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[Pick 67] Davis Mills QB Stanford
- Thread starter AcresHomesTexan
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I did not try to compare anything or anybody.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If our ol is crap they'll have to put him in because Taylor will be in the hospital. LOL
Jack Burton
Veteran
I think it’s more being flustered about “Oily” never playing a down for HOU again than anything Mills has or has not done especially considering he has yet to play a single freaking down in the NFL.
The Texans will have a much better ol than what Carr played behind.
If Britt) Taylor/Cannon stay healthy the ol won't be crap
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Interesting the Media and fan base are worried about Herbert slipping into a sophomore slump, per avg. stats of grouping 2nd year QB production compared to their rookie season. My guess because teams have tape and can game plan against his tendencies. Despite having more time in the pocket better running game with much improved OL. So second year is different than first where you more or less sling it around and play to your strengths.
Hence, Mills can sling it around and showcase his arm strength, accuracy and touch. What you guys worry about will come later, reading the defense, anticipating the Windows and developing timing with receivers. That only comes with PT/reps, and he will pick up playbook quick, Stanford smart.
Hence, Mills can sling it around and showcase his arm strength, accuracy and touch. What you guys worry about will come later, reading the defense, anticipating the Windows and developing timing with receivers. That only comes with PT/reps, and he will pick up playbook quick, Stanford smart.
Nothing personal to you, BL, or Mr. Mills, but please stop that Stanford smart thing.
School smart doesn't translate directly into football smart.
Studies had proved that IQ has no relation with football performance.
Mills isn't all that smart to begin with.
He had a 3.5 GPA in HS.
Prep
Sounds pretty good until it becomes known that the top 20% of the graduates has a 4.41 GPA.
College Counseling - Greater Atlanta Christian School
College Counseling - Greater Atlanta Christian School
His college major, STS, is in the humanity field, a far cry from rocket science.
The median starting salary for a graduate from that field (53K) trails several standard degrees (with Engineering being the top earner at nearly 70K)
Starting Salary Projections for Top-Earning Degrees Level
While engineering, computer science, and math and sciences degrees continue to be the highest earning bachelor’s degrees, the individual average projections for these degrees appear to have leveled.
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So school smarts don’t mean anything, but you feel the need to attack his school smarts regardless
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
You made me curious, so I googled that to see a sample course listing, and it's a lot of the history and ethics of science and technology and it's uses. Not much advanced science or math involved.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Nothing personal to you, BL, or Mr. Mills, but please stop that Stanford smart thing.
School smart doesn't translate directly into football smart.
Studies had proved that IQ has no relation with football performance.
Mills isn't all that smart to begin with.
He had a 3.5 GPA in HS.
Prep
www.gwinnettprepsports.com
Sounds pretty good until it becomes known that the top 20% of the graduates has a 4.41 GPA.
College Counseling - Greater Atlanta Christian School
College Counseling - Greater Atlanta Christian Schoolwww.greateratlantachristian.org
His college major, STS, is in the humanity field, a far cry from rocket science.
The median starting salary for a graduate from that field (53K) trails several standard degrees (with Engineering being the top earner at nearly 70K)
Starting Salary Projections for Top-Earning Degrees Level
While engineering, computer science, and math and sciences degrees continue to be the highest earning bachelor’s degrees, the individual average projections for these degrees appear to have leveled.
regardless, you will come out on the wrong side of this. Mills is the Texans best option, post Watson.
Why do you think everything has to be an attack?So school smarts don’t mean anything, but you feel the need to attack his school smarts regardless
The truth is not an attack.
It's just a fact.
But it doesn’t matter. That’s what you said, why even mention it?
Why is it OK for you to post this about Mills but not the Pervert.
Tell you what, lets compare Mills grades to the Perverts grades. In fact lets compare Mills real world smarts to the Perverts real world smarts.
Not saying Mills will be as good a QB as Pervert but lets compare athletic testing and Wunderlich testing at the Combine.
I mean if this is where you really want to go.
Because Ignorance is not Bliss.
I'm not comparing anything.
Boris
All Pro
So school smarts don’t mean anything, but you feel the need to attack his school smarts regardless
i took it as 76ers response to those using his cardinal pedigree as a guarantee of his qb iq
Understandable. I was with him when he stated it didn’t matter.
But then to argue Mills isn’t “that smart” & minimize Mills’ major... low blow, if it doesn’t matter
Da
The truth can be hard to take.
It ain't no blow to anybody.
It's the truth to dispell the rumor of a Stanford smart.
The truth can be hard to take.
It ain't no blow to anybody.
You got it.
First off, I had already stated that a QB does not to be any kind of a "genius" in math, science, etc. to be a good NFL QB.
That alone should be sufficient to say that there's no need to question Mills, or Vince Young, or any other QB.
The Wonderlic Test, for example, cannot predict how well a player will become in the NFL.
Many players with bottom scores had gone on to have great careers.
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On the other hand, several QBs with the highest scores were complete bust or never had much of a career.
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Many players with bottom scores had gone on to have great careers.
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On the other hand, several QBs with the highest scores were complete bust or never had much of a career.
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& if you left it at that, it would have been fine. End of argument.
But no, you argue he's not that intelligent & pretty much say he majored in basket weaving.
To put it another way, "Intelligence doesn't matter, Mills is as dumb as a box of rocks."
If it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter, so why bring it up?
If you want to argue that going to Stanford doesn't make him particularly intelligent, then the 3.5 GPA & his non-math & science major is relevant.
But to make that argument you shouldn't start with, "it's irrelevant, but..."
SeriousShizzle
Rookie
Davis Mills????
banned1976
sleeper mode
At this point in time, it doesn't really matter to me what school Mills went to, what his major was, his GPA or what he scored on the Wunderlic. I don't even care that he has only 11 starts in college. The questions to me are, can this coaching staff improve his flaws and enhance his skills? if they can, and he's receptive to their coaching methods, he could become, in time, a productive NFL quarterback. And now, with the Texans (hopefully) ditching the notion that they only have a few pieces missing, they have time to develop Mills as they build a young team around him. If that is Caserio's plan, and the only reason the Texans are one of the oldest teams (players age) is because he's planning on jettisoning a whole bunch of older vets out in 2022 and just wasn't able to do it all in 2021 due to some contract issues, I'm behind the idea of the Mills pick. I hope there's a concrete long-term plan in place for Mills and they didn't draft him out of desperation.
A thief knows a thief as a wolf knows a wolf.
Have fun with it; I ain't playing your little game.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
It’s the truth to dispel the rumor that an opinion is the truth.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
Ok, here is the way your “logic” runs as far as I can tell. Somebody expresses an opinion about a player by addressing some of their skill sets. You disagree, go get “data” that shows it doesn’t apply across the board and debunk the opinion. Your opinion, not truth, appears to be that the only thing that is the “truth” is football skills. Yet anyone can get an endless quantity of instances where football skills also don’t matter. Do you realize you are at ground zero when discussing a draft pick and any one thing can make or break that player? so Where is your “truth”. Remember truth can’t be contradicting. The only real truth then is that you don’t know it.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
What’s the definition of a productive NFL QB? Blaine Gabbert? He was drafted 10 years ago and is still drawing an NFL paycheck. Ryan Fitzpatrick? Tyrod Taylor?
Of course IF this and this and that happens you’ve got a good chance to be productive in this league. But that’s a lot of ifs to overcome. The talk around here is like Mills was a top 10 draft pick. He’s a 3rd rounder!!
Maybe it works out well because sometimes it does, but there’s a good probability it doesn’t because that’s what history tells us.
But the “smart” college he went to, his wonderlic scores, his GPA, his high school stats, stop already. None of that means squat. Those aren’t the things that are going to make him a productive NFL QB, or not.
So the baseline should be: Better than rookie David Carr.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Honestly, I don't see how Mills can be worse than Carr. And if Mills isn't our long term answer to the QB dilemma, that just means we still have that item on our checklist. Which, as far as I'm concerned, that checkbox isn't checked yet anyway.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Remember Banks was supposed to be the starter first season? This would also be a good comp, Banks just wasn’t as mobile as Taylor and with 2002 offensive line spelled trouble. Still can visualize him breaking his hand on follow through against on coming rushers helmet.
So yes, baseline better than Carr largely because of better OL.
So yes, baseline better than Carr largely because of better OL.
The point is that Mills will have much better support than Carr had. So he shouldn't be gun shy like Carr became. But you know this and I'm still trying to figure out why you would ask this question.
No, the poster brought up Stanford smart.
I had two points to counter that.
1. You don't need to be Stanford smart to be a good NFL QB.
(Debunked by the Wonderlic scores).
2. Mills isn't Stanford smart anyway.
(Proof = his HS GPA and his field of study).
Therefore, it's a moot point to even bring up Stanford smart.
Trust me I will take Mills Stanford smart over the Perverts form of smart anyday. Truth is Mills is plenty intelligent enough and has the physical abilities to become a franchise QB. Will he? who knows, but the traits are there. He's missing experience. Not a bad flier to take in the 3rd rd. IMHO
Did I ever say that he isn't smart enough?
No, I never did.
The fact remains he's not Stanford Smart.
And quit bring up Watson. He has nothing to do with Mills.
Watson has already proven to be a franchise QB with how much attention he got in various trade scenarios.
Mills; on the other hand, in your own words, may never be one.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Well damn someone is always tripping on me about the way I address others opinions. Then I read we can't bring up certain things in our sports opinion. So now we cant have our opinion ( I was accused of doing to others) when bringing up high school stats ( which was a damn example of the kid being a play maker since then). Wonderlic score which is very important to the interviewing process of every freaking player. No it doesn't mean he will be an elite player. And the college he came from.
These same things were brought up when Watson arrived on the Texans scene.
When Fitzpatrick first year here, the college he came from was brought up. Mainly because of what of Obrien. Even the media heads were talking about it.
These same things were brought up when Watson arrived on the Texans scene.
When Fitzpatrick first year here, the college he came from was brought up. Mainly because of what of Obrien. Even the media heads were talking about it.
banned1976
sleeper mode
One of the broader questions I was getting around to is do the Texans even have the coaching staff to develop a young quarterback regardless the draft round. I'm not confident they do. Every time I hear Culley he sounds like some random guy that was picked out of the stands and offered a head coaching job in the NFL having his first interview ever after meeting the rest of the coaching staff. His interview this past week he was talking about blocking sleds as if they were some novel concept. Pep Hamilton doesn't instill confidence in me either and Kelly is an O'Brien holdover.
As far as Mills, just looking at him, there is so little to analyze that I don't really know what to expect.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
Cmon dude, you know there is no such thing as Stanford smart. Even if you attempted to define it I could only see it be measured by 1)being accepted to Stanford or 2)graduating from Stanford.
I'm wondering if Justin Reid got this much debate (notice I didn't say criticism
) in 2018. I wanted them to take Orlando Brown Jr.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I will take Mills being as good as Herbert was last yr.
It wasn't like Herbert was some kind of cant miss prospect. Sure he was talented, but there were questions about his leadership/competitiveness. Pep was able to reach Herbert. Seems like some of the same questions are currently being asked about Mills.
The way I see it is, Herbert was throwing to a lower level of WR's at Oregon and Mills was doing the same thing at Stanford. Difference is Herbert had more experience and Herbert was more consistent throwing outside the numbers accurately. This is do to footwork and not arm strength. IMHO If Mills can improve this and Pep should be able to help with this, then Mills should be able to become a quality NFL starter. But for fans expecting Mills to come in and light up the NFL like Herbert did, you're going be disappointed. Again, he needs to gain experience and there will be growing pains.
Cmon dude, you know there is no such thing as Stanford smart. Even if you attempted to define it I could only see it be measured by 1)being accepted to Stanford or 2)graduating from Stanford.
I'm wondering if Justin Reid got this much debate (notice I didn't say criticism
I dont know about this, Bob Whitfield (Former All Pro LT) fought child support payments on The Housewives of Atlanta and beat the lawyer (Phaedra) on the show in court. His exact statement when they asked him how he won the case was, Well I did go to Stanford. Not that this means anything when it comes to play on the football field.
I hate to keep getting into this, but you guys wouldn't just leave it alone.Cmon dude, you know there is no such thing as Stanford smart. Even if you attempted to define it I could only see it be measured by 1)being accepted to Stanford or 2)graduating from Stanford.
I'm wondering if Justin Reid got this much debate (notice I didn't say criticism
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Mills HS GPA was nowhere near enough to be admitted to Stanford.
He got in because he play football.
& smart enough to know it.
Dejaview
Wahoo Sabi
What do you know about his field of study? Actually it may be ideal for someone that plans to be a tech investor and the social trends that can direct technology. Maybe this is his end goal whether he’s making big bucks in NFL or for another career. His HS GPA? You stop at nothing to support your “truth” junk.
Also his sister's although still very young are successful. Odds are he will be successful too.
I know enough with some of the things I've already posted.
1. The median salary is lower than several traditional fields like Engineering, IT, Hardware, etc.
Difficult Work = Higher Pay
That's simple enough to understand.
2. The course works, like Thorn had mentioned, are not on par (not as tough) as in those fields and many others.
3. His HS GPA is nowhere near enough to get admitted into Stanford as a regular student, nor was his HS rank. On those counts, he can only dream of going to Stanford.
Are you happy now?
Or do you want some more?