw and on his rookie contract. Maybe he can be salvaged with a new coaching staff & be an option to possibly kick inside at guard if/when Fulton is released.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You need to look at GTD $ owed to some of them but I get your frustration.
badboy
Hall of Fame
28 million doesn't get you close to 175 cap. Cannot sign anyone until their contract fits below 175. Good start but ways to go.
Mr teX
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I don't care what the GTD owed is. We are likely not winning anything next year and i'm in favor of getting rid of as much of the stench on the roster that we possibly could in that 1 year so that we could be ready to replenish with a full compliment of draft picks in 2022. Aside from that, a statement would need to be made to the guys we would decided to keep as well as to the franchise, DW4.
banned1976
sleeper mode
You keep referencing “we”. None of us did this to our favorite NFL team. Most of us thought it was dumb as hell to give O’Brien and Easterby all that power. Some of us saw this train wreck coming. I predicted a 4-6 win season. Which, in retrospect, was too high.
Next year won’t be much better. It might in fact be worse. They can only try and reduce the damage.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Young and raw still should get some decent play from him. He's big and strong enough to not get rollerized. Run around, out foxed sure but not blasted. Like Scharping Howard has gone backwards and that's not all on Devlin.
After seeing Howard this yr, he's regressed. Hopefully the only reason for this is because he's playing on a bum ankle. If this is the case I expect him to greatly improve under new coaching. If this isn't the case I move him back into RG and look for a RT. Then put Fulton at C and Scharping at LG and under new coaching I think the OL will be very solid. There may need to be some cheap FA depth pieces adde and a 4th/5th rd developmental guy along the way for depth purposes but those kinds of guys should be easy to find.
Mr teX
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You'd be surprised......He's been decent though...certainly an upgrade over Giacomni, & any of the other bums they/ve trotted out there over the last few years.
Next yr doesn't have to be that bad if they can start making trades to add draft capital and clear enough cap space to be a player in FA.
Daniel Jeremiah is a guy I would look at for the GM position too. Young/well connected around the league. Was a scout in Baltimore and Philly.
I'd second that .... how about Daniel Jeremiah and Eric Bienimi !
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Maybe, but either way you can’t unload everyone. Guys like Scharping and Howard are young enough to try out with a new coaching staff. Fulton, Martin and Kelemente are who we thought they were. They can go
Norg
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when will be the right time to sit and protect our little assets we have left manily for rest and prevent injury ...we do have alot of games left
Watson
LT and Titus
Cooks & Will
duke and David
Zach Roby and Reid...... should all prob sit
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and the the rest need to be traded or cut quick fast and in a hurry
esp Watt and Mercilus both the RB and all the Tight ends the interor Oline and like 90% of the defense
Watson
LT and Titus
Cooks & Will
duke and David
Zach Roby and Reid...... should all prob sit
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and the the rest need to be traded or cut quick fast and in a hurry
esp Watt and Mercilus both the RB and all the Tight ends the interor Oline and like 90% of the defense
Norg
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just a curious THought how many 1's could watson gets we talking 2 or 3 1st rounders ..???? + something extra ..????
lets rehire Kubes and rick smith grab Schaub from atl and go back in time when it was all sunshine and roses ... :P
watson to the Jets and we just get another qb with the first pick
lets rehire Kubes and rick smith grab Schaub from atl and go back in time when it was all sunshine and roses ... :P
watson to the Jets and we just get another qb with the first pick
Norg
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i think Cal is our GM right now he should be making all the calls and moves ...what if cal actually reads these boards and got ideas on how to move and shake lol ..????? i mean everything we said he is bassically hitting the reset button getting some chips and freeing the cap for the new coach and GM that comes in here
if greenbay does not want JJ watt could u image him wearing a CHeifs or Ravens helmet ..... LOL a seahawks or bucs helmet
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2021 cap 175,000,000
Cap roll over $7,690,031
2021 contract obligations $194,465,143
If you trade Watt and Stills for no returning salary you'd generate 22,475,000 in immediate cap space. This would be ideal as it adds to the cap roll over which would put that figure at
$30,165,031 which would put your adjusted cap at $205,165,031.
Its not likely you can move those two players for no returning salary so for every dollar you take back , subtract it from the cap roll over and 21 adjusted cap.
Cap roll over is another reason to have the fire sale NOW not later. For every dollar under the adjusted cap you get to roll that over to the following seasons adjusted cap.
You'd be at $176,965,143 in salary obligations to 37 players which would be $28,199,888 under the adjusted cap. You've got 18 roster spots to fill with that figure.
If you want to be a player in FA you are going to have to make further trades / cuts.
Don't forget WFV is a free agent.
I'd also cut the following All before June First as the cap hit is all on 2021. Of course trading them NOW would be more advantageous in generating cap roll over & putting the cap hits on this years cap.
Nick Martin - Dead money $2,500,000 Cap savings $6,250,000
McKinney - Dead money $1,500,000 , Cap savings $7,000,000.
Ejiofor - Dead money $46,315 , Cap savings $920,000
David Johnson - Dead money $2,100,000 , Cap savings $6,900,000
Coutee - Dead money $182,258 . Cap savings $920,000
That would give you a total of $50,189,888 with 32 players under contract and 23 roster spots to fill.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Better get that ankle fixed before you move him anywhere or the move will be to IR. Looking at all the cuts or trades we have to make what position needs to be priority in round 3? Wide receiver, cornerback, safety, RG or running back? Some say edge rusher as no matter if you have all pro CBs and DBs (and we don't) a good QB will get a pass off. Which way do we go? Which way do we go?
badboy
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Well yeah but that was a year ago for first 8 games. If his..er.. Deficiency is only his ankle..if it is and playing on it doesn't wreck the ankle yeah we hope that in September of 2021 Howard is the guy or at minimum the guy at right guard. And if RG we hope we get Giacomini Slightly Better in free agency cause we are so good at identifying olinemen.
In 2020 Howard is slightly better than horrible.
Trading them now actually does - it creates cap roll over.
Doing it in the offseason .... doesn't give you that advantage
badboy
Hall of Fame
The biggest asset is JJ Watt and I do not see him leaving Houston. I would be less surprised to see him get an extension lowering his cap hit for this season and next and giving him about 40 mill GTD signing bonus spread over 5 years. 2020-24. Five season $80 million with last two not GTD just like his present deal.
badboy
Hall of Fame
He has been very accurate in mocks best in 2020 top 30. We need a guy that can evaluate college players. Not sure I would make him GM but his NFL contacts are solid and with NFL team scouting support he could be solid addition. It's been eight years since NFL scouting days.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not arguing just thinking out loud. Get what you can for last three, I agree. Howard's a first round who might be rehabilitated with Dallas, might bring you their round two which I have now as top 40 or their two 3rds 2021.
Dallas need oline NOW and Jones will not be made a fool of as long as Cal McNair was. I expect McCarthy to be fired after losing to the Washington whatcha macallits 25-3 Monday. Texans not going anywhere but Jerry needs to make a statement with new coach and doing something with Oline.
Play 'em like your holding high cards.
badboy
Hall of Fame
We as in our team when something goes right and we when something goes wrong. You and I don't draft anyone, sign anyone or hire anyone but we get results ir..oh what the Heck regardless.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well you should care, for example no reason for McKinney to restructure and if you cut him his cap increases now from $6 m to more than 8. Again I agree with your premise we just need to not cut off our nose to spite our face.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man stop it Dallas will not be doing any trades with us. Lol
badboy
Hall of Fame
Norg buddy, it was discussed several days ago that Watson if traded has all his guaranteed money brought to bear on this cap which exceeds 2020 cap and the trade would be nullified by NFL.
Weeks ago I was corrected by Corrosion as I thought NFL owners had agreed to allow GTD money usually bonuses to remain prorated to defray Covid hit. If I were right, theoretically Watson could be our best chance to rebuild this team. Top 5 QB or no, I doubt team is final three AFC for years.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Were you not one of those saying Obrien would not be fired?
I'm trying to get a coverage LB, S, RB out of this draft.
I'm hoping Heck can play RT Scharping RG Fulton C Howard LG Tunsil LT.
Texansballer74
The Marine
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badboy
Hall of Fame
I think you right about Cal..with Easterby nodding sagely. Mama McNair and mama Watson deciding JJ going nowhere.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah but tell me you would be stunned if he's extended. Watson may be the marketing future but JJ still has the team's #1 fan Janice in his corner. Trading him right or wrong will cause massive tidal wave and Houston Texans do not need that.
The main reason the Texans will never win anything with the McNair's as owners. Nothing after all of these yrs surprises me when it comes to the McNair's ineptness.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Man most of the fan base I know says they need to do Watt a solid. Meaning trade him to a team that would give him the best chance to win a SB. Some believe this was his last game as a Texan.
The media have been pushing a trade to either Green Bay or Pittsburgh.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s trade during the bi-week.
We are already in an uproar. Lol
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I wouldn't be shocked if he were restructured and extended .... cutting that cap hit from $17.5 down to $12m/$36m over 3-4 years. Honestly I wouldn't complain about that either. He is the best player on this defense and worth that in relative value. You aren't going to get a better player for that money.
Either way works for me - trade him or restructure to a more team friendly figure.