TexansFan15
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I haven’t heard anything. I’m basing my conclusions because of Culley initially saying that he’s be back and then being unable to give an answer without a good explanation. My conclusion is 100% “just a feeling”.
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Poll - who do Texans take @ #3?
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Texian
Hall of Fame
Usually do not make prognostications this early regarding OL/LT. Especially for OL. However, if Combine confirms my evaluations, would not be surprised to see Charles Cross being the #1 LT drafted in the 2022 draft. Has some of the best footwork I have seen from a college LT. Could possibly go #1 to the Jags.
Charles Cross// Offensive Tackle//film breakdown 2022 NFL Draft - YouTube
Charles Cross// Offensive Tackle//film breakdown 2022 NFL Draft - YouTube
When Doug Pederson was in Philly, the Eagles drafted a LT from Washington State in the 1st round in 2019 named Andre Dillard. Dillard was never in a 3 point stance in then HC Mike Leach's Air Raid offense. Still, he was the considered the best pass blocking LT in the draft.
Dillard has only started 9 games for the eagles, with his run blocking (or lack of) being the principal reason why he hasn't seen the field. I don't know for a fact that Cross can't run block at the NFL level. I agree completely that he is the best pass blocker in the draft. I just don't think Pederson (the new Jags HC) is going to give a recommendation to another LT coming out of a Mike Leach offense.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
I remember sitting in a bar watching that draft.
Eagles jumped up ahead of us and took Dillard and I was pretty mad.
There was an Eagles fan in the table next to ours and he saw my reaction and started chanting E-A-G-L-E-S.
Man I hope he is there again one day and I will tell him "Thanks Philly for taking Dillard".
I remember sitting in a bar watching that draft.
Eagles jumped up ahead of us and took Dillard and I was pretty mad.
There was an Eagles fan in the table next to ours and he saw my reaction and started chanting E-A-G-L-E-S.
Man I hope he is there again one day and I will tell him "Thanks Philly for taking Dillard".
I really liked Dillard too, he had great feet and I thought he would grow into a fine franchise LT once he got with a NFL S&C guy his run blocking would improve. I missed on this guy.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Bad year for tackles, but that didn’t stop the Texans from drafting one
They're still paying for that decision.Bad year for tackles, but that didn’t stop the Texans from drafting one
Had they given Belichick that 1st for Caserio, the BOB GM screwups may not have happened.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't count him out just yet. Remember Duane Brown gave up a lot of sacks his first 3 years in the league. Took him 4 years to become an all-pro. Unlike Brown, Dillard had some solid OT playing ahead of him. Brown was thrown to the wolves. Brown was a bigger disappointment in his first 3 years than Dillard. Most of these rookie OTs need a few years in an NFL training, health and nutritional program to reach their peak. Brown did get considerably stronger from the time he was first drafted. Dilliard had similar Combine stats as Brown.
Uh... Texans drafted 2Bad year for tackles, but that didn’t stop the Texans from drafting one
beerlover
Hall of Fame
In College but not NFL. Big question, is Tytus Howard even a tackle? Max Scharping is back-up RG.
They started Scharping at Tackle
Anywho, I don’t think much of Bill O’Briens offensive staff. Before that draft I stated they would have to bring in 5 Tackles just to make sure we get one at LT. I didn’t believe they knew what they were looking at & seemed to take pride in moving OL around just because they could.
Point. In a draft class poor in Tackles, they drafted two & probably got none
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You dont move a pro bowl level player to see what you might or might not have in a guy like Howard who's accomplished nothing in hopes that someday he might become as good as Tunsil already is.
If it was me, I would try to trade Howard to a team that needs a RT like the Chargers. I would consider myself lucky if I could get the Chargers 3rd for Howard. What do you think could be gotten in a trade for Howard?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Meh, I'm not quite there yet.
Duane Brown didn't start playing like a first rounder until his 4th season and you would only get like a 4th or 5th round pick in return.
If you think he is a RT, then why not play him there for the Texans?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Duplicate post.
But you know what man Duane Brown turned out to be one helluva LT, 'cause I remember yet on one of my trips out west to try to catch some of those wily Rocky Mountain rainbow, I was sitting in a bar in Jackson Hole, WY watching the Texans play the Steelers in Houston and Duane broke James Harrsions jaw. You guys remember that ? So Duane was not only a very athletic olineman, turns out he was also one bad-azz MoFo 'cause Harrison was nobody to jack around with.
So anyway turns out that Alex Gibbs knew how to pick 'em, as he had an eye for OL talent, and wish we had somebody with his skills for this Draft.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
If Tunsil’s heart isn’t in Houston then I have no desire to keep his over-priced arse. Like I read in some other stories…..13 weeks for a thumb injury is a bit long. When he injured the thumb against NE he missed a few plays and then returned to finish the game. Soon after, it was announced he would have thumb surgery and be out about 4 weeks. 4 weeks turned into the rest of the season. I just don’t think Caserio let his highest payed player take it easy on the couch while collecting a paycheck. Crazy thing, Tunsil started for 1 win in the season opener and the LT rotation was starting for the other 3 wins and 2 of the best running efforts on the season.
badboy
Hall of Fame
That's a country western song right there!
Because he's unreliable. When he's not hurt, he's an avg player who has a good game every now and then. He misses time with injuries every year.
What's strange to me is, he seems to lack athleticism and his body is awful. I looked back at his combine results .... he was pretty fast, but that's about it. He was a walk on at Alabama State as a tight end .... had been a QB in high school .... his interview didn't seem to evidence that - at Senior Bowl - afterwards - prognosis - rd 3-5. Seemed like a knee jerk reaction to me, after missing on Dillard. I'm still amazed by Dillard's nose dive .... like Joel used to say .... "look like Tarzan .... play like Jane" .... but it's hard not to follow your instinct on superior athletes .... especially on the offensive line !
Texian
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Dusty Springfield - Wishin' and Hopin' - YouTube
Considering your bromance with Nick I thought this song most apropos in more ways than one.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
A lot of us missed on him - including me.
Lol
No bromance here. Another bad decision by Calhoun.
I really thought Caserio would succeed and wasn't worried about the things you were worried about.
However after seeing that Calhoun hasn't fully turned over the football oops I fully expect Caserio to fail and a continuation of the lost decade to continue.
Nothing has changed down on Kirby except hopefully Caserio is a better talent evaluator than the previous GM's
Texian
Hall of Fame
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Number19
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OK, this vote for Ikem Ekwonu is predicated on the Texans unable to trade down. My 1st round choice, with a trade down, is Kenyon Green to play LG. Although Ekwonu is currently listed as a LT based on his play this past year, many projections have him moving inside, where he dominated at LG as a run blocker.
TexansFan15
All Pro
I’ve seen Green sliding in mock drafts (20-30 range). Some even have Johnson ranked ahead of Green.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Both Green and Johnson will be the top OG’s b/c their both good as run and pass blockers. I’d like to be in a position to see the Texans get both.
We could have drafted Josh Jacobs, which I wanted them to with that pick.Bad year for tackles, but that didn’t stop the Texans from drafting one
TheRealJoker
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
DE- Jermaine Johnson II (Florida State)
-or-
DE- Logan Hall (Houston)
Either of these 2 guys could be just as effective as Hutchinson or Thibodeaux and could be available from RD1-20 to RD2-42. This is a deep and strong defensive draft.
Number19
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Yes he has. The reason for this, at least as given in profiles, is that this past season he was played at every position except center. Consequently, his game grades declined somewhat from what they would have been had he been played solely at LG. But this works in the Texans favor, allowing them to be more aggressive in how far down they could trade down and still have him available. Green is a local, from Atascosita, and has been a 5 star talent at every level of football he has played. There should be no hesitation regarding his talent. Let's bring him home to play for the Texans.
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beerlover
Hall of Fame
You weren’t alone.We could have drafted Josh Jacobs, which I wanted them to with that pick.
Generally not a good move to go RB round 1.
Knowing what we know now
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Agreed about bringing Green home.
He's actually from Atascosita. Stud player, 10-15 is about right to pick him and somebody is going to get a steal. 10 yr starter.
Number19
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Thanks. Humble is what I should have written as Atascosita High School is in Humble. I actually was not aware that Atascosita was an adjacent unincorporated area.
I get places mixed up all of the time.
I totally agree with your point about Green and bringing him home.
I wouldn't totally be against picking say Hamilton at #3 and if Green fell to the mid 20's trading back up for him. BTW, I'm warming up to the idea of Gardner at #3.
I know this might somewhat hurt the rebuild but I would give up 2-37, 4-115 and a 6th to move up and pick Green.
Fans are wanting star level players and these 2 guys fit the bill.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I have seen that also but I think it's ridiculous. However it could be good for Texans depending on our pics.
badboy
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I have read of some concern that Hutchinson's alleged shorter arms could be a concern to some teams.
badboy
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Green or Ekwonu at left guard would make Howard an better left tackle. So would Cross or Salyer.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Update - 5 of these have not received a single vote yet - 2 of those are consistently ranked in the top 3 on several boards.
A defensive player currently leads this poll - just.
A defensive player currently leads this poll - just.
Most realize that Hutchinson is not getting past Detroit at #2.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Talking heads will say differently if for no other reason than to create more interest and controversy. Not to mention some of us actually still believe in Keyvon.
I like Keyvon, I think he's going to be a stud.
But with Lovie wanting to generate pressure with his front four & seldom blitzing I don't see the Texans drafting him.
Which talking head has the Lions taking Thibodeaux over Hutchinson?
Howard isn't a LT. He doesn't have the athletic ability to play LT on a full time basis. Can he fill in at LT if an injury happens but to have him play LT full time you're looking at another Davenport type of situation.
What I would like to see is how Tunsil would look with Green next to him and Smith from Tulsa at either LG or RG.
I would be very happy to draft Salyer at 2-37 and Smith at 4-115, play Smith next to Tunsil at LG and Salyer at RG next to Heck and the OL will be much improved.
That doesn't make any sense